" Lets All be Really Honest/Cardiff City has always "

Cardiff City has always been in Financial trouble.

Many times days away from going under and even hours.


We were £500,000 in Debt in the 4th Div, a lot for that Division in 2000. We were in trouble then big time.
The truth is Cardiff City has always been at deaths door.

These are just a few chairmen off the cuff.

Under Bob Grogan we were ok, then he died and Kenton Utilites, run by his son never wanted us and refused to put any money in to us.

Under Tony Clemo we were days from being wound up in the courts and I rem his business being attacked, We were told our club had days to survive. Meeting in the City Arms 100 of us, bucket collections etc.

Under Samesh Kumar we were going to be wound up.

The Ice Hockey men Paul Guy etc Moving to a 2 sided stadium holding 12,000.Nothing but debts and lies.

Under Sam we were weeks from being wound up, the fans once again feeling let down.

The Riddler screwed us and we were once again about to be wound up for lets say the 12th time in the last 30 years.
I could go on and on.

Administration/Liquidation/Wound up/Bailiffs at the door we've had it all.
I could write a book.

The facts are there and anyone who was really around during those years will know Cardiff City has been on many occasions just been 24hrs from being wound up, but weve always come through it and survived and the there is always somebody around the corner as the saying goes. I was at fans meetings in the late 70's/80's/90's and we talking about how to save our club then.
We always came through it and remained Cardiff City, Blue and the BlueBirds and Proud with it.

Oh and by the way you dont end up the Welsh League, the door is open to stay in the English League, but as fans we always rallied around and stuck together and our club as Ive said came through it and thats why we were once very proud and passionate fans.

We were never divided like this, yes there were battles between areas, but when it really mattered we were all as one.

WE NEED OUR FANS TO BE UNITED ONCE AGAIN AND BE PROUD AND PASSIONATE/ I SO MISS THAT.

I miss the united passion of the fans, even with Riddler, a majority felt together etc, us against the world it felt but we were all together as one

I miss the united passion of the fans, even with Riddler, a majority felt together etc, us against the world it felt but we were all together as one

Reading annis,s post and you mentioning the riddler reminds me that whilst I agree with us always being in debt for years. under the riddler was the first time we had ever got to court with the threat of liquidation

Annis our troubles have been on going since 1978 at least!
just our luck to find someone who wants to much in return for his money!

sadly it seems for us fans to be "united" we have to accept the changes, we need a strong voice and some comprimise for this to happen im thinking

sadly it seems for us fans to be "united" we have to accept the changes, we need a strong voice and some comprimise for this to happen im thinking

no you dont all you have to do is have your opinion and accept whether you are red or blue your all fans in the same position and you just support the team.

It's all relative!!! The higher we are in the league the more debt we will be in!!

We are Cardiff and we should always stand together as ONE. We have in the past through thick and thin, Don't let anyone or anything break us , No one like us and that's the way we like it. We are Cardiff and we do what we want !!!!

Here here

its different this time, we have a different generation of fans, who dont know
what its like to support a team who dont win, and watch them with 2000 at home
and 2 coaches away.

I will always support cardiff, will never wear red or support the re-brand. but thats
me, up to others if they want to wear red.

dont thing the demo against blackburn will get us any were , rather support the team
in blue, them any demo's after we get up, and then the biggest demo will be if every
one wears blue.

some lady offered me and my daughter red scarfs on tuesday and seemed supprised
we refused them, even said there free, she missed the point, she sits behind me and my
dauhter and said in the game i am proud of my scarf, thats up to her, as i said i will always
support cardiff but never the re-brand.

A bit odd this thread as it seems to be indicating that we have to max out on the credit card before the fans become passionate?????

If that's the case then surely £100m worth of debt would make us a world leader in debt related passion, coming only second to Greece.

It is true that we have always been in some kind of financial shite, but after being Ridsdaled we really are in last chance saloon with Vincent Tan.

That's why I am willing to throw my hat into the ring with his vision and hope that one day we really do become debt free and then return to playing in blue.

its different this time, we have a different generation of fans, who dont know
what its like to support a team who dont win, and watch them with 2000 at home
and 2 coaches away.

