Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:01 pm
dogfound wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Fergy1927 wrote:It's weird. I felt like part of a tiny minority opposing Tan and the rebrand at the time like a few of us on here.
I really get the feeling that it's unusual how many are openly anti rebrand now. I'm not pointing fingers at people in this thread but I really feel it doesn't add up. Brighton home was 95% red scarves.
Call me a tw*t but I feel many people went against Tan and the rebrand once we were relegation bound.
Your 100% right many did.
That night v Brighton, I walked out after 30 mins feeling sick , I even thought of never returning, but instead I thought NO, I am not going to let him/them destroy our identity/history and the next game 10 of us incl my oldest daughter and myself returned wearing BLUE in the Ninian Stand and we kept standing up singing "We are Cardiff City We Will Always Be Blue " We were looked at like we were aliens and away fans, as each game passed there eventually became about 100 of us,which grew to 400 odd.
Sadly I know hundreds who never returned.
i agree mate...10 of you rising to 400....there were others in different parts of the ground {a small minority it has to be said } who like myself always wore blue before,during and after the brighton game... but i will never hate Tan.
how on earth can you blame one man for you feeling alien in your home ground...when our fan base all to different degrees might have preffered Blue BUT accepted the Red with the investment.
i supose its easier to blame some Malaysian bloke than 20k faceless fans.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:02 pm
Fergy1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Fergy1927 wrote:It's weird. I felt like part of a tiny minority opposing Tan and the rebrand at the time like a few of us on here.
I really get the feeling that it's unusual how many are openly anti rebrand now. I'm not pointing fingers at people in this thread but I really feel it doesn't add up. Brighton home was 95% red scarves.
Call me a tw*t but I feel many people went against Tan and the rebrand once we were relegation bound.
Your 100% right many did.
That night v Brighton, I walked out after 30 mins feeling sick , I even thought of never returning, but instead I thought NO, I am not going to let him/them destroy our identity/history and the next game 10 of us incl my oldest daughter and myself returned wearing BLUE in the Ninian Stand and we kept standing up singing "We are Cardiff City We Will Always Be Blue " We were looked at like we were aliens and away fans, as each game passed there eventually became about 100 of us,which grew to 400 odd. :bluebird
Sadly I know hundreds who never returned.
It was horrible. I'm not sure I'm over it yet though I respect Tan for giving us our colours back. I doubt I'll ever forgive him for the total disrespect he showed our club with the colour change. It was a horrible time for me personally and the first season (when we played in the premier league) that I never went to a single game even when living here on the other side of the world I'd come over for at least one game.
One of the saddest things was that more people who supported other clubs who I know were against the rebrand than those city fans I know. Out of those city fans I know who were anti red, most stopped going all together. That's Tans fault and, sadly, our fans fault for going along with it.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:12 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Ebbw Blue wrote:oohahhPaulMillar wrote:Like most people on here I will never be able to totally forgive Tan for his ridiculous rebrand decision.
However, with the buzz back at the City, and everyone players, management and fans pulling together, is it time for Vinnie to start attending games again???
Will he be welcomed back by most of the city fans???
I personally will never forgive or forget what he done. He turned fans against each other and showed a total disrespect to the fans of our club.
The best solution for all parties is Tan to sell the club and cut all ties with the club.
I think fans like you need to get things into perspective. VT made a terrible business decision which cost him personally millions of pounds. He didn't do anything criminal and has given this club 7 years of financial stability by taking all the debts on his shoulders and reversed his terrible idea.
It is a sign of vindictiveness not to forgive him for his mistakes and frankly those who still hold a grudge are pathetic.
He has done his best to right the wrongs of the rebrand and it is the rebrand moaners who are holding this club back, not Vincent Tan.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:24 pm
Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:39 pm
Nickoblue23 wrote:Surely there comes a time when you draw a line in the sand and our fanbase can unite going forward.
We've got a manager that 99% us want.
We've got players who we can relate to again and will be fan favorites.
We are playing in blue with a bluebird on our chest.
The club is trying to reach out into the community with Warnock as its lead.
The past has got some painful scars that we shouldn't forget about and learn from going forward. Surely with all the positivity it's time to build the momentum as fans and enjoy our football again!!! If anyone deserves it we do and if thats means Tan comes to a game it isn't going to effect my enjoyment in the slightest.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:40 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Jules wrote:So you not going to be waving your little Malaysian flag anytime soon then Annis ?
