For all the Welsh independence idiots...

Step 1 – Declare independence
To establish a new country, the country must first satisfy the international laws – rules that all free countries generally acknowledge and follow – set forth by the Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States, adopted in 1933.

The Montevideo Convention requires that a country must declare its intentions, which Southern Sudan did when a January referendum let the world know that people in the region plan to secede from its northern counterpart this summer. New countries are also required to exist within a clearly defined territory, and South Sudan's ongoing dispute with Northern Sudan over the two nations' official boundaries could hamper that process.

Another requirement – that the country have a permanent population – necessitates that Southern Sudan negotiate the issues of citizenship and residency, as millions of southerners work in the north and vice versa.

South Sudan has already met the requirement that the new country must have a government, with Sudan's current vice president Salva Kiir Mayardit already elected to serve as South Sudan's first president. The requirement that the country must be able to enter into relations with other sovereign states also appears to be met, as the U.S. has already set up a diplomatic mission in Sudan's southern capital, Juba.

Step 2 – Gain recognition

In order to be legitimate, a new country must be recognized by existing states within the international community. Each existing state bestows recognition at its own discretion, and several entities (including Taiwan, Palestine and Kosovo) are recognized as legitimate states by some countries, but not by others. In the U.S., the decision to grant a country recognition is made by the president, and President Barack Obama declared on Feb. 2 that the U.S. will recognize southern Sudan as a new, independent country in July. Experts are optimistic that other countries will recognize the Republic of South Sudan.

"Sudan is almost certain to be guaranteed recognition," Alexander J. Motyl, a political science professor at Rutgers University-Newark and the author of "Imperial Ends: The Decline, Collapse, and Revival of Empires" (Columbia University Press, 2001), told Life's Little Mysteries. "The referendum was recognized by the international community and the U.S. in particular, and it's generally recognized as having been the victim of genocide. Hence: their grievance and the legal procedure are both considered legitimate."

Step 3 – Join the United Nations

The United Nations asserts that, because it itself is not a country, it does not possess any authority to recognize a state or government. But being admitted into the U.N. goes a long way toward a new country becoming recognized by the international community.

In order to apply for U.N. membership, the aspiring country first needs to send an application letter, along with a declaration that it will follow the United Nations charter, to U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon. The application is then passed along to the Security Council, where it must get the affirmative votes of at least nine of the 15-member Council. If any of the council's five permanent members (China, France, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the U.S.) vote against the country, the application does not go forward.

If approved, the Council's recommendation for admission is then presented to the General Assembly for consideration, which consists of the current 192 U.N. member states. A two-thirds majority vote is needed for the new country to gain admission into the U.N., and if approved, its membership becomes effective on the date the resolution for admission is adopted.

Only one idiot on this thread and its the knob who started it.

Irrespective of whether i'm pro or anti Welsh Independance. Is there something or some
requirement of this 'copy and paste' that Wales could not satisfy?

Step 1 – Declare independence
To establish a new country, the country must first satisfy the international laws – rules that all free countries generally acknowledge and follow – set forth by the Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States, adopted in 1933.

The Montevideo Convention requires that a country must declare its intentions, which Southern Sudan did when a January referendum let the world know that people in the region plan to secede from its northern counterpart this summer. New countries are also required to exist within a clearly defined territory, and South Sudan's ongoing dispute with Northern Sudan over the two nations' official boundaries could hamper that process.

YES, WALES CAN SAY.. WE WANT TO GO IT ALONE, AND THERE ARE NO BOUNDARY ISSUES

Another requirement – that the country have a permanent population – necessitates that Southern Sudan negotiate the issues of citizenship and residency, as millions of southerners work in the north and vice versa.

ERM, WALES HAS HAD A PERMANENT POPULATION FOR MANY HUNDREDS OF YEARS

South Sudan has already met the requirement that the new country must have a government, with Sudan's current vice president Salva Kiir Mayardit already elected to serve as South Sudan's first president. The requirement that the country must be able to enter into relations with other sovereign states also appears to be met, as the U.S. has already set up a diplomatic mission in Sudan's southern capital, Juba.

