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76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal was

Wed May 15, 2024 5:30 pm

76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal was founded and seven hundred and fifty thousand people were displaced and there homes and land stolen, never to be recovered. Time to end the occupation. Long live Palestine.
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Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Wed May 15, 2024 7:55 pm

Annis they behaving as if they are the superior race? Not one country will say anything to stop them grabbing land... all world organisations like united nations say what did was illegal but not one country as done anything about it no sanctions nothing... now usa says one thing but then same breath says they are fullfilling their obligations as not to upset them... Israel simply don't Want them on that land and won't stop until they succeed in throwing them out to Egypt as only place can go... personally think they should be kicked out of worldwide organisations and sanctions applied until they stop the genocide .... until then they act with impunity laughing as they go.

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 6:31 am

pembroke allan wrote:Annis they behaving as if they are the superior race? Not one country will say anything to stop them grabbing land... all world organisations like united nations say what did was illegal but not one country as done anything about it no sanctions nothing... now usa says one thing but then same breath says they are fullfilling their obligations as not to upset them... Israel simply don't Want them on that land and won't stop until they succeed in throwing them out to Egypt as only place can go... personally think they should be kicked out of worldwide organisations and sanctions applied until they stop the genocide .... until then they act with impunity laughing as they go.



Allan,

What you are saying is true, they believe they are above the rest of the world and do what they want, massacre children, women, men and take their homes and land on a daily basics.

They torture Palestinians to death, rape their women and have over 8,000 locked up without any trials.

I could go on and on and on, they are a Despicable Country.

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 6:56 am

It’s a complicated issue. They allow themselves to be ruled by Hamas who are a terrorist organisation and commit atrocities as witnessed by the barbaric acts committed back in October. So where does this all fit it?
Not saying any innocents deserve what has happened, but that goes for both sides. Such a mess, the irony being it’s driven by religion that should be promoting peace and harmony.

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 9:51 am

Carpe Diem wrote:It’s a complicated issue. They allow themselves to be ruled by Hamas who are a terrorist organisation and commit atrocities as witnessed by the barbaric acts committed back in October. So where does this all fit it?
Not saying any innocents deserve what has happened, but that goes for both sides. Such a mess, the irony being it’s driven by religion that should be promoting peace and harmony.



Not all hamas organisation is terrorist one part is political side to it that runs Palestine..... the main problem is Israel does not want a two state option so that means only Israel allowed to be on the land
Hence settlements expanding more and more especially as Israel have changed laws making it easier for them to take land away .... UN and all international organisations have said the settlements are illegal in law but not one country or th UN have sanctioned Israel same with the atrocities now they condemned their actions saying its against rules of conflict but nothing done as Israel say we are entitled to blow up women/children if we think a terrorist is in their house and usa just says ok then carry on... usa is just a lapdog to Israel to scared to say anything to them.. Israel and Jewish people are only race that thinks its suffered mass extermination of its people but they're not! yet you say one thing a against them your antisemitic and that is precisely what Netanyahu uses to stop criticism of his plan to remove Palestinians from their own country be interesting to see what usa does when this is over as Netanyahu point blank refuses to accept a two state solution to this crisis one that the UN and usa ect says is only thing thats acceptable to them

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 9:57 am

pembroke allan wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:It’s a complicated issue. They allow themselves to be ruled by Hamas who are a terrorist organisation and commit atrocities as witnessed by the barbaric acts committed back in October. So where does this all fit it?
Not saying any innocents deserve what has happened, but that goes for both sides. Such a mess, the irony being it’s driven by religion that should be promoting peace and harmony.



Not all hamas organisation is terrorist one part is political side to it that runs Palestine..... the main problem is Israel does not want a two state option so that means only Israel allowed to be on the land
Hence settlements expanding more and more especially as Israel have changed laws making it easier for them to take land away .... UN and all international organisations have said the settlements are illegal in law but not one country or th UN have sanctioned Israel same with the atrocities now they condemned their actions saying its against rules of conflict but nothing done as Israel say we are entitled to blow up people if we think a terrorist is their in house and usa just sais ok then carry on... usa is just a lapdog to Israel to scared to say anything to user them.. Israel and Jewish people are only race that thinks its suffered mass extermination of its people but they're not! yet you say one thing a against them your antisemitic and that is precisely what Netanyahu uses to stop criticism of his plan to remove Palestinians from their own country be interesting to see what usa does when this is over as Netanyahu point blank refuses to accept a two state solution to this crisis one that the UN and usa ect says is only thing thats acceptable to them



Well said Allan,


Plus it never started on October 7th, it started in 1947 by Israel.

And I Hamas did not do 70% of what happened on 7th October, The IDF blew up all the Israel homes and shot down the party goers in their helicopters.

How you’ve to ask did Hamas manage to get through the Best defence in the World on bikes, jeep’s, gliders, just guns and rockets against the best military machines in the world???

Israel also knew 3 weeks before.

This was perfect for the most evil , corrupt Government in the World, played exactly how they wanted.

