Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:05 am
Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:42 am
oohahhPaulMillar wrote:Like most people on here I will never be able to totally forgive Tan for his ridiculous rebrand decision.
However, with the buzz back at the City, and everyone players, management and fans pulling together, is it time for Vinnie to start attending games again???
Will he be welcomed back by most of the city fans???
Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:01 am
Ebbw Blue wrote:oohahhPaulMillar wrote:Like most people on here I will never be able to totally forgive Tan for his ridiculous rebrand decision.
However, with the buzz back at the City, and everyone players, management and fans pulling together, is it time for Vinnie to start attending games again???
Will he be welcomed back by most of the city fans???
I personally will never forgive or forget what he done. He turned fans against each other and showed a total disrespect to the fans of our club.
The best solution for all parties is Tan to sell the club and cut all ties with the club.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:04 am
Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:13 am
Ebbw Blue wrote:oohahhPaulMillar wrote:Like most people on here I will never be able to totally forgive Tan for his ridiculous rebrand decision.
However, with the buzz back at the City, and everyone players, management and fans pulling together, is it time for Vinnie to start attending games again???
Will he be welcomed back by most of the city fans???
I personally will never forgive or forget what he done. He turned fans against each other and showed a total disrespect to the fans of our club.
The best solution for all parties is Tan to sell the club and cut all ties with the club.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:14 am
Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:16 am
Jules wrote:Take the eye patch off for a minute and look at the good he has also done for the club. Yes there was upset and hostility but IMO he has learnt and tried more than he needed to put the wrongs right, which I think he should be applauded for.
I will certainly clap him when he attends as without him would we even be having this conversation.
ps.Sven you have PM.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:19 am
Ebbw Blue wrote:No I will not welcome him back. People need to remember the amount of debt we are carrying is down to Tan.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:28 am
Jules wrote:Take the eye patch off for a minute and look at the good he has also done for the club. Yes there was upset and hostility but IMO he has learnt and tried more than he needed to put the wrongs right, which I think he should be applauded for.
I will certainly clap him when he attends as without him would we even be having this conversation.
ps.Sven you have PM.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:38 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Ebbw Blue wrote:No I will not welcome him back. People need to remember the amount of debt we are carrying is down to Tan.
Debt which is all owed to him and is not going anywhere. Also don't forget he has written off £20m of that debt and will one day do the same with the rest.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:52 am
Ebbw Blue wrote:No I will not welcome him back. People need to remember the amount of debt we are carrying is down to Tan.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:54 am
Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:12 am
Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:28 am
Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:54 am
GotMeSingingTheBlues wrote:Not for me, I'd rather him stay away. Things have felt a lot more together with him not around. The club has turned itself around in terms of its every day running and no doubt Tan has learnt from some of his mistakes and has had a part to play but let him stay in Malaysia. We're back to being the true Cardiff City, The Bluebirds, something which he wanted to destroy why would we want someone like that in the stands.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:01 am
Ebbw Blue wrote:oohahhPaulMillar wrote:Like most people on here I will never be able to totally forgive Tan for his ridiculous rebrand decision.
However, with the buzz back at the City, and everyone players, management and fans pulling together, is it time for Vinnie to start attending games again???
Will he be welcomed back by most of the city fans???
I personally will never forgive or forget what he done. He turned fans against each other and showed a total disrespect to the fans of our club.
The best solution for all parties is Tan to sell the club and cut all ties with the club.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:11 am
Forever Blue wrote:Ebbw Blue wrote:oohahhPaulMillar wrote:Like most people on here I will never be able to totally forgive Tan for his ridiculous rebrand decision.
However, with the buzz back at the City, and everyone players, management and fans pulling together, is it time for Vinnie to start attending games again???
Will he be welcomed back by most of the city fans???
I personally will never forgive or forget what he done. He turned fans against each other and showed a total disrespect to the fans of our club.
The best solution for all parties is Tan to sell the club and cut all ties with the club.
Darren, I am 100% with you and thats my strong belief/opinion, I just can't ever forgive or forget those years, the most hurtful ever watching City
Pointless anyone trying to persuade me or change my mind, I never will.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:12 am
Ebbw Blue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Ebbw Blue wrote:oohahhPaulMillar wrote:Like most people on here I will never be able to totally forgive Tan for his ridiculous rebrand decision.
However, with the buzz back at the City, and everyone players, management and fans pulling together, is it time for Vinnie to start attending games again???
