Well Said El Ghazii:

Sadly innocent civilians often pay the price for the actions of those they allow to lead them.
It’s all horrible and a mess, but Hamas are no better than the Israel you call out here. They too murder, rape and torture - including babies.
How any human can do any of it is beyond belief, but history is full of such acts throughout time and across the globe.

Who said Hamas does this?

Uk / Israel / USA who mane everyone Terrorists when it Suits their Agenda.

So many lies have been told and 80% by Israel / UK / USA

Hamas I don’t and Never will Support.

But who else stood up for the Palestinians?

Israel have 11,500 innocent Hostages

Killed / Slaughtered 20,000 Children

Burnt alive and raped / tortured / bombed and Massacred Over 61,000 Palestinians

Stole their land and steal it every day in the West Bank

You’re disputing what Hamas did October 7th 2023?

First it never started on October 7th, it Started in 1947 by Israel and the UK.

Second 1,000% I am Disputing it.

Unbelievable lies And a Massive set up by the Israeli Govt.

Yes a lot happened but not like Israel have said happened.

If you say the truth in Israel or Dispute Israel’s Govt version you get 5 yrs in Jail.

The whole day was a set up for Israel’s Massacre


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I know somebody (not Israeli) who attended the scenes on and after Oct 7th, also know somebody who lost some of their family that day (murdered, including children) and another taken hostage. The atrocities were real.
I’m not beginning to dismiss or justify what’s happened since. I wish none of it has happened, as I do with every conflict, but recognise the political aspects are complex and there’s always different sides to every story.

Sadly innocent civilians often pay the price for the actions of those they allow to lead them.
It’s all horrible and a mess, but Hamas are no better than the Israel you call out here. They too murder, rape and torture - including babies.
How any human can do any of it is beyond belief, but history is full of such acts throughout time and across the globe.

Who said Hamas does this?

Uk / Israel / USA who mane everyone Terrorists when it Suits their Agenda.

So many lies have been told and 80% by Israel / UK / USA

Hamas I don’t and Never will Support.

But who else stood up for the Palestinians?

Israel have 11,500 innocent Hostages

Killed / Slaughtered 20,000 Children

Burnt alive and raped / tortured / bombed and Massacred Over 61,000 Palestinians

Stole their land and steal it every day in the West Bank

You’re disputing what Hamas did October 7th 2023?

First it never started on October 7th, it Started in 1947 by Israel and the UK.

Second 1,000% I am Disputing it.

Unbelievable lies And a Massive set up by the Israeli Govt.

Yes a lot happened but not like Israel have said happened.

If you say the truth in Israel or Dispute Israel’s Govt version you get 5 yrs in Jail.

The whole day was a set up for Israel’s Massacre


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I hate death by any country but this is one sided and lies after lies by Israel controlling the Worlds Media


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I know somebody (not Israeli) who attended the scenes on and after Oct 7th, also know somebody who lost some of their family that day (murdered, including children) and another taken hostage. The atrocities were real.
I’m not beginning to dismiss or justify what’s happened since. I wish none of it has happened, as I do with every conflict, but recognise the political aspects are complex and there’s always different sides to every story.

Yes atrocities were real but avoidable? Where it took place is the most guarded land on earth more do than Korea... the authorities dismissed reports of activity around area given to them by soldiers there..... what is more horrendous is IDF claiming they only targeted hamas and justified this by saying there was 1 hamas person in a building when it was a block of houses ..... what they did wasn't acting as self defence it was murder same as Oct 7th was... still waiting for explanation as to how they killed 8 hostages walking in open in underwear shot by IDF.... they murdered children and women protesters by saying they were terrorist throwing stones at them all verified by journalists ... one act that killed
1300 does not justify the total destruction of a country and deaths of 50k people with around 10k unaccounted for ... .if that's self defense hate to see consequences of all our attacking..

Sadly innocent civilians often pay the price for the actions of those they allow to lead them.
It’s all horrible and a mess, but Hamas are no better than the Israel you call out here. They too murder, rape and torture - including babies.
How any human can do any of it is beyond belief, but history is full of such acts throughout time and across the globe.

Who said Hamas does this?

Uk / Israel / USA who mane everyone Terrorists when it Suits their Agenda.

So many lies have been told and 80% by Israel / UK / USA

Hamas I don’t and Never will Support.

