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DERBY - Optimism ? : “On Paper” , my clear op

Mon Sep 02, 2024 6:57 am

DERBY - Optimism ? :



“On Paper” , my clear opinion , is that Derby - who we play next - are one of the weakest teams in the Championship …..possibly the weakest .


My point is that - Players-wise we are comfortably better than them in every single position . Not one of their players can make our first team .


Their key striker is Jerry Yates , who is on loan from the Jacks. Realistically , Swansea are possibly a struggling side in our division …..and if Yates is not even 3rd or 4th choice for them ….how good can he be ? Also , three of their key players were ex Bluebirds . Ebou Adams , Nathaniel Mendez-Laing and Curtis Nelson .



I am not saying they are bad players , but the truth is that we let them all go , because in the eyes of our managers , they were not good enough ….in the sense that we had better .




Can Derby be described as a “rag tag bobtail” outfit (as someone told me)? No - not in my eyes ….but they have been assembled in the best way they could afford ….with a very limited budget ….say compared to us .



In Paul Warne they have a manager who I have a lot of respect for . His reputation is that of a ‘doer’ ….a steady and reliable person who can produce a team that can punch above their weight on very limited budgets.


Player-wise ….we are definitely a cut or two above them (on paper). However , what it is going to come down to , is two things :



(1) which manager will set his team better and have the better tactics ? (2) which team has ‘the eye of the tiger’ and wants it more?


Being comfortably better as a team is very important …but not enough. However , my two concerns are can Bulut produce on the day (his selection , formation and tactics) ? Collectively , does our team have any ‘spunk’ ….or do we have too many fairies or players who do not care and just go through the motions?


With only one point to our name , this season , the Derby game caries far more importance than it normally would have . It is a must win game !!




Derby is a game I expect us to win comfortably ….”on paper” ….but the game will be contested in grass .



Derby can not win this game …..but we can lose it .



NB: please excuse my rant , and yes there is still a long time between now and the Derby game ….but I am feeling so frustrated and so angry with our team’s performance and our manager’s performance …..that I had to vent up my feelings now ….and get your opinions.
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Re: DERBY - Optimism ? : “On Paper” , my clea

Mon Sep 02, 2024 7:11 am

I would not underestimate them.

They have been a right mess for a few seasons now spending a couple of season in League one to get themselves sorted. There are signs of that happening and although judges as weak for this league they have got of to a reasonable start. They will be full of confidence coming to play us specially in the state we are.

For me life will be misable up here if we lose to them.

Re: DERBY - Optimism ? : “On Paper” , my clea

Mon Sep 02, 2024 7:19 am

Bakedalasker wrote:I would not underestimate them.

They have been a right mess for a few seasons now spending a couple of season in League one to get themselves sorted. There are signs of that happening and although judges as weak for this league they have got of to a reasonable start. They will be full of confidence coming to play us specially in the state we are.

For me life will be misable up here if we lose to them.



Ian,

Def not underestimating Derby.

But we have to believe we can win these games.

They are mainly a league 1 squad and on paper we do have a better squad.


It’s over to Erol Bulut?

Re: DERBY - Optimism ? : “On Paper” , my clea

Mon Sep 02, 2024 7:31 am

Going to be interesting to see how much the players want this and If he does make the changes and we get off to a fast start then could be the first 3 points we badly need , my optimism is low but will stilll be there supporting the team .

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Mon Sep 02, 2024 7:32 am

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Mon Sep 02, 2024 7:43 am

We should beat them on paper but they'll be more fired up for it than us, especially the players that we cast aside. You watch Adams boss this game - Ramsey won't know what's hit him.

If we lose, Bulut has got to go...coz these are the exact games we need to target for 3 points. Hard to believe we are already that desperate!!!

Re: DERBY - Optimism ? : “On Paper” , my clea

Mon Sep 02, 2024 8:03 am

I think we've had a tough start. 3 teams that will be play offs {or above) and obviously an away derby.

This is our first fixture against a club who should be nowhere near the top of the table.

Let's see how good/bad we really are!!

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Mon Sep 02, 2024 8:42 am

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Mon Sep 02, 2024 8:46 am

jimmy_rat wrote:I think we've had a tough start. 3 teams that will be play offs {or above) and obviously an away derby.

