Jock wrote:City Slicker wrote:Jock wrote:City Slicker wrote:wez1927 wrote:City Slicker wrote:AfricanBluebird wrote:paulh_85 wrote:AfricanBluebird wrote:The thing about Brexit, whether you voted for it or not, is that there was so little due diligence, whatif scenarios and investigations done before the referendum as to what Brexit would look like that we should never really have had the vote when we did. It was very premature. There should have been at least 3 years investigations as to the ramifications and what likely deals we could strike on the different negotiation items before the vote. Then I feel people would have been better informed. As it happens people voted with very little information (from both sides) which of course opened the door to emotional media manipulation.
Also, even if Brexit is, in the long term, right for the country, we have completely incompetent people trying to strike deals which they are not equipped or skilled to do. Eventually the EU will tell us to just f**k off and make decisions for us.
The conservatives and Labour are completely incompetent.
Let's be frank, it's a clusterfuck.
These ramifications are all a load of nonsense anyway because nobody can predict these sorts of things, seeing it now with "this is how much worse off we will be in certain scenarios" but it has too many factors attached to it to be believable.
for me the core principle should be, should we be a country who stands on our own but still deals with europe, or should we be involved in a united europe where collective decisions are made for everyone. and then we can just go from there
There should have been more due diligence. For example, discussions with NI and ROI about the border should have taken place, now it seems surprising that its a contentious issue, made worse by the Tories bribing the DUP to join a coalition. Like I said, clusterfuck.
But yeah I agree with your last point.
Good response and for me it would be a collective Europe every time. With loons like Trump and menaces like Putin around this is no time to ditch our friends. I work on the united we stand principle.
We are leaving the eu not nato or europe ffs you speak some tosh
Ah you're right but it's the EU that's key to peace, not relying on that thick piece of shit Trump. NATO with him involved is dead in the water.
Yes the EU kept everyone safe in the Balkans.
Why should the Yanks subsidise everyone else inNATO, the agreement was for members to spend 2% of GDP on defence, the majority have failed to do this.
The EU was formed to restrain Germany you utter tool not the Balkans and NATO really kept the lid on it didn't it. The Yanks can afford to pay more than anyone else and a secure Europe is in their national interest. If they don't like it they can go and bomb the f**k out of North Korea if they like
Can’t win the argument play the man not the ball.
The EU/Common Market was formed solely to stop the Krauts invading neighbouring countries Bwhahahahaha.
So the Yanks and ourselves incidentally, should subsidise Germany’s defence?? Your simply a crank.
Nice try pal but perfect bullshit