All these cretins going on strike Thursday......

I'm not anti-strike.

I think the whole system is fucked up.

They will raise the age you will be able to claim a state pension again.

If cut backs are needed don't allow people to claim benifits from the UK who have never paid a penny in tax. That would fix the problem.

LOL! 3%!

Enjoy the rest of your life! You gonna live like a f*cking king!

Ive got my Armed Forces Pension scheme to top it up when Im aged 60 for serving 12 years in the RAF ..... Ive got another 15 or so years left in work yet plus Ive got pension schemes from ALL my old employers too ...... better than the DOLE mate !

Then tell the full story before you post.

And the dole is the problem.

Half of all the tax you pay goes to people on the dole.

Nice debate - the fact is that 92% of the public are 100% against this pathetic strike and these people who don't go to work on Thursday should be ashamed of themselves - very selfish people and a tad greedy. Lets hope the kids picket the gates on Friday to stop the selfish greedy teachers getting in?

BUT YOU ARE NOT PAYING FOR THE MISTAKES OF THE BANKERS!!!!!!!!

The Banks bring in 96% of the countries wealth.

OUR WHOLE GDP IS BASED ON WHAT THE BANKS BRING IN!!!!!!!!!!!!

How much do you in public sector bring in?

Do you know what % of the council budget goes towards pensions?

I think it's you that doesn't have a clue.

I'll be striking, why should I be made to pay for the mistakes of toffy nosed bankers who still reap the rewards for their failures.

If I had my own way we would be on the streets rioting like the Greeks etc but this country has no balls anymore so we get dictated too by toffy nosed w8nkers who haven't got a clue what real life is like.

Like the Greeks?

In the sense that the Greeks tax dodge and are the main reason they are in the shit that they are? If they paid their taxes they wouldn't be in the mess that they are!

Get a f*cking clue.

:roll: wake up and smell the f-in coffee....it's bloody hard out here in the real world you know!!.....it's 2011 not the f-in 70's.......stop holding the government to ransom and get to work like the rest of us who have to accept what we get.

Yeah and accept all the money wasted on fooking war games because Brittania still thinks she rules the waves when she doesnt
Yeah and accept all the money wasted on fooking asylum seekers
Yeah and accept all the money wasted on illegal immigrants
Yeah and accept all the money wasted of benefit cheats and dossers
Yeah and accept the fact that the bankers are still getting fooking great bonuses and screwing the arse out of us

Need I say more

Ive worked and paid tax and national insurance for 39 years and now Ive got to wait until Im 66 instead to get my state pension instead of 65

And no Im not a public service worker, Ive got a part-time job and run my own business

Question when would you like to get your state pension?

I think it's pretty obvious that you are not affected by the government cuts which you think gives you the moral high ground.

LMFAO.

It's not like the private sector have been hit at all whilst the public sector had a cushier number, eh?

You didn't complain when the private sector was being hit, did you?

But seriously, its shit at both ends of the age spectrum. Im barely paying all the bills in our rented accom and my partner is saving for a deposit, its a feeble attempt as a deposit for a suitable family home where we live requires a deposit of around 20k....i remember hearing my dad say once he paid a few thousand for his home. We are lucky to have good jobs and with good planning and tight budgeting we'll get there, but what about less fortunate people...they'll rent all their lives with know real assets to show of at the end.

I personally think the government should force the banks to contribute at least 15% towards the cost of new home owners mortgages (to replace end of year bonuses). Only if the world worked the way I wanted it to aye.

I actually agree with you on the points above BUT it's NOT the fault of the people who have worked hard all their lives. It is, to some extent, unfortunate timing and things SHOULD be done to sort it out by this Government....

My post wasn't personal (I hope it didn't come across like that) but I am frustrated that this Government are going after the easy option rather than caning the people (bankers etc) that caused the problem in the beginning with their irresponsible lending policies....

When I set out it was like an interview with the Money Police for a £500 loan to buy a car to get to work....

Times (and circumstances) change but we can only deal with the here and now and be proactive rather than reactive. To steal away peoples hard earned pensions is NOT the way forward....

