Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:23 am
Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:45 am
Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:21 pm
Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:22 pm
Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:26 pm
Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:26 pm
RV Casual wrote:Whilst I have empathy for her situation she needs to realise her son was a grown man, a well paid one at that who made his own decisions and boarded that flight of his own free will.
In my opinion it really is poor form saying we didn't look after him, we were about to pay him the richest contract of his life and offered him a flight option that he declined.
Aside from that the whole situation regarding the transfer fee is nothing to do with the Sala family so no idea how us following legal guidance is seen as a mark of disrespect.
Sounds like she has been 'asked' to put this out to me by people with a vested interest possibly but hopefully not for reward?
Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:58 pm
bluebird58 wrote:This is business. You don't pay until you're sure you have to pay. And if you do have to pay then it will have to be at the last possible moment. Emotional pleas like this are irrelevant.
This is another 'non-story' from the Daily Mail, who really seem to have it in for us at the moment.
Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:07 pm
Forever Blue wrote:We did announce Sala as our player and for nearly four weeks we said he was our player.
We owe £15mill over 3 years minus Agents fees in my eyes.
Nantes FC have done nothing wrong.
Cardiff have now admitted the contract error was done by them and are trying to get out of paying on a tectnicality.
In the long run clubs/agents players will not want to deal with us and that could prove way more costly and our good name will be ruined.
To the football world we look awful and that in the long run could be way way more costly to us a club.
Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:56 pm
Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:12 pm
Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:19 pm
WelshPatriot wrote:Whilst no parent should see their child pass on and I have nothing but empathy for their situation her son in his own personal time made the decision to go back to France to make arrangements for his move and accepted the doomed flight from his agent.
To say Cardiff had not looked after her son isn't what's needed right now and in my opinion incorrect.
Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:20 pm
mugsy wrote:Forever Blue wrote:We did announce Sala as our player and for nearly four weeks we said he was our player.
We owe £15mill over 3 years minus Agents fees in my eyes.
Nantes FC have done nothing wrong.
Cardiff have now admitted the contract error was done by them and are trying to get out of paying on a tectnicality.
In the long run clubs/agents players will not want to deal with us and that could prove way more costly and our good name will be ruined.
To the football world we look awful and that in the long run could be way way more costly to us a club.
I agree Annis. Dalman has said we will do the decent thing. To show our integrity now we should pay over what is due and let it be held in escrow until the outcome of all investigations are known.
Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:06 pm
Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:21 pm
Forever Blue wrote:mugsy wrote:Forever Blue wrote:We did announce Sala as our player and for nearly four weeks we said he was our player.
We owe £15mill over 3 years minus Agents fees in my eyes.
Nantes FC have done nothing wrong.
Cardiff have now admitted the contract error was done by them and are trying to get out of paying on a tectnicality.
In the long run clubs/agents players will not want to deal with us and that could prove way more costly and our good name will be ruined.
To the football world we look awful and that in the long run could be way way more costly to us a club.
I agree Annis. Dalman has said we will do the decent thing. To show our integrity now we should pay over what is due and let it be held in escrow until the outcome of all investigations are known.
That would be fair
Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:48 pm
Forever Blue wrote:We did announce Sala as our player and for nearly four weeks we said he was our player.
We owe £15mill over 3 years minus Agents fees in my eyes.
Nantes FC have done nothing wrong.
Cardiff have now admitted the contract error was done by them and are trying to get out of paying on a tectnicality.
In the long run clubs/agents players will not want to deal with us and that could prove way more costly and our good name will be ruined.
To the football world we look awful and that in the long run could be way way more costly to us a club.
Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:55 pm
WelshPatriot wrote:Forever Blue wrote:We did announce Sala as our player and for nearly four weeks we said he was our player.
We owe £15mill over 3 years minus Agents fees in my eyes.
Nantes FC have done nothing wrong.
Cardiff have now admitted the contract error was done by them and are trying to get out of paying on a tectnicality.
In the long run clubs/agents players will not want to deal with us and that could prove way more costly and our good name will be ruined.
To the football world we look awful and that in the long run could be way way more costly to us a club.
Sorry have to disagree with this. The full disclosure isn't yet out your jumping the gun. If Nantes are someway connected with Sala travelling back and the frankly illegal booking of non commercial flights then it should be looked into thoroughly likewise if Nantes and his agent fraudulently inflated his price with fake interest then this should also be fully investigated before handing over any monies.
As for agents not wanting to deal with us, the majority are loving this, McKay is despised within the world of agents they are enjoying his predicted downfall.