But who else stood up for the Palestinians?

Israel have 11,500 innocent Hostages

Killed / Slaughtered 20,000 Children

Burnt alive and raped / tortured / bombed and Massacred Over 61,000 Palestinians

Stole their land and steal it every day in the West Bank

You’re disputing what Hamas did October 7th 2023?

First it never started on October 7th, it Started in 1947 by Israel and the UK.

Second 1,000% I am Disputing it.

Unbelievable lies And a Massive set up by the Israeli Govt.

Yes a lot happened but not like Israel have said happened.

If you say the truth in Israel or Dispute Israel’s Govt version you get 5 yrs in Jail.

The whole day was a set up for Israel’s Massacre


READ THROUGH THESE PAGES AND SEE THE TRUTH:


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I hate death by any country but this is one sided and lies after lies by Israel controlling the Worlds Media


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I know somebody (not Israeli) who attended the scenes on and after Oct 7th, also know somebody who lost some of their family that day (murdered, including children) and another taken hostage. The atrocities were real.
I’m not beginning to dismiss or justify what’s happened since. I wish none of it has happened, as I do with every conflict, but recognise the political aspects are complex and there’s always different sides to every story.

Yes atrocities were real but avoidable? Where it took place is the most guarded land on earth more do than Korea... the authorities dismissed reports of activity around area given to them by soldiers there..... what is more horrendous is IDF claiming they only targeted hamas and justified this by saying there was 1 hamas person in a building when it was a block of houses ..... what they did wasn't acting as self defence it was murder same as Oct 7th was... still waiting for explanation as to how they killed 8 hostages walking in open in underwear shot by IDF.... they murdered children and women protesters by saying they were terrorist throwing stones at them all verified by journalists ... one act that killed
1300 does not justify the total destruction of a country and deaths of 50k people with around 10k unaccounted for ... .if that's self defense hate to see consequences of all our attacking..

I’m not saying that either Allan, just you can’t dismiss what happened on Oct 7th as not being true. I hope the Palestinians boot Hamas out unless of course they want them as leaders. But sadly the unrest in the area will never end and that’s another generation growing up with hate in their bellies. Religion is the root of all evil.

Trump is looking to eradicate Palestine and Ukraine he has no morals and the American people actually voted for him twice. What does it say about half of American society

Trump is looking to eradicate Palestine and Ukraine he has no morals and the American people actually voted for him twice. What does it say about half of American society

Except it wasn't even close to half, it was about 77million out of 340 million. It's their stupid electoral college & the amount of $s floating around that stops any chance of a 3rd party being strong enough to even get 1 seat that stops a lot of people voting.

Trump is looking to eradicate Palestine and Ukraine he has no morals and the American people actually voted for him twice. What does it say about half of American society

Except it wasn't even close to half, it was about 77million out of 340 million. It's their stupid electoral college & the amount of $s floating around that stops any chance of a 3rd party being strong enough to even get 1 seat that stops a lot of people voting.

77 million out of 240 million eligible to vote not 340 million, fat fingers.

Whilst understandably there's very strong feelings about this let's not delude ourselves this conflict was started by Hamas . The Israelis then rage d total war against military and mainly civilian targets in Gaza as we did in WW2 by carpet bombing German cities, the bombing was so bad in Hamburg that a firestorm occurred setting everything alight . Once again civilians were killed as Hamas did on October 7th. Did British public opinion rate against this, the murder of innocents ?

On the interesting land pictures above the dates are pretty selective no Yom Kippur picture showing Arab forces invading Israel trying to destroy Israel in totality as Trump is apparently trying to do with the Palestinian s.

One thing he has done is got the two sides together and stopped the fighting, which we must thank him for.

Sadly innocent civilians often pay the price for the actions of those they allow to lead them.
It’s all horrible and a mess, but Hamas are no better than the Israel you call out here. They too murder, rape and torture - including babies.
How any human can do any of it is beyond belief, but history is full of such acts throughout time and across the globe.

Who said Hamas does this?

Uk / Israel / USA who mane everyone Terrorists when it Suits their Agenda.

So many lies have been told and 80% by Israel / UK / USA

Hamas I don’t and Never will Support.

But who else stood up for the Palestinians?