NOW BEFORE THE HATE MOB GET ON MY BACK ' THIS IS A JOKE' which I hope Annis will see as just that.
trying to lighten the mood
No joke Jules, I welcomed TG/Malaysia and I feel TG was very sincere regarding Cardiff City, he told us at the shareholders meeting while he was at Cardiff City we would always be BLUE and PROUD,then Tan arrived and TG was kicked out,Very Sad really, so No jokes,maybe it was to you Jules
Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:48 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Ebbw Blue wrote:oohahhPaulMillar wrote:Like most people on here I will never be able to totally forgive Tan for his ridiculous rebrand decision.
However, with the buzz back at the City, and everyone players, management and fans pulling together, is it time for Vinnie to start attending games again???
Will he be welcomed back by most of the city fans???
I personally will never forgive or forget what he done. He turned fans against each other and showed a total disrespect to the fans of our club.
The best solution for all parties is Tan to sell the club and cut all ties with the club.
I think fans like you need to get things into perspective. VT made a terrible business decision which cost him personally millions of pounds. He didn't do anything criminal and has given this club 7 years of financial stability by taking all the debts on his shoulders and reversed his terrible idea.
It is a sign of vindictiveness not to forgive him for his mistakes and frankly those who still hold a grudge are pathetic.
He has done his best to right the wrongs of the rebrand and it is the rebrand moaners who are holding this club back, not Vincent Tan.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:56 pm
Jules wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Jules wrote:So you not going to be waving your little Malaysian flag anytime soon then Annis ?
NOW BEFORE THE HATE MOB GET ON MY BACK ' THIS IS A JOKE' which I hope Annis will see as just that.
trying to lighten the mood
No joke Jules, I welcomed TG/Malaysia and I feel TG was very sincere regarding Cardiff City, he told us at the shareholders meeting while he was at Cardiff City we would always be BLUE and PROUD,then Tan arrived and TG was kicked out,Very Sad really, so No jokes,maybe it was to you Jules
AH righto, Take it how you want, couldn't care what you think to be honest. but everyone allowed an opinion, as you always say.
Just cannot see why people have so much HATE ??? He done wrong. He changed it back . move on ffs. there's already enough hate around without this petty shite.
All the OP has done is opened old wounds which I think were slowly healing but this just shows that that is not the case so cut out the crap about us all being together again. Just MY OPINION mind.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:57 pm
Nickoblue23 wrote:Surely there comes a time when you draw a line in the sand and our fanbase can unite going forward.
We've got a manager that 99% us want.
We've got players who we can relate to again and will be fan favorites.
We are playing in blue with a bluebird on our chest.
The club is trying to reach out into the community with Warnock as its lead.
The past has got some painful scars that we shouldn't forget about and learn from going forward. Surely with all the positivity it's time to build the momentum as fans and enjoy our football again!!! If anyone deserves it we do and if thats means Tan comes to a game it isn't going to effect my enjoyment in the slightest.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:49 pm
Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:17 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:Can never forgive or forget. He ripped the heart and soul out of this Club. Wounds are still very raw and yes there is now a good feel good factor, and that is the way it needs to stay. If Tan was to return it would open the wounds again and fans would start bickering again.
Some fans would welcome him with open arms singing his name, others would except but keep there gobs shut, others would be very vocal against him, some may walk again. So no he should respectfully stay away.
Let's get this straight he has never ever given us an heartfelt apology either and he isn't going to.
So to keep harmony amongst the fans he should never show his mug again and I still can't wait for the day he leaves.
But that is my view and I respect the other views on the man just I don't agree.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:14 pm
Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:31 pm
WelshPatriot wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Can never forgive or forget. He ripped the heart and soul out of this Club. Wounds are still very raw and yes there is now a good feel good factor, and that is the way it needs to stay. If Tan was to return it would open the wounds again and fans would start bickering again.
Some fans would welcome him with open arms singing his name, others would except but keep there gobs shut, others would be very vocal against him, some may walk again. So no he should respectfully stay away.
Let's get this straight he has never ever given us an heartfelt apology either and he isn't going to.
So to keep harmony amongst the fans he should never show his mug again and I still can't wait for the day he leaves.
But that is my view and I respect the other views on the man just I don't agree.
Can I be honest and hopefully you don't take offense but you talk about wounds being raw and souls being ripped out. Can I suggest you knock the football on the head as ultimately it's not good for you.
So much shit in this world, so many people ill, evil people,terrorist attacks,wars and also the stress culture via work.
Football is my release from everything shit, 90minutes of enjoying my team supporting them forgetting everything else.
