Deliberate Act of Sabotage

I have considered this view very carefully indeed, and I have come to an unescapable conclusion for me, that Tan is deliberately and systematically destroying the club, as an act of revenge for all the perceived 'insults' we have thrown his way over the years.

It's not about a lack of football knowledge, its not about losing money on the club, and it isn't him simply being a businessman with a millionaires plaything.

It's sheer bloody minded vindictiveness - and it's got to stop. Or CCFC will be no more under his continued stewardship, if thats what you can call it.

He knows full well what he is doing. You don't be a successful businessman in the Far East, then on a whim or gamble employ a 'manager' who has never managed properly at this level before, over other experienced managers who can get us out of this mire, without having full knowledge and forethought of what you are doing.

He has to go, and take his two showroom dummies with him.

Hard to disagree with any of that

Let’s just say he doesn’t make decision with the clubs best interests at heart, he never has

Totally agree.great post

Well it makes you think that with what is going on but its hard to believe this is his intention or is it?

I absolutely agree with this.
This is the post I sent to my son last night.

"We know how vindictive Tan is. Malky situation, (whether justified or not). Endless court cases (justified or not). I just wonder if Tan is actively running this club into the ground out of sheer malice. I know he will lose millions, but at his age and with the wealth he still has left, I don’t think he’s remotely bothered about losing what he’s already spent". This has a long way to go yet.

Last edited by BLUE54 on Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:16 am, edited 1 time in total.

I can't see someone having that much money to purposely operate at a loss. The regime are clearly trying to cost cut, and the proof is in the pudding; but surely not.

I'd say it's more likely that we're one of his plethora of business' that are operating at loss and he's just lost interest.

Who knows, though? This bonehead thought it'd be a good idea to change our home kit which 99% of the football fans globally disagreed with, with that 1% being half of our own fans.

But surely if we were just one of his businesses that is losing money, then he would sell it to get rid. There have been what I would consider "decent offers" on the table that he is not remotely interested in. He would rather continue to lose money than sell. I think there is more to it than he's just lost interest.

People think he's vindictive enough to lose £100m of his own money?? May have lost interest may be usless at running a football club but to say he's vindictive enough to want to lose £100m is far fetched idea..

But surely if we were just one of his businesses that is losing money, then he would sell it to get rid. There have been what I would consider "decent offers" on the table that he is not remotely interested in. He would rather continue to lose money than sell. I think there is more to it than he's just lost interest.

A "decent offer" is only true if it's Tan's view of it.

I wouldn't sell my depreciating car for less than what I think it's worth.

I want the clown out, but if he's content, then what we want is irrelevant.

I have considered this view very carefully indeed, and I have come to an unescapable conclusion for me, that Tan is deliberately and systematically destroying the club, as an act of revenge for all the perceived 'insults' we have thrown his way over the years.

It's not about a lack of football knowledge, its not about losing money on the club, and it isn't him simply being a businessman with a millionaires plaything.

It's sheer bloody minded vindictiveness - and it's got to stop. Or CCFC will be no more under his continued stewardship, if thats what you can call it.

He knows full well what he is doing. You don't be a successful businessman in the Far East, then on a whim or gamble employ a 'manager' who has never managed properly at this level before, over other experienced managers who can get us out of this mire, without having full knowledge and forethought of what you are doing.

He has to go, and take his two showroom dummies with him.

With putting 11 million a season in what a load of nonsense he nit doing it on purpose, he's just being badly advised by dalman and choo ,

People keep on saying how Tan is putting £11M a year in to keep us afloat, but I just can't work out (if that is true) why he's doing it? He doesn't seem to like football. He hardly ever attends games. He doesn't seem to have any affinity with the fans. Does he like to look incompetent and foolish? So, tell me, why would a relatively successful businessman do what he is doing with NO possible financial gain in sight? Can someone please enlighten me?

I have considered this view very carefully indeed, and I have come to an unescapable conclusion for me, that Tan is deliberately and systematically destroying the club, as an act of revenge for all the perceived 'insults' we have thrown his way over the years.

It's not about a lack of football knowledge, its not about losing money on the club, and it isn't him simply being a businessman with a millionaires plaything.

It's sheer bloody minded vindictiveness - and it's got to stop. Or CCFC will be no more under his continued stewardship, if thats what you can call it.

He knows full well what he is doing. You don't be a successful businessman in the Far East, then on a whim or gamble employ a 'manager' who has never managed properly at this level before, over other experienced managers who can get us out of this mire, without having full knowledge and forethought of what you are doing.

He has to go, and take his two showroom dummies with him.

He would be wasting his own money, he's just a hopeless owner who is scared of appointing the right football people in case they rip him off.

He's stubborn and won't listen to reason and is wasting a small fortune, he should sell up while its still worth something, rather than increasing the debts and reducing the clubs resale value.

People keep on saying how Tan is putting £11M a year in to keep us afloat, but I just can't work out (if that is true) why he's doing it? He doesn't seem to like football. He hardly ever attends games. He doesn't seem to have any affinity with the fans. Does he like to look incompetent and foolish? So, tell me, why would a relatively successful businessman do what he is doing with NO possible financial gain in sight? Can someone please enlighten me?