Will he be welcomed back by most of the city fans???
I personally will never forgive or forget what he done. He turned fans against each other and showed a total disrespect to the fans of our club.
The best solution for all parties is Tan to sell the club and cut all ties with the club.
Darren, I am 100% with you and thats my strong belief/opinion, I just can't ever forgive or forget those years, the most hurtful ever watching City
Pointless anyone trying to persuade me or change my mind, I never will.
Annis I am same as you, what should have been the highlight of watching City was a total nightmare
Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:14 am
dogfound wrote:Ebbw Blue wrote:No I will not welcome him back. People need to remember the amount of debt we are carrying is down to Tan.
he was prepared to drop the rebrand and not invest the 100 million.was then convinced by others that the original anti rebrand outbursts was knee jerk reaction and given the choice investment /possible sucess was wanted..and lets face it how many demanded their ST money back like the club offered.?..were crowds effected by the rebrand..?..and where were the imediate on going daily protests at the club..youd get more resistence if asda cafe took beans off the cafe menu is truth.
lots of people decided to take a stance AFTER he spent his loot
so it could be argued that our fans at the time were equally resposible, besides when he does leave the debt will either leave with him or not matter to the new owner...and it hasnt stopped us signing players.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:20 am
Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:20 am
Man of Harlech wrote:dogfound wrote:Ebbw Blue wrote:No I will not welcome him back. People need to remember the amount of debt we are carrying is down to Tan.
he was prepared to drop the rebrand and not invest the 100 million.was then convinced by others that the original anti rebrand outbursts was knee jerk reaction and given the choice investment /possible sucess was wanted..and lets face it how many demanded their ST money back like the club offered.?..were crowds effected by the rebrand..?..and where were the imediate on going daily protests at the club..youd get more resistence if asda cafe took beans off the cafe menu is truth.
lots of people decided to take a stance AFTER he spent his loot
so it could be argued that our fans at the time were equally resposible, besides when he does leave the debt will either leave with him or not matter to the new owner...and it hasnt stopped us signing players.
Dogfound you are absolutely right but you are wasting your time. You can keep telling the truth until you are blue in the face but some, like Blue Ebbw, would rather wallow in their ignorant hatred. I do wonder whether such people were around when we were wondering from week to week whether the club would survive another, or when we were so badly funded that supporters had to finance the acquisition of players of the quality of Nogan,
Nomatter what the moaners may wish to believe Tan continues to bankroll this club and I would personally have
him back rather that listen to the continual moaning by such negative influences.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:23 am
Man of Harlech wrote:dogfound wrote:Ebbw Blue wrote:No I will not welcome him back. People need to remember the amount of debt we are carrying is down to Tan.
he was prepared to drop the rebrand and not invest the 100 million.was then convinced by others that the original anti rebrand outbursts was knee jerk reaction and given the choice investment /possible sucess was wanted..and lets face it how many demanded their ST money back like the club offered.?..were crowds effected by the rebrand..?..and where were the imediate on going daily protests at the club..youd get more resistence if asda cafe took beans off the cafe menu is truth.
lots of people decided to take a stance AFTER he spent his loot
so it could be argued that our fans at the time were equally resposible, besides when he does leave the debt will either leave with him or not matter to the new owner...and it hasnt stopped us signing players.
Dogfound you are absolutely right but you are wasting your time. You can keep telling the truth until you are blue in the face but some, like Blue Ebbw, would rather wallow in their ignorant hatred. I do wonder whether such people were around when we were wondering from week to week whether the club would survive another, or when we were so badly funded that supporters had to finance the acquisition of players of the quality of Nogan,
Nomatter what the moaners may wish to believe Tan continues to bankroll this club and I would personally have
him back rather that listen to the continual moaning by such negative influences.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:24 am
Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:24 am
Ebbw Blue wrote:Man of Harlech wrote:dogfound wrote:Ebbw Blue wrote:No I will not welcome him back. People need to remember the amount of debt we are carrying is down to Tan.
he was prepared to drop the rebrand and not invest the 100 million.was then convinced by others that the original anti rebrand outbursts was knee jerk reaction and given the choice investment /possible sucess was wanted..and lets face it how many demanded their ST money back like the club offered.?..were crowds effected by the rebrand..?..and where were the imediate on going daily protests at the club..youd get more resistence if asda cafe took beans off the cafe menu is truth.
lots of people decided to take a stance AFTER he spent his loot
so it could be argued that our fans at the time were equally resposible, besides when he does leave the debt will either leave with him or not matter to the new owner...and it hasnt stopped us signing players.
