Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:57 pm
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:59 am
12thMan wrote:
I'm never going to be in a position to post screenshots of bets, as they have to be placed in person in Vegas but the odds aren't as good as bookmakers.
12thMan wrote:
I place bets early across multiple outlets and use oddschecker to get the best price.
12thMan wrote:
Another profitable night.
I'll post screenshots tomorrow, it 5am!!!
Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:44 pm
I sqw you tell someone you had to place all your bets in person in Vegas as you were banned from bookmakers so couldnt provide proof, yet then when you tip on your site claim they were done in a bookmaker at the best odds possible from odds checker and tell me you continuously watch the odds checker lines to get the best price.
You are happy to say you haven't lost in 5 events - yet refuse to prove it.
You promised a screenshot of your last £3000 bet at boylesports because you had odds of 5-1 when indeed the odds were evens (even though the odds had barely moved since it came online) - and then backed out of the promise for no reason what so ever.
You have had other accusations on the other cardiff site too regarding editing of amounts after a losing week to manipulate the figures to look like a profit had been made.
I have a tipping thread here and screenshot everything, its easy and takes seconds
Sorry 12th man but you look like a complete fraud.
Yet when asked where you get the odds from regarding your website as they are always over inflated you say:-
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:21 pm
12thMan wrote:Hey Roathie,
You take a lot of flack on this message board mate, but to be honest I always liked you and I thought we always got on pretty cool.
I do take a lot of flack, its because of my brutal honesty. If I felt my mum was defrauding people then I would let her know about it too.
That's why it's kind of caught my off guard, how you always seem to try to take me down.
how is it trying to take you down? Im simply asking for one piece of proof that is common amongst tippers. A lot of what you say doesnt add up in the slightest and I have had PM's highlighting other peoples concerns about your genuine intentions.
You derail a lot of threads and troll a lot of people on here, but because I've always been respectful to you, I kind of expected the same back, but I guess this was being too optimistic.
can you point out one thread? Only one will do. It is not the case thats why. I do not troll but i often post what others may not want to, like this. That isnt trolling.
I'm really busy these days mate, you might have noticed that I don't post on here as much as I used to and that's because I run a few businesses now and I don't have that much spare time.
completely irrelevant. As ive just shown it takes 30 seconds to provide a screenshot and the amount of times you have posted telling me how much time you dont have you could have posted a million. Yet you choose not to, for a reason obviously.
As a result I'll respond to everything you've just brought up, but I won't be responding to you in future because I feel like you're just trying to make me look bad.
how am I making you look bad? I have asked for ONE screenshot, how is that making you look bad. It is only making you look bad if you cant do it, that doesnt lie at my door it lies at yours. You are making yourself look bad by your complete refusal to back up any claims you make while contradicting everything you say...
Here goes...I sqw you tell someone you had to place all your bets in person in Vegas as you were banned from bookmakers so couldnt provide proof, yet then when you tip on your site claim they were done in a bookmaker at the best odds possible from odds checker and tell me you continuously watch the odds checker lines to get the best price.
I've answered a lot of questions about how I place my bets and it's a very difficult process and very time consuming. Some Sportsbooks have a maximum bet as low as £50 on some MMA betting lines, so staking big money really is a full time job.
yet you say you have no time because you have 2 businesses as well as working in tescos? Again the inaccuracies continue.
I place my bets across 40 online Sportsbooks and in betting shops. Some of these are in the UK and some are in America. I often answer questions in relation to specific bets I've placed.
but you said you were banned from them all so have to do it in person in Vegas? - see how ridiculous this sounds?
I might have bet all my money on a particular bet in a Vegas betting shop one time, but that answer shouldn't be applied to every bet I place. Some bets I do solely in betting shops, others I do solely online [if it's possible]
that is clearly not what you said. You said you cannot place bets in bookmakers as they have either banned you or dont accept bets of more than £50 so you have to do it in person in Vegas - that doesnt refer to just 1 time.
I don't say on my website that I place my bets with any particular Sportsbook, but I do say which Sportsbook has the best odds [at the time I publish an article]. It would be impractical for me to drill down and detail exactly where and how I place each of my bets. It would also bore people. The majority of people come to my website for betting tips and interesting articles, not to see an audit trail and boring numbers.
on your website you say such like as "£3000 on @ 1.5" - which is the highest odds that oddschecker show at that time. Yet of you cant bet in bookmakers then why are you saying you got the £3000 on @ 1.5? That is one of many where your story makes no sense and manipulation is key.
I check the odds on MMA pretty much every hour of every day. Betting lines shift fast and you can get a hell of a lot of value by betting early. For example Robbie Lawler opened up as a 6.50 underdog against Johny Hendricks tomorrow night. That price has now come down as low as 3.65 with the largest Sportsbook in America.
that is nothing to do with anything.You are happy to say you haven't lost in 5 events - yet refuse to prove it.
I'm glad you said this, as it helped me to identify you as a troll. This is the silliest thing you have ever said to me.
why is that silly? You ARE refusing to prove it.
