Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:17 pm
Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:19 pm
THE OPPRESSED wrote:This clown is claiming to have brought the Soul Crew into the EDL.
Somehow I doubt it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS0tjkqnoPg
Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:10 pm
Forever Blue wrote:THE OPPRESSED wrote:This clown is claiming to have brought the Soul Crew into the EDL.
Somehow I doubt it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS0tjkqnoPg
"NEVER"
Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:24 pm
Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:29 pm
rob wrote:people on here are slagging off the edl and the wdl all the time, yet those same people are on the edl and wdl site as members.
and at the end of the day isnt it everyone's right to freedom of speach and the freedom to march?
people who marched against the riddler had the same rights?
so who are you to oppose anyones right to free speach and the right to march?
im not for or against the edl im undecided at what it is they acctualy do. but im not going to take away their right to protest.
and just because someone has different thoughts or ideas to you does not give you the right to slag them off. and it does not mean that they are all stupid or racist.
Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:31 pm
Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:48 pm
rob wrote:people on here are slagging off the edl and the wdl all the time, yet those same people are on the edl and wdl site as members.
and at the end of the day isnt it everyone's right to freedom of speach and the freedom to march?
people who marched against the riddler had the same rights?
so who are you to oppose anyones right to free speach and the right to march?
im not for or against the edl im undecided at what it is they acctualy do. but im not going to take away their right to protest.
and just because someone has different thoughts or ideas to you does not give you the right to slag them off. and it does not mean that they are all stupid or racist.
Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:52 pm
Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:54 am
rob wrote:im not saying i support them ,or that what they did/do is right. i just believe they have the same rights of free speech as the rest of us.
i think we have a mutual friend as well.
Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:55 am
rob wrote:people on here are slagging off the edl and the wdl all the time, yet those same people are on the edl and wdl site as members.
and at the end of the day isnt it everyone's right to freedom of speach and the freedom to march?
people who marched against the riddler had the same rights?
so who are you to oppose anyones right to free speach and the right to march?
im not for or against the edl im undecided at what it is they acctualy do. but im not going to take away their right to protest.
and just because someone has different thoughts or ideas to you does not give you the right to slag them off. and it does not mean that they are all stupid or racist.
Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:01 pm
joe_public wrote:rob wrote:people on here are slagging off the edl and the wdl all the time, yet those same people are on the edl and wdl site as members.
and at the end of the day isnt it everyone's right to freedom of speach and the freedom to march?
people who marched against the riddler had the same rights?
so who are you to oppose anyones right to free speach and the right to march?
im not for or against the edl im undecided at what it is they acctualy do. but im not going to take away their right to protest.
and just because someone has different thoughts or ideas to you does not give you the right to slag them off. and it does not mean that they are all stupid or racist.
Yes, everyone has the right to freedom of speech (as the far right keep telling us) but lets take a look at what the aims of the EDL marches are.
They claim to be against Islamic extremism. Now out of the 50 odd million people of this country i would guess only a couple of dozen are not against Islamic extremism, so I am not sure who they are looking to influence.
They are opposed to sharia law, but we aint got sharia law and we aint going to get sharia law - so thats like saying we are against fire breathing dragons.
They are against mosques - but why? nobody is going to be forced to go to them if they dont want to. They say Halal meat is murder. Yes, it is - but the last time i looked, all meat is murder and involves suffering of animals. So unless these guys are vegans there is a little bit of hypocrisy here.
They claim Islamic extremists are allowed to preach hate, which is nonsense, those that try that sort of thing are dealt with swiftly by the authorities.
Demos usually have some aim in mind, to influence someone. 2 million people marched against the war on Iraq, the aim of that march was to get the government to change their mind on the war; like the anti-poll tax demo, the band the bomb marches and so on.
But everything the EDL march against is either not happening, or is being dealt with by the police. Yes, there maybe a very small number of individuals out there building bombs, but they are not going to be influenced by the EDL marching. So what exactly is the point? Who are the EDL trying to influence? How are their marches going to make this world a better place?