Israel have 11,500 innocent Hostages

Killed / Slaughtered 20,000 Children

Burnt alive and raped / tortured / bombed and Massacred Over 61,000 Palestinians

Stole their land and steal it every day in the West Bank

You’re disputing what Hamas did October 7th 2023?

First it never started on October 7th, it Started in 1947 by Israel and the UK.

Second 1,000% I am Disputing it.

Unbelievable lies And a Massive set up by the Israeli Govt.

Yes a lot happened but not like Israel have said happened.

If you say the truth in Israel or Dispute Israel’s Govt version you get 5 yrs in Jail.

The whole day was a set up for Israel’s Massacre


READ THROUGH THESE PAGES AND SEE THE TRUTH:


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=239263

I hate death by any country but this is one sided and lies after lies by Israel controlling the Worlds Media


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viewtopic.php?f=2&t=239263

I know somebody (not Israeli) who attended the scenes on and after Oct 7th, also know somebody who lost some of their family that day (murdered, including children) and another taken hostage. The atrocities were real.
I’m not beginning to dismiss or justify what’s happened since. I wish none of it has happened, as I do with every conflict, but recognise the political aspects are complex and there’s always different sides to every story.

Yes atrocities were real but avoidable? Where it took place is the most guarded land on earth more do than Korea... the authorities dismissed reports of activity around area given to them by soldiers there..... what is more horrendous is IDF claiming they only targeted hamas and justified this by saying there was 1 hamas person in a building when it was a block of houses ..... what they did wasn't acting as self defence it was murder same as Oct 7th was... still waiting for explanation as to how they killed 8 hostages walking in open in underwear shot by IDF.... they murdered children and women protesters by saying they were terrorist throwing stones at them all verified by journalists ... one act that killed
1300 does not justify the total destruction of a country and deaths of 50k people with around 10k unaccounted for ... .if that's self defense hate to see consequences of all our attacking..

I’m not saying that either Allan, just you can’t dismiss what happened on Oct 7th as not being true. I hope the Palestinians boot Hamas out unless of course they want them as leaders. But sadly the unrest in the area will never end and that’s another generation growing up with hate in their bellies. Religion is the root of all evil.

Oct 7 was very real but like said avoidable.... not sure can remove hamas from people as its a political parry aswell.... trouble is Israel is controlled by far right who want to eradicate Palestinians from Israel as we've heared today...trump as encouraged Israels actions by supporting Netanyahu in everything he's done... settlements are illegal but trump supported him building them ....he moved embassy to Jerusalem after endorsing it as capital of Israel against international objections ...he supported anexation of Golant heights again illegal move no wonder Netanyahu was happy at todays announcement. ....simple truth is Israel want gaza for themselves that is clear they've got history of taking over areas around world... penylan a case in point they've had own care facilities... school and other institutions there.... the UK usa gvmnts scared to upset Jewish communities because hold so much power! Religion is the start of many wars and your right it's evil..... if you've read things Israel have said you'll know they've been planning for years to have retribution against Iran hysballah and hamas in Oct 7th they had excuse to do what they've always wanted to do take over gaza and destroy there enemies....

Yes indeed well said. His previous (Jewish owned) club kept him on the sidelines for a year for trying to bravely tell the truth about Israels genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Horrific that USA has supported it and Trump is trying to take a lead in it. Disgusting.

ISRAEL STARTED ALL THIS IN 1947:



This is exactly what it’s Always been out to Steal the Palestinians Land for Israel.

Israel have Murdered / Slaughtering / Raping / Burning Alive / Over 61,000 Palestinians

Killed over 20,000 Chidren

Taken Hostage 11,500 Innocent Palestinians including six yr olds.

250,000 Homes Blown Up.

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Well said el ghazi! And well done our owner (for once) for allowing him to post this stuff and not punishing him. I actually think that was probably something that encouraged him to come here. To be honest I normally try to keep political discussions away from football and social stuff. In the pub or wherever I think I have my view you’re entitled to yours let’s just talk about something else. However this issue is something I can’t allow to just be left. We are watching (and indirectly allowing) a genocide to take place in front of our very eyes. It’s truly awful and I often feel ashamed I don’t do more to protest or help to be honest

Well said el ghazi! And well done our owner (for once) for allowing him to post this stuff and not punishing him. I actually think that was probably something that encouraged him to come here. To be honest I normally try to keep political discussions away from football and social stuff. In the pub or wherever I think I have my view you’re entitled to yours let’s just talk about something else. However this issue is something I can’t allow to just be left. We are watching (and indirectly allowing) a genocide to take place in front of our very eyes. It’s truly awful and I often feel ashamed I don’t do more to protest or help to be honest

Malaysia Fully behind Palestine

New 2 state solution?

