Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:01 pm
Midfield general wrote:then another 20 AM's will be recruited!!!!
Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:24 pm
Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:57 pm
Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:50 pm
Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:56 am
Midfield general wrote:then another 20 AM's will be recruited!!!!
Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:33 am
moonboots wrote:Midfield general wrote:then another 20 AM's will be recruited!!!!
NO IT WON'T
http://www.yesforwales.com/site/?page_id=59
See points 2 and 4. And for those scaremongers and purveyors of misinformation see point 6
Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:01 am
Midfield general wrote:Thats from the 'yes' campaign and they dont want you to find put about this but its in the small print believe me
Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:53 am
Midfield general wrote:CF14-SE14 wrote:Midfield general wrote:Thats from the 'yes' campaign and they dont want you to find put about this but its in the small print believe me
easy to say that kind of shit, where's your proof?
show us the small print.....
I work for the Assembly and its a well known FACT!!!
Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:54 am
Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:51 pm
Midfield general wrote:CF14-SE14 wrote:Midfield general wrote:Thats from the 'yes' campaign and they dont want you to find put about this but its in the small print believe me
easy to say that kind of shit, where's your proof?
show us the small print.....
I work for the Assembly and its a well known FACT!!!
Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:58 pm
Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:32 pm
Zabier wrote:Did you see that Week In, Week Out documentary about how Tories don't give a shit about job cuts and benefit cuts. Even when the documentary showed how the benefit cuts across the board will affect those that genuinely need the benefits rather than those abusing the system, the Tories still didn't give a shit.
They showed video footage of Iain Duncan-Smith going 'I feel the people of Merthyr have become too static. Cardiff has jobs and that's only 1 hour down the ride on a bus'. They then did the trip at a time when they would be asked to work and it took close to 2 hours. That's at least a 12-13 hour day plus take away £4.50 a day for the travel return. It's not as ideal as the Tories make out.
I'm voting yes because Westminster has no grip on reality here in Wales. Yes, I appreciate cuts need to be made but not with black and white reforms. You can't generalise things like benefits and job opportunities. By bringing more power to here it might not change anything but isn't it worth the chance???
Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:47 pm
Midfield general wrote:Zabier wrote:Did you see that Week In, Week Out documentary about how Tories don't give a shit about job cuts and benefit cuts. Even when the documentary showed how the benefit cuts across the board will affect those that genuinely need the benefits rather than those abusing the system, the Tories still didn't give a shit.
They showed video footage of Iain Duncan-Smith going 'I feel the people of Merthyr have become too static. Cardiff has jobs and that's only 1 hour down the ride on a bus'. They then did the trip at a time when they would be asked to work and it took close to 2 hours. That's at least a 12-13 hour day plus take away £4.50 a day for the travel return. It's not as ideal as the Tories make out.
I'm voting yes because Westminster has no grip on reality here in Wales. Yes, I appreciate cuts need to be made but not with black and white reforms. You can't generalise things like benefits and job opportunities. By bringing more power to here it might not change anything but isn't it worth the chance???
Im sorry but thousands of people travel to work every single day in the area and a large percentage of them have to pay for their travel so why is it such a bad thing for people to travel to work...? May I remind you that under a LABOUR and PLAID leading Assembly they have set-up an Assembly building in Merthyr however the workforce is actually bussed in from Cardiff every day!!!! So much so for the headlines of the scheme to outscoure the Assembly workforce!!! The iconic Hoovers building left the Merthyr area under a LABOUR UK AND WELSH ASSEMBLY GOVERNMENT yet no talks were ever offered to the management from the politicans yet to other marginal seats in the UK the Labour government offered wads of cash to keep the companies in areas of deprevation. Wake up and smell the coffee the Labour Party with the help of Plaid has offered nothing to the area too!!!
Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:47 pm
Many flaws in your comment. Firstly these so-called English firms, I remember Japanese and Koran firms being given handouts and not lasting long and I've no doubt that some of them were also English and Welsh. My point being the blame with this scheme lays with the Assembly in making these handouts too easy to obtain and no-one else. Plus I can assure you that Labour were in power at the Assembly within that time and not Thatcher!!!!! You also mention Thatcher leaving the valleys without any future, well tell that to the thousands of people in the valleys who took advantage of her scheme to buy their council home. You can't get any better start in life than owning your own home!!!!
Your comments on Churchill and the Hanging are comical and Im still waiting for actually proof because I know the hanging issue was mentioned in a comedy sketch in the 90's!!!
You mentioned that I am running down the people of Wales which is an incredible statement to make as I am only interested in facts and not comedy sketches like yourself.
Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:50 pm
Zabier wrote:Midfield general wrote:Zabier wrote:Did you see that Week In, Week Out documentary about how Tories don't give a shit about job cuts and benefit cuts. Even when the documentary showed how the benefit cuts across the board will affect those that genuinely need the benefits rather than those abusing the system, the Tories still didn't give a shit.
They showed video footage of Iain Duncan-Smith going 'I feel the people of Merthyr have become too static. Cardiff has jobs and that's only 1 hour down the ride on a bus'. They then did the trip at a time when they would be asked to work and it took close to 2 hours. That's at least a 12-13 hour day plus take away £4.50 a day for the travel return. It's not as ideal as the Tories make out.