WALES ALREADY HAS A GOVERNMENT OF SORTS, AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER

Step 2 – Gain recognition

In order to be legitimate, a new country must be recognized by existing states within the international community. Each existing state bestows recognition at its own discretion, and several entities (including Taiwan, Palestine and Kosovo) are recognized as legitimate states by some countries, but not by others. In the U.S., the decision to grant a country recognition is made by the president, and President Barack Obama declared on Feb. 2 that the U.S. will recognize southern Sudan as a new, independent country in July. Experts are optimistic that other countries will recognize the Republic of South Sudan.

"Sudan is almost certain to be guaranteed recognition," Alexander J. Motyl, a political science professor at Rutgers University-Newark and the author of "Imperial Ends: The Decline, Collapse, and Revival of Empires" (Columbia University Press, 2001), told Life's Little Mysteries. "The referendum was recognized by the international community and the U.S. in particular, and it's generally recognized as having been the victim of genocide. Hence: their grievance and the legal procedure are both considered legitimate."

HELLO WE'RE WALES SHOULD DO THAT

Step 3 – Join the United Nations

The United Nations asserts that, because it itself is not a country, it does not possess any authority to recognize a state or government. But being admitted into the U.N. goes a long way toward a new country becoming recognized by the international community.

In order to apply for U.N. membership, the aspiring country first needs to send an application letter, along with a declaration that it will follow the United Nations charter, to U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon. The application is then passed along to the Security Council, where it must get the affirmative votes of at least nine of the 15-member Council. If any of the council's five permanent members (China, France, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the U.S.) vote against the country, the application does not go forward.

If approved, the Council's recommendation for admission is then presented to the General Assembly for consideration, which consists of the current 192 U.N. member states. A two-thirds majority vote is needed for the new country to gain admission into the U.N., and if approved, its membership becomes effective on the date the resolution for admission is adopted.

SEND A LETTER EH? IM SURE WE CAN FIND A WELSHMAN WHO CAN WRITE, ALSO, 'BRITAIN' AS
IT STANDS WOULD BE QUITE HAPPY TO CUT THE APRON STRINGS WITH WALES AS WE HAVE
NO NATURAL RESOURCES LEFT FOR THEM TO PLUNDER, CURRENTLY, WALES IS JUST ANOTHER EXPENSE TO
THE GOVERNMENT IN LONDON

Taffyapple

Taffyapple

Well!! its the stupidest post i've seen in a long time.

In fact, it could be used as a recruiting drive for Welsh Nationalism:

"f**k me butt, is THAT all we've got to do!"

Only one idiot on this thread and its the knob who started it.

Irrespective of whether i'm pro or anti Welsh Independance. Is there something or some
requirement of this 'copy and paste' that Wales could not satisfy?

Step 1 – Declare independence
To establish a new country, the country must first satisfy the international laws – rules that all free countries generally acknowledge and follow – set forth by the Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States, adopted in 1933.

The Montevideo Convention requires that a country must declare its intentions, which Southern Sudan did when a January referendum let the world know that people in the region plan to secede from its northern counterpart this summer. New countries are also required to exist within a clearly defined territory, and South Sudan's ongoing dispute with Northern Sudan over the two nations' official boundaries could hamper that process.

YES, WALES CAN SAY.. WE WANT TO GO IT ALONE, AND THERE ARE NO BOUNDARY ISSUES

Another requirement – that the country have a permanent population – necessitates that Southern Sudan negotiate the issues of citizenship and residency, as millions of southerners work in the north and vice versa.

ERM, WALES HAS HAD A PERMANENT POPULATION FOR MANY HUNDREDS OF YEARS

South Sudan has already met the requirement that the new country must have a government, with Sudan's current vice president Salva Kiir Mayardit already elected to serve as South Sudan's first president. The requirement that the country must be able to enter into relations with other sovereign states also appears to be met, as the U.S. has already set up a diplomatic mission in Sudan's southern capital, Juba.