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 10:26 am

Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:It’s a complicated issue. They allow themselves to be ruled by Hamas who are a terrorist organisation and commit atrocities as witnessed by the barbaric acts committed back in October. So where does this all fit it?
Not saying any innocents deserve what has happened, but that goes for both sides. Such a mess, the irony being it’s driven by religion that should be promoting peace and harmony.



Not all hamas organisation is terrorist one part is political side to it that runs Palestine..... the main problem is Israel does not want a two state option so that means only Israel allowed to be on the land
Hence settlements expanding more and more especially as Israel have changed laws making it easier for them to take land away .... UN and all international organisations have said the settlements are illegal in law but not one country or th UN have sanctioned Israel same with the atrocities now they condemned their actions saying its against rules of conflict but nothing done as Israel say we are entitled to blow up people if we think a terrorist is their in house and usa just sais ok then carry on... usa is just a lapdog to Israel to scared to say anything to user them.. Israel and Jewish people are only race that thinks its suffered mass extermination of its people but they're not! yet you say one thing a against them your antisemitic and that is precisely what Netanyahu uses to stop criticism of his plan to remove Palestinians from their own country be interesting to see what usa does when this is over as Netanyahu point blank refuses to accept a two state solution to this crisis one that the UN and usa ect says is only thing thats acceptable to them



Well said Allan,


Plus it never started on October 7th, it started in 1947 by Israel.

And I Hamas did not do 70% of what happened on 7th October, The IDF blew up all the Israel homes and shot down the party goers in their helicopters.

How you’ve to ask did Hamas manage to get through the Best defence in the World on bikes, jeep’s, gliders, just guns and rockets against the best military machines in the world???

Israel also knew 3 weeks before.

This was perfect for the most evil , corrupt Government in the World, played exactly how they wanted.



Annis without wanting to get to nvolved in this Netanyahu wanted this position as your right how convenient hamas managed to get hundreds of people across the most guarded/surveillanced strip of land in world and only need to hear his language and is a type of politician that would do anything and mean anything to get what he wants knowing that his main ally USA won't stop him... one thing I find astonishing is UN usa accept their account of atrocities Israel simply blame others like aid organisations for no food meds ect when everyone knows its them stopping the aid..... like said its pathetic of countries to accept blowing up houses with women ann children is OK just because Israel say thought a terrorist was in it .....how can you believe such lies is astonishing same excuses for destroying hospitals all do is show so called evidence like an old gun and bits and pieces no real evidence of anything.... no doubt the murder of those 3 hostages or the young girl will never be investigated along with all the atrocities noted by organisations? how to get away with it by a simple We will look into it and let you know what we find ... theirs been many wars or genocide that have been committed over the years but none as blatant as Netanyahus plan of forced displacement of Palestinians.

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 11:08 am

pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:It’s a complicated issue. They allow themselves to be ruled by Hamas who are a terrorist organisation and commit atrocities as witnessed by the barbaric acts committed back in October. So where does this all fit it?
Not saying any innocents deserve what has happened, but that goes for both sides. Such a mess, the irony being it’s driven by religion that should be promoting peace and harmony.



Not all hamas organisation is terrorist one part is political side to it that runs Palestine..... the main problem is Israel does not want a two state option so that means only Israel allowed to be on the land
Hence settlements expanding more and more especially as Israel have changed laws making it easier for them to take land away .... UN and all international organisations have said the settlements are illegal in law but not one country or th UN have sanctioned Israel same with the atrocities now they condemned their actions saying its against rules of conflict but nothing done as Israel say we are entitled to blow up people if we think a terrorist is their in house and usa just sais ok then carry on... usa is just a lapdog to Israel to scared to say anything to user them.. Israel and Jewish people are only race that thinks its suffered mass extermination of its people but they're not! yet you say one thing a against them your antisemitic and that is precisely what Netanyahu uses to stop criticism of his plan to remove Palestinians from their own country be interesting to see what usa does when this is over as Netanyahu point blank refuses to accept a two state solution to this crisis one that the UN and usa ect says is only thing thats acceptable to them



Well said Allan,


Plus it never started on October 7th, it started in 1947 by Israel.

And I Hamas did not do 70% of what happened on 7th October, The IDF blew up all the Israel homes and shot down the party goers in their helicopters.

How you’ve to ask did Hamas manage to get through the Best defence in the World on bikes, jeep’s, gliders, just guns and rockets against the best military machines in the world???

Israel also knew 3 weeks before.

This was perfect for the most evil , corrupt Government in the World, played exactly how they wanted.



Annis without wanting to get to nvolved in this Netanyahu wanted this position as your right how convenient hamas managed to get hundreds of people across the most guarded/surveillanced strip of land in world

and only need to hear his language and is a type of politician that would do anything and mean anything to get what he wants knowing that his main ally USA won't stop him...


one thing I find astonishing is UN usa accept their account of atrocities Israel simply blame others like aid organisations for no food meds ect when everyone knows its them stopping the aid..... like said its pathetic of countries to accept blowing up houses with women ann children is OK just because Israel say thought a terrorist was in it .....how can you believe such lies is astonishing same excuses for destroying hospitals all do is show so called evidence like an old gun and bits and pieces no real evidence of anything.... no doubt the murder of those 3 hostages or the young girl will never be investigated along with all the atrocities noted by organisations?


how to get away with it by a simple We will look into it and let you know what we find ... theirs been many wars or genocide that have been committed over the years but none as blatant as Netanyahus plan of forced displacement of Palestinians.