If as you say you are still so angry over a rebrand that was reversed then I suggest find something positive in your life as it will eat you up.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:39 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Fergy1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Fergy1927 wrote:It's weird. I felt like part of a tiny minority opposing Tan and the rebrand at the time like a few of us on here.
I really get the feeling that it's unusual how many are openly anti rebrand now. I'm not pointing fingers at people in this thread but I really feel it doesn't add up. Brighton home was 95% red scarves.
Call me a tw*t but I feel many people went against Tan and the rebrand once we were relegation bound.
Your 100% right many did.
That night v Brighton, I walked out after 30 mins feeling sick , I even thought of never returning, but instead I thought NO, I am not going to let him/them destroy our identity/history and the next game 10 of us incl my oldest daughter and myself returned wearing BLUE in the Ninian Stand and we kept standing up singing "We are Cardiff City We Will Always Be Blue " We were looked at like we were aliens and away fans, as each game passed there eventually became about 100 of us,which grew to 400 odd. :bluebird
Sadly I know hundreds who never returned.
It was horrible. I'm not sure I'm over it yet though I respect Tan for giving us our colours back. I doubt I'll ever forgive him for the total disrespect he showed our club with the colour change. It was a horrible time for me personally and the first season (when we played in the premier league) that I never went to a single game even when living here on the other side of the world I'd come over for at least one game.
One of the saddest things was that more people who supported other clubs who I know were against the rebrand than those city fans I know. Out of those city fans I know who were anti red, most stopped going all together. That's Tans fault and, sadly, our fans fault for going along with it.
It's so sad that it has really hurt our hard core fans like yourself and this is what many fail to see.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:09 pm
Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:45 pm
Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:23 pm
Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:34 pm
fred keenor wrote:Time to move on, he is writing off the debt.
He made an horrendous mistake,probably far more to do with the culture and background he is from than any thing else.
Look at some other foreign owners, time to let it go.
At least he will leave us in far better terms as when he does sell, he has promised us to be debt free.
How many other owners have delivered this.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:33 pm
Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:12 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:Can never forgive or forget. He ripped the heart and soul out of this Club. Wounds are still very raw and yes there is now a good feel good factor, and that is the way it needs to stay. If Tan was to return it would open the wounds again and fans would start bickering again.
Some fans would welcome him with open arms singing his name, others would except but keep there gobs shut, others would be very vocal against him, some may walk again. So no he should respectfully stay away.
Let's get this straight he has never ever given us an heartfelt apology either and he isn't going to.
So to keep harmony amongst the fans he should never show his mug again and I still can't wait for the day he leaves.
But that is my view and I respect the other views on the man just I don't agree.
Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:23 pm
Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:54 am
Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:55 am
Fergy1927 wrote:For those of you telling the likes of me to move on and to forgive and forget,I really want to. I am just struggling to do so. It has really dented my faith in my club and in modern football in general.
I might feel better in a year or so but at the moment I don't forgive tan and our red fans nor will I ever forget. To me our red fans pissed me off more than tan.
At least he had an excuse not being a city fan and knowing jack about football. Saying that, the red fans had a right to their choice.
I just felt that many shouted down us blue supporters and even tried to intimidate and mock us with the he usual move on, think of the money etc
Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:57 am
WelshPatriot wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Can never forgive or forget. He ripped the heart and soul out of this Club. Wounds are still very raw and yes there is now a good feel good factor, and that is the way it needs to stay. If Tan was to return it would open the wounds again and fans would start bickering again.
Some fans would welcome him with open arms singing his name, others would except but keep there gobs shut, others would be very vocal against him, some may walk again. So no he should respectfully stay away.
Let's get this straight he has never ever given us an heartfelt apology either and he isn't going to.
So to keep harmony amongst the fans he should never show his mug again and I still can't wait for the day he leaves.
But that is my view and I respect the other views on the man just I don't agree.
Can I be honest and hopefully you don't take offense but you talk about wounds being raw and souls being ripped out. Can I suggest you knock the football on the head as ultimately it's not good for you.
So much shit in this world, so many people ill, evil people,terrorist attacks,wars and also the stress culture via work.
Football is my release from everything shit, 90minutes of enjoying my team supporting them forgetting everything else.
If as you say you are still so angry over a rebrand that was reversed then I suggest find something positive in your life as it will eat you up.
Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:01 am
Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:07 pm
Ebbw Blue wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Ebbw Blue wrote:No I will not welcome him back. People need to remember the amount of debt we are carrying is down to Tan.