WALES ALREADY HAS A GOVERNMENT OF SORTS, AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER

Step 2 – Gain recognition

In order to be legitimate, a new country must be recognized by existing states within the international community. Each existing state bestows recognition at its own discretion, and several entities (including Taiwan, Palestine and Kosovo) are recognized as legitimate states by some countries, but not by others. In the U.S., the decision to grant a country recognition is made by the president, and President Barack Obama declared on Feb. 2 that the U.S. will recognize southern Sudan as a new, independent country in July. Experts are optimistic that other countries will recognize the Republic of South Sudan.

"Sudan is almost certain to be guaranteed recognition," Alexander J. Motyl, a political science professor at Rutgers University-Newark and the author of "Imperial Ends: The Decline, Collapse, and Revival of Empires" (Columbia University Press, 2001), told Life's Little Mysteries. "The referendum was recognized by the international community and the U.S. in particular, and it's generally recognized as having been the victim of genocide. Hence: their grievance and the legal procedure are both considered legitimate."

HELLO WE'RE WALES SHOULD DO THAT

Step 3 – Join the United Nations

The United Nations asserts that, because it itself is not a country, it does not possess any authority to recognize a state or government. But being admitted into the U.N. goes a long way toward a new country becoming recognized by the international community.

In order to apply for U.N. membership, the aspiring country first needs to send an application letter, along with a declaration that it will follow the United Nations charter, to U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon. The application is then passed along to the Security Council, where it must get the affirmative votes of at least nine of the 15-member Council. If any of the council's five permanent members (China, France, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the U.S.) vote against the country, the application does not go forward.

If approved, the Council's recommendation for admission is then presented to the General Assembly for consideration, which consists of the current 192 U.N. member states. A two-thirds majority vote is needed for the new country to gain admission into the U.N., and if approved, its membership becomes effective on the date the resolution for admission is adopted.

SEND A LETTER EH? IM SURE WE CAN FIND A WELSHMAN WHO CAN WRITE, ALSO, 'BRITAIN' AS
IT STANDS WOULD BE QUITE HAPPY TO CUT THE APRON STRINGS WITH WALES AS WE HAVE
NO NATURAL RESOURCES LEFT FOR THEM TO PLUNDER, CURRENTLY, WALES IS JUST ANOTHER EXPENSE TO
THE GOVERNMENT IN LONDON

It has recently been discovered that Wales has £70 billion of shale gas beneath our soil. That's about 5 times our total annual budget. We would be a very wealthy small country as that money could be invested in education and training as well as improving our health and would help us to build a modern transport system to provide jobs for the future.

So whats the point of having a WAG?

Its one of the reasons I votes against devolution in 1979, most if not everything still had to go through Parliament.

What an incredible post. Copy and paste a how to be an independant country article, and call everyone who would like to progress with it an idiot without any counter arguement. Taffyapple is right, there is only one idiot here.
Our culture, language and traditions are preserved and are the envy of our revolting neighbours. The next step is logical.
The Sais have allowed their country to rot, we cannot allow it to happen to ours.
England, (as a country not as a people) has lost it values and respect for its self. We do not have to be tied up in it.

What an incredible post. Copy and paste a how to be an independant country article, and call everyone who would like to progress with it an idiot without any counter arguement. Taffyapple is right, there is only one idiot here.
Our culture, language and traditions are preserved and are the envy of our revolting neighbours. The next step is logical.
The Sais have allowed their country to rot, we cannot allow it to happen to ours.
England, (as a country not as a people) has lost it values and respect for its self. We do not have to be tied up in it.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but dont the people make the country ??

Only one idiot on this thread and its the knob who started it.

Irrespective of whether i'm pro or anti Welsh Independance. Is there something or some
requirement of this 'copy and paste' that Wales could not satisfy?

Step 1 – Declare independence
To establish a new country, the country must first satisfy the international laws – rules that all free countries generally acknowledge and follow – set forth by the Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States, adopted in 1933.