As for the football world looking on we are doing no different to what any other club would do.
Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:10 pm
WelshPatriot wrote:Forever Blue wrote:We did announce Sala as our player and for nearly four weeks we said he was our player.
We owe £15mill over 3 years minus Agents fees in my eyes.
Nantes FC have done nothing wrong.
Cardiff have now admitted the contract error was done by them and are trying to get out of paying on a tectnicality.
In the long run clubs/agents players will not want to deal with us and that could prove way more costly and our good name will be ruined.
To the football world we look awful and that in the long run could be way way more costly to us a club.
Sorry have to disagree with this. The full disclosure isn't yet out your jumping the gun. If Nantes are someway connected with Sala travelling back and the frankly illegal booking of non commercial flights then it should be looked into thoroughly likewise if Nantes and his agent fraudulently inflated his price with fake interest then this should also be fully investigated before handing over any monies.
As for agents not wanting to deal with us, the majority are loving this, McKay is despised within the world of agents they are enjoying his predicted downfall.
As for the football world looking on we are doing no different to what any other club would do.
Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:41 pm
Forever Blue wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:Forever Blue wrote:We did announce Sala as our player and for nearly four weeks we said he was our player.
We owe £15mill over 3 years minus Agents fees in my eyes.
Nantes FC have done nothing wrong.
Cardiff have now admitted the contract error was done by them and are trying to get out of paying on a tectnicality.
In the long run clubs/agents players will not want to deal with us and that could prove way more costly and our good name will be ruined.
To the football world we look awful and that in the long run could be way way more costly to us a club.
Sorry have to disagree with this. The full disclosure isn't yet out your jumping the gun. If Nantes are someway connected with Sala travelling back and the frankly illegal booking of non commercial flights then it should be looked into thoroughly likewise if Nantes and his agent fraudulently inflated his price with fake interest then this should also be fully investigated before handing over any monies.
As for agents not wanting to deal with us, the majority are loving this, McKay is despised within the world of agents they are enjoying his predicted downfall.
As for the football world looking on we are doing no different to what any other club would do.
Nantes has NO involvement in Sala’s travelling arrangements after Sala signed for Cardiff City and I can tell you now Inonow that for a fact and that I stand by.
Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:33 pm
castleblue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:Forever Blue wrote:We did announce Sala as our player and for nearly four weeks we said he was our player.
We owe £15mill over 3 years minus Agents fees in my eyes.
Nantes FC have done nothing wrong.
Cardiff have now admitted the contract error was done by them and are trying to get out of paying on a tectnicality.
In the long run clubs/agents players will not want to deal with us and that could prove way more costly and our good name will be ruined.
To the football world we look awful and that in the long run could be way way more costly to us a club.
Sorry have to disagree with this. The full disclosure isn't yet out your jumping the gun. If Nantes are someway connected with Sala travelling back and the frankly illegal booking of non commercial flights then it should be looked into thoroughly likewise if Nantes and his agent fraudulently inflated his price with fake interest then this should also be fully investigated before handing over any monies.
As for agents not wanting to deal with us, the majority are loving this, McKay is despised within the world of agents they are enjoying his predicted downfall.
As for the football world looking on we are doing no different to what any other club would do.
Nantes has NO involvement in Sala’s travelling arrangements after Sala signed for Cardiff City and I can tell you now Inonow that for a fact and that I stand by.
Annis as I see this the travel arrangements for Sala were ALL put in place by the McKays who themselves were employed by Nantes FC to broker this transfer deal. Whichever way you look at that it makes the McKays employees of Nantes FC so how on earth you can say they had NO involvement in the travel arrangements simply beggers belief.
I'm no lawyer but there is a legal term "Vacarious Liability" where an employer can be liable for the acts or omissions of its employees, provided it can be shown that they took place in the course of their employment. I think Cardiff City will have no problem getting lawyers to argue "Vacarious Liability" when the full report on this flight are published against those who arranged this flight i.e. The McKays and their employers Nantes FC.
As far as the Sala family is concerned I think our club has a responsibility to them as ES was only on that flight because he was coming to join our club. I hope when the dust settles that our club honour it's commitment to the player and make a very sizeable goodwill payment into his estate.
But in respect of Nantes FC and the McKays let the courts settle that.
Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:39 pm
Forever Blue wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:Forever Blue wrote:We did announce Sala as our player and for nearly four weeks we said he was our player.
We owe £15mill over 3 years minus Agents fees in my eyes.