I sincerely hope you DO get your dream house and a family to go with it (your own, of course!! )

Tax has nothing to do with the strike on Thursday ...... well not directly anyway . The government both now and previous have overspent on many many things so they need to reduce the defecit from their squandering now that their biggest Tax income ( smoking ) has reduced a hell of a lot , so the only 2 things left to attack are public employees and the millions out of work ! Maybe the government need to reduce inflation from 4.5% for starters , reduce the amount of money thrown at out of work people , have a look how much money the MoD spends in funding our Armed Forces overseas ( Im not knocking the boys out there coz they do a job that I wouldnt want to do ) plus ALL the MP's , AM's , SMP's etc need to have a look at the high salaries they themselves are on and cut that budget too ? Then how much money does the Govt throw at banks both in the UK and abroad , maybe that should no longer happen ? I think its a pisstake that both the Northern Rock and RBS get bailed out YET they are allowed to sponsor high profile a rugby tournament and a football club ! If Greece , Ireland and Portugal wish to over charge for their products then its of little wonder with the Euro at approx 1.1 to the £ that theor economies are struggling especially from tourism !

:roll: wake up and smell the f-in coffee....it's bloody hard out here in the real world you know!!.....it's 2011 not the f-in 70's.......stop holding the government to ransom and get to work like the rest of us who have to accept what we get.

Yeah and accept all the money wasted on fooking war games because Brittania still thinks she rules the waves when she doesnt
Yeah and accept all the money wasted on fooking asylum seekers
Yeah and accept all the money wasted on illegal immigrants
Yeah and accept all the money wasted of benefit cheats and dossers
Yeah and accept the fact that the bankers are still getting fooking great bonuses and screwing the arse out of us

Need I say more

Ive worked and paid tax and national insurance for 39 years and now Ive got to wait until Im 66 instead to get my state pension instead of 65

And no Im not a public service worker, Ive got a part-time job and run my own business

Question when would you like to get your state pension?

Without the banks you wouldn't get a f*cking penny.

Great call on the people from oversees claiming benifit.

They can come him and claim benifits. But they are not allowed to work? f*cking crazy.

I live in Grangetown and the place is over run with people from Romania.

By law they are not allowed to work.

By law they are allowed to claim benifits?

How the f**k does that work?

How the f**k does that make sense?

What everyone has to accept and understand is that we need the banks.

We need the money they bring in.

If we had not bailed them out we would be a 3rd world f*cking country.

New public sector workers, before the banks even fucked up, were not given the same pension scheme as past employees were as it simple cost to much.

I used the Greeks purely as an example of rioting and not sitting here getting f8cked over like the British do, I don't know the ins and outs of the Greek crisis and to be honest I couldn't give two f8cks.

At the end of the day, I am not to blame for the mess this country is in and won't pay for the mistakes of others regardless who made the mistakes so I have got a f8cking clue thankyou very much.

I think it's pretty obvious that you are not affected by the government cuts which you think gives you the moral high ground.

Again, you don't have a f*cking clue.

Labour fucked up my pension years ago. I can't do f**k all.

Nice debate - the fact is that 92% of the public are 100% against this pathetic strike and these people who don't go to work on Thursday should be ashamed of themselves - very selfish people and a tad greedy. Lets hope the kids picket the gates on Friday to stop the selfish greedy teachers getting in?

You haven't got a clue what you are talking about so best stay quiet I think.

Hit a nerve have we 'oh militant 1970's one'??.......get to work on Thursday and stop putting our childrens education at risk. There is a recession on at the moment and you privileged lot think you're immune from it......wake up and get real!! We all know what we need to know about it and if you walk out you should be stopped a MONTHS salary!!

Cant you post without swearing ????

I won't be in work and no children will be harmed as I am not a teacher, we all have our views but I have neither the time or inclination to argue with people on a message board. I bid you farewell.

I rest my case........NOW GET TO WORK!!!!!

Cant you post without swearing ????

I'll try!

Half off all your tax goes towards benifits.

Walk around where you live and I bet you will find a number of people playing the system

I'm going to pop to the shop.

I'm going to walk past a number of homes that are filled with Romanian families.

* Houseing and council tax paid.

* Benefits.

* Free health care and education.

And by law they are not allowed to work.

I'm no member of the EDL. They are a bunch of fags.