The Montevideo Convention requires that a country must declare its intentions, which Southern Sudan did when a January referendum let the world know that people in the region plan to secede from its northern counterpart this summer. New countries are also required to exist within a clearly defined territory, and South Sudan's ongoing dispute with Northern Sudan over the two nations' official boundaries could hamper that process.

YES, WALES CAN SAY.. WE WANT TO GO IT ALONE, AND THERE ARE NO BOUNDARY ISSUES

Another requirement – that the country have a permanent population – necessitates that Southern Sudan negotiate the issues of citizenship and residency, as millions of southerners work in the north and vice versa.

ERM, WALES HAS HAD A PERMANENT POPULATION FOR MANY HUNDREDS OF YEARS

South Sudan has already met the requirement that the new country must have a government, with Sudan's current vice president Salva Kiir Mayardit already elected to serve as South Sudan's first president. The requirement that the country must be able to enter into relations with other sovereign states also appears to be met, as the U.S. has already set up a diplomatic mission in Sudan's southern capital, Juba.

WALES ALREADY HAS A GOVERNMENT OF SORTS, AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER

Step 2 – Gain recognition

In order to be legitimate, a new country must be recognized by existing states within the international community. Each existing state bestows recognition at its own discretion, and several entities (including Taiwan, Palestine and Kosovo) are recognized as legitimate states by some countries, but not by others. In the U.S., the decision to grant a country recognition is made by the president, and President Barack Obama declared on Feb. 2 that the U.S. will recognize southern Sudan as a new, independent country in July. Experts are optimistic that other countries will recognize the Republic of South Sudan.

"Sudan is almost certain to be guaranteed recognition," Alexander J. Motyl, a political science professor at Rutgers University-Newark and the author of "Imperial Ends: The Decline, Collapse, and Revival of Empires" (Columbia University Press, 2001), told Life's Little Mysteries. "The referendum was recognized by the international community and the U.S. in particular, and it's generally recognized as having been the victim of genocide. Hence: their grievance and the legal procedure are both considered legitimate."

HELLO WE'RE WALES SHOULD DO THAT

Step 3 – Join the United Nations

The United Nations asserts that, because it itself is not a country, it does not possess any authority to recognize a state or government. But being admitted into the U.N. goes a long way toward a new country becoming recognized by the international community.

In order to apply for U.N. membership, the aspiring country first needs to send an application letter, along with a declaration that it will follow the United Nations charter, to U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon. The application is then passed along to the Security Council, where it must get the affirmative votes of at least nine of the 15-member Council. If any of the council's five permanent members (China, France, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the U.S.) vote against the country, the application does not go forward.

If approved, the Council's recommendation for admission is then presented to the General Assembly for consideration, which consists of the current 192 U.N. member states. A two-thirds majority vote is needed for the new country to gain admission into the U.N., and if approved, its membership becomes effective on the date the resolution for admission is adopted.

SEND A LETTER EH? IM SURE WE CAN FIND A WELSHMAN WHO CAN WRITE, ALSO, 'BRITAIN' AS
IT STANDS WOULD BE QUITE HAPPY TO CUT THE APRON STRINGS WITH WALES AS WE HAVE
NO NATURAL RESOURCES LEFT FOR THEM TO PLUNDER, CURRENTLY, WALES IS JUST ANOTHER EXPENSE TO
THE GOVERNMENT IN LONDON

It has recently been discovered that Wales has £70 billion of shale gas beneath our soil. That's about 5 times our total annual budget. We would be a very wealthy small country as that money could be invested in education and training as well as improving our health and would help us to build a modern transport system to provide jobs for the future.

Welsh local authorities, the WAG and nearby public are against this kind of drilling. It is only going ahead because the UK government can override their objections.

Rightly or wrongly, if Wales ever did achieve 'independance' the new Welsh government
would also ride roughshod over the local Authorities and public opinion. "The greater
good" would be the quote. If the choice was drill or go skint... no contest

Happy to be part of the UK.

Don't want to end up like the Irish.

