Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:06 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Perhaps the answer is that she and every similar person be prosecuted if they return to the U.K.
Perhaps a new offence should be enacted to specifically cover such acts with a minimum penalty of 5O years without early release . This might discourage them from coming back.
Best of luck with that idea it would have no chance in our 'Human Rights' obsessed Parliament and Appeal Courts, not to mention the fortune greedy Lawyers would make out of fighting it.
Also it wouldn't have any affect on Shamima Begum as laws are generally not retrospective and any attempt to do so would again mean greedy lawyers making a fortune out of stopping it.
Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:31 am
Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:42 am
Lengee wrote:IMHO the girl should not be allowed back into the UK.
But it is really a legal question around British citizenship, hopefully they can avoid letting her back in.
Unfortunately, some posters like Sir Jimmy take one issue and try to bring in comments about other issues such as Brexit, and Welsh and British nationality.
Taking an element of truth and twisting and stretching it is adding inaccurate facts is dangerous and misleasing. Telling other people ( Tony Blue, Bananas etc)t that they are racist and that they've "been completely conned by revisionist history aimed at identity politics and dividing the British people to rule them. ". is,of course,very condescending and utter tosh. everyone is entitled to an opinion. On the other hand the same person is first to be offended if others accuse him of being misled/ conned by the Brext leave campaign.
Obviously there was a big influx of English and other nationalities during the industrial revolution, but if someone comes to Wales and lives here and feels Welsh joins in the community and hopefully learns Welsh then that is what they are. Whether they have an English, Pakistani, Roumanian or whatever.
Wales is my country of birth And I do not take kindly to people trying to diminish it at every opportunity e.g. "And while we're at it, the language we call Welsh isn't actually specific to Wales either." Like French English Spanish etc And the point is? ? Surprisingly French people call their language French, English - English. Etc
I live in a Welsh yet quite often English people will come to live here and object to their kids being taught in Welsh and the language being spoken in shops etc. Welsh is the oldest living language in Europe but the facts that it was and is spoken in other countries somehow gives it less status it to this poster there's nothing distinct or unique it Wales in terms of genetics , language or history really".
ssentially is a question of an identity with where you live, it is feeling in your soul that you are Welsh. IfSir Jimmy Schouler
Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:55 am
Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:58 am
Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:08 pm
Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:25 pm
rumpo kid wrote:Actually, its Bananas who keeps bringing up the Welsh/English thing - he spoils nearly every post he's on.
Maybe the Home Secretary will have the decency to make her stateless. I doubt it tho'.
Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:05 pm
Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:29 pm
pembroke allan wrote:rumpo kid wrote:Actually, its Bananas who keeps bringing up the Welsh/English thing - he spoils nearly every post he's on.
Maybe the Home Secretary will have the decency to make her stateless. I doubt it tho'.
Cannot under international law make someone stateless if hold a passport for a country! At some point she will return but hopefully gvnmt will stick to its word and not help her in any way to return.
Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:35 pm
Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:12 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:pembroke allan wrote:rumpo kid wrote:Actually, its Bananas who keeps bringing up the Welsh/English thing - he spoils nearly every post he's on.
Maybe the Home Secretary will have the decency to make her stateless. I doubt it tho'.
Cannot under international law make someone stateless if hold a passport for a country! At some point she will return but hopefully gvnmt will stick to its word and not help her in any way to return.
You are correct but there is a way around the problem as she could be encouraged to apply for Bangladeshi Citizenship (she would qualify as both her parents are from Bangladesh) and then we could legally strip her of British Citizenship.
Seeing as she hates the western lifestyle so much you would think she would be happy to go and live in a Muslim country and that way we would all be happy
Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:46 am
Lengee wrote:Sir Jimmy Schoular you have once again misquoted what someone else has said. This time myself. I.e.
" You seem to be saying that you don't like these facts and prefer an alternative reality in which Wales is a formerly sovereign nation which has somehow been subjugated by people who are exactly the same as you but were born a few miles away. "
Have another look at my post because at no place have I said such things.
In fact you have just proved what Tony Blue Williams said about your habit of changing topics and going off at tangents to be totally correct
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Anyway that's it from me, so no need for a long winded reply. I have no wish to pursue this discussion any further.
Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:32 am
Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:44 am
Lengee wrote:IMHO the girl should not be allowed back into the UK.
But it is really a legal question around British citizenship, hopefully they can avoid letting her back in.