But the current EU set up we have with Romania just doesn't make sense to me and there is where the cut backs need to be made.

I live in the Cynon ( sign on ) valley and my mrs works for those who give money to the unemployed so I do know a bit , cant comment on Romanians Im afraid but our Polish Bus Drivers and Care Home Workers do a cracking job I do know tho that those on long term benefits are in for 1 hell of a shock over the coming months ! Personally I have no time for teachers that want to strike ..... I mean look at the amount of holidays they get annually ?? Thats a joke in itself

That's correct.

The Poles are allowed to work and I think do a pretty good job.

But the Romanians are NOT allowed to work.

I'd love an extra day off after my Bank Holiday! I'd love a four day weekend!

What everyone has to accept and understand is that we need the banks.

We need the money they bring in.

If we had not bailed them out we would be a 3rd world f*cking country.

New public sector workers, before the banks even fucked up, were not given the same pension scheme as past employees were as it simple cost to much.

Do you work for a bank?

You keep saying how great they are for this country.
I'm sorry but that's not the way I see it.
They make money out of creating nothing, we only need them as the system we have found ourselves stuck in is designed by them for them.
And I'd love to see the source you get your information from. Banks create 96% of Britains wealth......really?!?

What everyone has to accept and understand is that we need the banks.

We need the money they bring in.

If we had not bailed them out we would be a 3rd world f*cking country.

New public sector workers, before the banks even fucked up, were not given the same pension scheme as past employees were as it simple cost to much.

Do you work for a bank?

You keep saying how great they are for this country.
I'm sorry but that's not the way I see it.
They make money out of creating nothing, we only need them as the system we have found ourselves stuck in is designed by them for them.
And I'd love to see the source you get your information from. Banks create 96% of Britains wealth......really?!?

Manufacturing creates how much? Public sector creates how much?

You been sleeping for 30 years?

Go and work in the pits.....

Hang on, try factory work....

I'll find you something now.....

I work in porn.

Education is probably more important than anything.

Good teachers should be rewarded.

It's as simple as that.

Capitalism has almost run it's course, you just can't keep "adding on" when world resources are depleting and the population is rapidly increasing.

The global community needs to take responsibility and preventative action immediately otherwise mother nature is gonna give us a fair swoop off the back of her hand.

It's time to take action.

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What everyone has to accept and understand is that we need the banks.

We need the money they bring in.

If we had not bailed them out we would be a 3rd world f*cking country.

New public sector workers, before the banks even fucked up, were not given the same pension scheme as past employees were as it simple cost to much.

Do you work for a bank?

You keep saying how great they are for this country.
I'm sorry but that's not the way I see it.
They make money out of creating nothing, we only need them as the system we have found ourselves stuck in is designed by them for them.
And I'd love to see the source you get your information from. Banks create 96% of Britains wealth......really?!?

Manufacturing creates how much? Public sector creates how much?

What's that got to do with anything?
Banking is not manufacturing, they may fund a lot of it, but that is only since the system is built on debt.
I work in the private sector, but unlike you I have no problem with the public sector.
They perform a service which is much needed.
Life is not as simple as you make out anyway, some of the companies with the largest profits in the UK last year happen to also be the same companies that have taken over many of our public services. Coincidence? IS IT FECK

I suppose it ok then for us taxpayers to stump up the extra so that public sector workers can have a big fat pension, welcome to the real world

Hmmmmm... A fireman works for thirty years risking life and limb, pays into his pension fund
knowing its his nest egg for his retirement. Then the government he 'works' for turn round and
say sorry mate, we've fucked the country up, your pension is gone.

How very dare he put up a fight

Anyone who genuinely believes this country is 'skint' knows f**k all about the World Economy.

In a nutshell, what Britain is saying is that it owes (for instance) £500 billion, and must make
cuts in order that the Country doesnt go bankrupt.. its like having a 25yr mortgage and
crippling yourself to get it paid off in 5 yrs. Nobody is chasing Britain for money

Its all part of a plan to f**k the Public service Sector off (cos they are protected by the unions)

in a few years time, when your house is on fire, and a gang of Iraqi's turn up in a mini-bus with
buckets of water and a couple of fire extinguishers (Netto, special offer) you can be safe in the
knowledge that they wont be 'crippling' Britain with extravagant pension demands

Still talking complete shite. After what Carl posted you were wrong about Shearer.