Nantes FC have done nothing wrong.
Cardiff have now admitted the contract error was done by them and are trying to get out of paying on a tectnicality.
In the long run clubs/agents players will not want to deal with us and that could prove way more costly and our good name will be ruined.
To the football world we look awful and that in the long run could be way way more costly to us a club.
Sorry have to disagree with this. The full disclosure isn't yet out your jumping the gun. If Nantes are someway connected with Sala travelling back and the frankly illegal booking of non commercial flights then it should be looked into thoroughly likewise if Nantes and his agent fraudulently inflated his price with fake interest then this should also be fully investigated before handing over any monies.
As for agents not wanting to deal with us, the majority are loving this, McKay is despised within the world of agents they are enjoying his predicted downfall.
As for the football world looking on we are doing no different to what any other club would do.
Nantes has NO involvement in Sala’s travelling arrangements after Sala signed for Cardiff City and I can tell you now Inonow that for a fact and that I stand by.
Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:17 pm
Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:15 am
WelshPatriot wrote:Whilst no parent should see their child pass on and I have nothing but empathy for their situation her son in his own personal time made the decision to go back to France to make arrangements for his move and accepted the doomed flight from his agent.
To say Cardiff had not looked after her son isn't what's needed right now and in my opinion incorrect.
Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:30 am
RV Casual wrote:Whilst I have empathy for her situation she needs to realise her son was a grown man, a well paid one at that who made his own decisions and boarded that flight of his own free will.
In my opinion it really is poor form saying we didn't look after him, we were about to pay him the richest contract of his life and offered him a flight option that he declined.
Aside from that the whole situation regarding the transfer fee is nothing to do with the Sala family so no idea how us following legal guidance is seen as a mark of disrespect.
Sounds like she has been 'asked' to put this out to me by people with a vested interest possibly but hopefully not for reward?
Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:02 am
Forever Blue wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:Forever Blue wrote:We did announce Sala as our player and for nearly four weeks we said he was our player.
We owe £15mill over 3 years minus Agents fees in my eyes.
Nantes FC have done nothing wrong.
Cardiff have now admitted the contract error was done by them and are trying to get out of paying on a tectnicality.
In the long run clubs/agents players will not want to deal with us and that could prove way more costly and our good name will be ruined.
To the football world we look awful and that in the long run could be way way more costly to us a club.
Sorry have to disagree with this. The full disclosure isn't yet out your jumping the gun. If Nantes are someway connected with Sala travelling back and the frankly illegal booking of non commercial flights then it should be looked into thoroughly likewise if Nantes and his agent fraudulently inflated his price with fake interest then this should also be fully investigated before handing over any monies.
As for agents not wanting to deal with us, the majority are loving this, McKay is despised within the world of agents they are enjoying his predicted downfall.
As for the football world looking on we are doing no different to what any other club would do.
Nantes has NO involvement in Sala’s travelling arrangements after Sala signed for Cardiff City and I can tell you now Inonow that for a fact and that I stand by.
Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:58 am
WelshPatriot wrote:Forever Blue wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:Forever Blue wrote:We did announce Sala as our player and for nearly four weeks we said he was our player.
We owe £15mill over 3 years minus Agents fees in my eyes.
Nantes FC have done nothing wrong.
Cardiff have now admitted the contract error was done by them and are trying to get out of paying on a tectnicality.
In the long run clubs/agents players will not want to deal with us and that could prove way more costly and our good name will be ruined.
To the football world we look awful and that in the long run could be way way more costly to us a club.
Sorry have to disagree with this. The full disclosure isn't yet out your jumping the gun. If Nantes are someway connected with Sala travelling back and the frankly illegal booking of non commercial flights then it should be looked into thoroughly likewise if Nantes and his agent fraudulently inflated his price with fake interest then this should also be fully investigated before handing over any monies.
As for agents not wanting to deal with us, the majority are loving this, McKay is despised within the world of agents they are enjoying his predicted downfall.
As for the football world looking on we are doing no different to what any other club would do.
Nantes has NO involvement in Sala’s travelling arrangements after Sala signed for Cardiff City and I can tell you now Inonow that for a fact and that I stand by.
Nantes employed the services of McKay.
Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:58 am
Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:09 am
dogfound wrote:castleblue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:Forever Blue wrote:We did announce Sala as our player and for nearly four weeks we said he was our player.
We owe £15mill over 3 years minus Agents fees in my eyes.
Nantes FC have done nothing wrong.
