Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:16 pm
Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:22 pm
Jock wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:I personally through research and many hours of it do not believe it is through religion, in particular in the UK it is the breakdown of our society and the disaffected (or as they see they are), the adventure of being a jihadist, the misinformation or radicalisation of preachers, who I may add try to convert but wont actually volunteer themselves up as suicide bombers, which believe it or not suicide bombing is the key tactic of the Tamil Tigers and used by them more.
Unfortunately we will no longer be able to contain it until we become utterly unforgiven in our approach in dealing with it.
It's ultimately about religion and as I'm sure you know funded by Saudi and the Gulf States.
Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:39 pm
1980s Bluebird wrote:OK I shall try and change your view if I may or at least put it to you like this.
BOKO HARAM aim is to make Nigeria AND MAINLY THE north AN Islamic State, it does not distinguish between Muslim or Christian in its attacks, it was formed out of bad governance and economical hardship and has no interest on attacking the West. Main aim control of the Oil fields and natural resources.
HAMAS, Strengthen its presence in the West Bank and eventually toppling the Palestinian Authority from power there, just as it did in Gaza. If Israel were to withdraw from the West Bank, Hamas would certainly find such a goal easier to accomplish. probably in line in its thinking with AQ an DAESH.
AL SHABAB- Is power based and main aim is to strengthen its profile in Kenya and East Africa.
Our problem in the UK is home grown not any other world based organisationJock wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:AQ have only had an issue with the West since the US ENTERED Saudi in 1990 prior to Gulf War 1, AQ actually offered to defend Saudi from Saddam Hussein but the Saudi royal family refused and there beginneth the problem. Al Zawhari was the main instigator of attacks on the West.Jock wrote:Steve since 62 wrote:Is there any doubt that all this is over the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan it never happened before this or is it only me that sees this connection
For such a self opinionated man your not very knowledgeable. Alqeda were carrying out attacks on Western targets since the early nineties. The stated aim of Islamists is to establish a Worldwide Caliphate under Sharia, that has not changed for almost 1500 years. You really haven't got a handle on this at all, why not research some facts from reliable sources and educate yourself on matters your going to opine on.
Alqeda wants to establish and expand a caliphate the same as Hamas, Al Shabab, Boko Haram and every other crackpot Islamist mob. That's why they exist.
Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:48 pm
glas wrote:Proves that multi-culturalism, diversity and allowing un controlled immigration into an area does not work. It just creates tension and eventual violence.
Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:53 pm
1980s Bluebird wrote:OK I shall try and change your view if I may or at least put it to you like this.
BOKO HARAM aim is to make Nigeria AND MAINLY THE north AN Islamic State, it does not distinguish between Muslim or Christian in its attacks, it was formed out of bad governance and economical hardship and has no interest on attacking the West. Main aim control of the Oil fields and natural resources.
HAMAS, Strengthen its presence in the West Bank and eventually toppling the Palestinian Authority from power there, just as it did in Gaza. If Israel were to withdraw from the West Bank, Hamas would certainly find such a goal easier to accomplish. probably in line in its thinking with AQ an DAESH.
AL SHABAB- Is power based and main aim is to strengthen its profile in Kenya and East Africa.
Our problem in the UK is home grown not any other world based organisationJock wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:AQ have only had an issue with the West since the US ENTERED Saudi in 1990 prior to Gulf War 1, AQ actually offered to defend Saudi from Saddam Hussein but the Saudi royal family refused and there beginneth the problem. Al Zawhari was the main instigator of attacks on the West.Jock wrote:Steve since 62 wrote:Is there any doubt that all this is over the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan it never happened before this or is it only me that sees this connection
For such a self opinionated man your not very knowledgeable. Alqeda were carrying out attacks on Western targets since the early nineties. The stated aim of Islamists is to establish a Worldwide Caliphate under Sharia, that has not changed for almost 1500 years. You really haven't got a handle on this at all, why not research some facts from reliable sources and educate yourself on matters your going to opine on.
Alqeda wants to establish and expand a caliphate the same as Hamas, Al Shabab, Boko Haram and every other crackpot Islamist mob. That's why they exist.
Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:42 pm
Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:29 pm
GrangeEndStar wrote:Jocks spot on. Population replacement by over breeding has been effectively encouraged via uncontrolled immigration. This country has allowed itself to be shafted and continues to do so. This attack will be quickly forgotten and so will the next and the next. All the while, the breeding and the third world immigration invasion continues.
Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:36 pm
Jock wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:Jocks spot on. Population replacement by over breeding has been effectively encouraged via uncontrolled immigration. This country has allowed itself to be shafted and continues to do so. This attack will be quickly forgotten and so will the next and the next. All the while, the breeding and the third world immigration invasion continues.