I have 5600 followers on Twitter and I wouldn't last 5 minutes if I fiddling my results. I post my tips before an event and I post my results after it. It would be impossible for me to fudge my results, because so many people visit my website every day and engage with me on Twitter. This is a very silly thing for you to say.
the fake football agent has 100k twitter followers for Gods sake. That is not an endorsement. Again, why would you find it hard to provide one 30 second screenshot yet be happy to go through all this?
Don't believe me? See for yourself...
http://www.twitter.com/mma_betting
And my results here:
http://mmabettingtips.com/category/mma-ufc-betting-results/
Which perfectly match up with my tips here:
http://mmabettingtips.com/category/latest-mma-ufc-betting-tips/
If I was fixing things, why would I be so open about my tips and results on Social Media and open forums like this? You're a good troll mate, but not a very smart one...
but anyone can do that. I bet you any money you wish that I can return a greater profit than you on tonights MMA if I dont have to provide screenshots.You promised a screenshot of your last £3000 bet at boylesports because you had odds of 5-1 when indeed the odds were evens (even though the odds had barely moved since it came online) - and then backed out of the promise for no reason what so ever.
I'm going to be brutally honest with you mate. I can't be arsed doing it.
yet can be arsed to write all this? Funny that.
I can't be arsed logging into my account, taking a screenshot, cropping it in Photoshop, logging into my website control panel, uploading the image to my website and posting the link on here.
it takes 30 seconds as ive just proved. Add another 20 seconds for you to find the bet screen. 50 seconds in total.
It's a lot of effort for a nutter on the internet who's looking for a bite. If you never visit my website again, I'd actually be happy about it. You're a waste of bandwith. So I kind of definitely don't want to post anything now, in the hope that you will go away.
ive visited your website once I believe and when i checked the odds you had to the odds you listed I was amazed by its inaccuracy.You have had other accusations on the other cardiff site too regarding editing of amounts after a losing week to manipulate the figures to look like a profit had been made.
A guy accused me of fiddling my results. I told him he was talking shit.
He then spent the next 40 minutes on my website [I could see him on Google Analytics] checking every single one of my tips and results pages using http://www.cachedpages.com to try and catch me out.
Guess what?
He found nothing because I don't fiddle my results and I never heard from him again...
so you can track someone for 40 minutes on the internet but cant spend 50 seconds to get a screen grab? Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds?I have a tipping thread here and screenshot everything, its easy and takes seconds
You clearly have too much time on your hands. You're lucky mate.
funnily enough it is my two businesses that allow me to have time on my hands. A screenshot takes as much time as writing an extra sentence, your refusal to even provide one speaks volumes.
I wish I had enough time to dick around on a message board updating betting results on a website that no one reads. You're really cool. You need to get out more...
3000 views says otherwise. However it isnt for notoriety, it is for genuine betting fans to make some money. I was asked to do it and for transparency provide screen shots, it is standard practice and easy to do.Sorry 12th man but you look like a complete fraud.
5600 Twitter followers, 808 Facebook Fans and 400 Youtube Subscribers would disagree with you.
really? I follow robbie savage because I think hes a cock not because I think hes great.
In addition, 48% of people that visit my website regularly return to it, which is an incredible statistic when you consider all the bots and spammers that fly around the internet. This clearly indicates that people find my content useful and believe I am a credible source of information.
so 52% of people see your tips and then never visit again? I wonder why.
I've never had anyone complain that I've lost them any money. My record is incredible.
yet you are unwilling to show? Again i know nothing of MMA and i bet you any money I return a bigger profit than you if I dont have to provide screenshots.Yet when asked where you get the odds from regarding your website as they are always over inflated you say:-
My odds are NEVER inflated. They are the odds that were available at the time of publishing the article.
they are always over inflated. If you can only get a certain amount on then it means you would have got those odds across the board yet your money is all on the biggest the odds have been - sometimes as high as the odds have NEVER been
One of the reasons why MMA is so great to bet on, is because the bookmakers frequently offer incredible value odds, due to their lack of experience in the sport [MMA in it's modern form is only 20 years old].
irrelevant
When money starts to get placed on these odds, the odds drop rapidly and that's why they might appear inflated by the time fight night rolls around.
I'll give you an example...
Miesha Tate opened up as an 11/1 underdog when she fought Ronda Rousey back in December. On the day of the fight the odds had dropped to as low as 2/1.
irrelevant. Happens in every sport. The fact is you said you cant bet in bookmakers or if you can are restricted to £50 then how come you get sums of £5000 on people at the best odds? Its nonsense.
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I won't be responding to you again, ever, because you're just trying to bring me down and you're a big fat waste of energy.
if i was trying to "bring you down" i would be asking an impossible task of you. Ive simply asked you to provide a screenshot, if this is seen as bringing you down then it tells me you have an issue doing it.
Whenever you message me again, I'll just copy and paste this message, in the hope that people will realised you're just a trolling douchebag.
It will be my duty to warn people until you can prove that you are genuine. Post it all you like, i will post this reply.
Thanks a lot and have a great weekend!
still no screenshot?