Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:47 am
bluesince62 wrote:And I thought the virus had gone you know nothing more than most common folk,stop pretending you do,to get you're attention fix,you so obviously crave let me say something I know for definite, the inventors of a certain sport,blew a 31 point advantage today and the littlest nation (you know who we are )recorded a grand slam(again)
Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:28 am
Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:55 am
bluesince62 wrote:And I thought the virus had gone you know nothing more than most common folk,stop pretending you do,to get you're attention fix,you so obviously crave let me say something I know for definite, the inventors of a certain sport,blew a 31 point advantage today and the littlest nation (you know who we are )recorded a grand slam(again)
Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:05 am
nins27 wrote:Daya do u wake up in the morning and read the shit u post when u are pissed and think what a prick I am. Probably not as u no u are a first class ptick
Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:08 am
since64 wrote:bluesince62 wrote:And I thought the virus had gone you know nothing more than most common folk,stop pretending you do,to get you're attention fix,you so obviously crave let me say something I know for definite, the inventors of a certain sport,blew a 31 point advantage today and the littlest nation (you know who we are )recorded a grand slam(again)
What relevance has this got to this thread take this comment somewhere else
Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:36 am
Daya wrote:nins27 wrote:Daya do u wake up in the morning and read the shit u post when u are pissed and think what a prick I am. Probably not as u no u are a first class ptick[/quote
Phillip, try stringing a decent sentence together firstly if you wish to enter a debate. Same time try some education lessons and then come back and make comments on posts you may understand.
Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:04 am
nins27 wrote:Daya wrote:nins27 wrote:Daya do u wake up in the morning and read the shit u post when u are pissed and think what a prick I am. Probably not as u no u are a first class ptick[/quote
Phillip, try stringing a decent sentence together firstly if you wish to enter a debate. Same time try some education lessons and then come back and make comments on posts you may understand.
Thing is I suffer with dyslexia so I try my best Days to put over My point . U might have good grama buy u talk a lot off shit .
Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:23 am
Daya wrote:nins27 wrote:Daya wrote:nins27 wrote:Daya do u wake up in the morning and read the shit u post when u are pissed and think what a prick I am. Probably not as u no u are a first class ptick[/quote
Phillip, try stringing a decent sentence together firstly if you wish to enter a debate. Same time try some education lessons and then come back and make comments on posts you may understand.
Thing is I suffer with dyslexia so I try my best Days to put over My point . U might have good grama buy u talk a lot off shit .
Nothing to be ashamed of some of the greatest are dyslexic including my own daughter so thank you for the explantation. Although your grammar looks word perfect on your Facebook page and profile, so maybe you take more time on there instead of ranting?
As for your viewpoint you are entitled to your opinion.
Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:06 pm
nins27 wrote:Daya wrote:nins27 wrote:Daya wrote:nins27 wrote:Daya do u wake up in the morning and read the shit u post when u are pissed and think what a prick I am. Probably not as u no u are a first class ptick[/quote
Phillip, try stringing a decent sentence together firstly if you wish to enter a debate. Same time try some education lessons and then come back and make comments on posts you may understand.
Thing is I suffer with dyslexia so I try my best Days to put over My point . U might have good grama buy u talk a lot off shit .
Nothing to be ashamed of some of the greatest are dyslexic including my own daughter so thank you for the explantation. Although your grammar looks word perfect on your Facebook page and profile, so maybe you take more time on there instead of ranting?
As for your viewpoint you are entitled to your opinion.
I wasn't taking the piss far from it, I questioned your actual statements to which quite frankly were bollocks however spelt.
IV not said I'm s shamed I was pointing out to you because u was taking the piss out of me with out knowing that I'm dyslexic but u would not have none that , that's one thing I hate on this site op taking the piss out of others because of grama or spelling with out nowing the facts
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Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:34 pm
JulesK wrote:Why oh why are you answering this clown? It's just ammunition for him to keep peddling his trash.
PS. Don't bother replying Days as your ' I have been here longer than you ' bull doesn't wash so get back to your Iron's playground.
Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:32 pm
nins27 wrote:JulesK wrote:Why oh why are you answering this clown? It's just ammunition for him to keep peddling his trash.
PS. Don't bother replying Days as your ' I have been here longer than you ' bull doesn't wash so get back to your Iron's playground.
Yes u are so true about feeding the troll
Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:34 pm
JulesK wrote:Why oh why are you answering this clown? It's just ammunition for him to keep peddling his trash.
PS. Don't bother replying Days as your ' I have been here longer than you ' bull doesn't wash so get back to your Iron's playground.
Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:55 pm
Daya wrote:since64 wrote:bluesince62 wrote:And I thought the virus had gone you know nothing more than most common folk,stop pretending you do,to get you're attention fix,you so obviously crave let me say something I know for definite, the inventors of a certain sport,blew a 31 point advantage today and the littlest nation (you know who we are )recorded a grand slam(again)
What relevance has this got to this thread take this comment somewhere else
Couldn't agree more, rumour has it he has a drink problem and judging by his post he was pissed as a fart whilst typing it and following egg chasing all day!
Bloody piss heads, although I bet he puts it down to Hi Jinx
Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:39 am
castleblue wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:castleblue wrote:
Whatever the reason why this transfer was not completed, and I still believe it surrounds the ITC not being issued, before the tragic death of Emiliano Sala it is going to become increasingly difficult for the club to maintain this "Not Contractually Obliged" to make payment for the player because you only have to ask one question. Why was Emiliano Sala on that plane?
The answer is simple it was because Cardiff City and Nantes FC had agreed a fee for the transfer of the player and the player himself had agreed terms with Cardiff City. Therein lies the "Moral Obligation" and I believe eventually both clubs will come to an agreement about who pays what and if they cannot reach agreement then either FIFA or the CAS will make the decision.
Having said that I still believe that Cardiff City are not the bad guys in all this because it is clear that the club had attempted to arrange a commercial flight for the player but "He" decided to go with the flight offered by the agent acting on behalf of Nantes FC.We now know that whilst the plane used was capable of making the flight the pilot was not trained to make the flight and did not have the licence required either. Is that Cardiff City fault?
This is why Cardiff City are absolutely right to say let's wait until we get the FULL report into this accident before making any decision on making any payments.
TBH we all know why ES was on the plane but I don't think that is materially important. This comes down to contract law which has six basic elements which form a legally binding contract.
(1) offer (2) acceptance (3) consideration (4) mutuality of obligation (5) competency and capacity and in certain circumstances (6) a written instrument.
Almost certainly (1), (2) and (5) were in place.
It is consideration, mutuality of obligation and possibly a written instrument which is where the contract may not be legally binding.
Consideration is something of value and is exchanged for the performance or a promise of performance by the other party. In this case it was ES (a player) exchanged for £15m so the something of value (ES) must be delivered in tact and able to perform as was promised under the terms of the contract. Unfortunately he wasn't because he died in transit.
Mutuality of Obligation means both parties are bound to perform their obligations or the law will treat the agreement as if neither party is bound to perform. This is similar to consideration and means unless Nantes transferred ES to CCFC in tact and he was able to perform as under the terms of the contract then CCFC is not bound to pay Nantes £15m.
The written instrument in this case revolves around whether the contract was completed. To complete the contract we needed to register the player. It is technical but we all know if we buy a house, car or land we need to transfer the registration before we become the legal owners.
Until a contract is finalised both parties have the right to withdraw. In theory even though ES was flying to Cardiff the club could have still pulled out of the deal because the paperwork sent to the PL was not properly completed and therefore no contract existed. Almost certainly this will affect whether our insurers will pay out and TBH they seem to have good reason not to as technically their was no legally binding contract between CCFC and Nantes at the time of ES death.
Good read that Tony and is a super explanation of why Cardiff City shouldn't pay a penny to Nantes because I believe that an ITC had not been issued and receipt confirmed by the FA, until that had happened the transfer could not be completed. Cardiff City mat have announced the signing of ES but the official statement did carry the caveat "Subject To International Clearance"
I have been lucky enough to see transfer documentation and where it involves a player moving between different National Associations the contract ALWAYS contains a clause "Subject to receipt of an International Transfer Certificate". In fact, unless we sign a player attached to a Welsh club (Except Swansea & Newport) ALL transfers our club is involved with require an ITC.
My gut instinct here is that our club may very well agree some sort of payment here, but not the full £15m, and I think they may very well offer such payment to the estate of ES and not Nantes FC.
Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:57 am
Daya wrote:
Couple of points here Tony
You Say "the club could have still pulled out of the deal because the paperwork sent to the PL was not properly completed and therefore no contract existed."
Is it not the case the contract between the clubs was completed and signed?
Is it not the case he was registered as a Cardiff player with the FAW which means he was now owned by Cardiff City ?
Is it not the case the registration with the premier league is to allow the player to play in the premier league?
You say " Almost certainly this will affect whether our insurers will pay out"
Is it also not the case that your insurers will not pay out as there was inadequate cover on your new asset which wouldn't cover the loss fully ?