Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:01 pm
Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:03 pm
Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:08 pm
Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:12 pm
Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:14 pm
Kingyccfc wrote:We lose. Warnock walks.
Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:35 pm
nubbsy wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:We lose. Warnock walks.
Mate not being funny who else is going to make a difference?
The problem lies in our team and the lack of quality and lack of depth not in our manager.
Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:30 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Updated
Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:31 pm
Kingyccfc wrote:We lose. Warnock walks.
Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:39 pm
Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:43 pm
Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:38 pm
montyblue wrote:The fulham manager should be under more pressure than our neil at least we gave arsenal a game 2 3 fulham loosing at home 1 5 and have spent 100 million plus i cannot believe people saying its Neil's last we have played the top 5 after Liverpool and i am sure we will improve and get our wins and who do the f..k do you think could do a better job than neil the team have a good relationship with neil and we did this last time around panicking and ended up with a rookie ogs, lets see how we go see what comes in january with some recruits.
Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:36 pm
nubbsy wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:We lose. Warnock walks.
Mate not being funny who else is going to make a difference?
The problem lies in our team and the lack of quality and lack of depth not in our manager.
Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:12 pm
Kingyccfc wrote:We lose. Warnock walks.
Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:17 pm
soldierblue1880 wrote:nubbsy wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:We lose. Warnock walks.
Mate not being funny who else is going to make a difference?
The problem lies in our team and the lack of quality and lack of depth not in our manager.
Not being funny mate but who is ultimately responsible for the quality and the depth of our squad,yes that's right Warnock!!
Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:29 pm
Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:30 pm
Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:39 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:We lose. Warnock walks.
We win. We go above Fulham despite them spending four times as mch as us and Jokanović walks then i guess...
Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:32 pm
Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:03 am
Forever Blue wrote:“ SURELY SURELY ITS A MUST “
Win for Cardiff City v Fulham a week on Saturday at home, No ifs or buts, no accepting a hard fought draw , no saying we played well but only just lost, I would rather say Fulham were the better team, but we got the 3pts
We can’t afford the gap to get any bigger or lose our battling performances, We need 3pts end off as the players heads and the fans hearts will sink if we lose or draw again in my opinion.
Our fans deserve at least a small bit of success, a win would build confidence and keep us on a high in the stadium
Anyone disagree?
Fulham’s result today
Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:28 am
SirJimmySchoular wrote:Forever Blue wrote:“ SURELY SURELY ITS A MUST “
Win for Cardiff City v Fulham a week on Saturday at home, No ifs or buts, no accepting a hard fought draw , no saying we played well but only just lost, I would rather say Fulham were the better team, but we got the 3pts
We can’t afford the gap to get any bigger or lose our battling performances, We need 3pts end off as the players heads and the fans hearts will sink if we lose or draw again in my opinion.
Our fans deserve at least a small bit of success, a win would build confidence and keep us on a high in the stadium
Anyone disagree?
Fulham’s result today
Yeah, I disagree quite strongly actually.
That sort of talk doesn't do anything but build pressure on the boys . It doesn't make any positive difference to the outcome, which will be whatever it will be. I don't think anyone's unaware that the opportunities are gradually getting smaller , but that's not dependant on one particular result.
They must approach each game in the knowledge that they must improve again form the last and intending to win and providing they continue to improve I think they'll start winning enough games to eventually finish mid table. The most likely thing to bugger that up is the endlessly building pressure and the danger of becoming psychologically overwhelmed by expectation.
There's so much unhelpful comment and target setting, ( quicker and more scathing than I've ever seen it in any other club actually), that Sir Neil will soon be at the stage of having to convince the players to ignore what supporters are saying in the hope that they'll be able to shut it out and continue to perform. That's the edge of a real collapse, by the way.
Think about it - if you were a player, how totally committed could you be to fans who repeatedly belittle your efforts ?
The recent success of this club has been far more about a sense of unity and players putting in 110% for the supporters and the city than spectacular skills, and the potential downfall might be the reverse of that if we're not very very careful.
They know they need to start winning some games I expect , so let's not issuing them with ultimatums. Their heads are really not going to be in the best place for this game if they're being told it's their last chance and, given the fact that they've been trying their very very best for the fans so far , well it'd only be human for them to get subconsciously angry with them if they're constantly belittling the players and managers.
Loyalty breeds loyalty ,and loyalty earns commitment, but like all equations , the opposite is also true. The fans can add something to the performance if they conduct themselves in one way or totally demotivate the team if they offer support with conditions and strings attached.
Of course I'm not suggesting that your comments are disloyal or destructive - that's aimed at some others. I am saying though that talk of " must win" games, however well intentioned, can have the same nett effect.
