Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:27 pm
Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:46 pm
maccydee wrote:Hear me out. Providing Serbia best Ireland and seemingly win the group.
Winning puts us above Ireland. That means should we beat Georgia we don't need a win v Ireland. Results against Moldova don't count anyway so would have no effect on our play off aspirations. Therefore only needing a draw v Ireland might have an effect on us. Had we needed a win would have pushed for it. Really we need 6 points from last 2 games for a chance of being one of the top 8 second placed teams.
Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:53 pm
pembroke allan wrote:maccydee wrote:Hear me out. Providing Serbia best Ireland and seemingly win the group.
Winning puts us above Ireland. That means should we beat Georgia we don't need a win v Ireland. Results against Moldova don't count anyway so would have no effect on our play off aspirations. Therefore only needing a draw v Ireland might have an effect on us. Had we needed a win would have pushed for it. Really we need 6 points from last 2 games for a chance of being one of the top 8 second placed teams.
The Moldova results dont count until the 9 teams finished 2nd in group are decided! Then the results against the bottom teams are taken from the 2nd place teams in their respective groups, and the team with least points drop out leaving the 8 playoff teams
Ps think thats the way it is
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:06 pm
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:17 pm
maccydee wrote:Hear me out. Providing Serbia best Ireland and seemingly win the group.
Winning puts us above Ireland. That means should we beat Georgia we don't need a win v Ireland. Results against Moldova don't count anyway so would have no effect on our play off aspirations. Therefore only needing a draw v Ireland might have an effect on us. Had we needed a win would have pushed for it. Really we need 6 points from last 2 games for a chance of being one of the top 8 second placed teams.
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:17 pm
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:35 pm
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:36 pm
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:38 pm
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Georgia drew against Austria tonight. I will surprised if we win out there to be honest, it's a horrible place to go and we were lucky not to lose to them at home. Whatever happens, the Ireland game will be the decider.
I totally disagree with the OP, I think us being ahead of Ireland is vital. It will mean Ireland will have to come at us and that will totally play into our hands. Ireland are a slow team, we will kill them on the break. We were by far the superior team out there and it was only the Taylor sending off that slightly swung the momentum to Ireland. But we proved that night we are the superior team and I will be expecting us to beat them.
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:40 pm
RV Casual wrote:I can't see where you coming from here sorry mate.
We are currently joint bottom with Bosnia on 14 points, had we lost we would not even been 2nd never mind joint bottom of the 9.
Points on the board was vital, 4 from the last 6 might see us over the line now, its between us, Montenegro, Iceland and Slovakia/Slovenia/Scotland.
A draw tonight would have made it ten times harder.
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:43 pm
maccydee wrote:Hear me out. Providing Serbia best Ireland and seemingly win the group.
Winning puts us above Ireland. That means should we beat Georgia we don't need a win v Ireland. Results against Moldova don't count anyway so would have no effect on our play off aspirations. Therefore only needing a draw v Ireland might have an effect on us. Had we needed a win would have pushed for it. Really we need 6 points from last 2 games for a chance of being one of the top 8 second placed teams.
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:44 pm
Leon1927 wrote:We have to win both games. A draw against Ireland won't be enough so I don't understand your logic?
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:45 pm
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:46 pm
epping blue wrote:maccydee wrote:Hear me out. Providing Serbia best Ireland and seemingly win the group.
Winning puts us above Ireland. That means should we beat Georgia we don't need a win v Ireland. Results against Moldova don't count anyway so would have no effect on our play off aspirations. Therefore only needing a draw v Ireland might have an effect on us. Had we needed a win would have pushed for it. Really we need 6 points from last 2 games for a chance of being one of the top 8 second placed teams.
It counts in so far as the group is concerned. We have to finish 2nd to get in the play offs and for that it counts. Its then removed for our position in the play off league.
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:48 pm
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:49 pm
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:49 pm
maccydee wrote:Leon1927 wrote:We have to win both games. A draw against Ireland won't be enough so I don't understand your logic?
Had we drawn tonight we would be a point behind Ireland. Providing we both win our next game we would still be a point behind Ireland going into our last game. This would mean we would set up needing to win Ireland would need a draw to secure 2nd place. I think that would be our best chance of getting a win. Now we are ahead of Ireland we will go into the last game (providing we both win our next fixtures) only needing a draw to secure 2nd place. That can be a hard spot to be in. Of course it could work for us in that Ireland would need to attack and might leave space.
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:53 pm
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:53 pm
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:55 pm
maccydee wrote:RV Casual wrote:I can't see where you coming from here sorry mate.
We are currently joint bottom with Bosnia on 14 points, had we lost we would not even been 2nd never mind joint bottom of the 9.
Points on the board was vital, 4 from the last 6 might see us over the line now, its between us, Montenegro, Iceland and Slovakia/Slovenia/Scotland.
A draw tonight would have made it ten times harder.
The Moldova results would be wiped as are all results against bottom sides. Tonight would have no bearing if we finish 2nd.
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:58 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Took a look at standings and at moment Bosnia level on 14 points with us! and another 4 teams within 2 points of us, but of course cannot gauge how will finish until all games played because dont know how many points all those teams will drop from the bottom teams in their respective groups
Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:12 pm
RV Casual wrote:maccydee wrote:RV Casual wrote:I can't see where you coming from here sorry mate.
We are currently joint bottom with Bosnia on 14 points, had we lost we would not even been 2nd never mind joint bottom of the 9.
Points on the board was vital, 4 from the last 6 might see us over the line now, its between us, Montenegro, Iceland and Slovakia/Slovenia/Scotland.
A draw tonight would have made it ten times harder.
The Moldova results would be wiped as are all results against bottom sides. Tonight would have no bearing if we finish 2nd.
Ah right, I think i see what you mean mate, not something I was aware of that mate, so for example then, as far as our points go we are only on 8 as Moldova don't count so Iceland for example are on 13, Bosnia on 8 aswell cos their 6 against gibralta get wiped. Montenego on 10 as their 6 against Kazakhstan are dust.
Having another look at it then, I think its between us, Montnegro and Bosnia and Slovenia/Slovakia/Scotland, Iceland look safe, bloody hell, its headwork
Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:14 pm
Leon1927 wrote:I'd rather win and have the momentum. I draw would have hurt our confidence.
Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:22 pm
dogfound wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Took a look at standings and at moment Bosnia level on 14 points with us! and another 4 teams within 2 points of us, but of course cannot gauge how will finish until all games played because dont know how many points all those teams will drop from the bottom teams in their respective groups
the accurate up to date runners up table has been posted here.
not sure what your looking at with bosnia on 14pts.
Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:25 pm
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Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:20 am
dogfound wrote:maccydee wrote:Leon1927 wrote:We have to win both games. A draw against Ireland won't be enough so I don't understand your logic?
Had we drawn tonight we would be a point behind Ireland. Providing we both win our next game we would still be a point behind Ireland going into our last game. This would mean we would set up needing to win Ireland would need a draw to secure 2nd place. I think that would be our best chance of getting a win. Now we are ahead of Ireland we will go into the last game (providing we both win our next fixtures) only needing a draw to secure 2nd place. That can be a hard spot to be in. Of course it could work for us in that Ireland would need to attack and might leave space.
no..we wont need a draw we need a win to not finish bottom of the runners up table