This is our first fixture against a club who should be nowhere near the top of the table.

Let's see how good/bad we really are!!



We said exactly the same last season

You always say the opposite to me guaranteed.

Really????

Sunderland came and fielded the kids and their fans thought they were in for a hiding.
We were at home.

Burnley are just getting adjusted looked ordinary.
Let’s see Burnley hammer other clubs like they did us?

Boro were very ordinary and had not won for 3 games and we were at home.

Swansea are very very poor and the first-half they were smashing us.

Re: DERBY - Optimism ? : “On Paper” , my clea

Mon Sep 02, 2024 8:48 am

Forever Blue wrote:DERBY - Optimism ? :



“On Paper” , my clear opinion , is that Derby - who we play next - are one of the weakest teams in the Championship …..possibly the weakest .


My point is that - Players-wise we are comfortably better than them in every single position . Not one of their players can make our first team .


Their key striker is Jerry Yates , who is on loan from the Jacks. Realistically , Swansea are possibly a struggling side in our division …..and if Yates is not even 3rd or 4th choice for them ….how good can he be ? Also , three of their key players were ex Bluebirds . Ebou Adams , Nathaniel Mendez-Laing and Curtis Nelson .



I am not saying they are bad players , but the truth is that we let them all go , because in the eyes of our managers , they were not good enough ….in the sense that we had better .




Can Derby be described as a “rag tag bobtail” outfit (as someone told me)? No - not in my eyes ….but they have been assembled in the best way they could afford ….with a very limited budget ….say compared to us .



In Paul Warne they have a manager who I have a lot of respect for . His reputation is that of a ‘doer’ ….a steady and reliable person who can produce a team that can punch above their weight on very limited budgets.


Player-wise ….we are definitely a cut or two above them (on paper). However , what it is going to come down to , is two things :



(1) which manager will set his team better and have the better tactics ? (2) which team has ‘the eye of the tiger’ and wants it more?


Being comfortably better as a team is very important …but not enough. However , my two concerns are can Bulut produce on the day (his selection , formation and tactics) ? Collectively , does our team have any ‘spunk’ ….or do we have too many fairies or players who do not care and just go through the motions?


With only one point to our name , this season , the Derby game caries far more importance than it normally would have . It is a must win game !!




Derby is a game I expect us to win comfortably ….”on paper” ….but the game will be contested in grass .



Derby can not win this game …..but we can lose it .



NB: please excuse my rant , and yes there is still a long time between now and the Derby game ….but I am feeling so frustrated and so angry with our team’s performance and our manager’s performance …..that I had to vent up my feelings now ….and get your opinions.
As you say Annis, a ‘must win’ game, Bulut and the players will be very aware of that and I am sure we will win :bluebird:

Re: DERBY - Optimism ? : “On Paper” , my clea

Mon Sep 02, 2024 8:58 am

lordllanbradach@icloud.com wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:DERBY - Optimism ? :



“On Paper” , my clear opinion , is that Derby - who we play next - are one of the weakest teams in the Championship …..possibly the weakest .


My point is that - Players-wise we are comfortably better than them in every single position . Not one of their players can make our first team .


Their key striker is Jerry Yates , who is on loan from the Jacks. Realistically , Swansea are possibly a struggling side in our division …..and if Yates is not even 3rd or 4th choice for them ….how good can he be ? Also , three of their key players were ex Bluebirds . Ebou Adams , Nathaniel Mendez-Laing and Curtis Nelson .



I am not saying they are bad players , but the truth is that we let them all go , because in the eyes of our managers , they were not good enough ….in the sense that we had better .




Can Derby be described as a “rag tag bobtail” outfit (as someone told me)? No - not in my eyes ….but they have been assembled in the best way they could afford ….with a very limited budget ….say compared to us .



In Paul Warne they have a manager who I have a lot of respect for . His reputation is that of a ‘doer’ ….a steady and reliable person who can produce a team that can punch above their weight on very limited budgets.


Player-wise ….we are definitely a cut or two above them (on paper). However , what it is going to come down to , is two things :



(1) which manager will set his team better and have the better tactics ? (2) which team has ‘the eye of the tiger’ and wants it more?