He is, the accounts are public.

It's business running costs, you can't just not pay because you don't attend games or care about the business.

But surely if we were just one of his businesses that is losing money, then he would sell it to get rid. There have been what I would consider "decent offers" on the table that he is not remotely interested in. He would rather continue to lose money than sell. I think there is more to it than he's just lost interest.

A "decent offer" is only true if it's Tan's view of it.

I wouldn't sell my depreciating car for less than what I think it's worth.

I want the clown out, but if he's content, then what we want is irrelevant.

So, you would hold on to your depreciating car until it depreciates to point of being worthless? I don't see the logic there. Surely there is a point to cutting your losses?

Far better way of doing it then paying millions a month to keep us in business. A better way would be to just pull the plug and not cost him anymore money.

I honestly believe he feels the board are doing a good job.

But surely if we were just one of his businesses that is losing money, then he would sell it to get rid. There have been what I would consider "decent offers" on the table that he is not remotely interested in. He would rather continue to lose money than sell. I think there is more to it than he's just lost interest.

A "decent offer" is only true if it's Tan's view of it.

I wouldn't sell my depreciating car for less than what I think it's worth.

I want the clown out, but if he's content, then what we want is irrelevant.

So, you would hold on to your depreciating car until it depreciates to point of being worthless? I don't see the logic there. Surely there is a point to cutting your losses?

You can't compare a car to a football club & even if you could plenty of people hold onto cars until they're worthless and then buy another car.

No disrespect to any of you but you are normal "Joes" in the street. We have no idea how his financial structure works.

Victoria Bechhams fashion brand loses money year on year, the Beckhams holding group company bails it out every year, but the value of her business is growing even though it has never turned a profit. Her losses offset their profits and lower corporation taxes. They also do a lot of their travel on the VB jet (which is in her fashion company).

Tan wants to hold onto the asset hoping that it grows. The yank hedge funds believe football is still undervalued when they compare it to US sports, so IMO he is just treading water. He is about to drown so i guess he'll have to spend in over the window as we are going down and the asset will depreciate a lot then.

I think the younger Tan loved the notoriety of handing Steven Gerard the League cup, what an international buzz that must have been, he was thrust into the big leagues but he has grown tired of us but thinks he can still make his investment pay.

We need to make his mind up for him

But surely if we were just one of his businesses that is losing money, then he would sell it to get rid. There have been what I would consider "decent offers" on the table that he is not remotely interested in. He would rather continue to lose money than sell. I think there is more to it than he's just lost interest.

A "decent offer" is only true if it's Tan's view of it.

I wouldn't sell my depreciating car for less than what I think it's worth.

I want the clown out, but if he's content, then what we want is irrelevant.

So, you would hold on to your depreciating car until it depreciates to point of being worthless? I don't see the logic there. Surely there is a point to cutting your losses?

You can't compare a car to a football club & even if you could plenty of people hold onto cars until they're worthless and then buy another car.

But surely if we were just one of his businesses that is losing money, then he would sell it to get rid. There have been what I would consider "decent offers" on the table that he is not remotely interested in. He would rather continue to lose money than sell. I think there is more to it than he's just lost interest.

A "decent offer" is only true if it's Tan's view of it.

I wouldn't sell my depreciating car for less than what I think it's worth.

I want the clown out, but if he's content, then what we want is irrelevant.

So, you would hold on to your depreciating car until it depreciates to point of being worthless? I don't see the logic there. Surely there is a point to cutting your losses?

You can't compare a car to a football club & even if you could plenty of people hold onto cars until they're worthless and then buy another car.

Yes, and that's my original point exactly. He can hold onto us and run us into the ground. In fact, he can do whatever he wants with us if he is willing to forego the money he has already spent. This may seem far fetched, but believe me unless he changes his stance, that is exactly the direction we are heading in.

But surely if we were just one of his businesses that is losing money, then he would sell it to get rid. There have been what I would consider "decent offers" on the table that he is not remotely interested in. He would rather continue to lose money than sell. I think there is more to it than he's just lost interest.

A "decent offer" is only true if it's Tan's view of it.

I wouldn't sell my depreciating car for less than what I think it's worth.

I want the clown out, but if he's content, then what we want is irrelevant.

So, you would hold on to your depreciating car until it depreciates to point of being worthless? I don't see the logic there. Surely there is a point to cutting your losses?

You can't compare a car to a football club & even if you could plenty of people hold onto cars until they're worthless and then buy another car.

Yes, and that's my original point exactly. He can hold onto us and run us into the ground. In fact, he can do whatever he wants with us if he is willing to forego the money he has already spent. This may seem far fetched, but believe me unless he changes his stance, that is exactly the direction we are heading in.

We all know where we're are heading and the consequences of that to tan? but got to believe he doesn't think it can happen to us..

I have considered this view very carefully indeed, and I have come to an unescapable conclusion for me, that Tan is deliberately and systematically destroying the club, as an act of revenge for all the perceived 'insults' we have thrown his way over the years.