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To those who believe this conflict was started by Hamas - No it wasn't, Israel started it decades ago.

This is what one young Palestinian survivor said to Donald J: https://x.com/i/status/1886784741275292089

These are the profound words Palestinian journalist Youssef Fares had to say that reflects the long struggle of the Palestinian people and their determination to endure:

Victory is a worn-out slogan, just like defeat. This duality does not suit our Palestinian situation at all. Since 1936, all those who have stained the soil of this land with their blood have not achieved victory in its tangible mathematical sense, but they have preserved the life, pulse, and legitimacy of this cause, the legitimacy of defending it, and the sanctity of fighting and struggling for it. In the face of attempts to erase us and dissipate our being in the manner of the Red Indians, maintaining equality, rejection, and conscious, balanced resistance that does not lead to destruction and genocide remains the essence of our victory, which is synonymous with survival. In short and clearly: “There are international and global circumstances that emerged at the beginning of the last century, which produced the existence of Israel as a state and entity that the world agrees that its survival and dominance in the Middle East is a necessity for the stability of the global system in its current form, and Israel will not be eliminated except by turning these circumstances upside down.” Until then, no one should imagine that he can eliminate Israel with a knockout blow, unless he possesses the same power that enables him to eliminate America. Here we return to the reasonable function of the resistance. And what is possible and accomplished at the same time: “to keep the flame of conflict burning”, meaning to be the scale of “no” that must be raised in the face of all projects of uprooting, ending and displacement. All of the above does not contradict the fact that the Palestinians and the Lebanese and Yemenis behind them have proven in this war that they are loyal, righteous and honest in their slogans, and they have sealed what they raised and believed in with their blood, but wars are not fought and goals and aspirations are achieved with honesty alone. May God have mercy on those who have died, reward those who have been patient and make steadfast those who have been afflicted.

To those who believe this conflict was started by Hamas - No it wasn't, Israel started it decades ago.

This is what one young Palestinian survivor said to Donald J: https://x.com/i/status/1886784741275292089

These are the profound words Palestinian journalist Youssef Fares had to say that reflects the long struggle of the Palestinian people and their determination to endure:

Victory is a worn-out slogan, just like defeat. This duality does not suit our Palestinian situation at all. Since 1936, all those who have stained the soil of this land with their blood have not achieved victory in its tangible mathematical sense, but they have preserved the life, pulse, and legitimacy of this cause, the legitimacy of defending it, and the sanctity of fighting and struggling for it. In the face of attempts to erase us and dissipate our being in the manner of the Red Indians, maintaining equality, rejection, and conscious, balanced resistance that does not lead to destruction and genocide remains the essence of our victory, which is synonymous with survival. In short and clearly: “There are international and global circumstances that emerged at the beginning of the last century, which produced the existence of Israel as a state and entity that the world agrees that its survival and dominance in the Middle East is a necessity for the stability of the global system in its current form, and Israel will not be eliminated except by turning these circumstances upside down.” Until then, no one should imagine that he can eliminate Israel with a knockout blow, unless he possesses the same power that enables him to eliminate America. Here we return to the reasonable function of the resistance. And what is possible and accomplished at the same time: “to keep the flame of conflict burning”, meaning to be the scale of “no” that must be raised in the face of all projects of uprooting, ending and displacement. All of the above does not contradict the fact that the Palestinians and the Lebanese and Yemenis behind them have proven in this war that they are loyal, righteous and honest in their slogans, and they have sealed what they raised and believed in with their blood, but wars are not fought and goals and aspirations are achieved with honesty alone. May God have mercy on those who have died, reward those who have been patient and make steadfast those who have been afflicted.

Spot on.


Hamas did not even exist years ago when Israel was stealing Palestinian Land and Daily Murdering Palestinian Men, Women and Children and have been Kidnapping them for Decades.

