Wed May 15, 2024 5:30 pm
Wed May 15, 2024 7:55 pm
Thu May 16, 2024 6:31 am
pembroke allan wrote:Annis they behaving as if they are the superior race? Not one country will say anything to stop them grabbing land... all world organisations like united nations say what did was illegal but not one country as done anything about it no sanctions nothing... now usa says one thing but then same breath says they are fullfilling their obligations as not to upset them... Israel simply don't Want them on that land and won't stop until they succeed in throwing them out to Egypt as only place can go... personally think they should be kicked out of worldwide organisations and sanctions applied until they stop the genocide .... until then they act with impunity laughing as they go.
Thu May 16, 2024 6:56 am
Thu May 16, 2024 9:51 am
Carpe Diem wrote:It’s a complicated issue. They allow themselves to be ruled by Hamas who are a terrorist organisation and commit atrocities as witnessed by the barbaric acts committed back in October. So where does this all fit it?
Not saying any innocents deserve what has happened, but that goes for both sides. Such a mess, the irony being it’s driven by religion that should be promoting peace and harmony.
Thu May 16, 2024 9:57 am
pembroke allan wrote:Carpe Diem wrote:It’s a complicated issue. They allow themselves to be ruled by Hamas who are a terrorist organisation and commit atrocities as witnessed by the barbaric acts committed back in October. So where does this all fit it?
Not saying any innocents deserve what has happened, but that goes for both sides. Such a mess, the irony being it’s driven by religion that should be promoting peace and harmony.
Not all hamas organisation is terrorist one part is political side to it that runs Palestine..... the main problem is Israel does not want a two state option so that means only Israel allowed to be on the land
Hence settlements expanding more and more especially as Israel have changed laws making it easier for them to take land away .... UN and all international organisations have said the settlements are illegal in law but not one country or th UN have sanctioned Israel same with the atrocities now they condemned their actions saying its against rules of conflict but nothing done as Israel say we are entitled to blow up people if we think a terrorist is their in house and usa just sais ok then carry on... usa is just a lapdog to Israel to scared to say anything to user them.. Israel and Jewish people are only race that thinks its suffered mass extermination of its people but they're not! yet you say one thing a against them your antisemitic and that is precisely what Netanyahu uses to stop criticism of his plan to remove Palestinians from their own country be interesting to see what usa does when this is over as Netanyahu point blank refuses to accept a two state solution to this crisis one that the UN and usa ect says is only thing thats acceptable to them
Thu May 16, 2024 10:26 am
Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Carpe Diem wrote:It’s a complicated issue. They allow themselves to be ruled by Hamas who are a terrorist organisation and commit atrocities as witnessed by the barbaric acts committed back in October. So where does this all fit it?
Not saying any innocents deserve what has happened, but that goes for both sides. Such a mess, the irony being it’s driven by religion that should be promoting peace and harmony.
Not all hamas organisation is terrorist one part is political side to it that runs Palestine..... the main problem is Israel does not want a two state option so that means only Israel allowed to be on the land
Hence settlements expanding more and more especially as Israel have changed laws making it easier for them to take land away .... UN and all international organisations have said the settlements are illegal in law but not one country or th UN have sanctioned Israel same with the atrocities now they condemned their actions saying its against rules of conflict but nothing done as Israel say we are entitled to blow up people if we think a terrorist is their in house and usa just sais ok then carry on... usa is just a lapdog to Israel to scared to say anything to user them.. Israel and Jewish people are only race that thinks its suffered mass extermination of its people but they're not! yet you say one thing a against them your antisemitic and that is precisely what Netanyahu uses to stop criticism of his plan to remove Palestinians from their own country be interesting to see what usa does when this is over as Netanyahu point blank refuses to accept a two state solution to this crisis one that the UN and usa ect says is only thing thats acceptable to them
Well said Allan,
Plus it never started on October 7th, it started in 1947 by Israel.