Dogfound you are absolutely right but you are wasting your time. You can keep telling the truth until you are blue in the face but some, like Blue Ebbw, would rather wallow in their ignorant hatred. I do wonder whether such people were around when we were wondering from week to week whether the club would survive another, or when we were so badly funded that supporters had to finance the acquisition of players of the quality of Nogan,
Nomatter what the moaners may wish to believe Tan continues to bankroll this club and I would personally have
him back rather that listen to the continual moaning by such negative influences.
If you want to personally slate me, you may want to try and get your facts right. Yes I was there in the very bad days and only too well remember them.
Obviously a season in the premiership means more to you than having the clubs history destroyed
Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:28 am
Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:48 am
Ebbw Blue wrote:No I will not welcome him back. People need to remember the amount of debt we are carrying is down to Tan.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:50 am
Forever Blue wrote:Ebbw Blue wrote:Man of Harlech wrote:dogfound wrote:Ebbw Blue wrote:No I will not welcome him back. People need to remember the amount of debt we are carrying is down to Tan.
he was prepared to drop the rebrand and not invest the 100 million.was then convinced by others that the original anti rebrand outbursts was knee jerk reaction and given the choice investment /possible sucess was wanted..and lets face it how many demanded their ST money back like the club offered.?..were crowds effected by the rebrand..?..and where were the imediate on going daily protests at the club..youd get more resistence if asda cafe took beans off the cafe menu is truth.
lots of people decided to take a stance AFTER he spent his loot
so it could be argued that our fans at the time were equally resposible, besides when he does leave the debt will either leave with him or not matter to the new owner...and it hasnt stopped us signing players.
Dogfound you are absolutely right but you are wasting your time. You can keep telling the truth until you are blue in the face but some, like Blue Ebbw, would rather wallow in their ignorant hatred. I do wonder whether such people were around when we were wondering from week to week whether the club would survive another, or when we were so badly funded that supporters had to finance the acquisition of players of the quality of Nogan,
Nomatter what the moaners may wish to believe Tan continues to bankroll this club and I would personally have
him back rather that listen to the continual moaning by such negative influences.
If you want to personally slate me, you may want to try and get your facts right. Yes I was there in the very bad days and only too well remember them.
Obviously a season in the premiership means more to you than having the clubs history destroyed
I can back Darren(Blue Ebbw) on that, he was there through some of our worst days on the pitch,when our club was in the 4th division and for many fans like Darren and myself, there was not many of us there in them days when the club really needed supporters,but at least we felt proud and had passion for our club and glory was not put before history/identity and pride.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:52 am
davids wrote:Ebbw Blue wrote:No I will not welcome him back. People need to remember the amount of debt we are carrying is down to Tan.
I must have forgotten what a well run, debt free club we were before Tan arrived!
Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:59 am
Nickoblue23 wrote:Read this and it should balance your argument on where we would be without Tan!!! Good or bad he's the only guy in last 30 years who's actually put money into the club and not robbed it for every penny it has!!! Club is all pulling together now, he's admitted his mistake and is backing our manager!!! Why not continue that and show some appreciation on what Tan has done for the City!!! Life is to short and some people really need to look at the bigger picture.
Before Tan we sold Ramsey for 5 mill and we were in and out of court every week!!! We've just turned 10mill down for Zahore!! People seem to think the City was a bed of roses before Tan came!!! Sorry guys your deluded!!
Cardiff City to face winding up order
BBC 2010
Cardiff City
Cardiff City are facing their second winding up order over an unpaid debt to Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs.
The Championship club was issued the petition on 23 December over unpaid tax and will face a winding up order in the High Court on Wednesday, 10 February.
But Chairman Peter Ridsdale insists: "We have every confidence that all monies owing to HMRC will have been repaid by the end of January."
Cardiff's first winding up order was dismissed by the High Court last month.
The club escaped their initial winding up order on 16 December after agreeing a payment plan with HMRC.
Ridsdale insisted the club was "trading as normal" in a statement on their website earlier in the week when the Bluebirds chief responded to claims the club had a reported £2.7m tax bill.
