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Postby Igovernor » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:07 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47934721



Shamima Begum: IS bride set to be granted legal aid

Former ISIS wife Shamima Begum photographed in a Syrian refugee camp during an interview with BBC Middle East Correspondent Quentin Sommerville.


Ms Begum left Bethnal Green, east London, in 2015 to join the Islamic State group in Syria
Shamima Begum - who joined the Islamic State group aged 15 - is set to be granted legal aid to fight the decision to revoke her UK citizenship.

The 19-year-old, who left east London in 2015, was stripped of her citizenship in February, after she was found in a Syrian refugee camp.

Her family has previously said it planned to challenge the decision.

Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt said the idea of the provision of legal aid to Ms Begum made him "very uncomfortable".

Mr Hunt added, however, that the UK was "a country that believes that people with limited means should have access to the resources of the state if they want to challenge the decisions the state has made about them".

Legal aid is financial assistance provided by the taxpayer to those unable to afford legal representation themselves, whether they are accused of a crime or a victim who seeks the help of a lawyer through the court process.

It is means-tested and availability has been cut back significantly in recent years in England and Wales.

Civil servants at the Legal Aid Agency, which is part of the Ministry of Justice, are responsible for making decisions about who receives legal aid.

Earlier, the BBC reported Ms Begum's case had been approved - but sources now say it will be formally signed off in the coming days.

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The legal aid that is expected to be granted covers a case before the semi-secret Special Immigration Appeals Commission (Siac), which adjudicates on cases where the home secretary has stripped someone of their nationality on grounds of national security.

Presentational grey line
Analysis box by Dominic Casciani, home affairs correspondent
Cases before Siac are among the most complicated legal challenges that the government can face.

This is because they typically involve a complex combination of MI5 intelligence reports, which cannot be disclosed to the complainant, and long-standing law on achieving a fair hearing.

It is not yet clear when the expected case will be heard but the Siac process can take years to complete - and granting of legal aid in these circumstances is not unusual.

Over the last decade or so there have been many other people stripped of nationality on the basis they are linked to terrorism who have been legally-aided during the Siac process.

Presentational grey line
Ms Begum left the UK in February 2015 alongside fellow Bethnal Green Academy pupils 15-year-old Amira Abase and 16-year-old Kadiza Sultana.

Ms Begum was found in a Syrian refugee camp in February 2019 and said she wanted to return home.

Soon afterwards, she gave birth to a boy called Jarrah. He died of pneumonia in March at less than three weeks of age. She had two other children who also died.

In the wake of the boy's death, Home Secretary Sajid Javid was criticised over the decision to strip Ms Begum of her British citizenship.

Three weeks prior to the death, Ms Begum's sister, Renu Begum, had written to Mr Javid asking him to help her bring the baby to the UK.


Jeremy Corbyn: "We should not judge outside of a court"
On Monday, the Daily Mail first reported that legal aid had been granted in response to an application made on 19 March.

Mr Javid said the granting of legal aid was a decision for legal aid organisations and it was "not for ministers to comment".

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn argued Ms Begum had the right to apply for legal aid.

"She is a British citizen," he said. "She's therefore entitled to apply for legal aid if she has a legal problem just like anybody else is."

He added: "The whole point of legal aid is that if you're facing a prosecution then you're entitled to be represented and that's a fundamental rule of law, a fundamental point in any democratic society."

'Not a political decision'

Dal Babu, a former chief superintendent in the Metropolitan Police and a friend of the family, said Ms Begum should have legal aid to make sure the correct process is followed.

He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "I think legal aid is a principle of the British legal justice system."

Under the 1981 British Nationality Act, a person can be deprived of their citizenship if the home secretary is satisfied it would be "conducive to the public good" and they would not become stateless as a result.

It was thought Ms Begum had Bangladeshi citizenship through her mother - although Bangladesh's ministry of foreign affairs said she had been "erroneously identified" as a Bangladeshi national.