Being comfortably better as a team is very important …but not enough. However , my two concerns are can Bulut produce on the day (his selection , formation and tactics) ? Collectively , does our team have any ‘spunk’ ….or do we have too many fairies or players who do not care and just go through the motions?


With only one point to our name , this season , the Derby game caries far more importance than it normally would have . It is a must win game !!




Derby is a game I expect us to win comfortably ….”on paper” ….but the game will be contested in grass .



Derby can not win this game …..but we can lose it .



NB: please excuse my rant , and yes there is still a long time between now and the Derby game ….but I am feeling so frustrated and so angry with our team’s performance and our manager’s performance …..that I had to vent up my feelings now ….and get your opinions.
As you say Annis, a ‘must win’ game, Bulut and the players will be very aware of that and I am sure we will win :bluebird:



You have to start winning these games, another defeat and the players will start giving up.

Re: DERBY - Optimism ? : “On Paper” , my clea

Mon Sep 02, 2024 8:59 am

It's all going to depend on how we are set up. We cannot set up so defensively against a team we should expect to beat.

We need to play our strongest attacking team, no matter how young they are.

If we go for it, then I expect 3 points :ayatollah:

Re: DERBY - Optimism ? : “On Paper” , my clea

Mon Sep 02, 2024 9:13 am

Forever Blue wrote:
jimmy_rat wrote:I think we've had a tough start. 3 teams that will be play offs {or above) and obviously an away derby.

This is our first fixture against a club who should be nowhere near the top of the table.

Let's see how good/bad we really are!!



We said exactly the same last season

You always say the opposite to me guaranteed.

Really????

Sunderland came and fielded the kids and their fans thought they were in for a hiding.
We were at home.

Burnley are just getting adjusted looked ordinary.

Boro were very ordinary and had not won for 3 games and we were at home.

Swansea are very very poor and the first-half they were smashing us.


Just because I am not negative.

Sunderland are still top of the league. We may have been saying it at the time. They were unknown. They WILL be near the top come May.

Burnley. Most pundits and bookies had as favourites to bounce straight back up.

Boro. Many have as faves to make the playoffs.

And as for Swansea. It's an away derby. Form, team on paper, throw it all out the window. It's always a tough game!

You saying that's an easy start then? You'll always disagree with common sense.

Re: DERBY - Optimism ? : “On Paper” , my clea

Mon Sep 02, 2024 9:30 am

The main issue is that we cannot score or defend particularly well
A bad combination
Derby are playing as a team, just like we did under Malky and Neil Warnock
I will be there as a season ticket holder regardless of what happens, but for me worrying times

Re: DERBY - Optimism ? : “On Paper” , my clea

Mon Sep 02, 2024 9:31 am

Forever Blue wrote:
jimmy_rat wrote:I think we've had a tough start. 3 teams that will be play offs {or above) and obviously an away derby.

This is our first fixture against a club who should be nowhere near the top of the table.

Let's see how good/bad we really are!!



We said exactly the same last season

You always say the opposite to me guaranteed.

Really????

Sunderland came and fielded the kids and their fans thought they were in for a hiding.
We were at home.

Burnley are just getting adjusted looked ordinary.
Let’s see Burnley hammer other clubs like they did us?

Boro were very ordinary and had not won for 3 games and we were at home.

Swansea are very very poor and the first-half they were smashing us.


yep , all facts right here

Re: DERBY - Optimism ? : “On Paper” , my clea

Mon Sep 02, 2024 9:51 am

Blue Valley wrote:It's all going to depend on how we are set up. We cannot set up so defensively against a team we should expect to beat.

We need to play our strongest attacking team, no matter how young they are.

If we go for it, then I expect 3 points :ayatollah:



That’s Buluts problem he sets up to defend

Re: DERBY - Optimism ? : “On Paper” , my clea

Mon Sep 02, 2024 9:55 am

Derby like Sunderland have spent a massive part of their history in the top division and are now gaining momentum to get back there .they tanked the Wurzels on Saturday and I fear we will offer little and hopefully it will be buluts last game

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Mon Sep 02, 2024 11:14 am

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Mon Sep 02, 2024 11:15 am

jimmy_rat wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
jimmy_rat wrote:I think we've had a tough start. 3 teams that will be play offs {or above) and obviously an away derby.

This is our first fixture against a club who should be nowhere near the top of the table.