And I Hamas did not do 70% of what happened on 7th October, The IDF blew up all the Israel homes and shot down the party goers in their helicopters.
How you’ve to ask did Hamas manage to get through the Best defence in the World on bikes, jeep’s, gliders, just guns and rockets against the best military machines in the world???
Israel also knew 3 weeks before.
This was perfect for the most evil , corrupt Government in the World, played exactly how they wanted.
Thu May 16, 2024 11:08 am
pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Carpe Diem wrote:It’s a complicated issue. They allow themselves to be ruled by Hamas who are a terrorist organisation and commit atrocities as witnessed by the barbaric acts committed back in October. So where does this all fit it?
Not saying any innocents deserve what has happened, but that goes for both sides. Such a mess, the irony being it’s driven by religion that should be promoting peace and harmony.
Not all hamas organisation is terrorist one part is political side to it that runs Palestine..... the main problem is Israel does not want a two state option so that means only Israel allowed to be on the land
Hence settlements expanding more and more especially as Israel have changed laws making it easier for them to take land away .... UN and all international organisations have said the settlements are illegal in law but not one country or th UN have sanctioned Israel same with the atrocities now they condemned their actions saying its against rules of conflict but nothing done as Israel say we are entitled to blow up people if we think a terrorist is their in house and usa just sais ok then carry on... usa is just a lapdog to Israel to scared to say anything to user them.. Israel and Jewish people are only race that thinks its suffered mass extermination of its people but they're not! yet you say one thing a against them your antisemitic and that is precisely what Netanyahu uses to stop criticism of his plan to remove Palestinians from their own country be interesting to see what usa does when this is over as Netanyahu point blank refuses to accept a two state solution to this crisis one that the UN and usa ect says is only thing thats acceptable to them
Well said Allan,
Plus it never started on October 7th, it started in 1947 by Israel.
And I Hamas did not do 70% of what happened on 7th October, The IDF blew up all the Israel homes and shot down the party goers in their helicopters.
How you’ve to ask did Hamas manage to get through the Best defence in the World on bikes, jeep’s, gliders, just guns and rockets against the best military machines in the world???
Israel also knew 3 weeks before.
This was perfect for the most evil , corrupt Government in the World, played exactly how they wanted.
Annis without wanting to get to nvolved in this Netanyahu wanted this position as your right how convenient hamas managed to get hundreds of people across the most guarded/surveillanced strip of land in world
and only need to hear his language and is a type of politician that would do anything and mean anything to get what he wants knowing that his main ally USA won't stop him...
one thing I find astonishing is UN usa accept their account of atrocities Israel simply blame others like aid organisations for no food meds ect when everyone knows its them stopping the aid..... like said its pathetic of countries to accept blowing up houses with women ann children is OK just because Israel say thought a terrorist was in it .....how can you believe such lies is astonishing same excuses for destroying hospitals all do is show so called evidence like an old gun and bits and pieces no real evidence of anything.... no doubt the murder of those 3 hostages or the young girl will never be investigated along with all the atrocities noted by organisations?
how to get away with it by a simple We will look into it and let you know what we find ... theirs been many wars or genocide that have been committed over the years but none as blatant as Netanyahus plan of forced displacement of Palestinians.
Thu May 16, 2024 11:27 am
Thu May 16, 2024 11:40 am
worcester_ccfc wrote:I’m not going to get too much what’s happening over there. Everyone has their opinion and there have been some very fair points made on this thread.
But I will say that in Israel, public support for Netanyahu is not where it was before the attacks.
What is happening is obviously negatively impacting Israel’s reputation around the world, which will last for many years.
At some point there will be an election in Israel (this is expected to happen early next year).
So in that election the people will have to decide whether to protect Netanyahu and or protect their country. Because if he wins again, their international reputation will continue to slide.
When I say their international reputation, I don’t mean from just politicians in the West but mostly the general public in the West.
The polling in Israel suggests that Netanyahu is not in a strong position.