You like have really studied what’s going on Allan, not like some just watching Sky & BBC lies.


Netanyahu Knows the minute this is over he’s under arrest.
The man should actually be executed.

Even a lot of Jewish people can’t stand him and want him removed.

Netanyahu Is the problem Not Hamas.


All the highest Courts in the World have backed the Palestinians, but USA & UK back a Terrorist called Netanyahu.

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 11:27 am

I’m not going to get too much what’s happening over there. Everyone has their opinion and there have been some very fair points made on this thread.

But I will say that in Israel, public support for Netanyahu is not where it was before the attacks.

What is happening is obviously negatively impacting Israel’s reputation around the world, which will last for many years.

At some point there will be an election in Israel (this is expected to happen early next year).

So in that election the people will have to decide whether to protect Netanyahu and or protect their country. Because if he wins again, their international reputation will continue to slide.

When I say their international reputation, I don’t mean from just politicians in the West but mostly the general public in the West.


The polling in Israel suggests that Netanyahu is not in a strong position.

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 11:40 am

worcester_ccfc wrote:I’m not going to get too much what’s happening over there. Everyone has their opinion and there have been some very fair points made on this thread.

But I will say that in Israel, public support for Netanyahu is not where it was before the attacks.

What is happening is obviously negatively impacting Israel’s reputation around the world, which will last for many years.

At some point there will be an election in Israel (this is expected to happen early next year).

So in that election the people will have to decide whether to protect Netanyahu and or protect their country. Because if he wins again, their international reputation will continue to slide.

When I say their international reputation, I don’t mean from just politicians in the West but mostly the general public in the West.


The polling in Israel suggests that Netanyahu is not in a strong position.



Ned,

I believe they will vote him out and he will be arrested.

But what Israel has done is worse than barbaric and in this day and age it’s as bad a The Nazi’s and it will NEVER EVER BE FORGOTTEN.

Daily they kill babies and children, rape and blow up innocent Palestinian houses, take land every day of Palestinian families

Funded by USA & UK Governments.

All Three Governments are the REAL TERRORIST’S.

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 11:51 am

Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:It’s a complicated issue. They allow themselves to be ruled by Hamas who are a terrorist organisation and commit atrocities as witnessed by the barbaric acts committed back in October. So where does this all fit it?
Not saying any innocents deserve what has happened, but that goes for both sides. Such a mess, the irony being it’s driven by religion that should be promoting peace and harmony.



Not all hamas organisation is terrorist one part is political side to it that runs Palestine..... the main problem is Israel does not want a two state option so that means only Israel allowed to be on the land
Hence settlements expanding more and more especially as Israel have changed laws making it easier for them to take land away .... UN and all international organisations have said the settlements are illegal in law but not one country or th UN have sanctioned Israel same with the atrocities now they condemned their actions saying its against rules of conflict but nothing done as Israel say we are entitled to blow up people if we think a terrorist is their in house and usa just sais ok then carry on... usa is just a lapdog to Israel to scared to say anything to user them.. Israel and Jewish people are only race that thinks its suffered mass extermination of its people but they're not! yet you say one thing a against them your antisemitic and that is precisely what Netanyahu uses to stop criticism of his plan to remove Palestinians from their own country be interesting to see what usa does when this is over as Netanyahu point blank refuses to accept a two state solution to this crisis one that the UN and usa ect says is only thing thats acceptable to them



Well said Allan,


Plus it never started on October 7th, it started in 1947 by Israel.

And I Hamas did not do 70% of what happened on 7th October, The IDF blew up all the Israel homes and shot down the party goers in their helicopters.

How you’ve to ask did Hamas manage to get through the Best defence in the World on bikes, jeep’s, gliders, just guns and rockets against the best military machines in the world???

Israel also knew 3 weeks before.

This was perfect for the most evil , corrupt Government in the World, played exactly how they wanted.



Annis without wanting to get to nvolved in this Netanyahu wanted this position as your right how convenient hamas managed to get hundreds of people across the most guarded/surveillanced strip of land in world

and only need to hear his language and is a type of politician that would do anything and mean anything to get what he wants knowing that his main ally USA won't stop him...


one thing I find astonishing is UN usa accept their account of atrocities Israel simply blame others like aid organisations for no food meds ect when everyone knows its them stopping the aid..... like said its pathetic of countries to accept blowing up houses with women ann children is OK just because Israel say thought a terrorist was in it .....how can you believe such lies is astonishing same excuses for destroying hospitals all do is show so called evidence like an old gun and bits and pieces no real evidence of anything.... no doubt the murder of those 3 hostages or the young girl will never be investigated along with all the atrocities noted by organisations?


how to get away with it by a simple We will look into it and let you know what we find ... theirs been many wars or genocide that have been committed over the years but none as blatant as Netanyahus plan of forced displacement of Palestinians.



