Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:44 am
Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:17 pm
Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:43 pm
Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:44 pm
quadsas wrote:Big Boss Man wrote:Nope.
Cos I understand the difference between Boyd and Miller.
But don't forget to check out what Boyd did at Forest when the team was built around his style of play.
What's the difference between Boyd and Miller then? Boyd is better than Miller in basically every aspect of the game.
Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:36 pm
Elwood Blues wrote:quadsas wrote:Big Boss Man wrote:Nope.
Cos I understand the difference between Boyd and Miller.
But don't forget to check out what Boyd did at Forest when the team was built around his style of play.
What's the difference between Boyd and Miller then? Boyd is better than Miller in basically every aspect of the game.
Boyd has a better goal scoring record.
But to an extent that is because he is a far more selfish player than Miller.
Boyd plays for Boyd. He plays to get as many goals for himself as possible and does not hold up the ball or work hard for the team.
MIller is a more unselfish team player.
To say Boyd is bettr in basically eevry aspect of the game is rubbish.
Malky obvioulsy rates him. So does Nathan Blake and with respect I would rather their views than someone who in another thread seems to base at least some of his opinions on Football Manager!!!
Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:40 pm
Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:45 pm
quadsas wrote:If you are that stupid and don't understand why I did mention FM in another thread, then I don't have to reply at all. But if you aren't, then you should realise that FM portrays players abilities way better than anyone on this forum does, real scouts use FM (in case you didn't know), hundreds of people work on scouting alone on FM, and we know JACK SHIT about Rudy, so FM is the best we can guess, and people still see FM just as game, when it also is one of most powerful scouting engines ever
Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:48 pm
Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:49 pm
nerd wrote:quadsas wrote:If you are that stupid and don't understand why I did mention FM in another thread, then I don't have to reply at all. But if you aren't, then you should realise that FM portrays players abilities way better than anyone on this forum does, real scouts use FM (in case you didn't know), hundreds of people work on scouting alone on FM, and we know JACK SHIT about Rudy, so FM is the best we can guess, and people still see FM just as game, when it also is one of most powerful scouting engines ever
Hyperbole much?
Stats for players in FM are generated by fans. TOBW on CCMB compiles Cardiff data. That's why data isn't always accurate. Anybody can look at data and think, "hmmm". One example is Darcy Blake's passing, which is often shocking in real life. It's also why data patches are regularly released. It's also why Sega's forums ( well, when up ) have a forum for people to give data corrections.
That's also why you see "wonder" players quickly found and bought by people in the game who never pan out in real life.
Real scouts may look at FM data - although even then, only the start data would be remotely useful because stats improve with training. It would play such a minor part of any scout's role though.
Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:54 pm
quadsas wrote:Well wonder players are players who were hyped but never lived up to it. obv data will not be correct 100% of times, but who would you trust - a person who have seen him play numerous of times, or a guy who watched one friendly?
Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:59 pm
nerd wrote:quadsas wrote:Well wonder players are players who were hyped but never lived up to it. obv data will not be correct 100% of times, but who would you trust - a person who have seen him play numerous of times, or a guy who watched one friendly?
If that was true, there wouldn't need to be data corrections - even of basic things like positions.
The people making the assessment, boiling skills down to a value between 1 and 20 are fans. Not professional trained athletes, not professional scouts.
Those skill forms are sent in, values are normalised at SI. Mostly to make sure people aren't vastly overrating squads...
Equally, you've only got to look at forums like this to see peoples opinion on players differing wildly - and those people have seen numerous matches.
Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:51 pm
Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:21 pm
Big Boss Man wrote:I'm shocked that some think Kenny Miller is a bad signing.
It really goes to show the lack of football IQ that some Cardiff fans have.
'But look what he did a Derby........" - Miller wasn't the only player we have signed that played in that Derby team. We brought home another striker this season who scored less than Miller did in that Derby team.
Both Chops and Jay had failed to make an impact in football before they came here.
Miller is only 31. He is still in his prime and will get 30 goals in this league.
Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:27 pm
taffyapple wrote:Big Boss Man wrote:I'm shocked that some think Kenny Miller is a bad signing.
It really goes to show the lack of football IQ that some Cardiff fans have.
'But look what he did a Derby........" - Miller wasn't the only player we have signed that played in that Derby team. We brought home another striker this season who scored less than Miller did in that Derby team.
Both Chops and Jay had failed to make an impact in football before they came here.
Miller is only 31. He is still in his prime and will get 30 goals in this league.
You and me argue about everything
But you've hit the nail on the head here.
When comments were made about how Miller done nowt at Derby it just underlined
that some mugs googled him on wikipedia. But failed to notice that Derby scored the
lowest number of goals ever that season, and scored the lowest ever amount of points
ever in the Premiership, and only won TWO goals all season. He scored FIVE goals in a
team that only scored 20 altogether.
Miller is a cleverer player than Earnie. Malky has said how he thinks they can build up a
great partnership? I'm not so sure, but Malky knows more than I do.
Miller is a very good signing. I dont actually like him, but he's going to be a very important
part of the team this season. He's not as lightweight as Earnie and is prepared to get
stuck in, and is taller. It could work?
Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:37 pm
Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:38 pm
Big Boss Man wrote:Am I the only person who thinks Miller is better than Chops?
Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:11 am
quadsas wrote:Elwood Blues wrote:
Boyd has a better goal scoring record.
But to an extent that is because he is a far more selfish player than Miller.
Boyd plays for Boyd. He plays to get as many goals for himself as possible and does not hold up the ball or work hard for the team.
MIller is a more unselfish team player.
To say Boyd is better in basically eevry aspect of the game is rubbish.
Malky obvioulsy rates him. So does Nathan Blake and with respect I would rather their views than someone who in another thread seems to base at least some of his opinions on Football Manager!!!
If you are that stupid and don't understand why I did mention FM in another thread, then I don't have to reply at all. But if you aren't, then you should realise that FM portrays players abilities way better than anyone on this forum does, real scouts use FM (in case you didn't know), hundreds of people work on scouting alone on FM, and we know JACK SHIT about Rudy, so FM is the best we can guess, and people still see FM just as game, when it also is one of most powerful scouting engines ever