ch1ppy82 wrote:he was our attack because he was up top on his own lol the end of day everybody is entltled to there opinion
BluebirdForever wrote:I personally haven't slagged off Zohore yet and I'm not going to - although he wasn't excellent.
Individually, he put in a half-decent performance in a poor side and held up play well, won some free kicks but his shining moment was when played a ball through to Murphy. Now, I saw earlier that someone had said that the through ball was played through 'beautifully' but from the perspective you can get by watching the replay, the ball was going to the opponent - not to Murphy, henceforth, why Tarkowski got a yellow and not a red.
Aside from this, everything else was half-decent. But unfortunately, this isn't enough. From my point of view, the team just looked more flat. I'm not won over by Niasse but the difference between Niasse and Zohore is that the team appears to be far more lively with Niasse in the side. Perhaps it's his consistent running, I don't know, but how we can go from giving Chelsea a run for their money and coming close to scoring against Manchester City to hardly threatening Burnley's defence is unquestionably disappointing.
Granted, he isn't a Premier League striker and doesn't have incredibly high standards - this is something his 'haters' should keep in mind; but it's also something his supporters should keep in mind too. He isn't now and I don't think he will ever be. Hopefully I'm wrong but the glaringly obvious sign ahead of us is that Zohore was our star striker at the beginning of the season when we went something like 8 games with scoring just 4. Also, those 4 goals were scored by Camarasa, Ward, Murphy and Bamba. The team continued to look flat with Paterson up front too but when Niasse came in, we scored 9 goals in the next 8 games (not including Everton because he didn't play). Admittedly, Niasse wasn't responsible for any of them but he could have been responsible for more as we still looked dangerous in some games. His presence obviously means something.
Deep Blue FC wrote:BluebirdForever wrote:I personally haven't slagged off Zohore yet and I'm not going to - although he wasn't excellent.
Individually, he put in a half-decent performance in a poor side and held up play well, won some free kicks but his shining moment was when played a ball through to Murphy. Now, I saw earlier that someone had said that the through ball was played through 'beautifully' but from the perspective you can get by watching the replay, the ball was going to the opponent - not to Murphy, henceforth, why Tarkowski got a yellow and not a red.
Aside from this, everything else was half-decent. But unfortunately, this isn't enough. From my point of view, the team just looked more flat. I'm not won over by Niasse but the difference between Niasse and Zohore is that the team appears to be far more lively with Niasse in the side. Perhaps it's his consistent running, I don't know, but how we can go from giving Chelsea a run for their money and coming close to scoring against Manchester City to hardly threatening Burnley's defence is unquestionably disappointing.
Granted, he isn't a Premier League striker and doesn't have incredibly high standards - this is something his 'haters' should keep in mind; but it's also something his supporters should keep in mind too. He isn't now and I don't think he will ever be. Hopefully I'm wrong but the glaringly obvious sign ahead of us is that Zohore was our star striker at the beginning of the season when we went something like 8 games with scoring just 4. Also, those 4 goals were scored by Camarasa, Ward, Murphy and Bamba. The team continued to look flat with Paterson up front too but when Niasse came in, we scored 9 goals in the next 8 games (not including Everton because he didn't play). Admittedly, Niasse wasn't responsible for any of them but he could have been responsible for more as we still looked dangerous in some games. His presence obviously means something.
See, you attempt to give Zohore credit for his ball through to Murphy, which isn't the same one I called "beautiful". I'm talking about the one where Zohore was holding it up on the right wing, and out of nowhere played in Murphy where his shot was soft. You're talking about his ball through where it went to the defender and Murphy was fouled, that was not a good ball, I was not talking about that one.
But with the mention of the ball through to Murphy (Which you criticize because it wasn't the same one), why do you not mention the best chance of the game where Zohore spotted Hoilett in the box where Hoilett flied it over the bar when he's on the edge of the 6 yard box. Just makes me question people's agenda when they purposefully miss out star highlights in a game and mention the one pass he messed up.