You like have really studied what’s going on Allan, not like some just watching Sky & BBC lies.


Netanyahu Knows the minute this is over he’s under arrest.
The man should actually be executed.

Even a lot of Jewish people can’t stand him and want him removed.

Netanyahu Is the problem Not Hamas.


All the highest Courts in the World have backed the Palestinians, but USA & UK back a Terrorist called Netanyahu.



Annis Netanyahu is the problem but for some reason everyone are blind to what's going on they see it they condemn it but do nothing because soon as they do Israel simply accuse of being antisemitic or supporting terrorist organisation...
What hamas did was madnessfor the people but maybe now the world and ordinary Israeli people will stop and work out permanent solution and yes do look beyond bbc ect for whats happening and I've no doubt Biden and Cameron know Netanyahu and IDF are lying but to scared to do anything about it....

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 12:50 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:It’s a complicated issue. They allow themselves to be ruled by Hamas who are a terrorist organisation and commit atrocities as witnessed by the barbaric acts committed back in October. So where does this all fit it?
Not saying any innocents deserve what has happened, but that goes for both sides. Such a mess, the irony being it’s driven by religion that should be promoting peace and harmony.



Not all hamas organisation is terrorist one part is political side to it that runs Palestine..... the main problem is Israel does not want a two state option so that means only Israel allowed to be on the land
Hence settlements expanding more and more especially as Israel have changed laws making it easier for them to take land away .... UN and all international organisations have said the settlements are illegal in law but not one country or th UN have sanctioned Israel same with the atrocities now they condemned their actions saying its against rules of conflict but nothing done as Israel say we are entitled to blow up people if we think a terrorist is their in house and usa just sais ok then carry on... usa is just a lapdog to Israel to scared to say anything to user them.. Israel and Jewish people are only race that thinks its suffered mass extermination of its people but they're not! yet you say one thing a against them your antisemitic and that is precisely what Netanyahu uses to stop criticism of his plan to remove Palestinians from their own country be interesting to see what usa does when this is over as Netanyahu point blank refuses to accept a two state solution to this crisis one that the UN and usa ect says is only thing thats acceptable to them



Well said Allan,


Plus it never started on October 7th, it started in 1947 by Israel.

And I Hamas did not do 70% of what happened on 7th October, The IDF blew up all the Israel homes and shot down the party goers in their helicopters.

How you’ve to ask did Hamas manage to get through the Best defence in the World on bikes, jeep’s, gliders, just guns and rockets against the best military machines in the world???

Israel also knew 3 weeks before.

This was perfect for the most evil , corrupt Government in the World, played exactly how they wanted.



Annis without wanting to get to nvolved in this Netanyahu wanted this position as your right how convenient hamas managed to get hundreds of people across the most guarded/surveillanced strip of land in world

and only need to hear his language and is a type of politician that would do anything and mean anything to get what he wants knowing that his main ally USA won't stop him...


one thing I find astonishing is UN usa accept their account of atrocities Israel simply blame others like aid organisations for no food meds ect when everyone knows its them stopping the aid..... like said its pathetic of countries to accept blowing up houses with women ann children is OK just because Israel say thought a terrorist was in it .....how can you believe such lies is astonishing same excuses for destroying hospitals all do is show so called evidence like an old gun and bits and pieces no real evidence of anything.... no doubt the murder of those 3 hostages or the young girl will never be investigated along with all the atrocities noted by organisations?


how to get away with it by a simple We will look into it and let you know what we find ... theirs been many wars or genocide that have been committed over the years but none as blatant as Netanyahus plan of forced displacement of Palestinians.



You like have really studied what’s going on Allan, not like some just watching Sky & BBC lies.


Netanyahu Knows the minute this is over he’s under arrest.
The man should actually be executed.

Even a lot of Jewish people can’t stand him and want him removed.

Netanyahu Is the problem Not Hamas.


All the highest Courts in the World have backed the Palestinians, but USA & UK back a Terrorist called Netanyahu.



Annis Netanyahu is the problem but for some reason everyone are blind to what's going on they see it they condemn it but do nothing because soon as they do Israel simply accuse of being antisemitic or supporting terrorist organisation...
What hamas did was madnessfor the people but maybe now the world and ordinary Israeli people will stop and work out permanent solution and yes do look beyond bbc ect for whats happening and I've no doubt Biden and Cameron know Netanyahu and IDF are lying but to scared to do anything about it....




Total lies by The IDF TERRORISTS

Also Allan the Jewish people / Civilians have been blocking for months food getting in to the babies and children, attacking the lorry drivers , smashing all the food up even after it had all been searched and checked by the Israel Govt.

The Terrorists are Israel and for me that country should be boycotted by the World.

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 1:07 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:It’s a complicated issue. They allow themselves to be ruled by Hamas who are a terrorist organisation and commit atrocities as witnessed by the barbaric acts committed back in October. So where does this all fit it?
Not saying any innocents deserve what has happened, but that goes for both sides. Such a mess, the irony being it’s driven by religion that should be promoting peace and harmony.