Well, the point, as can be seen time and time again by looking at the marches, is incitement of racial hatred. Chanting 'Muslim bombers off our streets'' is not going to stop people building bombs, chanting 'Allah is a paedo' it is not going to stop sharia law (cos it aint there to stop) ... what all this DOES do is stir up trouble with the local Islamic community.
A very cursory examination of the people behind this quickly blows away the myth of them being respectable, they are racist thugs and hooligans. Simples.
So yes, they have the right to free speech and we have the right to point out they are talking through their rear end and stirring up trouble. We should continue to slag them off cos they are nasty and hateful and we can point out that they are racist because they are.
I appreciate that there may be one or two that are not racist and think that the EDL are just standing up for the British way of life, but it is important to set people straight on this issue. I cannot think of any other subject where i would claim to be positive that i am right and anyone disagrees with me is wrong - but on this one there is absolutely no doubt what so ever in my mind, these guys are bad eggs and i will do whatever it takes to stop them growing.
if you think the EDL are the answer, you have asked the wrong question.
Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:03 pm
Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:11 pm
rob wrote:salim hall, i work with him, he's a top bloke
Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:13 pm
Johnny Rythmn wrote:joe_public wrote:rob wrote:people on here are slagging off the edl and the wdl all the time, yet those same people are on the edl and wdl site as members.
and at the end of the day isnt it everyone's right to freedom of speach and the freedom to march?
people who marched against the riddler had the same rights?
so who are you to oppose anyones right to free speach and the right to march?
im not for or against the edl im undecided at what it is they acctualy do. but im not going to take away their right to protest.
and just because someone has different thoughts or ideas to you does not give you the right to slag them off. and it does not mean that they are all stupid or racist.
Yes, everyone has the right to freedom of speech (as the far right keep telling us) but lets take a look at what the aims of the EDL marches are.
They claim to be against Islamic extremism. Now out of the 50 odd million people of this country i would guess only a couple of dozen are not against Islamic extremism, so I am not sure who they are looking to influence.
They are opposed to sharia law, but we aint got sharia law and we aint going to get sharia law - so thats like saying we are against fire breathing dragons.
They are against mosques - but why? nobody is going to be forced to go to them if they dont want to. They say Halal meat is murder. Yes, it is - but the last time i looked, all meat is murder and involves suffering of animals. So unless these guys are vegans there is a little bit of hypocrisy here.
They claim Islamic extremists are allowed to preach hate, which is nonsense, those that try that sort of thing are dealt with swiftly by the authorities.
Demos usually have some aim in mind, to influence someone. 2 million people marched against the war on Iraq, the aim of that march was to get the government to change their mind on the war; like the anti-poll tax demo, the band the bomb marches and so on.
But everything the EDL march against is either not happening, or is being dealt with by the police. Yes, there maybe a very small number of individuals out there building bombs, but they are not going to be influenced by the EDL marching. So what exactly is the point? Who are the EDL trying to influence? How are their marches going to make this world a better place?
Well, the point, as can be seen time and time again by looking at the marches, is incitement of racial hatred. Chanting 'Muslim bombers off our streets'' is not going to stop people building bombs, chanting 'Allah is a paedo' it is not going to stop sharia law (cos it aint there to stop) ... what all this DOES do is stir up trouble with the local Islamic community.
A very cursory examination of the people behind this quickly blows away the myth of them being respectable, they are racist thugs and hooligans. Simples.
So yes, they have the right to free speech and we have the right to point out they are talking through their rear end and stirring up trouble. We should continue to slag them off cos they are nasty and hateful and we can point out that they are racist because they are.