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Trump is using fact its usa saying it and hopes that countries will simply do nothing? Musnt forget settlements are illegal under international law its still going on with usa blessing as is Golant heights and Jerusalem embassy....ect ect IDF as committed war crimes no action so why should trump be scared of what the world does when upto now it's done sfa to bring idf/Israel to acount? He wants Israel to be accepted by Arab nations..... his attempt is to scare them into having full relations with Israel as price for usa/Israel not taking over gaza..

This Trump initiative for the USA to take over the Gaza so the Palestinians can resettle there to me is just asking for trouble.

I would not say its on a scale of what we had in Northern Ireland but it will have potential to go that way. I see USA soldiers walking the streets out there and militants planning on taking them out. Will it bring peace for the Palestines?

This Trump initiative for the USA to take over the Gaza so the Palestinians can resettle there to me is just asking for trouble.

I would not say its on a scale of what we had in Northern Ireland but it will have potential to go that way. I see USA soldiers walking the streets out there and militants planning on taking them out. Will it bring peace for the Palestines?

He says no troops in gaza... but he is manoeuvring to force countries to help or ignore what's happening..... usa gives billions of aid to places like Jordan and can be sure trump will leverage them to force them to take Palestinians into country..... he's already stopped 99% of aid to the world except Israel and Egypt! Egypt is important to usa for backing hence made exception to them... like said he's hoping countries will be to scared to say no to him like they've done so far.

This Trump initiative for the USA to take over the Gaza so the Palestinians can resettle there to me is just asking for trouble.

I would not say its on a scale of what we had in Northern Ireland but it will have potential to go that way. I see USA soldiers walking the streets out there and militants planning on taking them out. Will it bring peace for the Palestines?

Sadly he is not taking over Gaza “so the Palestinians can resettle.” and have “peace”.
He is very closely aligned to Israel through very wealthy powerful Jews in the USA and wealthy USA “israeli” settlers who have stealing (building on Palestinian land for decades. He doesnt want Palestinians to return.
Iam not an extremist, but when you read the history of the conflict you have to sympathise enormously with Palestine and codemn Israels actions. Our media have been very poor and pro Israel in its reporting. Again, if you read about people in key media management roles they are often Jewish pro Israel and journalists must submit any reports to them first. (Obviously I am not condemning all Jews and Israelis. But the far right wing Zionists are a different matter.) Over 70% of those killed in this very one sided conflict are women and children. How can that be defended? Its all very very sad.

Trump about to sign an executive order to sanction the ICC for "targeting" Israel, as he sees it.

Trump about to sign an executive order to sanction the ICC for "targeting" Israel, as he sees it.

Bully boy tactics like what he's doing in usa and other countries....
My problem is uk says won't support the movement of Palestinians what they should be saying is we will stop it... yhis is why say trump as a hidden agenda and knows the world wont say boo to usa ...it needs to come from the people of usa itself but not sure hney will.

Reading the above you'd swear that the objective of Hamas,Hezbollah, Iran, many Arabic countries and a majority of their citizens didn't want the whole of Israel and it's predominantly Jewish population wiped off the face of the earth.

In 1973 during the Yom Kippur war the Arab states Syria, Egypt and Jordan launched attacks to destroy Israel. They nearly succeeded. The Israeli army turned the tables and turfed the Egyptians out of Sinai, the Syrians out of Golan and the Jordanians out of the West bank, the Arabs have only themselves to blame for losing a war they should have one and would have achieved their aim.And hence why you see on the diagrams more Arab land being possessed to create a buffer around themselves.

The Israelis would agree to a to state solution on one condition that they were never attacked again. We have seen from the actions of Arab militias and some countries that this is unlikely to happen. If rockets weren't fired at Israel on a daily basis and things like Oct 7th never happened then there would be at least a chance of everyone living in peace.

Reading the above you'd swear that the objective of Hamas,Hezbollah, Iran, many Arabic countries and a majority of their citizens didn't want the whole of Israel and it's predominantly Jewish population wiped off the face of the earth.

In 1973 during the Yom Kippur war the Arab states Syria, Egypt and Jordan launched attacks to destroy Israel. They nearly succeeded. The Israeli army turned the tables and turfed the Egyptians out of Sinai, the Syrians out of Golan and the Jordanians out of the West bank, the Arabs have only themselves to blame for losing a war they should have one and would have achieved their aim.And hence why you see on the diagrams more Arab land being possessed to create a buffer around themselves.