Not all hamas organisation is terrorist one part is political side to it that runs Palestine..... the main problem is Israel does not want a two state option so that means only Israel allowed to be on the land
Hence settlements expanding more and more especially as Israel have changed laws making it easier for them to take land away .... UN and all international organisations have said the settlements are illegal in law but not one country or th UN have sanctioned Israel same with the atrocities now they condemned their actions saying its against rules of conflict but nothing done as Israel say we are entitled to blow up people if we think a terrorist is their in house and usa just sais ok then carry on... usa is just a lapdog to Israel to scared to say anything to user them.. Israel and Jewish people are only race that thinks its suffered mass extermination of its people but they're not! yet you say one thing a against them your antisemitic and that is precisely what Netanyahu uses to stop criticism of his plan to remove Palestinians from their own country be interesting to see what usa does when this is over as Netanyahu point blank refuses to accept a two state solution to this crisis one that the UN and usa ect says is only thing thats acceptable to them



Well said Allan,


Plus it never started on October 7th, it started in 1947 by Israel.

And I Hamas did not do 70% of what happened on 7th October, The IDF blew up all the Israel homes and shot down the party goers in their helicopters.

How you’ve to ask did Hamas manage to get through the Best defence in the World on bikes, jeep’s, gliders, just guns and rockets against the best military machines in the world???

Israel also knew 3 weeks before.

This was perfect for the most evil , corrupt Government in the World, played exactly how they wanted.



Annis without wanting to get to nvolved in this Netanyahu wanted this position as your right how convenient hamas managed to get hundreds of people across the most guarded/surveillanced strip of land in world

and only need to hear his language and is a type of politician that would do anything and mean anything to get what he wants knowing that his main ally USA won't stop him...


one thing I find astonishing is UN usa accept their account of atrocities Israel simply blame others like aid organisations for no food meds ect when everyone knows its them stopping the aid..... like said its pathetic of countries to accept blowing up houses with women ann children is OK just because Israel say thought a terrorist was in it .....how can you believe such lies is astonishing same excuses for destroying hospitals all do is show so called evidence like an old gun and bits and pieces no real evidence of anything.... no doubt the murder of those 3 hostages or the young girl will never be investigated along with all the atrocities noted by organisations?


how to get away with it by a simple We will look into it and let you know what we find ... theirs been many wars or genocide that have been committed over the years but none as blatant as Netanyahus plan of forced displacement of Palestinians.



You like have really studied what’s going on Allan, not like some just watching Sky & BBC lies.


Netanyahu Knows the minute this is over he’s under arrest.
The man should actually be executed.

Even a lot of Jewish people can’t stand him and want him removed.

Netanyahu Is the problem Not Hamas.


All the highest Courts in the World have backed the Palestinians, but USA & UK back a Terrorist called Netanyahu.



Annis Netanyahu is the problem but for some reason everyone are blind to what's going on they see it they condemn it but do nothing because soon as they do Israel simply accuse of being antisemitic or supporting terrorist organisation...
What hamas did was madnessfor the people but maybe now the world and ordinary Israeli people will stop and work out permanent solution and yes do look beyond bbc ect for whats happening and I've no doubt Biden and Cameron know Netanyahu and IDF are lying but to scared to do anything about it....




Total lies by The IDF TERRORISTS

Also Allan the Jewish people / Civilians have been blocking for months food getting in to the babies and children, attacking the lorry drivers , smashing all the food up even after it had all been searched and checked by the Israel Govt.

The Terrorists are Israel and for me that country should be boycotted by the World.



Annis the world knows what Israel is doing is barbaric and against international law but are not prepared to do anything about it the question is why not? yes was appalling attack by Hamas but killing 35k people mostly women and children cannot be justified by any one.. . Yes can defend yourself but that part as long gone now it's simple revenge supported by usa UK and others! Today Israeli politician is calling Netanyahu out for insisting that he will destroy hamas at any cost and refusing to entertain a two state solution.... so maybe they've had enough of his antics.

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 1:11 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:It’s a complicated issue. They allow themselves to be ruled by Hamas who are a terrorist organisation and commit atrocities as witnessed by the barbaric acts committed back in October. So where does this all fit it?
Not saying any innocents deserve what has happened, but that goes for both sides. Such a mess, the irony being it’s driven by religion that should be promoting peace and harmony.



Not all hamas organisation is terrorist one part is political side to it that runs Palestine..... the main problem is Israel does not want a two state option so that means only Israel allowed to be on the land
Hence settlements expanding more and more especially as Israel have changed laws making it easier for them to take land away .... UN and all international organisations have said the settlements are illegal in law but not one country or th UN have sanctioned Israel same with the atrocities now they condemned their actions saying its against rules of conflict but nothing done as Israel say we are entitled to blow up people if we think a terrorist is their in house and usa just sais ok then carry on... usa is just a lapdog to Israel to scared to say anything to user them.. Israel and Jewish people are only race that thinks its suffered mass extermination of its people but they're not! yet you say one thing a against them your antisemitic and that is precisely what Netanyahu uses to stop criticism of his plan to remove Palestinians from their own country be interesting to see what usa does when this is over as Netanyahu point blank refuses to accept a two state solution to this crisis one that the UN and usa ect says is only thing thats acceptable to them



Well said Allan,


Plus it never started on October 7th, it started in 1947 by Israel.

