Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:52 pm
Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:55 pm
Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:59 pm
Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:58 pm
1980s Bluebird wrote:Feck him the IRA loving tw*t, don’t wear a poppy sunshine no diffrent to when I raised a glass at your hero McGuinness death.
Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:02 pm
Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:23 pm
Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:41 pm
paulh_85 wrote:people get unnecessarily tribal over this sort of stuff. If he doesnt want to wear one then thats his call
Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:53 pm
Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:06 pm
Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:08 pm
Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:19 pm
Jock wrote:He’s a dick, if he doesn’t want to wear one don’t wear one but why all the look at me , look at me I refuse to wear one shite.
Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:26 pm
Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:33 pm
Llan_Blue wrote:Jock wrote:He’s a dick, if he doesn’t want to wear one don’t wear one but why all the look at me , look at me I refuse to wear one shite.
It’s people talking about him not wearing one. It’s not him going out of his way to talk about it.
Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:25 pm
RV Casual wrote:Mental how outraged people get about it. Lots of people wear the poppy for all the wrong reasons these days.
I wear one, but if others don't choose to for legitimate reasons like McLean and Matic it doesn't bother me and I don't really see why it should bother anyone else either really as long as they are respectfull about it which McLean and Matic both have been from what iv always seen.
Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:39 pm
Llan_Blue wrote:Jock wrote:He’s a dick, if he doesn’t want to wear one don’t wear one but why all the look at me , look at me I refuse to wear one shite.
It’s people talking about him not wearing one. It’s not him going out of his way to talk about it.
Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:40 pm
dogfound wrote:RV Casual wrote:Mental how outraged people get about it. Lots of people wear the poppy for all the wrong reasons these days.
I wear one, but if others don't choose to for legitimate reasons like McLean and Matic it doesn't bother me and I don't really see why it should bother anyone else either really as long as they are respectfull about it which McLean and Matic both have been from what iv always seen.
its not the not wearing.....its that he takes issue over the appeal every year while living {whether he likes it or not } under the protection of those very same armed forces..
blokes a hypocrite..
Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:02 pm
RV Casual wrote:dogfound wrote:RV Casual wrote:Mental how outraged people get about it. Lots of people wear the poppy for all the wrong reasons these days.
I wear one, but if others don't choose to for legitimate reasons like McLean and Matic it doesn't bother me and I don't really see why it should bother anyone else either really as long as they are respectfull about it which McLean and Matic both have been from what iv always seen.
its not the not wearing.....its that he takes issue over the appeal every year while living {whether he likes it or not } under the protection of those very same armed forces..
blokes a hypocrite..
Care to point me in the direction of where he takes issue over the appeal?
If that's true then I agree, but I don't think it is.
He's chosen not to wear one and explained his reasons, it's other people who can't let it go mot McLean himself.
Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:17 pm
RV Casual wrote:Mental how outraged people get about it. Lots of people wear the poppy for all the wrong reasons these days.
I wear one, but if others don't choose to for legitimate reasons like McLean and Matic it doesn't bother me and I don't really see why it should bother anyone else either really as long as they are respectfull about it which McLean and Matic both have been from what iv always seen.
Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:36 pm
Bella Blue wrote:RV Casual wrote:Mental how outraged people get about it. Lots of people wear the poppy for all the wrong reasons these days.
I wear one, but if others don't choose to for legitimate reasons like McLean and Matic it doesn't bother me and I don't really see why it should bother anyone else either really as long as they are respectfull about it which McLean and Matic both have been from what iv always seen.
Spot on. Most rational post on this subject, sick of the political hijacking of the poppy. Mclean's standpoint is understandable and he is is honest and proud.
Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:44 pm
Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:38 am
dogfound wrote:RV Casual wrote:dogfound wrote:RV Casual wrote:Mental how outraged people get about it. Lots of people wear the poppy for all the wrong reasons these days.
I wear one, but if others don't choose to for legitimate reasons like McLean and Matic it doesn't bother me and I don't really see why it should bother anyone else either really as long as they are respectfull about it which McLean and Matic both have been from what iv always seen.
its not the not wearing.....its that he takes issue over the appeal every year while living {whether he likes it or not } under the protection of those very same armed forces..
blokes a hypocrite..
Care to point me in the direction of where he takes issue over the appeal?
If that's true then I agree, but I don't think it is.
He's chosen not to wear one and explained his reasons, it's other people who can't let it go mot McLean himself.
this year its social media and cavemen..its something every year..
don't think the explanation holds water or makes any sense at all { and is probably as big a cause for the abuse as anything, I know I was offended by how stupid he thinks people are tbh } ...if you die or get injured in a world war its fine to be remembered.....but if you get killed or injured while serving in an accident the day after the war the RBL should blank you as unworthy.. really ?
our { his as long as decides to work and live here } armed forces have no choice where or when they go or get to decide the rights and wrongs...the RBL don't have a say in foreign policy either they are a charity that's a safety net for our ex servicemen..i don't see any problem with any country having something similar whether they were once our enemy or not..
its about people not governments ..
Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:40 am
paulh_85 wrote:people get unnecessarily tribal over this sort of stuff. If he doesnt want to wear one then thats his call
Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:24 am
SirJimmySchoular wrote:paulh_85 wrote:people get unnecessarily tribal over this sort of stuff. If he doesnt want to wear one then thats his call
Good job lots of people have got tribal and defended your rights and his. Lots of them got killed of course, but who cares about that as long as we're seen to embrace various evil groups who hate us and them ?
Actually I don't wear a poppy myself although I make a donation , because I remember so many of the wonderful men ,( yeah they were generally men), who wasted their previous lives so we could end up with the police arresting people for distasteful jokes about Grenfell Tower and "transphobia". I was fortunate enough not to be killed, but others weren't and I don't want to encourage any kids to go and waste their lives for a country which doesn't like them much.