Human rights group Liberty said granting legal aid in this case was "not just appropriate but absolutely necessary to ensure that the government's decisions are properly scrutinised".
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Postby Forever Blue » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:21 pm

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Postby bluebirdoct1962 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:39 pm

Igovernor wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47934721

Read it earlier mate.
Been trying to block it out of my mind ever since.
Basically WE are now footing the bill for a woman who supported the ISIS regime on her quest to get back into the country that the ideology of ISIS was / is 100% against.
Madness but sadly not surprising.
At least Jeremy Hunt says he is ‘uncomfortable’ with it - be interesting to hear what Corbin and Abbott have to say.
The law may be on her side here but I wish politicians would show the balls to say “Hang on, this isn’t right”.
I defy anyone to stick up for her.
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Postby pembroke allan » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:43 pm

Nothing of a surprise and it could go on for years apparently! They'll be a bleeding heart lawyer sitting in office raking in Money our money!! :banghead:
Corbyn sitting on fence over it the usual suspect groups welcome it so that justice is seen to be done? :roll:
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Postby bluebirdoct1962 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:48 pm

pembroke allan wrote:Nothing of a surprise and it could go on for years apparently! They'll be a bleeding heart lawyer sitting in office raking in Money our money!! :banghead:
Corbyn sitting on fence over it the usual suspect groups welcome it so that justice is seen to be done? :roll:

Any quotes from Corbyn mate
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Postby bullerlever » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:00 pm

F..k me there's a surprise. Country is a f.....g joke.
Great Britain my ar.e
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Postby epping blue » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:02 pm

bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:Nothing of a surprise and it could go on for years apparently! They'll be a bleeding heart lawyer sitting in office raking in Money our money!! :banghead:
Corbyn sitting on fence over it the usual suspect groups welcome it so that justice is seen to be done? :roll:

Any quotes from Corbyn mate



He says she has the right to be properly defended, which basically means she has the right to have her defence costs payed by the rest of us. Tip of the ice berg. Dianne Abbot will probably all the moped gangs on motability.
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Postby pembroke allan » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:15 pm

bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:Nothing of a surprise and it could go on for years apparently! They'll be a bleeding heart lawyer sitting in office raking in Money our money!! :banghead:
Corbyn sitting on fence over it the usual suspect groups welcome it so that justice is seen to be done? :roll:

Any quotes from Corbyn mate



More like a statement basically he didn't comment on legal aid side of things was a typical politicians answer avoided direct quote on subject :thumbup:
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Postby pembroke allan » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:28 pm

bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:Nothing of a surprise and it could go on for years apparently! They'll be a bleeding heart lawyer sitting in office raking in Money our money!! :banghead:
Corbyn sitting on fence over it the usual suspect groups welcome it so that justice is seen to be done? :roll:

Any quotes from Corbyn mate




Corbyn sitting on fence over it the usual suspect groups welcome it so that justice is seen to be done? :roll:[/quote]
Any quotes from corbyn? humbup:



Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn argued Ms Begum had the right to apply for legal aid."She is a British citizen," he said. "She's therefore entitled to apply for legal aid if she has a legal problem just like anybody else is."He added: "The whole point of legal aid is that if you're facing a prosecution then you're entitled to be represented and that's a fundamental rule of law, a fundamental poin
t in any democratic society."He added: "The whole point of legal aid is that if you're facing a prosecution then you're entitled to berepresented and that's a fundamental rule of law, a fundamental point in any democratic society."
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Postby bullerlever » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:27 pm

You should lose citizenship and any rights when you leave to support a terrorist organisation.
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Postby pembroke allan » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:00 pm

bullerlever wrote:You should lose citizenship and any rights when you leave to support a terrorist organisation.




Unfortunately you cannot do that if person as no legal rights to live in another country ! Hence this appeal as Bangladesh say shes not their citizen.... if dhe as to come back gvmnt should make life as difficult as possible and prosecute if proven she was a terrorist? Thats if a drone doesn't accidentally blow her up? :mrgreen:
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Postby BEEP AHM » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:58 am

If i was younger i would move me and family to Oz. This country has the backbone of a worm. Thousands died defending these shores. f*cking sick of it. Trump should run this country, he wouldnt put up with this bollocks
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Postby Wayne S » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:19 am

Let's look at it with a positive spin.

Giving her legal support means there will be no doubt when the verdict comes in.

She will have no reason to suggest it was not a fair trial due to her lack of a brief.
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Postby Sneggyblubird » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:06 am

Wayne S wrote:Let's look at it with a positive spin.

Giving her legal support means there will be no doubt when the verdict comes in.