It's not about a lack of football knowledge, its not about losing money on the club, and it isn't him simply being a businessman with a millionaires plaything.

It's sheer bloody minded vindictiveness - and it's got to stop. Or CCFC will be no more under his continued stewardship, if thats what you can call it.

He knows full well what he is doing. You don't be a successful businessman in the Far East, then on a whim or gamble employ a 'manager' who has never managed properly at this level before, over other experienced managers who can get us out of this mire, without having full knowledge and forethought of what you are doing.

He has to go, and take his two showroom dummies with him.

With putting 11 million a season in what a load of nonsense he nit doing it on purpose, he's just being badly advised by dalman and choo ,

Spot on …Tan has made his money by surrounding himself with good people in the business world.
Unfortunately neither Choi or Dalmatia have a clue about football.
Tan isn’t stupid enough to destroy ccfc out of spite .

I have considered this view very carefully indeed, and I have come to an unescapable conclusion for me, that Tan is deliberately and systematically destroying the club, as an act of revenge for all the perceived 'insults' we have thrown his way over the years.

It's not about a lack of football knowledge, its not about losing money on the club, and it isn't him simply being a businessman with a millionaires plaything.

It's sheer bloody minded vindictiveness - and it's got to stop. Or CCFC will be no more under his continued stewardship, if thats what you can call it.

He knows full well what he is doing. You don't be a successful businessman in the Far East, then on a whim or gamble employ a 'manager' who has never managed properly at this level before, over other experienced managers who can get us out of this mire, without having full knowledge and forethought of what you are doing.

He has to go, and take his two showroom dummies with him.

With putting 11 million a season in what a load of nonsense he nit doing it on purpose, he's just being badly advised by dalman and choo ,

Spot on …Tan has made his money by surrounding himself with good people in the business world.
Unfortunately neither Choi or Dalmatia have a clue about football.
Tan isn’t stupid enough to destroy ccfc out of spite .

You sure about that? I have a Malaysian friend and he has mentioned that loss of face is a huge, huge factor in his culture. Tan suffered a massive loss of face with the rebrand, and to me it's no coincidence that, bar a blip where Warnock got us promoted again by some sheer slice of fortune, since the reverse of the red, the apathy from Tan and the board has been growing year on year.

Do not underestimate the loss of face Tan has suffered in being humbled over the red, and you can bet your bottom dollar that updates from City forums are fed through to him on a regular basis.

Please explain his reasoning in appointing Riza, over more experienced managers, in particular regarding the fact that Riza, if he was to be appointed, should have been appointed during the fabled 'new manager bounce' period, and clearly after the recent results should not even have been in the running for tea lady, let alone manager.

It cant be just because he is cheap! By your own, and others, logic, he is quite happy to spunk 11m per season, so why wouldnt he be happy appointing another experienced manager for lets say 1.5m more?

He’s a multibillionare with all the assets he has at his disposal we are just a flash in the pan to him if he wants to make us suffer then he will he’s the type to cut his noise off to spite his face he don’t give two fucks it’s is project is rules

Well my theory is that he hasn't been the same since the Sala death & that's why he keeps chasing Nantes, to show it wasn't his fault, which we all know it wasn't.

As for the cheap part & a new manager, I think it was more down to length of contract he was offering (end of season) that nobody else joined us as manager.

Well my theory is that he hasn't been the same since the Sala death & that's why he keeps chasing Nantes, to show it wasn't his fault, which we all know it wasn't.

As for the cheap part & a new manager, I think it was more down to length of contract he was offering (end of season) that nobody else joined us as manager.

Obviously he didn't want to sighn a recognised manager as they normally get 18 or 30 mnth contract at this time of season... .. so question is what's he going to do end season when riza contract is ended? No one is going to take 1year contract unless rolling one minc you riza would take any contract from Tan.....the bigger question would be will there be a good manager available like there is now?

Great post - spot on.

I have considered this view very carefully indeed, and I have come to an unescapable conclusion for me, that Tan is deliberately and systematically destroying the club, as an act of revenge for all the perceived 'insults' we have thrown his way over the years.

It's not about a lack of football knowledge, its not about losing money on the club, and it isn't him simply being a businessman with a millionaires plaything.

It's sheer bloody minded vindictiveness - and it's got to stop. Or CCFC will be no more under his continued stewardship, if thats what you can call it.

He knows full well what he is doing. You don't be a successful businessman in the Far East, then on a whim or gamble employ a 'manager' who has never managed properly at this level before, over other experienced managers who can get us out of this mire, without having full knowledge and forethought of what you are doing.

He has to go, and take his two showroom dummies with him.

With putting 11 million a season in what a load of nonsense he nit doing it on purpose, he's just being badly advised by dalman and choo ,

Spot on …Tan has made his money by surrounding himself with good people in the business world.
Unfortunately neither Choi or Dalmatia have a clue about football.
Tan isn’t stupid enough to destroy ccfc out of spite .

Just to add - Dalman is getting a good return on his loans to this club .