This nasty little bugger has said plenty of stuff in the past which shows what he is, which is why I didn't want the club to sign him when that seemed possible. In terms of Bloody Sunday, well there are two sides to that story and different versions of who started shooting. In any case, he probably wasn't even born then so if I'm not even sure what happened I don't think he can be.
I don't bear ill will towards anyone at this point, which some can't understand. It was a war you see and bad stuff happens in wars on all sides , but I thought we had a peace process ? If I can now respect those who took part on the other side as men who were acting in their capacity as combatants then I don't see why they can't . We don't prosecute them for what they did during those awful days, but they seem to want different rules for former British soldiers, don't they ?
I get the impression that you're of the persuasion that nothing about our culture tradition or history matters or is worth standing up for. In the sense that you're certainly in the majority, you're probably quite right at this point - anything's okay isn't it ?
That's the view which prevails , so enjoy the outcome which is inevitable, but even though I know I'm pissing in the wind I can't help saying that the man is a wicked little shit and I definitely do object to him going out if his way to stoke up old conflicts which are no more real to him than the last Wolftones song he heard. He's free not to wear a poppy but he could do that quietly like I expect most of those who fought on that side do , and he's free to say what he wants ( unlike people who say stuff the snowflakes don't like), but I can't sit here smiling like an idiot and accept it without answering when you pat him on the head for it.
Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:20 am
Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:33 am
Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:47 am
SirJimmySchoular wrote:paulh_85 wrote:people get unnecessarily tribal over this sort of stuff. If he doesnt want to wear one then thats his call
Good job lots of people have got tribal and defended your rights and his. Lots of them got killed of course, but who cares about that as long as we're seen to embrace various evil groups who hate us and them ?
Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:54 am
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:The problem is a section of the poppy wearers are either attempting to coerce or pressure others into wearing it by usually abuse. Wearing a poppy Is in a sense like voting, you have the right to vote but doesn't mean you have to vote. Not wearing a poppy or not voting isn't gonna make much of a difference to this country anyway.
But The British Legion do basically say everyone has the right to choose whether or not to wear one andntheyre against coersian. Great charity by the way.
Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:53 pm
Jock wrote:This scumbag sneered and grabbed his bollox at the National Anthem of the country where he plays and is very handsomely rewarded. He’s not making a point of principle, he’s playing to the cheap seats that’s all.
Interestingly I played golf with a football fan yesterday who , some years ago, slapped a white poppy salesman at Brentford took his money from him and gave it to a guy round the corner selling The Poppy. When his grandfather found out he went ballistic as he fought so “arseholes like the white poppy salesman were free to act like arseholes”.
Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:06 pm
phildavies wrote:Jock wrote:This scumbag sneered and grabbed his bollox at the National Anthem of the country where he plays and is very handsomely rewarded. He’s not making a point of principle, he’s playing to the cheap seats that’s all.
Interestingly I played golf with a football fan yesterday who , some years ago, slapped a white poppy salesman at Brentford took his money from him and gave it to a guy round the corner selling The Poppy. When his grandfather found out he went ballistic as he fought so “arseholes like the white poppy salesman were free to act like arseholes”.
How is being a pacifist being an arsehole exactly?
Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:06 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:paulh_85 wrote:people get unnecessarily tribal over this sort of stuff. If he doesnt want to wear one then thats his call
Good job lots of people have got tribal and defended your rights and his. Lots of them got killed of course, but who cares about that as long as we're seen to embrace various evil groups who hate us and them ?
Actually I don't wear a poppy myself although I make a donation , because I remember so many of the wonderful men ,( yeah they were generally men), who wasted their previous lives so we could end up with the police arresting people for distasteful jokes about Grenfell Tower and "transphobia". I was fortunate enough not to be killed, but others weren't and I don't want to encourage any kids to go and waste their lives for a country which doesn't like them much.
This nasty little bugger has said plenty of stuff in the past which shows what he is, which is why I didn't want the club to sign him when that seemed possible. In terms of Bloody Sunday, well there are two sides to that story and different versions of who started shooting. In any case, he probably wasn't even born then so if I'm not even sure what happened I don't think he can be.
I don't bear ill will towards anyone at this point, which some can't understand. It was a war you see and bad stuff happens in wars on all sides , but I thought we had a peace process ? If I can now respect those who took part on the other side as men who were acting in their capacity as combatants then I don't see why they can't . We don't prosecute them for what they did during those awful days, but they seem to want different rules for former British soldiers, don't they ?
I get the impression that you're of the persuasion that nothing about our culture tradition or history matters or is worth standing up for. In the sense that you're certainly in the majority, you're probably quite right at this point - anything's okay isn't it ?
That's the view which prevails , so enjoy the outcome which is inevitable, but even though I know I'm pissing in the wind I can't help saying that the man is a wicked little shit and I definitely do object to him going out if his way to stoke up old conflicts which are no more real to him than the last Wolftones song he heard. He's free not to wear a poppy but he could do that quietly like I expect most of those who fought on that side do , and he's free to say what he wants ( unlike people who say stuff the snowflakes don't like), but I can't sit here smiling like an idiot and accept it without answering when you pat him on the head for it.
You make a lot of assumptions in your reply to Paul and IMO most of them are wrong. You certainly don't seem to have a grasp on the Northern Irish conflict and how ingrained history is on both sides.
I agree with Paul it is up to McClean whether he wears a poppy or not. I personally wear a Poppy with Pride and I love my Country and the way it stood up to Germany twice during the 20th Century.
However if someone else chooses not to wear a Poppy then that is their choice, I don't like their view but as the fallen fought for freedom of speech then I wouldn't dream of imposing my view on them,