And I Hamas did not do 70% of what happened on 7th October, The IDF blew up all the Israel homes and shot down the party goers in their helicopters.

How you’ve to ask did Hamas manage to get through the Best defence in the World on bikes, jeep’s, gliders, just guns and rockets against the best military machines in the world???

Israel also knew 3 weeks before.

This was perfect for the most evil , corrupt Government in the World, played exactly how they wanted.



Annis without wanting to get to nvolved in this Netanyahu wanted this position as your right how convenient hamas managed to get hundreds of people across the most guarded/surveillanced strip of land in world

and only need to hear his language and is a type of politician that would do anything and mean anything to get what he wants knowing that his main ally USA won't stop him...


one thing I find astonishing is UN usa accept their account of atrocities Israel simply blame others like aid organisations for no food meds ect when everyone knows its them stopping the aid..... like said its pathetic of countries to accept blowing up houses with women ann children is OK just because Israel say thought a terrorist was in it .....how can you believe such lies is astonishing same excuses for destroying hospitals all do is show so called evidence like an old gun and bits and pieces no real evidence of anything.... no doubt the murder of those 3 hostages or the young girl will never be investigated along with all the atrocities noted by organisations?


how to get away with it by a simple We will look into it and let you know what we find ... theirs been many wars or genocide that have been committed over the years but none as blatant as Netanyahus plan of forced displacement of Palestinians.



You like have really studied what’s going on Allan, not like some just watching Sky & BBC lies.


Netanyahu Knows the minute this is over he’s under arrest.
The man should actually be executed.

Even a lot of Jewish people can’t stand him and want him removed.

Netanyahu Is the problem Not Hamas.


All the highest Courts in the World have backed the Palestinians, but USA & UK back a Terrorist called Netanyahu.



Annis Netanyahu is the problem but for some reason everyone are blind to what's going on they see it they condemn it but do nothing because soon as they do Israel simply accuse of being antisemitic or supporting terrorist organisation...
What hamas did was madnessfor the people but maybe now the world and ordinary Israeli people will stop and work out permanent solution and yes do look beyond bbc ect for whats happening and I've no doubt Biden and Cameron know Netanyahu and IDF are lying but to scared to do anything about it....




Total lies by The IDF TERRORISTS

Also Allan the Jewish people / Civilians have been blocking for months food getting in to the babies and children, attacking the lorry drivers , smashing all the food up even after it had all been searched and checked by the Israel Govt.

The Terrorists are Israel and for me that country should be boycotted by the World.



Annis the world knows what Israel is doing is barbaric and against international law but are not prepared to do anything about it the question is why not? yes was appalling attack by Hamas but killing 35k people mostly women and children cannot be justified by any one.. . Yes can defend yourself but that part as long gone now it's simple revenge supported by usa UK and others! Today Israeli politician is calling Netanyahu out for insisting that he will destroy hamas at any cost and refusing to entertain a two state solution.... so maybe they've had enough of his antics.



Why Allan,


Because The USA Govt and UK Government are controlled by Israel / money and power.

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 1:13 pm

The Judges today in The Hague once again have demanded that Israel withdraws from Gaza, but they will ignore as USA & UK won’t do anything about it.

Genocide in Gaza has been proven now for 7months

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 1:16 pm

ISRAEL has DESTROYED 80% of medical centers in Gaza.
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Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 1:28 pm

The Palestinians have NO Homes, running water or sanitation:

Israel bans the most of the media.

Surely in 2024 this should not happen

There is No self defence against what? Plus Israel are the occupying Country in Palestine.

Genocide is happening now and has been for 7 months

Blocking of roads to starve Palestinians

For 76 years Palestinians have been prisoners in their own land by Israel.


Over 8,000 Palestinians are locked up illegally on NO charges and starved and tortured


The Hague finds time and time again Genocide is happening.

Palestinians have a right to be protected from Israel, the Court Finds



YOU DONT DEMAND 100,000’S INNOCENT PALESTINIANS TO LEACE THEIR HOMES BOMB THEM / THEN BOMB THEM IN TENTS AND SAY MOVE AGAIN.

Israel turned of water supplies / blew up wells

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 1:57 pm

There are some Decent Israeli people:

ISRAELIS are protesting against NETANYAHU for REFUSING CEASEFIRE DEALS.
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Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 2:10 pm

"Palestinian babies decapitated by Israeli and US bombs" doesn't sell as well as the hoax about 40 made-up Israeli babies, so you won't see or hear of this on the evening news.

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 4:38 pm

Forever Blue wrote:"Palestinian babies decapitated by Israeli and US bombs" doesn't sell as well as the hoax about 40 made-up Israeli babies, so you won't see or hear of this on the evening news.




