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ccfcsince1962 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:The 10 key questions Cardiff want answered before paying Emiliano Sala transfer fee
Daily Mirror
Monday 18th February 2019
Cardiff have reportedly called on police and football’s governing bodies to investigate the £15million transfer of Emiliano Sala - and want French club Nantes to come clean over the deal.
It emerged this weekend that the Premier League club are ready to sue agent Willie McKay after he admitted inflating Sala's transfer fee.
Cardiff want police to investigate the deal, while also calling on FIFA and the FA to launch their own probes into the circumstances surrounding the transfer.
It’s also reported that Cardiff have written to Nantes with 10 questions they want answered before they consider paying the French club the transfer fee.
The club are yet to make the initial payment to Nantes as they look to gather all of the facts behind the deal, and among the questions they want answered are:
Was Sala a Nantes player when he stepped on to the fatal flight?
Who arranged the flight and why did that person put him on a single-engine plane at night in difficult conditions, without adequate emergency apparatus?
Who took the decision to put Sala on the plane?
Why won’t the owner of the aircraft come forward?
Was the plane licenced to take commercial passengers?
Was pilot David Ibbotson in possession of a licence to carry passengers?
Was Sala third-party owned?
Are Sala’s previous club Bordeaux due 50 per cent of the transfer fee as part of a sell-on clause negotiated when he moved to Nantes in 2015?
What was transfer broker Willie McKay’s cut?
Was McKay’s commission, or part of the transfer fee, due to be split between other parties involved in the deal and, if so, to who?
The 28-year-old had returned to France to say farewell to his former Nantes teammates.
Sala’s funeral took place in his native Argentina over the weekend, with Cardiff manager Neil Warnock among those who attended.
Annis
I have no inside knowledge of whether the Mirror`s claimed list of questions are accurate. However , a number of them seem to be relevant to various future investigations and whether the contract deal with FC Nantes was bona fide. For example
1. Why were Nantes using an intermediary who was not authorised to act as one (Willie McKay) by any football authority? Easy to check as there are published lists of them.
2. Were Nantes aware of the fact that Willie McKay is under a Bankruptcy Restriction Undertaking lasting until at least August 2023 because of his previous bankruptcy conduct? If , so refer back to question1. above. If not , why not? This is important as his creditors in his bankruptcy might be interested to learn what income he was due to earn from the deal.
3. Was Emiliano Sala`s own agent (who is not either of the McKays) aware that someone else was "interfering" in his deal by making flight arrangements etc? If so , why was he allowing an unauthorised intermediary to get involved.
4. Did Willie McKay tell Nantes that he could inflate the transfer fee Cardiff would pay by falsely claiming other Premier League club`s were due to submit offers (hence CCFC`s letter to those clubs seeking the true position)? He is already quoted as telling ES that was his strategy.
The whole thing is a mess which CCFC as a club have effectively been forced to deal with in a formal legal manner when I am sure they would rather not as they have conducted themselves admirably and with great dignity throughout the tragedy.
The story will not go away anytime soon , but I am convinced that when all necessary investigations and legal actions are finalised , the club will be able to clearly demonstrate that it is other parties , not them , that have been the wrongdoers in all this.
In the meantime , all we can do as fans is to continue to support the team on the pitch in its battle against relegation in the same fantastic way that has happened so far this season so that whoever is in charge of the team next season does so as a Premier League team with a bright future.
Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:05 pm
ccfcsince1962 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:The 10 key questions Cardiff want answered before paying Emiliano Sala transfer fee
Daily Mirror
Monday 18th February 2019
Cardiff have reportedly called on police and football’s governing bodies to investigate the £15million transfer of Emiliano Sala - and want French club Nantes to come clean over the deal.
It emerged this weekend that the Premier League club are ready to sue agent Willie McKay after he admitted inflating Sala's transfer fee.
Cardiff want police to investigate the deal, while also calling on FIFA and the FA to launch their own probes into the circumstances surrounding the transfer.
It’s also reported that Cardiff have written to Nantes with 10 questions they want answered before they consider paying the French club the transfer fee.
The club are yet to make the initial payment to Nantes as they look to gather all of the facts behind the deal, and among the questions they want answered are:
Was Sala a Nantes player when he stepped on to the fatal flight?
Who arranged the flight and why did that person put him on a single-engine plane at night in difficult conditions, without adequate emergency apparatus?
Who took the decision to put Sala on the plane?
Why won’t the owner of the aircraft come forward?
Was the plane licenced to take commercial passengers?
Was pilot David Ibbotson in possession of a licence to carry passengers?
Was Sala third-party owned?
Are Sala’s previous club Bordeaux due 50 per cent of the transfer fee as part of a sell-on clause negotiated when he moved to Nantes in 2015?