Col Travis famously told his men at the Alamo that the two alternatives were "death or glory", and we know how well that went. On the other hand, Churchill's message that we should "fight them on the beaches, fight them in the streets and never surrender", even after Dunkirk , was a wiser strategy , expressing as it did a complete faith in the British forces and people to prevail in the end and not be halted in that intention by serious setbacks. Of course that faith and confidence inspired everyone to find hidden reserves when it was needed.
In short, let's send those boys out determined to win, NOT frightened to lose !
Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:32 am
Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:17 am
Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:38 am
Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:51 am
SirJimmySchoular wrote:Forever Blue wrote:“ SURELY SURELY ITS A MUST “
Win for Cardiff City v Fulham a week on Saturday at home, No ifs or buts, no accepting a hard fought draw , no saying we played well but only just lost, I would rather say Fulham were the better team, but we got the 3pts
We can’t afford the gap to get any bigger or lose our battling performances, We need 3pts end off as the players heads and the fans hearts will sink if we lose or draw again in my opinion.
Our fans deserve at least a small bit of success, a win would build confidence and keep us on a high in the stadium
Anyone disagree?
Fulham’s result today
Yeah, I disagree quite strongly actually.
That sort of talk doesn't do anything but build pressure on the boys . It doesn't make any positive difference to the outcome, which will be whatever it will be. I don't think anyone's unaware that the opportunities are gradually getting smaller , but that's not dependant on one particular result.
They must approach each game in the knowledge that they must improve again form the last and intending to win and providing they continue to improve I think they'll start winning enough games to eventually finish mid table. The most likely thing to bugger that up is the endlessly building pressure and the danger of becoming psychologically overwhelmed by expectation.
There's so much unhelpful comment and target setting, ( quicker and more scathing than I've ever seen it in any other club actually), that Sir Neil will soon be at the stage of having to convince the players to ignore what supporters are saying in the hope that they'll be able to shut it out and continue to perform. That's the edge of a real collapse, by the way.
Think about it - if you were a player, how totally committed could you be to fans who repeatedly belittle your efforts ?
The recent success of this club has been far more about a sense of unity and players putting in 110% for the supporters and the city than spectacular skills, and the potential downfall might be the reverse of that if we're not very very careful.
They know they need to start winning some games I expect , so let's not issuing them with ultimatums. Their heads are really not going to be in the best place for this game if they're being told it's their last chance and, given the fact that they've been trying their very very best for the fans so far , well it'd only be human for them to get subconsciously angry with them if they're constantly belittling the players and managers.
Loyalty breeds loyalty ,and loyalty earns commitment, but like all equations , the opposite is also true. The fans can add something to the performance if they conduct themselves in one way or totally demotivate the team if they offer support with conditions and strings attached.
Of course I'm not suggesting that your comments are disloyal or destructive - that's aimed at some others. I am saying though that talk of " must win" games, however well intentioned, can have the same nett effect.
Col Travis famously told his men at the Alamo that the two alternatives were "death or glory", and we know how well that went. On the other hand, Churchill's message that we should "fight them on the beaches, fight them in the streets and never surrender", even after Dunkirk , was a wiser strategy , expressing as it did a complete faith in the British forces and people to prevail in the end and not be halted in that intention by serious setbacks. Of course that faith and confidence inspired everyone to find hidden reserves when it was needed.
In short, let's send those boys out determined to win, NOT frightened to lose !
Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:21 pm
Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:48 am
Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:09 am
OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:It’s a must win game for me. Doesn’t have to be the last game of the season for this to be the case.
We lose, we’re 6 points adrift and with Liverpool away next then the gap will probably get even bigger.
The most IMPORTANT thing is not to get cut adrift this early in the season as we may not be able to claw things back as we’ll need to win a few games to do this and that’s looking almost impossible at the moment.
Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:54 pm
soldierblue1880 wrote:nubbsy wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:We lose. Warnock walks.
Mate not being funny who else is going to make a difference?
The problem lies in our team and the lack of quality and lack of depth not in our manager.
Not being funny mate but who is ultimately responsible for the quality and the depth of our squad,yes that's right Warnock!!
Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:38 pm
nubbsy wrote:soldierblue1880 wrote:nubbsy wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:We lose. Warnock walks.
Mate not being funny who else is going to make a difference?
The problem lies in our team and the lack of quality and lack of depth not in our manager.
Not being funny mate but who is ultimately responsible for the quality and the depth of our squad,yes that's right Warnock!!
I'd give you a balanced answer if I didn't think you were a troll
Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:52 pm
TheHangedMan wrote:nubbsy wrote:soldierblue1880 wrote:nubbsy wrote:Kingyccfc wrote:We lose. Warnock walks.
Mate not being funny who else is going to make a difference?
The problem lies in our team and the lack of quality and lack of depth not in our manager.
Not being funny mate but who is ultimately responsible for the quality and the depth of our squad,yes that's right Warnock!!
I'd give you a balanced answer if I didn't think you were a troll