What would you do when the 70 billion ran out?

What an incredible post. Copy and paste a how to be an independant country article, and call everyone who would like to progress with it an idiot without any counter arguement. Taffyapple is right, there is only one idiot here.
Our culture, language and traditions are preserved and are the envy of our revolting neighbours. The next step is logical.
The Sais have allowed their country to rot, we cannot allow it to happen to ours.
England, (as a country not as a people) has lost it values and respect for its self. We do not have to be tied up in it.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but dont the people make the country ??

They should, but do they?
Look at all the polls (not poles) in England that comment on law and order, immigration, etc. These are not opinions that are followed by the goverment. Granted the govt are elected by the people... usually.
There are many proud English people, but to an outsider looking in at least, they have not been proud of their culture, laws, empire achievements or religion for a long time.

What an incredible post. Copy and paste a how to be an independant country article, and call everyone who would like to progress with it an idiot without any counter arguement. Taffyapple is right, there is only one idiot here.
Our culture, language and traditions are preserved and are the envy of our revolting neighbours. The next step is logical.
The Sais have allowed their country to rot, we cannot allow it to happen to ours.
England, (as a country not as a people) has lost it values and respect for its self. We do not have to be tied up in it.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but dont the people make the country ??

They should, but do they?
Look at all the polls (not poles) in England that comment on law and order, immigration, etc. These are not opinions that are followed by the goverment. Granted the govt are elected by the people... usually.
There are many proud English people, but to an outsider looking in at least, they have not been proud of their culture, laws, empire achievements or religion for a long time.

Of course they do.

I really dont know where you're coming from when you say the English are envious of the Welsh language. 6% of Welsh people use Welsh as a first language so you could say we're not that proud of it. I'm born and bred Cardiff and still live here and i can quite honestly say i cant speak a word of it. In fact i dont know anyone who can.

As for tradition it's quite clear to me from my travels following the City everyone thinks we shag sheep. So unless they like male voice choirs and Eisteddfod's why would they be envious of our tradition's.

I respect your views, but no way are the English envious of us, and talking of polls a recent one in England suggested 68% of English wanted independance from the UK.

Taffy Apple.................

What an incredible post. Copy and paste a how to be an independant country article, and call everyone who would like to progress with it an idiot without any counter arguement. Taffyapple is right, there is only one idiot here.
Our culture, language and traditions are preserved and are the envy of our revolting neighbours. The next step is logical.
The Sais have allowed their country to rot, we cannot allow it to happen to ours.
England, (as a country not as a people) has lost it values and respect for its self. We do not have to be tied up in it.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but dont the people make the country ??

They should, but do they?
Look at all the polls (not poles) in England that comment on law and order, immigration, etc. These are not opinions that are followed by the goverment. Granted the govt are elected by the people... usually.
There are many proud English people, but to an outsider looking in at least, they have not been proud of their culture, laws, empire achievements or religion for a long time.

Of course they do.

I really dont know where you're coming from when you say the English are envious of the Welsh language. 6% of Welsh people use Welsh as a first language so you could say we're not that proud of it. I'm born and bred Cardiff and still live here and i can quite honestly say i cant speak a word of it. In fact i dont know anyone who can.

As for tradition it's quite clear to me from my travels following the City everyone thinks we shag sheep. So unless they like male voice choirs and Eisteddfod's why would they be envious of our tradition's.

I respect your views, but no way are the English envious of us, and talking of polls a recent one in England suggested 68% of English wanted independance from the UK.

And I respect your views.
By language, I mean the heritage and history that goes with it, not just the spoken word.
There is a bigger Wales out there than just Cardiff mate. Tens of thousands of people speak Welsh and children in schools are now learining Welsh properly.
And you are right about the English majority wanting English independance, but again they wont get the choice. And that was my original point (I think!)

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... -29154539/

There was a study saying that if Wales gained independence, wales would be 39% richer.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2011/08/01/international-body-grants-wales-country-status-after-principality-error-91466-29154539/

One step at a time.

Fe godwn ni eto