Let's see how good/bad we really are!!



We said exactly the same last season

You always say the opposite to me guaranteed.

Really????

Sunderland came and fielded the kids and their fans thought they were in for a hiding.
We were at home.

Burnley are just getting adjusted looked ordinary.

Boro were very ordinary and had not won for 3 games and we were at home.

Swansea are very very poor and the first-half they were smashing us.


Just because I am not negative.

Sunderland are still top of the league. We may have been saying it at the time. They were unknown. They WILL be near the top come May.

Burnley. Most pundits and bookies had as favourites to bounce straight back up.

Boro. Many have as faves to make the playoffs.

And as for Swansea. It's an away derby. Form, team on paper, throw it all out the window. It's always a tough game!

You saying that's an easy start then? You'll always disagree with common sense.




NO Because your never honest and straight.


Where did I say easy, it just was just not the toughest like your making out.


OK what’s their to be positive about at this moment from the Academy right through to the first team and our crowds
Please say???

PLEASE

Re: DERBY - Optimism ? : “On Paper” , my clea

Mon Sep 02, 2024 11:17 am

skiprat wrote:Derby like Sunderland have spent a massive part of their history in the top division and are now gaining momentum to get back there .they tanked the Wurzels on Saturday and I fear we will offer little and hopefully it will be buluts last game


Mike,

History means nothing at the moment it’s about what’s happening now.

As to Sunderland they’ve taken quite a few years to get out of league1

Both in recent years have struggled

Re: DERBY - Optimism ? : “On Paper” , my clea

Mon Sep 02, 2024 11:31 am

englishbluebird wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
jimmy_rat wrote:I think we've had a tough start. 3 teams that will be play offs {or above) and obviously an away derby.

This is our first fixture against a club who should be nowhere near the top of the table.

Let's see how good/bad we really are!!



We said exactly the same last season

You always say the opposite to me guaranteed.

Really????

Sunderland came and fielded the kids and their fans thought they were in for a hiding.
We were at home.

Burnley are just getting adjusted looked ordinary.
Let’s see Burnley hammer other clubs like they did us?

Boro were very ordinary and had not won for 3 games and we were at home.

Swansea are very very poor and the first-half they were smashing us.


yep , all facts right here




Yes quite straightforward and honest

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Mon Sep 02, 2024 11:39 am

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Re: DERBY - Optimism ? : “On Paper” , my clea

Mon Sep 02, 2024 11:59 am

Guarantee our three former players will have the game of their lives and Yates will score a hat trick!

Re: DERBY - Optimism ? : “On Paper” , my clea

Mon Sep 02, 2024 12:09 pm

Derby don’t have a great squad and will probably move down to the bottom half as the season goes on, despite their good start.

But can I see us beating them with the way we are? Definitely not.

They have scored seven goals, we have scored one.

I have no confidence at all.

Re: DERBY - Optimism ? : “On Paper” , my clea

Mon Sep 02, 2024 12:31 pm

They thumped Bristol City 3 nil on Saturday - I will be amazed if we even get a point there.

Re: DERBY - Optimism ? : “On Paper” , my clea

Mon Sep 02, 2024 12:32 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
jimmy_rat wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
jimmy_rat wrote:I think we've had a tough start. 3 teams that will be play offs {or above) and obviously an away derby.

This is our first fixture against a club who should be nowhere near the top of the table.

Let's see how good/bad we really are!!



We said exactly the same last season

You always say the opposite to me guaranteed.

Really????

Sunderland came and fielded the kids and their fans thought they were in for a hiding.
We were at home.

Burnley are just getting adjusted looked ordinary.

Boro were very ordinary and had not won for 3 games and we were at home.

Swansea are very very poor and the first-half they were smashing us.


Just because I am not negative.

Sunderland are still top of the league. We may have been saying it at the time. They were unknown. They WILL be near the top come May.

Burnley. Most pundits and bookies had as favourites to bounce straight back up.

Boro. Many have as faves to make the playoffs.

And as for Swansea. It's an away derby. Form, team on paper, throw it all out the window. It's always a tough game!

You saying that's an easy start then? You'll always disagree with common sense.




NO Because your never honest and straight.


Where did I say easy, it just was just not the toughest like your making out.