Unfortunately, some posters like Sir Jimmy take one issue and try to bring in comments about other issues such as Brexit, and Welsh and British nationality.
Taking an element of truth and twisting and stretching it is adding inaccurate facts is dangerous and misleasing. Telling other people ( Tony Blue, Bananas etc)t that they are racist and that they've "been completely conned by revisionist history aimed at identity politics and dividing the British people to rule them. ". is,of course,very condescending and utter tosh. everyone is entitled to an opinion. On the other hand the same person is first to be offended if others accuse him of being misled/ conned by the Brext leave campaign.
Obviously there was a big influx of English and other nationalities during the industrial revolution, but if someone comes to Wales and lives here and feels Welsh joins in the community and hopefully learns Welsh then that is what they are. Whether they have an English, Pakistani, Roumanian or whatever.
Wales is my country of birth And I do not take kindly to people trying to diminish it at every opportunity e.g. "And while we're at it, the language we call Welsh isn't actually specific to Wales either." Like French English Spanish etc And the point is? ? Surprisingly French people call their language French, English - English. Etc
I live in a Welsh yet quite often English people will come to live here and object to their kids being taught in Welsh and the language being spoken in shops etc. Welsh is the oldest living language in Europe but the facts that it was and is spoken in other countries somehow gives it less status it to this poster there's nothing distinct or unique it Wales in terms of genetics , language or history really".
ssentially is a question of an identity with where you live, it is feeling in your soul that you are Welsh. IfSir Jimmy Schouler
Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:28 am
SirJimmySchoular wrote:Lengee wrote:Sir Jimmy Schoular you have once again misquoted what someone else has said. This time myself. I.e.
" You seem to be saying that you don't like these facts and prefer an alternative reality in which Wales is a formerly sovereign nation which has somehow been subjugated by people who are exactly the same as you but were born a few miles away. "
Have another look at my post because at no place have I said such things.
In fact you have just proved what Tony Blue Williams said about your habit of changing topics and going off at tangents to be totally correct
the
Anyway that's it from me, so no need for a long winded reply. I have no wish to pursue this discussion any further.
It wasn't a quote, it was a synopsis - otherwise I'd have used quote marks . Of course no one wants to pursue a discussion when they're losing so I'll respect your towel throwing and go to a neutral corner. You're right that we shouldn't hyjack this thread with it , but of course it was you who interceded into the discussion when I thought it was ended .
Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:36 am
Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:01 am
Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:42 am
Lengee wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Lengee wrote:Sir Jimmy Schoular you have once again misquoted what someone else has said. This time myself. I.e.
" You seem to be saying that you don't like these facts and prefer an alternative reality in which Wales is a formerly sovereign nation which has somehow been subjugated by people who are exactly the same as you but were born a few miles away. "
Have another look at my post because at no place have I said such things.
In fact you have just proved what Tony Blue Williams said about your habit of changing topics and going off at tangents to be totally correct
the
Anyway that's it from me, so no need for a long winded reply. I have no wish to pursue this discussion any further.
It wasn't a quote, it was a synopsis - otherwise I'd have used quote marks . Of course no one wants to pursue a discussion when they're losing so I'll respect your towel throwing and go to a neutral corner. You're right that we shouldn't hyjack this thread with it , but of course it was you who interceded into the discussion when I thought it was ended .
You've done it again. I have not thrown in any towel, I have merely decided that discussing this with you is pointless! There is some famous saying about having the courage to try to change what you can, and the serenity to accept that which you cannot.
I can sometimes be persuaded that I am wrong. It's one of the reasons I enjoy listening to a good debate. You appear to be someone who thinks that they are always right.
One final thought......
"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's own ignorance" Confucious
Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:22 pm
Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:19 pm
Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:40 pm
Jimmy Scoular wrote:Piece of human rubbish,also her father should be deported and if she returns should be tried for treason.Give her to the Syrian authorities I am certain they would know how to deal with her scumbag slag.
Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:59 pm
Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:44 am
RageJon wrote:800 captured by the US and trump wants the countries to take them back and put them on trial or they will be released !!
Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:54 am
Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:58 am
Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:03 am
Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:11 am
Bananas wrote:All signed!!
Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:51 am
SirJimmySchoular wrote:RageJon wrote:800 captured by the US and trump wants the countries to take them back and put them on trial or they will be released !!
And...
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:34 am
Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:14 am
pembroke allan wrote:Now playing shes damaged and mental health card! Using every trick in the book to gain symaphy now.