In 1974 the President of Algeria said, on the floor of the UN, Islam will conquer Europe with the wombs of Muslim women.
Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:16 pm
Jock wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:Jocks spot on. Population replacement by over breeding has been effectively encouraged via uncontrolled immigration. This country has allowed itself to be shafted and continues to do so. This attack will be quickly forgotten and so will the next and the next. All the while, the breeding and the third world immigration invasion continues.
In 1974 the President of Algeria said, on the floor of the UN, Islam will conquer Europe with the wombs of Muslim women.
Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:51 pm
Jock wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:Jocks spot on. Population replacement by over breeding has been effectively encouraged via uncontrolled immigration. This country has allowed itself to be shafted and continues to do so. This attack will be quickly forgotten and so will the next and the next. All the while, the breeding and the third world immigration invasion continues.
In 1974 the President of Algeria said, on the floor of the UN, Islam will conquer Europe with the wombs of Muslim women.
Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:05 am
Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:06 am
CityBlue93 wrote:Jock wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:Jocks spot on. Population replacement by over breeding has been effectively encouraged via uncontrolled immigration. This country has allowed itself to be shafted and continues to do so. This attack will be quickly forgotten and so will the next and the next. All the while, the breeding and the third world immigration invasion continues.
In 1974 the President of Algeria said, on the floor of the UN, Islam will conquer Europe with the wombs of Muslim women.
Could you post a link of this speech or something would be interested to read exactly what he said, can't seem to find anything about it online apart from people disputing that he said it
Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:50 am
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Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:00 am
rumpo kid wrote:Steve since 62 wrote:Not with us they haven't my friend[/quote
You surprise me Steve, we've been killing each other for centuries. This is just another phase.
Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:30 pm
Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:38 pm
1980s Bluebird wrote:Jock, As the great Billy Connolly said, They tried to bring religious hatred to Glasgow without a football team.
Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:03 pm
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Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:31 pm
1980s Bluebird wrote:I know many British Muslims, Turkish Muslims, Bosnian Muslims, Afghan Muslims, Syrian muslims, Kosova Muslims who are wonderful people and fair more generous and hospitable than British people. Their breadth of hospitality is unreal.
They are speechless about what is happening and rightly so, fear that they are being tarred with the same brush as a very small percentage of the Muslim population of the world harm their religion.
They aren't all religious nutters
Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:36 pm
1980s Bluebird wrote:I know many British Muslims, Turkish Muslims, Bosnian Muslims, Afghan Muslims, Syrian muslims, Kosova Muslims who are wonderful people and fair more generous and hospitable than British people. Their breadth of hospitality is unreal.
They are speechless about what is happening and rightly so, fear that they are being tarred with the same brush as a very small percentage of the Muslim population of the world harm their religion.
They aren't all religious nutters
Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:38 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:I know many British Muslims, Turkish Muslims, Bosnian Muslims, Afghan Muslims, Syrian muslims, Kosova Muslims who are wonderful people and fair more generous and hospitable than British people. Their breadth of hospitality is unreal.
They are speechless about what is happening and rightly so, fear that they are being tarred with the same brush as a very small percentage of the Muslim population of the world harm their religion.
They aren't all religious nutters
Also do you not see the irony in a post which is basically saying let's not tar all muslims with the same brush (which I agree with) but at the same time talking about British people in such a broad brushstrokes.
I know lots of British people who are not nice but I also know lots of British people who are wonderful.
Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:18 am
ealing_ayatollah wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:I know many British Muslims, Turkish Muslims, Bosnian Muslims, Afghan Muslims, Syrian muslims, Kosova Muslims who are wonderful people and fair more generous and hospitable than British people. Their breadth of hospitality is unreal.
They are speechless about what is happening and rightly so, fear that they are being tarred with the same brush as a very small percentage of the Muslim population of the world harm their religion.
They aren't all religious nutters
Channel 4 (not exactly right wing leaning to say the least) Research showed:
66% of surveyed muslims would not inform the police if they thought somebody they knew was getting involved with people who support terrorism in Syria
52% do not believe that homosexuality should be legal in Britain
23% support the introduction of Sharia Law
32% refuse to condemn those who take part in violence against those who mock the Prophet
44% refuse to condemn those people who take part in stoning those who commit adultery.
31% think it's acceptable for a man to have more than one wife
So please let's stop pretending it's a 'very small percentage of the muslim population' that holds views in direct opposition to well established Western ideals.
Also I would wager that almost everyone you find critical of Islam will happily state they are not critical of individual muslims, they are critical of Islam as an ideology.
There are many people who are good muslims but they are good people in spite of their religion not because of it.
Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:33 pm
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Curlyfc wrote:Many German's weren't Nazis
Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:12 am