And now Ridsdale has said in a statement: "In discussions with HMRC at the end of December 2009, we confirmed that we would pay monies owing to them by the end of January 2010.
Cardiff City chairman Peter Ridsdale
HMRC booked a back stop date of 10 February 2010 to go back to court if, for any reason, we had not been able to fulfil our obligations to pay by the end of January
Cardiff City chairman Peter Ridsdale
"HMRC booked a back stop date of 10 February 2010 to go back to court if, for any reason, we had not been able to fulfil our obligations to pay by the end of January.
"We have every confidence that all monies owing to HMRC will have been repaid by the end of January."
He added to BBC Sport: "There is no immediate threat to the club."
The Football League have refused to comment on whether the club are under a transfer embargo due to the apparent financial concerns around Cardiff City.
And Ridsdale, who hopes to pay the debt inside ten days, would neither confirm or deny if the club are under a transfer embargo - adding to the uncertainty surrounding the club.
All he would say is: "Dave has asked for four players to come in - three have been lined up and will come in before the end of the month.
"But in addition to that, I will not add to the liability of the club before the tax bill is paid."
The arrival of Malaysian businessman Datuk Chan Tien Ghee onto the club's board on the day they saw off their first winding up order at the High Court gave hope of fresh investment.
The Bluebirds then reached a settlement over their long-standing £15m debt with former owner Sam Hammam's Langston Corporation as Cardiff fans dreamed of a brighter future with their team flying high in the Championship's play-off zone.
Cardiff boss Dave Jones had hoped to boost his depleted fourth-placed team with squad reinforcements in the January transfer window.
His transfer kitty was inflated by an estimated £3m thanks to their season ticket initiative which the club promised would see supporters gain a full refund on their 2010/11 passes should Cardiff win top-flight promotion.
The Bluebirds sold more than 10,000 season tickets as expectant fans reacted to Ridsdale's promise that the investment would pay for new players in January.
But Ridsdale insisted the season ticket money would not be spent of paying their outstanding tax bill.
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Asked if the ticket money would be used to pay the debt, he said: "No, there is money to pay for that."
Cardiff fans will, however, fear that some of their star names, such as defender Adam Matthews and striker Michael Chopra, who have been linked with January moves, maybe be sold to bolster their coffers.
Ridsdale had previously admitted the club needed to "sell a player a year to survive" before this latest financial uncertainty.
However, the former Leeds United chairman expects "new investment" into the club "soon."
The club moved from their old Ninian Park home to their new £50m 26,500-capacity Cardiff City Stadium last summer which the club hoped would double the club's turnover to approximately £16m to £18m.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:03 am
Ebbw Blue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Ebbw Blue wrote:Man of Harlech wrote:dogfound wrote:Ebbw Blue wrote:No I will not welcome him back. People need to remember the amount of debt we are carrying is down to Tan.
he was prepared to drop the rebrand and not invest the 100 million.was then convinced by others that the original anti rebrand outbursts was knee jerk reaction and given the choice investment /possible sucess was wanted..and lets face it how many demanded their ST money back like the club offered.?..were crowds effected by the rebrand..?..and where were the imediate on going daily protests at the club..youd get more resistence if asda cafe took beans off the cafe menu is truth.
lots of people decided to take a stance AFTER he spent his loot
so it could be argued that our fans at the time were equally resposible, besides when he does leave the debt will either leave with him or not matter to the new owner...and it hasnt stopped us signing players.
Dogfound you are absolutely right but you are wasting your time. You can keep telling the truth until you are blue in the face but some, like Blue Ebbw, would rather wallow in their ignorant hatred. I do wonder whether such people were around when we were wondering from week to week whether the club would survive another, or when we were so badly funded that supporters had to finance the acquisition of players of the quality of Nogan,
Nomatter what the moaners may wish to believe Tan continues to bankroll this club and I would personally have
him back rather that listen to the continual moaning by such negative influences.
If you want to personally slate me, you may want to try and get your facts right. Yes I was there in the very bad days and only too well remember them.
Obviously a season in the premiership means more to you than having the clubs history destroyed
I can back Darren(Blue Ebbw) on that, he was there through some of our worst days on the pitch,when our club was in the 4th division and for many fans like Darren and myself, there was not many of us there in them days when the club really needed supporters,but at least we felt proud and had passion for our club and glory was not put before history/identity and pride.
Thanks Annis they where poor days on the pitch, but off the pitch all the fans where together