Cardiff have now admitted the contract error was done by them and are trying to get out of paying on a tectnicality.
In the long run clubs/agents players will not want to deal with us and that could prove way more costly and our good name will be ruined.
To the football world we look awful and that in the long run could be way way more costly to us a club.
Sorry have to disagree with this. The full disclosure isn't yet out your jumping the gun. If Nantes are someway connected with Sala travelling back and the frankly illegal booking of non commercial flights then it should be looked into thoroughly likewise if Nantes and his agent fraudulently inflated his price with fake interest then this should also be fully investigated before handing over any monies.
As for agents not wanting to deal with us, the majority are loving this, McKay is despised within the world of agents they are enjoying his predicted downfall.
As for the football world looking on we are doing no different to what any other club would do.
Nantes has NO involvement in Sala’s travelling arrangements after Sala signed for Cardiff City and I can tell you now Inonow that for a fact and that I stand by.
Annis as I see this the travel arrangements for Sala were ALL put in place by the McKays who themselves were employed by Nantes FC to broker this transfer deal. Whichever way you look at that it makes the McKays employees of Nantes FC so how on earth you can say they had NO involvement in the travel arrangements simply beggers belief.
I'm no lawyer but there is a legal term "Vacarious Liability" where an employer can be liable for the acts or omissions of its employees, provided it can be shown that they took place in the course of their employment. I think Cardiff City will have no problem getting lawyers to argue "Vacarious Liability" when the full report on this flight are published against those who arranged this flight i.e. The McKays and their employers Nantes FC.
As far as the Sala family is concerned I think our club has a responsibility to them as ES was only on that flight because he was coming to join our club. I hope when the dust settles that our club honour it's commitment to the player and make a very sizeable goodwill payment into his estate.
But in respect of Nantes FC and the McKays let the courts settle that.
so..the paper thin loophole for not paying is not the contract anymore its moved along to McKay being still employed by Nantes after the deal had been completed..how long does this employment last exactly .but even if he is still employed how can an employee doing a favour { the txts are evidence of favour } for an ex employee fall under vacarious liability..
Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:38 am
castleblue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:Forever Blue wrote:We did announce Sala as our player and for nearly four weeks we said he was our player.
We owe £15mill over 3 years minus Agents fees in my eyes.
Nantes FC have done nothing wrong.
Cardiff have now admitted the contract error was done by them and are trying to get out of paying on a tectnicality.
In the long run clubs/agents players will not want to deal with us and that could prove way more costly and our good name will be ruined.
To the football world we look awful and that in the long run could be way way more costly to us a club.
Sorry have to disagree with this. The full disclosure isn't yet out your jumping the gun. If Nantes are someway connected with Sala travelling back and the frankly illegal booking of non commercial flights then it should be looked into thoroughly likewise if Nantes and his agent fraudulently inflated his price with fake interest then this should also be fully investigated before handing over any monies.
As for agents not wanting to deal with us, the majority are loving this, McKay is despised within the world of agents they are enjoying his predicted downfall.
As for the football world looking on we are doing no different to what any other club would do.
Nantes has NO involvement in Sala’s travelling arrangements after Sala signed for Cardiff City and I can tell you now Inonow that for a fact and that I stand by.
Annis as I see this the travel arrangements for Sala were ALL put in place by the McKays who themselves were employed by Nantes FC to broker this transfer deal. Whichever way you look at that it makes the McKays employees of Nantes FC so how on earth you can say they had NO involvement in the travel arrangements simply beggers belief.
I'm no lawyer but there is a legal term "Vacarious Liability" where an employer can be liable for the acts or omissions of its employees, provided it can be shown that they took place in the course of their employment. I think Cardiff City will have no problem getting lawyers to argue "Vacarious Liability" when the full report on this flight are published against those who arranged this flight i.e. The McKays and their employers Nantes FC.
As far as the Sala family is concerned I think our club has a responsibility to them as ES was only on that flight because he was coming to join our club. I hope when the dust settles that our club honour it's commitment to the player and make a very sizeable goodwill payment into his estate.
But in respect of Nantes FC and the McKays let the courts settle that.
Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:39 am
castleblue wrote:dogfound wrote:castleblue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:Forever Blue wrote:We did announce Sala as our player and for nearly four weeks we said he was our player.
We owe £15mill over 3 years minus Agents fees in my eyes.
Nantes FC have done nothing wrong.
Cardiff have now admitted the contract error was done by them and are trying to get out of paying on a tectnicality.