I will always support cardiff, will never wear red or support the re-brand. but thats
me, up to others if they want to wear red.

dont thing the demo against blackburn will get us any were , rather support the team
in blue, them any demo's after we get up, and then the biggest demo will be if every
one wears blue.

some lady offered me and my daughter red scarfs on tuesday and seemed supprised
we refused them, even said there free, she missed the point, she sits behind me and my
dauhter and said in the game i am proud of my scarf, thats up to her, as i said i will always
support cardiff but never the re-brand.

A lot of sense in this post.

At the end of the day accepting the rebrand fully, partly or not at all is a personal choice.

Also the protest vs Blackburn will be an absolute waste of time. Yes fans can protest if they feel strongly enough, but what will infuriate me is the fact that WHEN it flops big time, those who organised it will look to blame everyone else but themselves.

Annis I've still got the leaflet that was handed out in the tony clemo days with the heading the CLEMO DEMO we wouldn't of put up with this crap in them days

We all used to be together as one, but now we're divided into two.

We will never be the same UNLESS we go back to blue.

We've always been controversial as long as I can remember, and I'm sure we will be in the future, that's the way it is, the roller coaster that is Cardiff City, some people wouldn't want it any other way.

I've been supporting Cardiff since the 80's and i've never seen the fans like this. We had the kum's and ridsdale's but at the time ALL cardiff was as one against the regime. I'm a 'reluctant red' but it's fair to say Tan has got us close to the prem and in some ways saved us from a Portsmouth like exsistence. BUT it has to stop where it is!! Anything over this then what comes is fair game!

Just a bit of historical fact Annis, but under Bob Grogan finances were not ok at our club at all. During the late 70's Cardiff City F.C. were in such dire straights financially that the club was made a "subsidiary" of Kenton Utilities, a Jarrow based engineering company headed by Bob Grogan himself. It was thanks to him (BOB Grogan) that his company did all the safety work at Ninian Park in order to comply with the then sports ground safety act,,,,remember the old wooden Grange end being pulled down, the Bob bank having emergency evacuation exits at the rear, & a host of other safety work which reduced the NP capacity from around 50.000 to a little over 20.000. All very expensive, but necessary at the time.
The very same reason Wales played a "home" World cup qualifying game v Scotland at Anfield in 1977.

I thought Grogan was hard done by,Clemo a spiv.Hamman the biggest fraud going,there must be something wrong with me the rebrand just does'nt bother me or my mates,of course i'd rather play in blue and i think when Tan gets a good pay day and moves on we will.The only time i did my nut was when that clown Hamman was going to call us Cardiff celts,that would have been the final straw for me.

Cardiff City has always been in Financial trouble.

Many times days away from going under and even hours.


We were £500,000 in Debt in the 4th Div, a lot for that Division in 2000. We were in trouble then big time.
The truth is Cardiff City has always been at deaths door.

These are just a few chairmen off the cuff.

Under Bob Grogan we were ok, then he died and Kenton Utilites, run by his son never wanted us and refused to put any money in to us.

Under Tony Clemo we were days from being wound up in the courts and I rem his business being attacked, We were told our club had days to survive. Meeting in the City Arms 100 of us, bucket collections etc.

Under Samesh Kumar we were going to be wound up.

The Ice Hockey men Paul Guy etc Moving to a 2 sided stadium holding 12,000.Nothing but debts and lies.

Under Sam we were weeks from being wound up, the fans once again feeling let down.

The Riddler screwed us and we were once again about to be wound up for lets say the 12th time in the last 30 years.
I could go on and on.

Administration/Liquidation/Wound up/Bailiffs at the door we've had it all.
I could write a book.

The facts are there and anyone who was really around during those years will know Cardiff City has been on many occasions just been 24hrs from being wound up, but weve always come through it and survived and the there is always somebody around the corner as the saying goes. I was at fans meetings in the late 70's/80's/90's and we talking about how to save our club then.
We always came through it and remained Cardiff City, Blue and the BlueBirds and Proud with it.

Oh and by the way you dont end up the Welsh League, the door is open to stay in the English League, but as fans we always rallied around and stuck together and our club as Ive said came through it and thats why we were once very proud and passionate fans.

We were never divided like this, yes there were battles between areas, but when it really mattered we were all as one.