The Israelis would agree to a to state solution on one condition that they were never attacked again. We have seen from the actions of Arab militias and some countries that this is unlikely to happen. If rockets weren't fired at Israel on a daily basis and things like Oct 7th never happened then there would be at least a chance of everyone living in peace.

Your right shout Arabs should have won but ever since Israel have treated Palestinians as dirt they've no rights they have homes destroyed taken away from them within Israel not to mention all the other restrictions on their right to live peacefully... Israel have been bombed because of their treatment of Palestinians... there's peace now of sorts in gaza but what does Netanyahu do start bombing refugee camp in west Bank for no reason as west bank not involved in hamas situation and destroying homes is that wanting peace? I Suppose moving Palestinians out of their land is to facilitate peace despite fact that its their land not israels ... everyone says needs to be two state solution Netanyahu said no usa said yes until Netanyahu's boyfriend got into power now its Israel can do what they like usa will endorse it....remember its trump who endorsed israels taking of land and who is now facilitating every Israeli whim... hamas may want to destroy Israel but Israel want to destroy Palestinians land and people takes two to tango ..

Palestinian child Khaled Tareq Al-Kahlout was killed when one of the walls of his home, destroyed by israeli airstrikes, collapsed on him in Gaza City


Just one of Over 21,000 Palestinian Children Killed by Israel’s IDF

And this is in the last 16months imagine what Israel has done since 1947

Please NO MORE of anyone sticking up for Israel’s Nazi IDF

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So is the thought that

Israel were compliant in the 7 October attacks to have a reason to attack Gaza and (very sadly) kill far too many innocent people but their hope all along was that Trump would win the election and assist them post war by doing this? (If there is ever a post war in that area).

What Trump has proposed is so ridiculous it has literally zero backing from anyone sensible. America will not be able to push ahead with this.

So is the thought that

Israel were compliant in the 7 October attacks to have a reason to attack Gaza and (very sadly) kill far too many innocent people but their hope all along was that Trump would win the election and assist them post war by doing this? (If there is ever a post war in that area).

What Trump has proposed is so ridiculous it has literally zero backing from anyone sensible. America will not be able to push ahead with this.

Yes you've got to suspect Israel let it happen because how else can explain ignoring warnings plus the amount of surveillance in that particular area! Didn't have to hope trump will win as we saw usa backed Netanyahu to the hilt doing nothing to stop the total destruction of gaza a thing that was in a plan long before incident happened ... as you've noticed gaza is flattened and uninhabitable that was plan so that Palestinians would have to leave? Coincidence this is what is being said by Trump? As for yhe rhetoric by Trump its all about bullying and corhersing countries to accept what he's proposing again only need to look at what he's done in usa and to W.H.O and aid agencies around he world to see he's ruling by fear.... he as no scruples no respect for hhe American constitution or rule of law using musk to shut down gvmnt organisations a non elected person who gave him multi millions of $$$$$ ...... take over of gaza was always the plan of Netanyahu from the very beginning how else do you explain the use of bulldozers to destroy buildings or bulldozer with ploughs at back ripping up Rd s all planned same with infrastructure (water ect) and hospitals only way to stop them is for Egypt Jordan ect to say "NO" not you can't do that uk same thing ...... as we've seen Trump and Netanyahu don't give a toss about international law
And only unequivocal response will work

So is the thought that

Israel were compliant in the 7 October attacks to have a reason to attack Gaza and (very sadly) kill far too many innocent people but their hope all along was that Trump would win the election and assist them post war by doing this? (If there is ever a post war in that area).

What Trump has proposed is so ridiculous it has literally zero backing from anyone sensible. America will not be able to push ahead with this.