Thu May 16, 2024 11:51 am
Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Carpe Diem wrote:It’s a complicated issue. They allow themselves to be ruled by Hamas who are a terrorist organisation and commit atrocities as witnessed by the barbaric acts committed back in October. So where does this all fit it?
Not saying any innocents deserve what has happened, but that goes for both sides. Such a mess, the irony being it’s driven by religion that should be promoting peace and harmony.
Not all hamas organisation is terrorist one part is political side to it that runs Palestine..... the main problem is Israel does not want a two state option so that means only Israel allowed to be on the land
Hence settlements expanding more and more especially as Israel have changed laws making it easier for them to take land away .... UN and all international organisations have said the settlements are illegal in law but not one country or th UN have sanctioned Israel same with the atrocities now they condemned their actions saying its against rules of conflict but nothing done as Israel say we are entitled to blow up people if we think a terrorist is their in house and usa just sais ok then carry on... usa is just a lapdog to Israel to scared to say anything to user them.. Israel and Jewish people are only race that thinks its suffered mass extermination of its people but they're not! yet you say one thing a against them your antisemitic and that is precisely what Netanyahu uses to stop criticism of his plan to remove Palestinians from their own country be interesting to see what usa does when this is over as Netanyahu point blank refuses to accept a two state solution to this crisis one that the UN and usa ect says is only thing thats acceptable to them
Well said Allan,
Plus it never started on October 7th, it started in 1947 by Israel.
And I Hamas did not do 70% of what happened on 7th October, The IDF blew up all the Israel homes and shot down the party goers in their helicopters.
How you’ve to ask did Hamas manage to get through the Best defence in the World on bikes, jeep’s, gliders, just guns and rockets against the best military machines in the world???
Israel also knew 3 weeks before.
This was perfect for the most evil , corrupt Government in the World, played exactly how they wanted.
Annis without wanting to get to nvolved in this Netanyahu wanted this position as your right how convenient hamas managed to get hundreds of people across the most guarded/surveillanced strip of land in world
and only need to hear his language and is a type of politician that would do anything and mean anything to get what he wants knowing that his main ally USA won't stop him...
one thing I find astonishing is UN usa accept their account of atrocities Israel simply blame others like aid organisations for no food meds ect when everyone knows its them stopping the aid..... like said its pathetic of countries to accept blowing up houses with women ann children is OK just because Israel say thought a terrorist was in it .....how can you believe such lies is astonishing same excuses for destroying hospitals all do is show so called evidence like an old gun and bits and pieces no real evidence of anything.... no doubt the murder of those 3 hostages or the young girl will never be investigated along with all the atrocities noted by organisations?
how to get away with it by a simple We will look into it and let you know what we find ... theirs been many wars or genocide that have been committed over the years but none as blatant as Netanyahus plan of forced displacement of Palestinians.
You like have really studied what’s going on Allan, not like some just watching Sky & BBC lies.
Netanyahu Knows the minute this is over he’s under arrest.
The man should actually be executed.
Even a lot of Jewish people can’t stand him and want him removed.
Netanyahu Is the problem Not Hamas.
All the highest Courts in the World have backed the Palestinians, but USA & UK back a Terrorist called Netanyahu.
Thu May 16, 2024 12:50 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Carpe Diem wrote:It’s a complicated issue. They allow themselves to be ruled by Hamas who are a terrorist organisation and commit atrocities as witnessed by the barbaric acts committed back in October. So where does this all fit it?
Not saying any innocents deserve what has happened, but that goes for both sides. Such a mess, the irony being it’s driven by religion that should be promoting peace and harmony.