What was transfer broker Willie McKay’s cut?
Was McKay’s commission, or part of the transfer fee, due to be split between other parties involved in the deal and, if so, to who?
The 28-year-old had returned to France to say farewell to his former Nantes teammates.
Sala’s funeral took place in his native Argentina over the weekend, with Cardiff manager Neil Warnock among those who attended.
Annis
I have no inside knowledge of whether the Mirror`s claimed list of questions are accurate. However , a number of them seem to be relevant to various future investigations and whether the contract deal with FC Nantes was bona fide. For example
1. Why were Nantes using an intermediary who was not authorised to act as one (Willie McKay) by any football authority? Easy to check as there are published lists of them.
2. Were Nantes aware of the fact that Willie McKay is under a Bankruptcy Restriction Undertaking lasting until at least August 2023 because of his previous bankruptcy conduct? If , so refer back to question1. above. If not , why not? This is important as his creditors in his bankruptcy might be interested to learn what income he was due to earn from the deal.
3. Was Emiliano Sala`s own agent (who is not either of the McKays) aware that someone else was "interfering" in his deal by making flight arrangements etc? If so , why was he allowing an unauthorised intermediary to get involved.
4. Did Willie McKay tell Nantes that he could inflate the transfer fee Cardiff would pay by falsely claiming other Premier League club`s were due to submit offers (hence CCFC`s letter to those clubs seeking the true position)? He is already quoted as telling ES that was his strategy.
The whole thing is a mess which CCFC as a club have effectively been forced to deal with in a formal legal manner when I am sure they would rather not as they have conducted themselves admirably and with great dignity throughout the tragedy.
The story will not go away anytime soon , but I am convinced that when all necessary investigations and legal actions are finalised , the club will be able to clearly demonstrate that it is other parties , not them , that have been the wrongdoers in all this.
In the meantime , all we can do as fans is to continue to support the team on the pitch in its battle against relegation in the same fantastic way that has happened so far this season so that whoever is in charge of the team next season does so as a Premier League team with a bright future.
Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:36 pm
Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:49 pm
Forever Blue wrote:The 10 key questions Cardiff want answered before paying Emiliano Sala transfer fee
Daily Mirror
Monday 18th February 2019
Cardiff have reportedly called on police and football’s governing bodies to investigate the £15million transfer of Emiliano Sala - and want French club Nantes to come clean over the deal.
It emerged this weekend that the Premier League club are ready to sue agent Willie McKay after he admitted inflating Sala's transfer fee.
Cardiff want police to investigate the deal, while also calling on FIFA and the FA to launch their own probes into the circumstances surrounding the transfer.
It’s also reported that Cardiff have written to Nantes with 10 questions they want answered before they consider paying the French club the transfer fee.
The club are yet to make the initial payment to Nantes as they look to gather all of the facts behind the deal, and among the questions they want answered are:
Was Sala a Nantes player when he stepped on to the fatal flight?
Who arranged the flight and why did that person put him on a single-engine plane at night in difficult conditions, without adequate emergency apparatus?
Who took the decision to put Sala on the plane?
Why won’t the owner of the aircraft come forward?
Was the plane licenced to take commercial passengers?
Was pilot David Ibbotson in possession of a licence to carry passengers?
Was Sala third-party owned?
Are Sala’s previous club Bordeaux due 50 per cent of the transfer fee as part of a sell-on clause negotiated when he moved to Nantes in 2015?
What was transfer broker Willie McKay’s cut?
Was McKay’s commission, or part of the transfer fee, due to be split between other parties involved in the deal and, if so, to who?
The 28-year-old had returned to France to say farewell to his former Nantes teammates.
Sala’s funeral took place in his native Argentina over the weekend, with Cardiff manager Neil Warnock among those who attended.
Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:52 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:Months would be optimistic .
I doubt that the Mirror's version of the questions are accurate because I could personally think of much better and more substantive ones to wriggle out of it, and it's not my speciality. What's more , I'm sure that even accounting for dumbing down , any lawyer would ask " to whom " rather than "to who ".
Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:00 pm
wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:The 10 key questions Cardiff want answered before paying Emiliano Sala transfer fee
Daily Mirror
Monday 18th February 2019
Cardiff have reportedly called on police and football’s governing bodies to investigate the £15million transfer of Emiliano Sala - and want French club Nantes to come clean over the deal.
It emerged this weekend that the Premier League club are ready to sue agent Willie McKay after he admitted inflating Sala's transfer fee.
Cardiff want police to investigate the deal, while also calling on FIFA and the FA to launch their own probes into the circumstances surrounding the transfer.