Debt which is all owed to him and is not going anywhere. Also don't forget he has written off £20m of that debt and will one day do the same with the rest.
It is still debt irrespective who it is payable to
Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:19 pm
Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:20 pm
dogfound wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Can never forgive or forget. He ripped the heart and soul out of this Club. Wounds are still very raw and yes there is now a good feel good factor, and that is the way it needs to stay. If Tan was to return it would open the wounds again and fans would start bickering again.
Some fans would welcome him with open arms singing his name, others would except but keep there gobs shut, others would be very vocal against him, some may walk again. So no he should respectfully stay away.
Let's get this straight he has never ever given us an heartfelt apology either and he isn't going to.
So to keep harmony amongst the fans he should never show his mug again and I still can't wait for the day he leaves.
But that is my view and I respect the other views on the man just I don't agree.
heart felt appology..?
hang on he wanted to rebrand us...backed off after the imediate reaction saying something along the lines of keeeping us stable in blue but investing heavey in red...our fans chose the later took the cash then changed their minds.
i hated the red..but im a grown up and like when who i voted for doesnt end up governing..i accept the majority view..whic it was.
id welcome him because he honoured his part of the deal...and has infact gone a bit further by reversing the rebrand and still backs our managers despite the club hemorrhaging cash year on year.
btw it wasnt the first time Cardiff City won promotion to the top flight wearing a LUCKY colour that was not blue.
back then the fans were just happy to have a good team though....and didnt have a Malaysian millionaire to rant at.
Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:23 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:dogfound wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Can never forgive or forget. He ripped the heart and soul out of this Club. Wounds are still very raw and yes there is now a good feel good factor, and that is the way it needs to stay. If Tan was to return it would open the wounds again and fans would start bickering again.
Some fans would welcome him with open arms singing his name, others would except but keep there gobs shut, others would be very vocal against him, some may walk again. So no he should respectfully stay away.
Let's get this straight he has never ever given us an heartfelt apology either and he isn't going to.
So to keep harmony amongst the fans he should never show his mug again and I still can't wait for the day he leaves.
But that is my view and I respect the other views on the man just I don't agree.
heart felt appology..?
hang on he wanted to rebrand us...backed off after the imediate reaction saying something along the lines of keeeping us stable in blue but investing heavey in red...our fans chose the later took the cash then changed their minds.
i hated the red..but im a grown up and like when who i voted for doesnt end up governing..i accept the majority view..whic it was.
id welcome him because he honoured his part of the deal...and has infact gone a bit further by reversing the rebrand and still backs our managers despite the club hemorrhaging cash year on year.
btw it wasnt the first time Cardiff City won promotion to the top flight wearing a LUCKY colour that was not blue.
back then the fans were just happy to have a good team though....and didnt have a Malaysian millionaire to rant at.
Our fans chose the red ? No they did not the fans leaders chose the red then violence threatened against anyone who opposed what was going on and that is the truth.
Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:32 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:dogfound wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Can never forgive or forget. He ripped the heart and soul out of this Club. Wounds are still very raw and yes there is now a good feel good factor, and that is the way it needs to stay. If Tan was to return it would open the wounds again and fans would start bickering again.
Some fans would welcome him with open arms singing his name, others would except but keep there gobs shut, others would be very vocal against him, some may walk again. So no he should respectfully stay away.
Let's get this straight he has never ever given us an heartfelt apology either and he isn't going to.
So to keep harmony amongst the fans he should never show his mug again and I still can't wait for the day he leaves.
But that is my view and I respect the other views on the man just I don't agree.
heart felt appology..?
hang on he wanted to rebrand us...backed off after the imediate reaction saying something along the lines of keeeping us stable in blue but investing heavey in red...our fans chose the later took the cash then changed their minds.
i hated the red..but im a grown up and like when who i voted for doesnt end up governing..i accept the majority view..whic it was.
id welcome him because he honoured his part of the deal...and has infact gone a bit further by reversing the rebrand and still backs our managers despite the club hemorrhaging cash year on year.
btw it wasnt the first time Cardiff City won promotion to the top flight wearing a LUCKY colour that was not blue.
back then the fans were just happy to have a good team though....and didnt have a Malaysian millionaire to rant at.
Our fans chose the red ? No they did not the fans leaders chose the red then violence threatened against anyone who opposed what was going on and that is the truth.
Sort of correct Nukes, some so called fans leaders, two main ones Gwyn Davies and Tony Jeffries choice the Despicable Red.