OK what’s their to be positive about at this moment from the Academy right through to the first team and our crowds
Please say???

PLEASE


I am ALWAYS honest and straight.

It IS a tough start. Burnley also smashed Luton away who were a PL club last season, Sunderland have dominated everyone they have played! Swansea a derby, do I need to explain how that is tough?! Boro arguably the easiest, I'll give you that one. But that 3-1 to me!! Honest truths even you can't disagree with.

Derby will be litmus test of where we are at. That's my point. They are the first club we are to play who aren't widely regarded as being good (as per the ones we have played), by pundits, bookies and other fans! (I'm ignoring the derby for obvious reasons.)

Being positive doesn't mean I think we're going to win the league, smash everyone, etc. I said I'm not negative!! I'm not knocking the club for every excuse I can find!!

I watched the academy 2 weeks ago, was very impressed with the youngsters there, the coaches and most of all Purse and how he was coaching through the game. I do think we have some gems there!

I do think we'll improve this season and I'm confident we have enough to not go down!

:ayatollah:

Re: DERBY - Optimism ? : “On Paper” , my clea

Mon Sep 02, 2024 12:43 pm

jimmy_rat wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
jimmy_rat wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
jimmy_rat wrote:I think we've had a tough start. 3 teams that will be play offs {or above) and obviously an away derby.

This is our first fixture against a club who should be nowhere near the top of the table.

Let's see how good/bad we really are!!



We said exactly the same last season

You always say the opposite to me guaranteed.

Really????

Sunderland came and fielded the kids and their fans thought they were in for a hiding.
We were at home.

Burnley are just getting adjusted looked ordinary.

Boro were very ordinary and had not won for 3 games and we were at home.

Swansea are very very poor and the first-half they were smashing us.


Just because I am not negative.

Sunderland are still top of the league. We may have been saying it at the time. They were unknown. They WILL be near the top come May.

Burnley. Most pundits and bookies had as favourites to bounce straight back up.

Boro. Many have as faves to make the playoffs.

And as for Swansea. It's an away derby. Form, team on paper, throw it all out the window. It's always a tough game!

You saying that's an easy start then? You'll always disagree with common sense.




NO Because your never honest and straight.


Where did I say easy, it just was just not the toughest like your making out.


OK what’s their to be positive about at this moment from the Academy right through to the first team and our crowds
Please say???

PLEASE


I am ALWAYS honest and straight.

It IS a tough start. Burnley also smashed Luton away who were a PL club last season, Sunderland have dominated everyone they have played! Swansea a derby, do I need to explain how that is tough?! Boro arguably the easiest, I'll give you that one. But that 3-1 to me!! Honest truths even you can't disagree with.

Derby will be litmus test of where we are at. That's my point. They are the first club we are to play who aren't widely regarded as being good (as per the ones we have played), by pundits, bookies and other fans! (I'm ignoring the derby for obvious reasons.)

Being positive doesn't mean I think we're going to win the league, smash everyone, etc. I said I'm not negative!! I'm not knocking the club for every excuse I can find!!

I watched the academy 2 weeks ago, was very impressed with the youngsters there, the coaches and most of all Purse and how he was coaching through the game. I do think we have some gems there!

I do think we'll improve this season and I'm confident we have enough to not go down!

:ayatollah:




You have not said what there is to be Positive about so far?



As the Academy how many make it?
How many players from the Academy had Bulut started this season in the league?

Where do all our Academy players end up?

What are we achieving with it?


Honestly how can you be positive about City so far this season?

I keep saying that’s not an easy start or tough start.

Scored 1 goal conceded 10
Not Won and your positive about that.

They buy a Striker, out of Bulut's hands and then send him to Tans other club.

Even Wez is No longer positive


As your the first person out of thousands who see’s it differently?

That ms how pathetic you are you even praised and were happy Conte was sent to the Non league




PLUS JUST LOOKED AT ONE OF YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS:

Hmmm?




“I'm still in the camp that Bulut needs to do more“

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Mon Sep 02, 2024 4:18 pm

WELL JIMMY RAT

THE BBC DONT SEEM TO BE POSITIVE EITHER

Like I say you only say it to be exactly the opposite to me, as their is NOTHING to be Positive about:


WORST CARDIFF START FOR 35 YEARS:
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