It’s also reported that Cardiff have written to Nantes with 10 questions they want answered before they consider paying the French club the transfer fee.
The club are yet to make the initial payment to Nantes as they look to gather all of the facts behind the deal, and among the questions they want answered are:
Was Sala a Nantes player when he stepped on to the fatal flight?
Who arranged the flight and why did that person put him on a single-engine plane at night in difficult conditions, without adequate emergency apparatus?
Who took the decision to put Sala on the plane?
Why won’t the owner of the aircraft come forward?
Was the plane licenced to take commercial passengers?
Was pilot David Ibbotson in possession of a licence to carry passengers?
Was Sala third-party owned?
Are Sala’s previous club Bordeaux due 50 per cent of the transfer fee as part of a sell-on clause negotiated when he moved to Nantes in 2015?
What was transfer broker Willie McKay’s cut?
Was McKay’s commission, or part of the transfer fee, due to be split between other parties involved in the deal and, if so, to who?
The 28-year-old had returned to France to say farewell to his former Nantes teammates.
Sala’s funeral took place in his native Argentina over the weekend, with Cardiff manager Neil Warnock among those who attended.
Sounds like cardiff have found something dodgy they Probably know the answers but are demanding it in writing
Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:05 pm
oohahhPaulMillar wrote:ccfcsince1962 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:The 10 key questions Cardiff want answered before paying Emiliano Sala transfer fee
Daily Mirror
Monday 18th February 2019
Cardiff have reportedly called on police and football’s governing bodies to investigate the £15million transfer of Emiliano Sala - and want French club Nantes to come clean over the deal.
It emerged this weekend that the Premier League club are ready to sue agent Willie McKay after he admitted inflating Sala's transfer fee.
Cardiff want police to investigate the deal, while also calling on FIFA and the FA to launch their own probes into the circumstances surrounding the transfer.
It’s also reported that Cardiff have written to Nantes with 10 questions they want answered before they consider paying the French club the transfer fee.
The club are yet to make the initial payment to Nantes as they look to gather all of the facts behind the deal, and among the questions they want answered are:
Was Sala a Nantes player when he stepped on to the fatal flight?
Who arranged the flight and why did that person put him on a single-engine plane at night in difficult conditions, without adequate emergency apparatus?
Who took the decision to put Sala on the plane?
Why won’t the owner of the aircraft come forward?
Was the plane licenced to take commercial passengers?
Was pilot David Ibbotson in possession of a licence to carry passengers?
Was Sala third-party owned?
Are Sala’s previous club Bordeaux due 50 per cent of the transfer fee as part of a sell-on clause negotiated when he moved to Nantes in 2015?
What was transfer broker Willie McKay’s cut?
Was McKay’s commission, or part of the transfer fee, due to be split between other parties involved in the deal and, if so, to who?
The 28-year-old had returned to France to say farewell to his former Nantes teammates.
Sala’s funeral took place in his native Argentina over the weekend, with Cardiff manager Neil Warnock among those who attended.
Annis
I have no inside knowledge of whether the Mirror`s claimed list of questions are accurate. However , a number of them seem to be relevant to various future investigations and whether the contract deal with FC Nantes was bona fide. For example
1. Why were Nantes using an intermediary who was not authorised to act as one (Willie McKay) by any football authority? Easy to check as there are published lists of them.
2. Were Nantes aware of the fact that Willie McKay is under a Bankruptcy Restriction Undertaking lasting until at least August 2023 because of his previous bankruptcy conduct? If , so refer back to question1. above. If not , why not? This is important as his creditors in his bankruptcy might be interested to learn what income he was due to earn from the deal.
3. Was Emiliano Sala`s own agent (who is not either of the McKays) aware that someone else was "interfering" in his deal by making flight arrangements etc? If so , why was he allowing an unauthorised intermediary to get involved.
4. Did Willie McKay tell Nantes that he could inflate the transfer fee Cardiff would pay by falsely claiming other Premier League club`s were due to submit offers (hence CCFC`s letter to those clubs seeking the true position)? He is already quoted as telling ES that was his strategy.
The whole thing is a mess which CCFC as a club have effectively been forced to deal with in a formal legal manner when I am sure they would rather not as they have conducted themselves admirably and with great dignity throughout the tragedy.
The story will not go away anytime soon , but I am convinced that when all necessary investigations and legal actions are finalised , the club will be able to clearly demonstrate that it is other parties , not them , that have been the wrongdoers in all this.
In the meantime , all we can do as fans is to continue to support the team on the pitch in its battle against relegation in the same fantastic way that has happened so far this season so that whoever is in charge of the team next season does so as a Premier League team with a bright future.