I appreciate that there may be one or two that are not racist and think that the EDL are just standing up for the British way of life, but it is important to set people straight on this issue. I cannot think of any other subject where i would claim to be positive that i am right and anyone disagrees with me is wrong - but on this one there is absolutely no doubt what so ever in my mind, these guys are bad eggs and i will do whatever it takes to stop them growing.
if you think the EDL are the answer, you have asked the wrong question.
You've hit the nail flush on it's head there Joe
Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:46 pm
Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:37 pm
joe_public wrote:rob wrote:people on here are slagging off the edl and the wdl all the time, yet those same people are on the edl and wdl site as members.
and at the end of the day isnt it everyone's right to freedom of speach and the freedom to march?
people who marched against the riddler had the same rights?
so who are you to oppose anyones right to free speach and the right to march?
im not for or against the edl im undecided at what it is they acctualy do. but im not going to take away their right to protest.
and just because someone has different thoughts or ideas to you does not give you the right to slag them off. and it does not mean that they are all stupid or racist.
Yes, everyone has the right to freedom of speech (as the far right keep telling us) but lets take a look at what the aims of the EDL marches are.
They claim to be against Islamic extremism. Now out of the 50 odd million people of this country i would guess only a couple of dozen are not against Islamic extremism, so I am not sure who they are looking to influence.
They are opposed to sharia law, but we aint got sharia law and we aint going to get sharia law - so thats like saying we are against fire breathing dragons.
They are against mosques - but why? nobody is going to be forced to go to them if they dont want to. They say Halal meat is murder. Yes, it is - but the last time i looked, all meat is murder and involves suffering of animals. So unless these guys are vegans there is a little bit of hypocrisy here.
They claim Islamic extremists are allowed to preach hate, which is nonsense, those that try that sort of thing are dealt with swiftly by the authorities.
Demos usually have some aim in mind, to influence someone. 2 million people marched against the war on Iraq, the aim of that march was to get the government to change their mind on the war; like the anti-poll tax demo, the band the bomb marches and so on.
But everything the EDL march against is either not happening, or is being dealt with by the police. Yes, there maybe a very small number of individuals out there building bombs, but they are not going to be influenced by the EDL marching. So what exactly is the point? Who are the EDL trying to influence? How are their marches going to make this world a better place?
Well, the point, as can be seen time and time again by looking at the marches, is incitement of racial hatred. Chanting 'Muslim bombers off our streets'' is not going to stop people building bombs, chanting 'Allah is a paedo' it is not going to stop sharia law (cos it aint there to stop) ... what all this DOES do is stir up trouble with the local Islamic community.
A very cursory examination of the people behind this quickly blows away the myth of them being respectable, they are racist thugs and hooligans. Simples.
So yes, they have the right to free speech and we have the right to point out they are talking through their rear end and stirring up trouble. We should continue to slag them off cos they are nasty and hateful and we can point out that they are racist because they are.
I appreciate that there may be one or two that are not racist and think that the EDL are just standing up for the British way of life, but it is important to set people straight on this issue. I cannot think of any other subject where i would claim to be positive that i am right and anyone disagrees with me is wrong - but on this one there is absolutely no doubt what so ever in my mind, these guys are bad eggs and i will do whatever it takes to stop them growing.
if you think the EDL are the answer, you have asked the wrong question.
Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:54 pm
Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:09 pm
MAESTEG BLUE wrote:piledriver the people who turned out to have a scrap with the edl are as bad as them. the people who protested peacfully against them good luck its their right to protest. but there are elements of the uaf who are as much fascist as the bad element of the edl. they are just there for the trouble
Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:23 pm
piledriver64 wrote:MAESTEG BLUE wrote:piledriver the people who turned out to have a scrap with the edl are as bad as them. the people who protested peacfully against them good luck its their right to protest. but there are elements of the uaf who are as much fascist as the bad element of the edl. they are just there for the trouble
I can see what you are saying and probably shouldn't condone any physical attacks. However, the fact that City fans made their feelings known against this organisation must be a positive even if their feelings spilt over.