WE NEED OUR FANS TO BE UNITED ONCE AGAIN AND BE PROUD AND PASSIONATE/ I SO MISS THAT.

Bang on can relate to this thread and to be honest its the reason I hate the re brand we have had it hard as a club over many many years.We have had to cling on to this club we have all cherished doing so .All these hard times makes a super passionate fan its easy supporting a winning team but to what we have supporting this club is special.

These are all the reason why we should cling on to this club and its badge the bluebird and our colours its because we always have done to me that is a Cardiff fan.To loose the colours and badges of are club without a fight goes against years of supporting this club it actually what its all about.

I have never supported any other team because supporting this one has been brilliant the fight and passion of our fans I always respected until now.

I will carry on the fighting for my club as I always have done and like Annis says we have always pulled through .Its just a shame more people dont think like this and stand up for the club and its traditions.

Just a bit of historical fact Annis, but under Bob Grogan finances were not ok at our club at all. During the late 70's Cardiff City F.C. were in such dire straights financially that the club was made a "subsidiary" of Kenton Utilities, a Jarrow based engineering company headed by Bob Grogan himself. It was thanks to him (BOB Grogan) that his company did all the safety work at Ninian Park in order to comply with the then sports ground safety act,,,,remember the old wooden Grange end being pulled down, the Bob bank having emergency evacuation exits at the rear, & a host of other safety work which reduced the NP capacity from around 50.000 to a little over 20.000. All very expensive, but necessary at the time.
The very same reason Wales played a "home" World cup qualifying game v Scotland at Anfield in 1977.

I thought we had to play the 1977 game against Scotland away from Wales as a punishment because of the trouble the previous year when we played Yugoslavia - I may be wrong on that though and perhaps it's a false memory.

I will still be turning up to support the team until the end of the season but after last Tuesday I really can't see me renewing my season ticket for next season. Like I said, £320 to Tan or £320 to my own family. It's not what everyone would do but it's how I feel and I have to stay true to myself.

Just a bit of historical fact Annis, but under Bob Grogan finances were not ok at our club at all. During the late 70's Cardiff City F.C. were in such dire straights financially that the club was made a "subsidiary" of Kenton Utilities, a Jarrow based engineering company headed by Bob Grogan himself. It was thanks to him (BOB Grogan) that his company did all the safety work at Ninian Park in order to comply with the then sports ground safety act,,,,remember the old wooden Grange end being pulled down, the Bob bank having emergency evacuation exits at the rear, & a host of other safety work which reduced the NP capacity from around 50.000 to a little over 20.000. All very expensive, but necessary at the time.
The very same reason Wales played a "home" World cup qualifying game v Scotland at Anfield in 1977.

I thought we had to play the 1977 game against Scotland away from Wales as a punishment because of the trouble the previous year when we played Yugoslavia - I may be wrong on that though and perhaps it's a false memory.

No die you are correct

Just a bit of historical fact Annis, but under Bob Grogan finances were not ok at our club at all. During the late 70's Cardiff City F.C. were in such dire straights financially that the club was made a "subsidiary" of Kenton Utilities, a Jarrow based engineering company headed by Bob Grogan himself. It was thanks to him (BOB Grogan) that his company did all the safety work at Ninian Park in order to comply with the then sports ground safety act,,,,remember the old wooden Grange end being pulled down, the Bob bank having emergency evacuation exits at the rear, & a host of other safety work which reduced the NP capacity from around 50.000 to a little over 20.000. All very expensive, but necessary at the time.
The very same reason Wales played a "home" World cup qualifying game v Scotland at Anfield in 1977.

I thought we had to play the 1977 game against Scotland away from Wales as a punishment because of the trouble the previous year when we played Yugoslavia - I may be wrong on that though and perhaps it's a false memory.

No die you are correct

Come to think of it Die, you might be right, but in Phil Steads fine book, "Red dragons" he makes no reference to this fact,,, apart from the fact that South Glamorgan Council would only provide a safety certificate for NP for 14.050 people for this game.
The rest of it is pretty much how i remember things.

I'm also sure that during the period of time that the safety work was being carried out, (late 70's) the NP capacity was limited to around about 11.000.