Most transfer dealings involving European clubs especially if the player is South American or African appear to be at best “very complicated to complete”
I think that is why Warnock, Dalman and Choo all seemed exasperated at times trying to get deals done in January
This saga is unfortunately looking like it may drag on for months..and who can blame the club with so much money at stake
Best to leave it to the lawyers and proper authorities to sort it
Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:17 pm
dogfound wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Months would be optimistic .
I doubt that the Mirror's version of the questions are accurate because I could personally think of much better and more substantive ones to wriggle out of it, and it's not my speciality. What's more , I'm sure that even accounting for dumbing down , any lawyer would ask " to whom " rather than "to who ".
I agree.
2 questions regarding commercial flight , but before you get to those questions you have to establish { not think } it was commercial.
the texts between Mckays son and Sala present it as a favour to Sala..be extremely surprised if Mckay attempted to bill our club even if that was his intention .so not sure where any evidence of it being a commercial flight will come from.
bit surprised the owner of the plane has yet to be tracked down too.the fact its not in the public domain { the morror do not know } does not mean the AAIB do not know.
Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:21 pm
castleblue wrote:It's the answer to question number 1 that interests me the most because it continues this "Theme" of Cardiff City not being sure that the FA/ PL had concluded the registration process. It's the "Subject To International Clearance" aspect of this transfer again and if the International Transfer Certificate had not been received by the FA, FAW and FIFA then Emiliano Sala was a Nantes player at the time he stepped on that plane and not a Cardiff City player as the transfer had not been concluded.
The rest of it relating to who was getting a cut makes my flesh creep and I think most football fans will be saddened that it has taken the tragic loss of Emiliano Sala to highlight the "Seedy" side of the transfer process.
Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:52 pm
Bluebina wrote:dogfound wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Months would be optimistic .
I doubt that the Mirror's version of the questions are accurate because I could personally think of much better and more substantive ones to wriggle out of it, and it's not my speciality. What's more , I'm sure that even accounting for dumbing down , any lawyer would ask " to whom " rather than "to who ".
I agree.
2 questions regarding commercial flight , but before you get to those questions you have to establish { not think } it was commercial.
the texts between Mckays son and Sala present it as a favour to Sala..be extremely surprised if Mckay attempted to bill our club even if that was his intention .so not sure where any evidence of it being a commercial flight will come from.
bit surprised the owner of the plane has yet to be tracked down too.the fact its not in the public domain { the morror do not know } does not mean the AAIB do not know.
Number six will have follow on questions, was the trip for fun or financial reward, this could go on forever, even if one set of questions are ever answered outside court, it will lead to many more questions.
Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:07 pm
dogfound wrote:Bluebina wrote:dogfound wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Months would be optimistic .
I doubt that the Mirror's version of the questions are accurate because I could personally think of much better and more substantive ones to wriggle out of it, and it's not my speciality. What's more , I'm sure that even accounting for dumbing down , any lawyer would ask " to whom " rather than "to who ".
I agree.
2 questions regarding commercial flight , but before you get to those questions you have to establish { not think } it was commercial.
the texts between Mckays son and Sala present it as a favour to Sala..be extremely surprised if Mckay attempted to bill our club even if that was his intention .so not sure where any evidence of it being a commercial flight will come from.
bit surprised the owner of the plane has yet to be tracked down too.the fact its not in the public domain { the morror do not know } does not mean the AAIB do not know.
Number six will have follow on questions, was the trip for fun or financial reward, this could go on forever, even if one set of questions are ever answered outside court, it will lead to many more questions.
yes .. but the commercial flight questions are totally irrelevant unless it was a commercial flight.
Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:28 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:castleblue wrote:It's the answer to question number 1 that interests me the most because it continues this "Theme" of Cardiff City not being sure that the FA/ PL had concluded the registration process. It's the "Subject To International Clearance" aspect of this transfer again and if the International Transfer Certificate had not been received by the FA, FAW and FIFA then Emiliano Sala was a Nantes player at the time he stepped on that plane and not a Cardiff City player as the transfer had not been concluded.
The rest of it relating to who was getting a cut makes my flesh creep and I think most football fans will be saddened that it has taken the tragic loss of Emiliano Sala to highlight the "Seedy" side of the transfer process.
Do you remember Jermaine Darlington and his transfer from Cardiff City to AFC Wimbledon?
From what I remember he was registered to play for AFC Wimbledon but the Dons didn't realise they needed International Clearance as he came from a Welsh club. AFC were deducted points, were banned from Cup competitions and had to repay prize money for playing an illegible player.
So taking on your point ES could have been registered as a Cardiff player with the PL but that would have only been part of the ownership process. Until International Clearance was obtained technically he was probably still a Nantes player.
Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:29 pm