Of many causes to fight over, rascism is probably still the one that could provoke me enough to get involved even with the advancing years I love my City because of it's diversity not in spite of it
Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:04 pm
MAESTEG BLUE wrote:piledriver the people who turned out to have a scrap with the edl are as bad as them. the people who protested peacefully against them good luck its their right to protest. but there are elements of the uaf who are as much fascist as the bad element of the edl. they are just there for the trouble
Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:10 pm
Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:11 pm
Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:20 pm
MAESTEG BLUE wrote:i cant believe that not one member of the uaf was involed in the trouble
Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:21 pm
Dafydd wrote:Not all of the EDL are racist. There are black and muslim members. However, I do agree that they need to sort out their racists before they can be taken seriously.
Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:23 pm
joe_public wrote:Dafydd wrote:Not all of the EDL are racist. There are black and muslim members. However, I do agree that they need to sort out their racists before they can be taken seriously.
And what exactly are we supposed to take seriously?
Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:47 pm
Dafydd wrote:joe_public wrote:Dafydd wrote:Not all of the EDL are racist. There are black and muslim members. However, I do agree that they need to sort out their racists before they can be taken seriously.
And what exactly are we supposed to take seriously?
Their views. We cannot ignore them and cast them aside as just some joke.
The BNP are racist fuckers yet they still get votes every election. They even had a spot on question time e.g. Taken Seriously.
Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:57 pm
joe_public wrote:rob wrote:people on here are slagging off the edl and the wdl all the time, yet those same people are on the edl and wdl site as members.
and at the end of the day isnt it everyone's right to freedom of speech and the freedom to march?
people who marched against the riddler had the same rights?
so who are you to oppose anyone's right to free speech and the right to march?
im not for or against the edl im undecided at what it is they actually do. but im not going to take away their right to protest.
and just because someone has different thoughts or ideas to you does not give you the right to slag them off. and it does not mean that they are all stupid or racist.
Yes, everyone has the right to freedom of speech (as the far right keep telling us) but lets take a look at what the aims of the EDL marches are.
They claim to be against Islamic extremism. Now out of the 50 odd million people of this country i would guess only a couple of dozen are not against Islamic extremism, so I am not sure who they are looking to influence.
They are opposed to sharia law, but we aint got sharia law and we aint going to get sharia law - so that's like saying we are against fire breathing dragons.
They are against mosques - but why? nobody is going to be forced to go to them if they dont want to. They say Halal meat is murder. Yes, it is - but the last time i looked, all meat is murder and involves suffering of animals. So unless these guys are vegans there is a little bit of hypocrisy here.
They claim Islamic extremists are allowed to preach hate, which is nonsense, those that try that sort of thing are dealt with swiftly by the authorities.
Demos usually have some aim in mind, to influence someone. 2 million people marched against the war on Iraq, the aim of that march was to get the government to change their mind on the war; like the anti-poll tax demo, the band the bomb marches and so on.
But everything the EDL march against is either not happening, or is being dealt with by the police. Yes, there maybe a very small number of individuals out there building bombs, but they are not going to be influenced by the EDL marching. So what exactly is the point? Who are the EDL trying to influence? How are their marches going to make this world a better place?
Well, the point, as can be seen time and time again by looking at the marches, is incitement of racial hatred. Chanting 'Muslim bombers off our streets'' is not going to stop people building bombs, chanting 'Allah is a paedo' it is not going to stop sharia law (cos it aint there to stop) ... what all this DOES do is stir up trouble with the local Islamic community.
A very cursory examination of the people behind this quickly blows away the myth of them being respectable, they are racist thugs and hooligans. Simples.
So yes, they have the right to free speech and we have the right to point out they are talking through their rear end and stirring up trouble. We should continue to slag them off cos they are nasty and hateful and we can point out that they are racist because they are.