Not all hamas organisation is terrorist one part is political side to it that runs Palestine..... the main problem is Israel does not want a two state option so that means only Israel allowed to be on the land
Hence settlements expanding more and more especially as Israel have changed laws making it easier for them to take land away .... UN and all international organisations have said the settlements are illegal in law but not one country or th UN have sanctioned Israel same with the atrocities now they condemned their actions saying its against rules of conflict but nothing done as Israel say we are entitled to blow up people if we think a terrorist is their in house and usa just sais ok then carry on... usa is just a lapdog to Israel to scared to say anything to user them.. Israel and Jewish people are only race that thinks its suffered mass extermination of its people but they're not! yet you say one thing a against them your antisemitic and that is precisely what Netanyahu uses to stop criticism of his plan to remove Palestinians from their own country be interesting to see what usa does when this is over as Netanyahu point blank refuses to accept a two state solution to this crisis one that the UN and usa ect says is only thing thats acceptable to them
Well said Allan,
Plus it never started on October 7th, it started in 1947 by Israel.
And I Hamas did not do 70% of what happened on 7th October, The IDF blew up all the Israel homes and shot down the party goers in their helicopters.
How you’ve to ask did Hamas manage to get through the Best defence in the World on bikes, jeep’s, gliders, just guns and rockets against the best military machines in the world???
Israel also knew 3 weeks before.
This was perfect for the most evil , corrupt Government in the World, played exactly how they wanted.
Annis without wanting to get to nvolved in this Netanyahu wanted this position as your right how convenient hamas managed to get hundreds of people across the most guarded/surveillanced strip of land in world
and only need to hear his language and is a type of politician that would do anything and mean anything to get what he wants knowing that his main ally USA won't stop him...
one thing I find astonishing is UN usa accept their account of atrocities Israel simply blame others like aid organisations for no food meds ect when everyone knows its them stopping the aid..... like said its pathetic of countries to accept blowing up houses with women ann children is OK just because Israel say thought a terrorist was in it .....how can you believe such lies is astonishing same excuses for destroying hospitals all do is show so called evidence like an old gun and bits and pieces no real evidence of anything.... no doubt the murder of those 3 hostages or the young girl will never be investigated along with all the atrocities noted by organisations?
how to get away with it by a simple We will look into it and let you know what we find ... theirs been many wars or genocide that have been committed over the years but none as blatant as Netanyahus plan of forced displacement of Palestinians.
You like have really studied what’s going on Allan, not like some just watching Sky & BBC lies.
Netanyahu Knows the minute this is over he’s under arrest.
The man should actually be executed.
Even a lot of Jewish people can’t stand him and want him removed.
Netanyahu Is the problem Not Hamas.
All the highest Courts in the World have backed the Palestinians, but USA & UK back a Terrorist called Netanyahu.
Annis Netanyahu is the problem but for some reason everyone are blind to what's going on they see it they condemn it but do nothing because soon as they do Israel simply accuse of being antisemitic or supporting terrorist organisation...
What hamas did was madnessfor the people but maybe now the world and ordinary Israeli people will stop and work out permanent solution and yes do look beyond bbc ect for whats happening and I've no doubt Biden and Cameron know Netanyahu and IDF are lying but to scared to do anything about it....
Thu May 16, 2024 1:07 pm
Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Carpe Diem wrote:It’s a complicated issue. They allow themselves to be ruled by Hamas who are a terrorist organisation and commit atrocities as witnessed by the barbaric acts committed back in October. So where does this all fit it?
Not saying any innocents deserve what has happened, but that goes for both sides. Such a mess, the irony being it’s driven by religion that should be promoting peace and harmony.
Not all hamas organisation is terrorist one part is political side to it that runs Palestine..... the main problem is Israel does not want a two state option so that means only Israel allowed to be on the land
Hence settlements expanding more and more especially as Israel have changed laws making it easier for them to take land away .... UN and all international organisations have said the settlements are illegal in law but not one country or th UN have sanctioned Israel same with the atrocities now they condemned their actions saying its against rules of conflict but nothing done as Israel say we are entitled to blow up people if we think a terrorist is their in house and usa just sais ok then carry on... usa is just a lapdog to Israel to scared to say anything to user them.. Israel and Jewish people are only race that thinks its suffered mass extermination of its people but they're not! yet you say one thing a against them your antisemitic and that is precisely what Netanyahu uses to stop criticism of his plan to remove Palestinians from their own country be interesting to see what usa does when this is over as Netanyahu point blank refuses to accept a two state solution to this crisis one that the UN and usa ect says is only thing thats acceptable to them
Well said Allan,
Plus it never started on October 7th, it started in 1947 by Israel.