Yes you've got to suspect Israel let it happen because how else can explain ignoring warnings plus the amount of surveillance in that particular area! Didn't have to hope trump will win as we saw usa backed Netanyahu to the hilt doing nothing to stop the total destruction of gaza a thing that was in a plan long before incident happened ... as you've noticed gaza is flattened and uninhabitable that was plan so that Palestinians would have to leave? Coincidence this is what is being said by Trump? As for yhe rhetoric by Trump its all about bullying and corhersing countries to accept what he's proposing again only need to look at what he's done in usa and to W.H.O and aid agencies around he world to see he's ruling by fear.... he as no scruples no respect for hhe American constitution or rule of law using musk to shut down gvmnt organisations a non elected person who gave him multi millions of $$$$$ ...... take over of gaza was always the plan of Netanyahu from the very beginning how else do you explain the use of bulldozers to destroy buildings or bulldozer with ploughs at back ripping up Rd s all planned same with infrastructure (water ect) and hospitals only way to stop them is for Egypt Jordan ect to say "NO" not you can't do that uk same thing ...... as we've seen Trump and Netanyahu don't give a toss about international law
And only unequivocal response will work

PS shows how sick the pair are Netanyahu gave Trump a gold pager and Normal one ... trump says that was a good job done! Something that was indiscriminate and killed innocent civilians and children.

Yes like Hamas were busy doing to innocent Israeli citizens on Oct 7th. And Arab armies and their proxies have been doing since the day Israel was formed!

I know very little about the region, the history, politics, religious factions or the autonomy of Gaza. I am 57 and it's been on the main news with Lebonon since i can remember. I have no idea of the solution or if there is any.

But to suggest its some international conspiracy is crazy.

The IDF and Mossad pride themselves on their intelligence services, they didn't see Oct 7th 2023 coming, its scale, or impact on the wider world. Watching all those celebrating in the streets whilst they had Istrael and international jewish civilians and military hostages made Israel look weak, and since the 7 day war they haven't been AWOL until that moment.

It was 16 months ago. Biden looked competent and likely to be relected and Trump wasn't a done deal at that point. Trump has previously said he didn't like netanyahu.

There is no big conspiracy this is what blind vengeance looks like!

In anyone's modern book, this is a war crime

What i never will understand is why Sunni Saudi Arabia allowed this to happen to Sunni Palestine who are backed by Shia Iran.

What does happen there now? Its won't or can't be the USA to rebuild, he'd never get it through congress.

I read many decades ago that straight line borders are a Europenan concept from the last centuary and it is more along bloodlines and tribial affiliations. Why doesn't Saudi step up, I doubt Isreal would be as trigger happy against another first world military?

I know very little about the region, the history, politics, religious factions or the autonomy of Gaza. I am 57 and it's been on the main news with Lebonon since i can remember. I have no idea of the solution or if there is any.

But to suggest its some international conspiracy is crazy.

The IDF and Mossad pride themselves on their intelligence services, they didn't see Oct 7th 2023 coming, its scale, or impact on the wider world. Watching all those celebrating in the streets whilst they had Istrael and international jewish civilians and military hostages made Israel look weak, and since the 7 day war they haven't been AWOL until that moment.

It was 16 months ago. Biden looked competent and likely to be relected and Trump wasn't a done deal at that point. Trump has previously said he didn't like netanyahu.

There is no big conspiracy this is what blind vengeance looks like!

In anyone's modern book, this is a war crime

What i never will understand is why Sunni Saudi Arabia allowed this to happen to Sunni Palestine who are backed by Shia Iran.

What does happen there now? Its won't or can't be the USA to rebuild, he'd never get it through congress.

I read many decades ago that straight line borders are a Europenan concept from the last centuary and it is more along bloodlines and tribial affiliations. Why doesn't Saudi step up, I doubt Isreal would be as trigger happy against another first world military?

Saudi probably didn't want to upset their chief arms supplyer... Jordan gets large amounts of aid list goes on as to who is reliant on usa in middle east .... Biden was weak on gaza and trump took advantage of it to win states here there was large arab/Palestinian voters that was vital for him to be president... as for trump saying didn't like Netanyahu it was trump who moved embassy to Jerusalem approved land grab in Golant heights and elsewhere plus other things all illegal but approved by trump when was president 4yrs ago ... so would say he was lying .... Israel unequivocally committed war crimes it was revenge not self defence but where was UN and EU amongst many who said and did nothing ? No conspiracy but undoubtedly the world organisations are scared to upset usa especially now trump is in power..... as I've said when you analyse what Trumps doing is saying its to put pressure on Arab states to do nothing when it comes to forcing Palestinians out of gaza
... don't see it happening but there is a bigger picture and Israel is ready to implement things with help of Trump unquestionably.