I appreciate that there may be one or two that are not racist and think that the EDL are just standing up for the British way of life, but it is important to set people straight on this issue. I cannot think of any other subject where i would claim to be positive that i am right and anyone disagrees with me is wrong - but on this one there is absolutely no doubt what so ever in my mind, these guys are bad eggs and i will do whatever it takes to stop them growing.
if you think the EDL are the answer, you have asked the wrong question.
Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:21 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:joe_public wrote:rob wrote:people on here are slagging off the edl and the wdl all the time, yet those same people are on the edl and wdl site as members.
and at the end of the day isnt it everyone's right to freedom of speech and the freedom to march?
people who marched against the riddler had the same rights?
so who are you to oppose anyone's right to free speech and the right to march?
im not for or against the edl im undecided at what it is they actually do. but im not going to take away their right to protest.
and just because someone has different thoughts or ideas to you does not give you the right to slag them off. and it does not mean that they are all stupid or racist.
Yes, everyone has the right to freedom of speech (as the far right keep telling us) but lets take a look at what the aims of the EDL marches are.
They claim to be against Islamic extremism. Now out of the 50 odd million people of this country i would guess only a couple of dozen are not against Islamic extremism, so I am not sure who they are looking to influence.
They are opposed to sharia law, but we aint got sharia law and we aint going to get sharia law - so that's like saying we are against fire breathing dragons.
They are against mosques - but why? nobody is going to be forced to go to them if they dont want to. They say Halal meat is murder. Yes, it is - but the last time i looked, all meat is murder and involves suffering of animals. So unless these guys are vegans there is a little bit of hypocrisy here.
They claim Islamic extremists are allowed to preach hate, which is nonsense, those that try that sort of thing are dealt with swiftly by the authorities.
Demos usually have some aim in mind, to influence someone. 2 million people marched against the war on Iraq, the aim of that march was to get the government to change their mind on the war; like the anti-poll tax demo, the band the bomb marches and so on.
But everything the EDL march against is either not happening, or is being dealt with by the police. Yes, there maybe a very small number of individuals out there building bombs, but they are not going to be influenced by the EDL marching. So what exactly is the point? Who are the EDL trying to influence? How are their marches going to make this world a better place?
Well, the point, as can be seen time and time again by looking at the marches, is incitement of racial hatred. Chanting 'Muslim bombers off our streets'' is not going to stop people building bombs, chanting 'Allah is a paedo' it is not going to stop sharia law (cos it aint there to stop) ... what all this DOES do is stir up trouble with the local Islamic community.
A very cursory examination of the people behind this quickly blows away the myth of them being respectable, they are racist thugs and hooligans. Simples.
So yes, they have the right to free speech and we have the right to point out they are talking through their rear end and stirring up trouble. We should continue to slag them off cos they are nasty and hateful and we can point out that they are racist because they are.
I appreciate that there may be one or two that are not racist and think that the EDL are just standing up for the British way of life, but it is important to set people straight on this issue. I cannot think of any other subject where i would claim to be positive that i am right and anyone disagrees with me is wrong - but on this one there is absolutely no doubt what so ever in my mind, these guys are bad eggs and i will do whatever it takes to stop them growing.
if you think the EDL are the answer, you have asked the wrong question.
Only a dozen against extremism ? where did you get that from there are hundreds in this country that are active, not to mention the sympathisers. Sharia law !! it happens in this country and its getting more common for the authorities to turn a blind eye. Never been interested in the EDL/WDL. but extremism is an issue and a concern and if we ignore it we do so at our peril.
Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:41 pm
Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:01 pm
joe_public wrote:MAESTEG BLUE wrote:i cant believe that not one member of the uaf was involed in the trouble
Maybe there was, but without checking membership cards it is difficult to tell. UAF organised a peaceful protest and had lots of families and 'respectable' politicians in attendance. The vast majority of them went home after the speakers - some probably hung around to join in with those that sought to take a more conforntational aproach, but there were large numbers present who wanted nothing to do with the UAF demo in the first place.