And I Hamas did not do 70% of what happened on 7th October, The IDF blew up all the Israel homes and shot down the party goers in their helicopters.
How you’ve to ask did Hamas manage to get through the Best defence in the World on bikes, jeep’s, gliders, just guns and rockets against the best military machines in the world???
Israel also knew 3 weeks before.
This was perfect for the most evil , corrupt Government in the World, played exactly how they wanted.
Annis without wanting to get to nvolved in this Netanyahu wanted this position as your right how convenient hamas managed to get hundreds of people across the most guarded/surveillanced strip of land in world
and only need to hear his language and is a type of politician that would do anything and mean anything to get what he wants knowing that his main ally USA won't stop him...
one thing I find astonishing is UN usa accept their account of atrocities Israel simply blame others like aid organisations for no food meds ect when everyone knows its them stopping the aid..... like said its pathetic of countries to accept blowing up houses with women ann children is OK just because Israel say thought a terrorist was in it .....how can you believe such lies is astonishing same excuses for destroying hospitals all do is show so called evidence like an old gun and bits and pieces no real evidence of anything.... no doubt the murder of those 3 hostages or the young girl will never be investigated along with all the atrocities noted by organisations?
how to get away with it by a simple We will look into it and let you know what we find ... theirs been many wars or genocide that have been committed over the years but none as blatant as Netanyahus plan of forced displacement of Palestinians.
You like have really studied what’s going on Allan, not like some just watching Sky & BBC lies.
Netanyahu Knows the minute this is over he’s under arrest.
The man should actually be executed.
Even a lot of Jewish people can’t stand him and want him removed.
Netanyahu Is the problem Not Hamas.
All the highest Courts in the World have backed the Palestinians, but USA & UK back a Terrorist called Netanyahu.
Annis Netanyahu is the problem but for some reason everyone are blind to what's going on they see it they condemn it but do nothing because soon as they do Israel simply accuse of being antisemitic or supporting terrorist organisation...
What hamas did was madnessfor the people but maybe now the world and ordinary Israeli people will stop and work out permanent solution and yes do look beyond bbc ect for whats happening and I've no doubt Biden and Cameron know Netanyahu and IDF are lying but to scared to do anything about it....
Total lies by The IDF TERRORISTS
Also Allan the Jewish people / Civilians have been blocking for months food getting in to the babies and children, attacking the lorry drivers , smashing all the food up even after it had all been searched and checked by the Israel Govt.
The Terrorists are Israel and for me that country should be boycotted by the World.
Thu May 16, 2024 1:11 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Carpe Diem wrote:It’s a complicated issue. They allow themselves to be ruled by Hamas who are a terrorist organisation and commit atrocities as witnessed by the barbaric acts committed back in October. So where does this all fit it?
Not saying any innocents deserve what has happened, but that goes for both sides. Such a mess, the irony being it’s driven by religion that should be promoting peace and harmony.
Not all hamas organisation is terrorist one part is political side to it that runs Palestine..... the main problem is Israel does not want a two state option so that means only Israel allowed to be on the land
Hence settlements expanding more and more especially as Israel have changed laws making it easier for them to take land away .... UN and all international organisations have said the settlements are illegal in law but not one country or th UN have sanctioned Israel same with the atrocities now they condemned their actions saying its against rules of conflict but nothing done as Israel say we are entitled to blow up people if we think a terrorist is their in house and usa just sais ok then carry on... usa is just a lapdog to Israel to scared to say anything to user them.. Israel and Jewish people are only race that thinks its suffered mass extermination of its people but they're not! yet you say one thing a against them your antisemitic and that is precisely what Netanyahu uses to stop criticism of his plan to remove Palestinians from their own country be interesting to see what usa does when this is over as Netanyahu point blank refuses to accept a two state solution to this crisis one that the UN and usa ect says is only thing thats acceptable to them
Well said Allan,
Plus it never started on October 7th, it started in 1947 by Israel.