Funny enough annis everytime theres a horror story committed by Israelis they come out with unsubstantiated stories of hamas horrors... there again all of Israelis so called finds or stories are unsubstantiated or have evidence that doesn't go anywhere near proving a thing...... either that or they blame hamas for Israelii atrocities .. just today they blew up 5 of own soldiers because someone saw a rifle and just ordered 2 tanks to open fire that's typical of what they're doing just like the hostages in "underwear " they shot probably thought had bazooka hidden .

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 5:05 pm

I don’t agree with what Isreal are doing, nor do I believe in the State as a concept. However Hamas did I commit acts of astonishing brutality - and babies were murdered in barbaric means, in front of their parents. I know this to be true. I also know someone who lost 3 of his family that day - murdered. The response has been brutal by Israel and yes I want an immediate ceasefire. Sadly all they are doing is fuelling yet another generation with hatred.

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 5:13 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:"Palestinian babies decapitated by Israeli and US bombs" doesn't sell as well as the hoax about 40 made-up Israeli babies, so you won't see or hear of this on the evening news.




Funny enough annis everytime theres a horror story committed by Israelis they come out with unsubstantiated stories of hamas horrors... there again all of Israelis so called finds or stories are unsubstantiated or have evidence that doesn't go anywhere near proving a thing...... either that or they blame hamas for Israelii atrocities .. just today they blew up 5 of own soldiers because someone saw a rifle and just ordered 2 tanks to open fire that's typical of what they're doing just like the hostages in "underwear " they shot probably thought had bazooka hidden .



Correct Allan,

Because they are intent on killing any Palestinian they see, they have now on countless times killed their IDF soldiers.
Plus on the night Hamas had enough of the occupation and seeing their people terrorised 24/7? Being Kidnapped and tortured for 75years , at the Concert and the homes many were actually blown up and many of their own people were killed by the IDF.

Funny the IDF knew 3 weeks before Hamas were coming and went so easily through the best defence in the world.

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 5:14 pm

Forever Blue wrote:There are some Decent Israeli people:

ISRAELIS are protesting against NETANYAHU for REFUSING CEASEFIRE DEALS.


Like I said in my post, public opinion in Israel is moving against Netanyahu.

When there’s an election he will lose but the problem is there are international repercussions for Israel in the long term. Whoever succeeds him will have big problems because people will obviously not forget this.

I defended Israel in October but I also feel for the Palestine people. What has happened since October has been totally unacceptable. I understand those saying what has been happening for many years is awful.


As you know Annis, I like a lot what Starmer has been doing. He’s changed my party for the better, getting rid of the loony people on the left like Corbyn and Abbott. He has brought the party back to the centre, which we needed and is more aligned with my political beliefs even though I did support the party in the dark days.

But I don’t think he has been strong enough on Israel. I hope that’s because he’s worried about losing votes due to the recent history of the party and anti semitism - something he has changed.


But all things being equal, hopefully he will be PM later this year and at that point I would demand him to be stronger on Israel.

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 5:22 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There are some Decent Israeli people:

ISRAELIS are protesting against NETANYAHU for REFUSING CEASEFIRE DEALS.


Like I said in my post, public opinion in Israel is moving against Netanyahu.

When there’s an election he will lose but the problem is there are international repercussions for Israel in the long term. Whoever succeeds him will have big problems because people will obviously not forget this.

I defended Israel in October but I also feel for the Palestine people. What has happened since October has been totally unacceptable. I understand those saying what has been happening for many years is awful.


As you know Annis, I like a lot what Starmer has been doing. He’s changed my party for the better, getting rid of the loony people on the left like Corbyn and Abbott. He has brought the party back to the centre, which we needed and is more aligned with my political beliefs even though I did support the party in the dark days.

But I don’t think he has been strong enough on Israel. I hope that’s because he’s worried about losing votes due to the recent history of the party and anti semitism - something he has changed.


But all things being equal, hopefully he will be PM later this year and at that point I would demand him to be stronger on Israel.



Ned not sure starmer wants to get involved at moment haven't heared a peep from labour on subject....only voice on the matter is camarons and he won't say a bad word about Israelis or their actions ... excuse for not having sanctions is we don't directly supply their army we grant licences to companies so its their decision if supply parts to them. Sounds like a cop out to me...

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 5:33 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There are some Decent Israeli people:

ISRAELIS are protesting against NETANYAHU for REFUSING CEASEFIRE DEALS.


Like I said in my post, public opinion in Israel is moving against Netanyahu.

When there’s an election he will lose but the problem is there are international repercussions for Israel in the long term. Whoever succeeds him will have big problems because people will obviously not forget this.

I defended Israel in October but I also feel for the Palestine people. What has happened since October has been totally unacceptable. I understand those saying what has been happening for many years is awful.


As you know Annis, I like a lot what Starmer has been doing. He’s changed my party for the better, getting rid of the loony people on the left like Corbyn and Abbott. He has brought the party back to the centre, which we needed and is more aligned with my political beliefs even though I did support the party in the dark days.

But I don’t think he has been strong enough on Israel. I hope that’s because he’s worried about losing votes due to the recent history of the party and anti semitism - something he has changed.