2blue2handle wrote:A lot of our fans don't seem to have a clue, it's Zohore fault no its Ralls fault, no its Morrison fault, no its Niasse fault where is Zohore back to its Zohore fault.
A lot of people base their opinions especially on social media on nothing.
2blue2handle wrote:I've only seen bits of today's game so no idea how he played. I'm also a big fan of Zohore and think he was unfairly treated by some fans earlier in the season when he wasn't fit and the team were also very poor.
However for me Niasse should have started today, I think we have looked good with him playing in recent weeks.
I hope Zohore stays and shows his capabilities next season.
BluebirdForever wrote:2blue2handle wrote:I've only seen bits of today's game so no idea how he played. I'm also a big fan of Zohore and think he was unfairly treated by some fans earlier in the season when he wasn't fit and the team were also very poor.
However for me Niasse should have started today, I think we have looked good with him playing in recent weeks.
I hope Zohore stays and shows his capabilities next season.
Agree with every bit of this. It could also be interesting to see if Niasse and Zohore could play up front together at some point before the end of the season. It would sacrifice our defensive options but we need goals.
2blue2handle wrote:BluebirdForever wrote:2blue2handle wrote:I've only seen bits of today's game so no idea how he played. I'm also a big fan of Zohore and think he was unfairly treated by some fans earlier in the season when he wasn't fit and the team were also very poor.
However for me Niasse should have started today, I think we have looked good with him playing in recent weeks.
I hope Zohore stays and shows his capabilities next season.
Agree with every bit of this. It could also be interesting to see if Niasse and Zohore could play up front together at some point before the end of the season. It would sacrifice our defensive options but we need goals.
They did at Wolves, problem was getting the ball to them.
For me if we are going for goals Reid as nunber 10 could be the key but then I'm not sure where Camarasa fits into the team, maybe wide or Reid goes wide.
BluebirdForever wrote:2blue2handle wrote:BluebirdForever wrote:2blue2handle wrote:I've only seen bits of today's game so no idea how he played. I'm also a big fan of Zohore and think he was unfairly treated by some fans earlier in the season when he wasn't fit and the team were also very poor.
However for me Niasse should have started today, I think we have looked good with him playing in recent weeks.
I hope Zohore stays and shows his capabilities next season.
Agree with every bit of this. It could also be interesting to see if Niasse and Zohore could play up front together at some point before the end of the season. It would sacrifice our defensive options but we need goals.
They did at Wolves, problem was getting the ball to them.
For me if we are going for goals Reid as nunber 10 could be the key but then I'm not sure where Camarasa fits into the team, maybe wide or Reid goes wide.
--------------------------------Zohore-----------------------------------
----------------Reid------------------------------Niasse-----------------
-------------------------------Camarasa----------------------------------
----------------Gunnarsson-------------Arter----------------------------
Bennett-------Morrison------------------Manga----------------Peltier
-------------------------------Etheridge----------------------------------
This perhaps? The three up front playing closely together with Camarasa playing just behind them with Reid and Niasse playing free roles. If we went ahead then we could take off Reid and Niasse and put on Hoilett and Murphy/Mendez-Laing and stretch them out wide and go more defensive. Or take off Zohore, put Reid/Niasse up top and take the other two off.
stickywicket wrote:--------------------------------Zohore-----------------------------------
----------------Reid------------------------------Niasse-----------------
-------------------------------Camarasa----------------------------------
----------------Gunnarsson-------------Arter----------------------------
Bennett-------Morrison------------------Manga----------------Peltier
-------------------------------Etheridge----------------------------------
This perhaps? The three up front playing closely together with Camarasa playing just behind them with Reid and Niasse playing free roles. If we went ahead then we could take off Reid and Niasse and put on Hoilett and Murphy/Mendez-Laing and stretch them out wide and go more defensive. Or take off Zohore, put Reid/Niasse up top and take the other two off.