And I Hamas did not do 70% of what happened on 7th October, The IDF blew up all the Israel homes and shot down the party goers in their helicopters.
How you’ve to ask did Hamas manage to get through the Best defence in the World on bikes, jeep’s, gliders, just guns and rockets against the best military machines in the world???
Israel also knew 3 weeks before.
This was perfect for the most evil , corrupt Government in the World, played exactly how they wanted.
Annis without wanting to get to nvolved in this Netanyahu wanted this position as your right how convenient hamas managed to get hundreds of people across the most guarded/surveillanced strip of land in world
and only need to hear his language and is a type of politician that would do anything and mean anything to get what he wants knowing that his main ally USA won't stop him...
one thing I find astonishing is UN usa accept their account of atrocities Israel simply blame others like aid organisations for no food meds ect when everyone knows its them stopping the aid..... like said its pathetic of countries to accept blowing up houses with women ann children is OK just because Israel say thought a terrorist was in it .....how can you believe such lies is astonishing same excuses for destroying hospitals all do is show so called evidence like an old gun and bits and pieces no real evidence of anything.... no doubt the murder of those 3 hostages or the young girl will never be investigated along with all the atrocities noted by organisations?
how to get away with it by a simple We will look into it and let you know what we find ... theirs been many wars or genocide that have been committed over the years but none as blatant as Netanyahus plan of forced displacement of Palestinians.
You like have really studied what’s going on Allan, not like some just watching Sky & BBC lies.
Netanyahu Knows the minute this is over he’s under arrest.
The man should actually be executed.
Even a lot of Jewish people can’t stand him and want him removed.
Netanyahu Is the problem Not Hamas.
All the highest Courts in the World have backed the Palestinians, but USA & UK back a Terrorist called Netanyahu.
Annis Netanyahu is the problem but for some reason everyone are blind to what's going on they see it they condemn it but do nothing because soon as they do Israel simply accuse of being antisemitic or supporting terrorist organisation...
What hamas did was madnessfor the people but maybe now the world and ordinary Israeli people will stop and work out permanent solution and yes do look beyond bbc ect for whats happening and I've no doubt Biden and Cameron know Netanyahu and IDF are lying but to scared to do anything about it....
Total lies by The IDF TERRORISTS
Also Allan the Jewish people / Civilians have been blocking for months food getting in to the babies and children, attacking the lorry drivers , smashing all the food up even after it had all been searched and checked by the Israel Govt.
The Terrorists are Israel and for me that country should be boycotted by the World.
Annis the world knows what Israel is doing is barbaric and against international law but are not prepared to do anything about it the question is why not? yes was appalling attack by Hamas but killing 35k people mostly women and children cannot be justified by any one.. . Yes can defend yourself but that part as long gone now it's simple revenge supported by usa UK and others! Today Israeli politician is calling Netanyahu out for insisting that he will destroy hamas at any cost and refusing to entertain a two state solution.... so maybe they've had enough of his antics.
Thu May 16, 2024 1:13 pm
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Thu May 16, 2024 4:38 pm
Forever Blue wrote:"Palestinian babies decapitated by Israeli and US bombs" doesn't sell as well as the hoax about 40 made-up Israeli babies, so you won't see or hear of this on the evening news.
Thu May 16, 2024 5:05 pm
Thu May 16, 2024 5:13 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:"Palestinian babies decapitated by Israeli and US bombs" doesn't sell as well as the hoax about 40 made-up Israeli babies, so you won't see or hear of this on the evening news.