I'm voting yes because Westminster has no grip on reality here in Wales. Yes, I appreciate cuts need to be made but not with black and white reforms. You can't generalise things like benefits and job opportunities. By bringing more power to here it might not change anything but isn't it worth the chance???
Im sorry but thousands of people travel to work every single day in the area and a large percentage of them have to pay for their travel so why is it such a bad thing for people to travel to work...? May I remind you that under a LABOUR and PLAID leading Assembly they have set-up an Assembly building in Merthyr however the workforce is actually bussed in from Cardiff every day!!!! So much so for the headlines of the scheme to outscoure the Assembly workforce!!! The iconic Hoovers building left the Merthyr area under a LABOUR UK AND WELSH ASSEMBLY GOVERNMENT yet no talks were ever offered to the management from the politicans yet to other marginal seats in the UK the Labour government offered wads of cash to keep the companies in areas of deprevation. Wake up and smell the coffee the Labour Party with the help of Plaid has offered nothing to the area too!!!
On top of this though, there aren't actually many jobs in Cardiff anyway. Plus, yes, people do commute to work all over the country and yes, there are people who could do it but to just generalise it and dismiss it as Duncan-Smith did was naive and arrogant.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not making this a Labour vs Conservative argument. I'm not stupid, I know Labour got us into this mess. However, the attitude of Westminster to Wales makes me sick. We are a secondary thought. This isn't necessarily a matter of Welsh identity because that is not in question. This is a matter of us getting a stronger voice and an opportunity to make the changes we want.
Or you could vote no and continue to moan about how things are?
Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:57 pm
Midfield general wrote:Also if you want to go into the Health and Wellbeing of people in the Merthyr area then you should also include the biggest opencast coalmine in Europe which WAG put through inside the recommend boundary to peoples homes giving them constant dust particles to breath in each and every day. One of the worst roads in the UK, the A470 which has killed many was actually stopped half way through the widening scheme BEFORE they got to the most danagerous part!!! and now the locals have to put up with a huge incinerator which is being proposed. ALL THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE WELSH ASSEMBLY HAS MADE IT HAPPEN!!!
Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:11 pm
Midfield general wrote:CF14-SE14 wrote:Many flaws in your comment. Firstly these so-called English firms, I remember Japanese and Koran firms being given handouts and not lasting long and I've no doubt that some of them were also English and Welsh. My point being the blame with this scheme lays with the Assembly in making these handouts too easy to obtain and no-one else. Plus I can assure you that Labour were in power at the Assembly within that time and not Thatcher!!!!! You also mention Thatcher leaving the valleys without any future, well tell that to the thousands of people in the valleys who took advantage of her scheme to buy their council home. You can't get any better start in life than owning your own home!!!!
Your comments on Churchill and the Hanging are comical and Im still waiting for actually proof because I know the hanging issue was mentioned in a comedy sketch in the 90's!!!
You mentioned that I am running down the people of Wales which is an incredible statement to make as I am only interested in facts and not comedy sketches like yourself.
I am not a fan of any of the political parties and detest new labour with a passion, but I think you'll find that most of these factories were funded by the WDA and John Majors tories of that time. The Assembly carried on the practise but to a lesser degree and by then had learnt from the many mistakes made by Westminsters government and civil service.
A pathetic policy (to win votes) when not backed with the building of new social housing, this has led not only to a unsustainable housing bubble which stops young people getting on the housing ladder (which you seem to think is so important even though most countries in Europe do rather well by cheap rents all their lives), but has cost the country more in the long term by instead of having social housing for people in need we now have to fund ridiculous rent by housing benefits. A lose lose situation.
Personally I think the 'right to buy' scheme was fantastic and many families benefited for it ANd may I say communities because it is well known that if you buy your home you look after the street its in more.
I can see where you are coming from on your first point but lets not keep the Welsh Assembly completely 'blame free'.
However its all about opinions and its far better having people to debate rather than being slagged off by a brainwashed few
Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:11 pm
Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:26 pm
Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:44 pm
Midfield general wrote:The 'right to buy' idea was for Councils including the ones in Wales to use the income to build more homes but when the money come in at first they diverted that funding onto other projects.
Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:05 pm
Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:09 pm
Midfield general wrote:then another 20 AM's will be recruited!!!!
Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:25 pm
Midfield general wrote:Billy Hunt. wrote:Midfield general wrote:then another 20 AM's will be recruited!!!!
This explains alot regarding you thinking Ali shouldn't be announcer
Why..?
Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:38 pm
Midfield general wrote:CF14-SE14 wrote:I don't particularly give a shit who run the councils, the last few governments have been as pathetic as each other, councils are always doing things for the short term as they work year by year to a stricter budget than the government, it's up to the government to guarantee that some services aren't destroyed.
I believe that the selling of council properties without any plan for the future was beyond stupid, it was f*cking vandalism of the social state, which is what that c**t Thatcher more than likely intended.
It provided people from lower down the social spectrum to buy their own homes and many families haven't looked back.
Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:55 pm
Midfield general wrote:thanks for the debate
Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:55 pm
Midfield general wrote:then another 20 AM's will be recruited!!!!
Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:20 am
Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:46 pm
Midfield general wrote:thanks for the debate