She will have no reason to suggest it was not a fair trial due to her lack of a brief.


Probably the best statement on this thread.The point being missed is everybody,thats everybody without exception is entitled to fair representation under our law no matter how unsavory it may seem.This law serves everyone,not just terrorists,nonces,rapists etc.
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Postby Bluebina » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:08 am

Going to cost a fortune, change the law and stop it, no legal aid if you're involved in acts of War outside the UK, anything just stop it !!!
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Postby bluebirdoct1962 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:18 pm

Sneggyblubird wrote:
Wayne S wrote:Let's look at it with a positive spin.

Giving her legal support means there will be no doubt when the verdict comes in.

She will have no reason to suggest it was not a fair trial due to her lack of a brief.


Probably the best statement on this thread.The point being missed is everybody,thats everybody without exception is entitled to fair representation under our law no matter how unsavory it may seem.This law serves everyone,not just terrorists,nonces,rapists etc.


Quote - “The law may be on her side here but I wish politicians would show the balls to say “Hang on, this isn’t right”
Not been missed by me mate but imho law is completely wrong in this case.
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Postby CCFCJosh75 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:57 pm

Anyone have any quotes from the prime minister or a leader of any other party about this or is it just going to turn into another anti Corbyn thread?
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Postby bluebirdoct1962 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:17 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:Anyone have any quotes from the prime minister or a leader of any other party about this or is it just going to turn into another anti Corbyn thread?

Jeremy Hunt said he was ‘uncomfortable’ with it.
Corbyn will just jump on any anti imperialism bandwagon
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Postby bluebirdoct1962 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:19 pm

bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Anyone have any quotes from the prime minister or a leader of any other party about this or is it just going to turn into another anti Corbyn thread?

Jeremy Hunt said he was ‘uncomfortable’ with it.
Corbyn will just jump on any anti imperialism bandwagon

IRA, Hamas why not Daesh.
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Postby pembroke allan » Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:32 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:Anyone have any quotes from the prime minister or a leader of any other party about this or is it just going to turn into another anti Corbyn thread?



Have posted in thread the text of what corbyn as said in full as quoted by bbc website :thumbup:
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Postby CCFCJosh75 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:27 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Anyone have any quotes from the prime minister or a leader of any other party about this or is it just going to turn into another anti Corbyn thread?



Have posted in thread the text of what corbyn as said in full as quoted by bbc website :thumbup:


Apart from the uncomfortable comment Corbyn and hunt seem to say the same thing, if hunt is representing the government it's a bit harsh to pick on one rather than both.
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Postby bluebirdoct1962 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:35 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Anyone have any quotes from the prime minister or a leader of any other party about this or is it just going to turn into another anti Corbyn thread?



Have posted in thread the text of what corbyn as said in full as quoted by bbc website :thumbup:


Apart from the uncomfortable comment Corbyn and hunt seem to say the same thing, if hunt is representing the government it's a bit harsh to pick on one rather than both.

I disagree mate.
If it’s law there’s little that can be done but at least Hunt has indicated that he’s not entirely happy with it. Corbyn hasn’t.
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Postby pembroke allan » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:37 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Anyone have any quotes from the prime minister or a leader of any other party about this or is it just going to turn into another anti Corbyn thread?



Have posted in thread the text of what corbyn as said in full as quoted by bbc website :thumbup:


Apart from the uncomfortable comment Corbyn and hunt seem to say the same thing, if hunt is representing the government it's a bit harsh to pick on one rather than both.



Thats true i posted the quote as someone asked for one? Hunt at least said wa uncomfortable with things corbyn said sfa only lamenting that she was entitled to legal aid blah blah , yes people are entitled to fair treatment but not at expense of uk taxpayer when someone openly supports terrorists she does..you realise she will cost millions to go through process them free housing ect ECT because if she comes back who's going to employ her ISIS? :roll:
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Postby bluebirdoct1962 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:46 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Anyone have any quotes from the prime minister or a leader of any other party about this or is it just going to turn into another anti Corbyn thread?



Have posted in thread the text of what corbyn as said in full as quoted by bbc website :thumbup:


Apart from the uncomfortable comment Corbyn and hunt seem to say the same thing, if hunt is representing the government it's a bit harsh to pick on one rather than both.