Funny enough annis everytime theres a horror story committed by Israelis they come out with unsubstantiated stories of hamas horrors... there again all of Israelis so called finds or stories are unsubstantiated or have evidence that doesn't go anywhere near proving a thing...... either that or they blame hamas for Israelii atrocities .. just today they blew up 5 of own soldiers because someone saw a rifle and just ordered 2 tanks to open fire that's typical of what they're doing just like the hostages in "underwear " they shot probably thought had bazooka hidden .
Thu May 16, 2024 5:14 pm
Forever Blue wrote:There are some Decent Israeli people:
ISRAELIS are protesting against NETANYAHU for REFUSING CEASEFIRE DEALS.
Thu May 16, 2024 5:22 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:Forever Blue wrote:There are some Decent Israeli people:
ISRAELIS are protesting against NETANYAHU for REFUSING CEASEFIRE DEALS.
Like I said in my post, public opinion in Israel is moving against Netanyahu.
When there’s an election he will lose but the problem is there are international repercussions for Israel in the long term. Whoever succeeds him will have big problems because people will obviously not forget this.
I defended Israel in October but I also feel for the Palestine people. What has happened since October has been totally unacceptable. I understand those saying what has been happening for many years is awful.
As you know Annis, I like a lot what Starmer has been doing. He’s changed my party for the better, getting rid of the loony people on the left like Corbyn and Abbott. He has brought the party back to the centre, which we needed and is more aligned with my political beliefs even though I did support the party in the dark days.
But I don’t think he has been strong enough on Israel. I hope that’s because he’s worried about losing votes due to the recent history of the party and anti semitism - something he has changed.
But all things being equal, hopefully he will be PM later this year and at that point I would demand him to be stronger on Israel.
Thu May 16, 2024 5:33 pm
pembroke allan wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Forever Blue wrote:There are some Decent Israeli people:
ISRAELIS are protesting against NETANYAHU for REFUSING CEASEFIRE DEALS.
Like I said in my post, public opinion in Israel is moving against Netanyahu.
When there’s an election he will lose but the problem is there are international repercussions for Israel in the long term. Whoever succeeds him will have big problems because people will obviously not forget this.
I defended Israel in October but I also feel for the Palestine people. What has happened since October has been totally unacceptable. I understand those saying what has been happening for many years is awful.
As you know Annis, I like a lot what Starmer has been doing. He’s changed my party for the better, getting rid of the loony people on the left like Corbyn and Abbott. He has brought the party back to the centre, which we needed and is more aligned with my political beliefs even though I did support the party in the dark days.
But I don’t think he has been strong enough on Israel. I hope that’s because he’s worried about losing votes due to the recent history of the party and anti semitism - something he has changed.
But all things being equal, hopefully he will be PM later this year and at that point I would demand him to be stronger on Israel.
Ned not sure starmer wants to get involved at moment haven't heared a peep from labour on subject....only voice on the matter is camarons and he won't say a bad word about Israelis or their actions ... excuse for not having sanctions is we don't directly supply their army we grant licences to companies so its their decision if supply parts to them. Sounds like a cop out to me...
Thu May 16, 2024 6:03 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:Forever Blue wrote:There are some Decent Israeli people:
ISRAELIS are protesting against NETANYAHU for REFUSING CEASEFIRE DEALS.
Like I said in my post, public opinion in Israel is moving against Netanyahu.
When there’s an election he will lose but the problem is there are international repercussions for Israel in the long term. Whoever succeeds him will have big problems because people will obviously not forget this.
I defended Israel in October but I also feel for the Palestine people. What has happened since October has been totally unacceptable. I understand those saying what has been happening for many years is awful.
As you know Annis, I like a lot what Starmer has been doing. He’s changed my party for the better, getting rid of the loony people on the left like Corbyn and Abbott. He has brought the party back to the centre, which we needed and is more aligned with my political beliefs even though I did support the party in the dark days.
But I don’t think he has been strong enough on Israel. I hope that’s because he’s worried about losing votes due to the recent history of the party and anti semitism - something he has changed.
But all things being equal, hopefully he will be PM later this year and at that point I would demand him to be stronger on Israel.
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