They don't lose what they pay in. The Govt can't match and stick to the deal.

In the public sector your payments are mactched by your employer.

That doesn't happen in the private sector. Your employer won't match what you have paid in.

Have you got something wrong with you? Still on about Shearer??
Shearer could not cope with playing second fiddle to Bellamy. End of.

Public sector workers are being asked to pay up to THREE TIMES the amount
in contributions in exchange for far less than their original pension deals worth

THE GOVERNMENT ARE ASKING FOR MORE OFF THEM IN EXCHANGE FOR LESS

What are you on about??

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What's that got to do with anything?
Banking is not manufacturing, they may fund a lot of it, but that is only since the system is built on debt.
I work in the private sector, but unlike you I have no problem with the public sector.
They perform a service which is much needed.
Life is not as simple as you make out anyway, some of the companies with the largest profits in the UK last year happen to also be the same companies that have taken over many of our public services. Coincidence? IS IT FECK [/quote]

What?!?!?!

It have everything to doing with it.

f*cking hell!

We replaced our manufacturing industry with a service industry that is based around the banks in London.

Without the banks were would be fucked.

What would have to over the world?

Rover?

LOL!

Taffyapple -

You gave the impression that it's not really important that we pay the money we owe.

Your words:

In a nutshell, what Britain is saying is that it owes (for instance) £500 billion, and must make
cuts in order that the Country doesnt go bankrupt.. its like having a 25yr mortgage and
crippling yourself to get it paid off in 5 yrs. Nobody is chasing Britain for money

Do you know how f*cking dumb that is? What impact that would have?

And you said Shearer was not offered the job.

I said he was and he turned them down.

I was right and you were wrong.

Taffyapple -

You gave the impression that it's not really important that we pay the money we owe.

Your words:

In a nutshell, what Britain is saying is that it owes (for instance) £500 billion, and must make
cuts in order that the Country doesnt go bankrupt.. its like having a 25yr mortgage and
crippling yourself to get it paid off in 5 yrs. Nobody is chasing Britain for money

Do you know how f*cking dumb that is? What impact that would have?

And you said Shearer was not offered the job.

I said he was and he turned them down.

I was right and you were wrong.

You dont understand finance. Of course you pay back money you owe.
But you dont take a car loan out for £5k and pay it all back in 3 months
do you? The government are making out we are right in the shit...
erm... i dont see anyone knocking on our door for debt repayments do you?

As for Shearer.

Whether he was or wasnt offered a contract is up for debate, but one
undeniable fact is this:

WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO THE FINE PRINT, SHEARER MADE IT CLEAR HE
WAS NOT KEEN TO WORK WITH CRAIG BELLAMY, CARDIFF CITY MADE IT
CRYSTAL TO HIM THAT BELLAMY IS PART OF THIS CLUBS FUTURE WHETHER
BIG HEAD SHEARER LIKES IT OR NOT.

SHEARED SPAT HIS DUMMY OUT AND MADE A PUBLIC STATEMENT BECAUSE
HE WAS f*cking SCARED IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IT WAS CARDIFF DIDNT
WANT HIM, WHICH THEY DID, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS THEY WANTED BELLAMY.

SHEARER CANNOT HANDLE NOT BEING THE BIG MAN

No, you don't understand global economics.

Did you just try and compare it do a f*cking car loan? f*cking HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You do know that we are in this mess due to people failing to make re-payments and your answer is to do that on a global scale?

That would start another monster crash. Much bigger than the last one.

And do you also know 96% of our GDP is based around the banks?

f*cking hell!!!!

It's just like a car re-payments......LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What are you doing here? Get on the first plan to Greece and tell them that no one will be knocking on the door!

No, you don't understand global economics.

Did you just try and compare it do a f*cking car loan? f*cking HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its as simple as that

Who exactly is putting the squeeze on The UK??
Nobody is.
Britains credit rating (if you like) is no worse now than it was 10 years ago.
that is a fact.
If this country was on the verge of going under
Do you really think we would be still giving billions away in economic aid??

Its POLITICS, Its always politics. Everything is Politics.