But all things being equal, hopefully he will be PM later this year and at that point I would demand him to be stronger on Israel.



Ned not sure starmer wants to get involved at moment haven't heared a peep from labour on subject....only voice on the matter is camarons and he won't say a bad word about Israelis or their actions ... excuse for not having sanctions is we don't directly supply their army we grant licences to companies so its their decision if supply parts to them. Sounds like a cop out to me...


Like I said, I think Starmer has stayed quiet because of the anti semitism in the party with the previous leader and he will be worried it could cost him in the upcoming election.

When/if he wins, I want him to be tough on Israel.

I say that as a Labour person.

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 6:03 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There are some Decent Israeli people:

ISRAELIS are protesting against NETANYAHU for REFUSING CEASEFIRE DEALS.


Like I said in my post, public opinion in Israel is moving against Netanyahu.

When there’s an election he will lose but the problem is there are international repercussions for Israel in the long term. Whoever succeeds him will have big problems because people will obviously not forget this.

I defended Israel in October but I also feel for the Palestine people. What has happened since October has been totally unacceptable. I understand those saying what has been happening for many years is awful.


As you know Annis, I like a lot what Starmer has been doing. He’s changed my party for the better, getting rid of the loony people on the left like Corbyn and Abbott. He has brought the party back to the centre, which we needed and is more aligned with my political beliefs even though I did support the party in the dark days.

But I don’t think he has been strong enough on Israel. I hope that’s because he’s worried about losing votes due to the recent history of the party and anti semitism - something he has changed.


But all things being equal, hopefully he will be PM later this year and at that point I would demand him to be stronger on Israel.



True Ned, he’s better than Conservatives.

But Starmer will never stand up to Nazi Israel as his Wife is Jewish and her nephews are in the IDF.

It’s all corrupt

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 8:05 pm

I've read some of the posts on here with great interest and would make the following points
I don't believe for one second that the original attack by Hammas was organised or allowed by the Israelis .
Also on a daily basis Hamas fires rockets at Israel. This has been going on for years. Ask yourself this if Ireland or Belgium were firing rockets at us everyday would we allow this.
During the second world war we firebombed Germany and dropped two atomic bomb s on Japan knowing that 100,000s of civilians would be killed. ( I don't make a judgement on those actions here but say that when your mere existence is threatened as ours was then and Israel's is permanently then extreme actions are likely to be taken.)
I studied the maps carefully at the top. The main reason for Israeli territorial expansion since it creation was the six day war in 1967. Yet before the Yom Kippur war 1973 the Israelis were willing to return large parts of Golan and all of the Sinai ( which they subsequently did) the Arabs chose to start a war instead and as usual in every war they have were well beaten.
I believe that the Israeli would sign a peace treaty tomorrow if most of their territorial integrity could be guarenteed and no more rockets from gaza.
Additionally following on from the war points above until a stable in warlike government can be installed in Gaza then there can be no peace and unlikely to be a two state solution as a Gaza govt intent on the destruction of Israel could never be legitimized by israel. Interestingly most Arab countries felt this way but apart from Iran most have softened their position . Their involvement here especially the Egyptians is integral to a long term solution.
Lastly i never believed that the violence in Ireland could be solved but look at that 25 years later, so perhaps with the severity of this situation a plan at least can be worked out.

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 8:30 pm

Allan,

Israel don’t want peace they want to wipe our Gaza and the West Bank and won’t stop till they do they thanks to American arms.

To many watch British news which is total lies l.

Israeli’s nightly attack and burn Palestinian farms and shoot and kill Palestinian farmers.

They then take their land.

Britain after the Second World War put the Jews in to Palestine and gave them them Palestinian land.

As the years have gone on Palestinians have been surrounded by Israel who have controlled their movements I’ve been there and they degrade them as though they are not human beings, cut off their water and electricity.

All Palestinians ever have had is rockets to fight with , Israel planes, tanks, fire power UNBELIEVABLE.

If I was kept like a prisoner for years and my Family beaten and many killed daily , I would eventually rise and fight back.

To many listen to bullshit, for 50 years I have studied everything about Palestine and Egypt and Israel.

This map does not lie.
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Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 8:38 pm

Today:


BREAKING: South Africa Seeks an IMMEDIATE Stop of Israel’s Genocide in Gaza at the ICJ

An outline of the presentation to the court:

▪︎ Israel to cease all of its military activities.

▪︎ Israel’s to stop continuous killing of women and children.

▪︎ Palestinians are facing the worst humanitarian crisis that has been seen by secretary general of UN for more than 50 years due to Israel

Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal

Thu May 16, 2024 8:42 pm

UNBELIEVABLE:


BREAKING: Israel called the UN a "terrorist organization"

Israel's ambassador to the UN has branded the UN a "terror organization", escalating tensions between the two sides amid the country's war against Hamas in Gaza and attacks on UN facilities in Jerusalem.

According to Israel and the US, the whole world is already terrorists.

I really wonder how long the world will put up with these cold blooded killers. They crossed all the red lines in human history. They have neither shame nor remorse.
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