In the long run clubs/agents players will not want to deal with us and that could prove way more costly and our good name will be ruined.
To the football world we look awful and that in the long run could be way way more costly to us a club.
Sorry have to disagree with this. The full disclosure isn't yet out your jumping the gun. If Nantes are someway connected with Sala travelling back and the frankly illegal booking of non commercial flights then it should be looked into thoroughly likewise if Nantes and his agent fraudulently inflated his price with fake interest then this should also be fully investigated before handing over any monies.
As for agents not wanting to deal with us, the majority are loving this, McKay is despised within the world of agents they are enjoying his predicted downfall.
As for the football world looking on we are doing no different to what any other club would do.
Nantes has NO involvement in Sala’s travelling arrangements after Sala signed for Cardiff City and I can tell you now Inonow that for a fact and that I stand by.
Annis as I see this the travel arrangements for Sala were ALL put in place by the McKays who themselves were employed by Nantes FC to broker this transfer deal. Whichever way you look at that it makes the McKays employees of Nantes FC so how on earth you can say they had NO involvement in the travel arrangements simply beggers belief.
I'm no lawyer but there is a legal term "Vacarious Liability" where an employer can be liable for the acts or omissions of its employees, provided it can be shown that they took place in the course of their employment. I think Cardiff City will have no problem getting lawyers to argue "Vacarious Liability" when the full report on this flight are published against those who arranged this flight i.e. The McKays and their employers Nantes FC.
As far as the Sala family is concerned I think our club has a responsibility to them as ES was only on that flight because he was coming to join our club. I hope when the dust settles that our club honour it's commitment to the player and make a very sizeable goodwill payment into his estate.
But in respect of Nantes FC and the McKays let the courts settle that.
so..the paper thin loophole for not paying is not the contract anymore its moved along to McKay being still employed by Nantes after the deal had been completed..how long does this employment last exactly .but even if he is still employed how can an employee doing a favour { the txts are evidence of favour } for an ex employee fall under vacarious liability..
And exactly when was this deal completed?
Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:33 am
wez1927 wrote:castleblue wrote:dogfound wrote:castleblue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:Forever Blue wrote:We did announce Sala as our player and for nearly four weeks we said he was our player.
We owe £15mill over 3 years minus Agents fees in my eyes.
Nantes FC have done nothing wrong.
Cardiff have now admitted the contract error was done by them and are trying to get out of paying on a tectnicality.
In the long run clubs/agents players will not want to deal with us and that could prove way more costly and our good name will be ruined.
To the football world we look awful and that in the long run could be way way more costly to us a club.
Sorry have to disagree with this. The full disclosure isn't yet out your jumping the gun. If Nantes are someway connected with Sala travelling back and the frankly illegal booking of non commercial flights then it should be looked into thoroughly likewise if Nantes and his agent fraudulently inflated his price with fake interest then this should also be fully investigated before handing over any monies.
As for agents not wanting to deal with us, the majority are loving this, McKay is despised within the world of agents they are enjoying his predicted downfall.
As for the football world looking on we are doing no different to what any other club would do.
Nantes has NO involvement in Sala’s travelling arrangements after Sala signed for Cardiff City and I can tell you now Inonow that for a fact and that I stand by.
Annis as I see this the travel arrangements for Sala were ALL put in place by the McKays who themselves were employed by Nantes FC to broker this transfer deal. Whichever way you look at that it makes the McKays employees of Nantes FC so how on earth you can say they had NO involvement in the travel arrangements simply beggers belief.
I'm no lawyer but there is a legal term "Vacarious Liability" where an employer can be liable for the acts or omissions of its employees, provided it can be shown that they took place in the course of their employment. I think Cardiff City will have no problem getting lawyers to argue "Vacarious Liability" when the full report on this flight are published against those who arranged this flight i.e. The McKays and their employers Nantes FC.
As far as the Sala family is concerned I think our club has a responsibility to them as ES was only on that flight because he was coming to join our club. I hope when the dust settles that our club honour it's commitment to the player and make a very sizeable goodwill payment into his estate.
But in respect of Nantes FC and the McKays let the courts settle that.
so..the paper thin loophole for not paying is not the contract anymore its moved along to McKay being still employed by Nantes after the deal had been completed..how long does this employment last exactly .but even if he is still employed how can an employee doing a favour { the txts are evidence of favour } for an ex employee fall under vacarious liability..
And exactly when was this deal completed?
normally completed once a payment is made ?