Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:36 pm
Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:49 pm
Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:55 pm
Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:39 pm
Sloper Road wrote:Not there biggest mistake. That surely is making to many changes to the starting 11 from last season and changing the team around week after week. They did seem to be a better team last year even though it's being judged on a lower standard . Having said that it would be a mistake to right them totally off yet.
I will be controversial now and say whilst he makes great stopping saves, his all round display as a premier league goalkeeper needs a lot to be desired. We just lose momentum on both counter attack and ball retention most of the time he gets the ball. It's either too slow in passing to a defender or kicked out of play or straight to an opposing player. It could be debated that our defenders are not comfortable receiving a quick ball from the keeper but it's a rarity he ever tries. It's one of the main reasons why we have low possession stats.(not the only reason)'and slow build up play, if we do stay up he needs to improve that side of his game or alltough it might seem harsh we will have a keeper who can.
Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:44 pm
Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:57 pm
Sloper Road wrote:Not there biggest mistake. That surely is making to many changes to the starting 11 from last season and changing the team around week after week. They did seem to be a better team last year even though it's being judged on a lower standard . Having said that it would be a mistake to right them totally off yet.
I will be controversial now and say whilst he makes great stopping saves, his all round display as a premier league goalkeeper needs a lot to be desired. We just lose momentum on both counter attack and ball retention most of the time he gets the ball. It's either too slow in passing to a defender or kicked out of play or straight to an opposing player. It could be debated that our defenders are not comfortable receiving a quick ball from the keeper but it's a rarity he ever tries. It's one of the main reasons why we have low possession stats.(not the only reason)'and slow build up play, if we do stay up he needs to improve that side of his game or alltough it might seem harsh we will have a keeper who can.
Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:35 pm
Sloper Road wrote:Not there biggest mistake. That surely is making to many changes to the starting 11 from last season and changing the team around week after week. They did seem to be a better team last year even though it's being judged on a lower standard . Having said that it would be a mistake to right them totally off yet.
I will be controversial now and say whilst he makes great stopping saves, his all round display as a premier league goalkeeper needs a lot to be desired. We just lose momentum on both counter attack and ball retention most of the time he gets the ball. It's either too slow in passing to a defender or kicked out of play or straight to an opposing player. It could be debated that our defenders are not comfortable receiving a quick ball from the keeper but it's a rarity he ever tries. It's one of the main reasons why we have low possession stats.(not the only reason)'and slow build up play, if we do stay up he needs to improve that side of his game or alltough it might seem harsh we will have a keeper who can.
Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:40 pm
Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:42 pm
OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:Sloper Road wrote:Not there biggest mistake. That surely is making to many changes to the starting 11 from last season and changing the team around week after week. They did seem to be a better team last year even though it's being judged on a lower standard . Having said that it would be a mistake to right them totally off yet.
I will be controversial now and say whilst he makes great stopping saves, his all round display as a premier league goalkeeper needs a lot to be desired. We just lose momentum on both counter attack and ball retention most of the time he gets the ball. It's either too slow in passing to a defender or kicked out of play or straight to an opposing player. It could be debated that our defenders are not comfortable receiving a quick ball from the keeper but it's a rarity he ever tries. It's one of the main reasons why we have low possession stats.(not the only reason)'and slow build up play, if we do stay up he needs to improve that side of his game or alltough it might seem harsh we will have a keeper who can.
I think you’re completely wrong on that.
He plays to the managers instructions 100% and that’s why he rarely plays the ball out short. It’s also why he usually keeps hold of the ball until our target man gets into position.
Of course his distribution, as everyone knows, is his weakest point but I don’t think he can be faulted this season.
Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:56 pm
Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:06 pm
Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:05 am
Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:20 am
Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:01 pm
dogfound wrote:Sloper Road wrote:Not there biggest mistake. That surely is making to many changes to the starting 11 from last season and changing the team around week after week. They did seem to be a better team last year even though it's being judged on a lower standard . Having said that it would be a mistake to right them totally off yet.
I will be controversial now and say whilst he makes great stopping saves, his all round display as a premier league goalkeeper needs a lot to be desired. We just lose momentum on both counter attack and ball retention most of the time he gets the ball. It's either too slow in passing to a defender or kicked out of play or straight to an opposing player. It could be debated that our defenders are not comfortable receiving a quick ball from the keeper but it's a rarity he ever tries. It's one of the main reasons why we have low possession stats.(not the only reason)'and slow build up play, if we do stay up he needs to improve that side of his game or alltough it might seem harsh we will have a keeper who can.
and its not crossed your mind that when a keeper comes to a club and immediately goes long and continues to for 2 years it maybe under instructions.?
Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:29 pm
Sloper Road wrote:dogfound wrote:Sloper Road wrote:Not there biggest mistake. That surely is making to many changes to the starting 11 from last season and changing the team around week after week. They did seem to be a better team last year even though it's being judged on a lower standard . Having said that it would be a mistake to right them totally off yet.
I will be controversial now and say whilst he makes great stopping saves, his all round display as a premier league goalkeeper needs a lot to be desired. We just lose momentum on both counter attack and ball retention most of the time he gets the ball. It's either too slow in passing to a defender or kicked out of play or straight to an opposing player. It could be debated that our defenders are not comfortable receiving a quick ball from the keeper but it's a rarity he ever tries. It's one of the main reasons why we have low possession stats.(not the only reason)'and slow build up play, if we do stay up he needs to improve that side of his game or alltough it might seem harsh we will have a keeper who can.
and its not crossed your mind that when a keeper comes to a club and immediately goes long and continues to for 2 years it maybe under instructions.?
Instructions to blast into touch?
I'm not saying he can't pass the ball out I'm saying once we have better ball playing defenders then he will be expected to pass the ball out,time will tell if he can on that one.
Also yes his primary role is to keep the ball out of the net but the better managers with better players do expect the goalkeeper to have ball passing skills. It's how they keep possession and start attacks. Obviously it's not Warnock's way but if we are to improve and stay in division for years to come that's how it's going to be after this season.
Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:04 pm
Sloper Road wrote:dogfound wrote:Sloper Road wrote:Not there biggest mistake. That surely is making to many changes to the starting 11 from last season and changing the team around week after week. They did seem to be a better team last year even though it's being judged on a lower standard . Having said that it would be a mistake to right them totally off yet.
I will be controversial now and say whilst he makes great stopping saves, his all round display as a premier league goalkeeper needs a lot to be desired. We just lose momentum on both counter attack and ball retention most of the time he gets the ball. It's either too slow in passing to a defender or kicked out of play or straight to an opposing player. It could be debated that our defenders are not comfortable receiving a quick ball from the keeper but it's a rarity he ever tries. It's one of the main reasons why we have low possession stats.(not the only reason)'and slow build up play, if we do stay up he needs to improve that side of his game or alltough it might seem harsh we will have a keeper who can.
and its not crossed your mind that when a keeper comes to a club and immediately goes long and continues to for 2 years it maybe under instructions.?
Instructions to blast into touch?
I'm not saying he can't pass the ball out I'm saying once we have better ball playing defenders then he will be expected to pass the ball out,time will tell if he can on that one.
Also yes his primary role is to keep the ball out of the net but the better managers with better players do expect the goalkeeper to have ball passing skills. It's how they keep possession and start attacks. Obviously it's not Warnock's way but if we are to improve and stay in division for years to come that's how it's going to be after this season.
Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:27 pm