Thats true i posted the quote as someone asked for one? Hunt at least said wa uncomfortable with things corbyn said sfa only lamenting that she was entitled to legal aid blah blah , yes people are entitled to fair treatment but not at expense of uk taxpayer when someone openly supports terrorists she does..you realise she will cost millions to go through process them free housing ect ECT because if she comes back who's going to employ her ISIS? :roll:

Agree 100%
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Postby pembroke allan » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:46 pm

bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Anyone have any quotes from the prime minister or a leader of any other party about this or is it just going to turn into another anti Corbyn thread?



Have posted in thread the text of what corbyn as said in full as quoted by bbc website :thumbup:


Apart from the uncomfortable comment Corbyn and hunt seem to say the same thing, if hunt is representing the government it's a bit harsh to pick on one rather than both.



Thats true i posted the quote as someone asked for one? Hunt at least said wa uncomfortable with things corbyn said sfa only lamenting that she was entitled to legal aid blah blah , yes people are entitled to fair treatment but not at expense of uk taxpayer when someone openly supports terrorists she does..you realise she will cost millions to go through process them free housing ect ECT because if she comes back who's going to employ her ISIS? :roll:

Agree 100%


Well it is true and i believe she will come back as Bangladesh say shes not their citizen which means we cannot strip her of citizenship! But then we hsve yo support support her for rest of her life probably.. unless blows herself up ! But prefer my idea about an accident with a drone! :mrgreen:
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Postby bluebirdoct1962 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:05 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Anyone have any quotes from the prime minister or a leader of any other party about this or is it just going to turn into another anti Corbyn thread?



Have posted in thread the text of what corbyn as said in full as quoted by bbc website :thumbup:


Apart from the uncomfortable comment Corbyn and hunt seem to say the same thing, if hunt is representing the government it's a bit harsh to pick on one rather than both.



Thats true i posted the quote as someone asked for one? Hunt at least said wa uncomfortable with things corbyn said sfa only lamenting that she was entitled to legal aid blah blah , yes people are entitled to fair treatment but not at expense of uk taxpayer when someone openly supports terrorists she does..you realise she will cost millions to go through process them free housing ect ECT because if she comes back who's going to employ her ISIS? :roll:

Agree 100%


Well it is true and i believe she will come back as Bangladesh say shes not their citizen which means we cannot strip her of citizenship! But then we hsve yo support support her for rest of her life probably.. unless blows herself up ! But prefer my idea about an accident with a drone! :mrgreen:

:thumbup:
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Postby dogfound » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:39 am

CCFCJosh75 wrote:Anyone have any quotes from the prime minister or a leader of any other party about this or is it just going to turn into another anti Corbyn thread?



any topic that leaves a nasty taste is always going to end up anti Corbyn. you reap what you sow and he has spent a lifetime on the side of anyone and everyone anti British.
its why he is not prime minister.
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Postby dogfound » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:00 am

bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Anyone have any quotes from the prime minister or a leader of any other party about this or is it just going to turn into another anti Corbyn thread?



Have posted in thread the text of what corbyn as said in full as quoted by bbc website :thumbup:


Apart from the uncomfortable comment Corbyn and hunt seem to say the same thing, if hunt is representing the government it's a bit harsh to pick on one rather than both.

I disagree mate.
If it’s law there’s little that can be done but at least Hunt has indicated that he’s not entirely happy with it. Corbyn hasn’t.



Corbyn can not really say much , how can you say that you feel uncomfortable about someone thats supported terrorism getting legal aid when youve openly supported terrorism all your life.?
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Postby bluebirdoct1962 » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:00 am

dogfound wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Anyone have any quotes from the prime minister or a leader of any other party about this or is it just going to turn into another anti Corbyn thread?



Have posted in thread the text of what corbyn as said in full as quoted by bbc website :thumbup:


Apart from the uncomfortable comment Corbyn and hunt seem to say the same thing, if hunt is representing the government it's a bit harsh to pick on one rather than both.

I disagree mate.
If it’s law there’s little that can be done but at least Hunt has indicated that he’s not entirely happy with it. Corbyn hasn’t.



Corbyn can not really say much , how can you say that you feel uncomfortable about someone thats supported terrorism getting legal aid when youve openly supported terrorism all your life.?

Good point
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