Crayfish wrote:I was at the game yesterday and my assessment of Zohore is based on watching him play. I thought he was very poor and did nothing very much. I don't paticularly like Niasse but I would have been very happy to see him replace Zohore at half time. Everyone has a different opinion of course but to make Zohore the man of the match is frankly perverse. Thought the Wales on line assessment of four was about right maybe even a little generous.
Crayfish wrote:I would point out that the Wales Online reporter gave him 4 out of ten and the Sunday Times 5 so they thought he was a bit crap too. I don't think the Sunday Times man is a Cardiff fan.
BluebirdForever wrote:Deep Blue FC wrote:BluebirdForever wrote:I personally haven't slagged off Zohore yet and I'm not going to - although he wasn't excellent.
Individually, he put in a half-decent performance in a poor side and held up play well, won some free kicks but his shining moment was when played a ball through to Murphy. Now, I saw earlier that someone had said that the through ball was played through 'beautifully' but from the perspective you can get by watching the replay, the ball was going to the opponent - not to Murphy, henceforth, why Tarkowski got a yellow and not a red.
Aside from this, everything else was half-decent. But unfortunately, this isn't enough. From my point of view, the team just looked more flat. I'm not won over by Niasse but the difference between Niasse and Zohore is that the team appears to be far more lively with Niasse in the side. Perhaps it's his consistent running, I don't know, but how we can go from giving Chelsea a run for their money and coming close to scoring against Manchester City to hardly threatening Burnley's defence is unquestionably disappointing.
Granted, he isn't a Premier League striker and doesn't have incredibly high standards - this is something his 'haters' should keep in mind; but it's also something his supporters should keep in mind too. He isn't now and I don't think he will ever be. Hopefully I'm wrong but the glaringly obvious sign ahead of us is that Zohore was our star striker at the beginning of the season when we went something like 8 games with scoring just 4. Also, those 4 goals were scored by Camarasa, Ward, Murphy and Bamba. The team continued to look flat with Paterson up front too but when Niasse came in, we scored 9 goals in the next 8 games (not including Everton because he didn't play). Admittedly, Niasse wasn't responsible for any of them but he could have been responsible for more as we still looked dangerous in some games. His presence obviously means something.
See, you attempt to give Zohore credit for his ball through to Murphy, which isn't the same one I called "beautiful". I'm talking about the one where Zohore was holding it up on the right wing, and out of nowhere played in Murphy where his shot was soft. You're talking about his ball through where it went to the defender and Murphy was fouled, that was not a good ball, I was not talking about that one.
But with the mention of the ball through to Murphy (Which you criticize because it wasn't the same one), why do you not mention the best chance of the game where Zohore spotted Hoilett in the box where Hoilett flied it over the bar when he's on the edge of the 6 yard box. Just makes me question people's agenda when they purposefully miss out star highlights in a game and mention the one pass he messed up.
Ok, I made a mistake by getting the pass wrong, I'll concede that but you're missing the point.
He did hold up play well - like I said - and individually, he put in a good performance. But when he was a regular starter at the beginning of the season, when the team looked flat, and the team looked flat today, while he was in the team. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I just don't think he brings as much to the team as Niasse does - despite the lack of goals from both of them.
Personally I like Zohore - I think overall (in his career with us) he's been a decent servant and has been a star player in some big and memorable in recent years. So, you're wrong with your last sentence "...purposefully miss out star highlights..." - no, I offered a fair perception and made one mistake. Not everyone has it 'out for Zohore', they're frustrated because he showed so much promise before faltering so rapidly.
I might have missed out one thing that happened (which I forgot about) and misjudged the other but don't forget there were numerous other instances in the game where he should've done better too - like his incompetence to translate his physical presence to aerial threat and sometimes he got pushed off the ball too easily by Tarkowski and Mee so you cannot accuse fans of being one sided just because they missed out one of the hundred things that happens in football matches
Nuclearblue wrote:Agreed ábout Zohore But you detest our fans is going a bit far wouldn’t you say ?
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