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O/T Assisted Dying

Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:09 pm

MPs have today voted in favour of Assisted Dying. I would have voted against it.

Does not mean by any means that it will become law.

There are still a number of stages for it to get through and I'm sure the debate will go on.



But are you in favour of it or not?

I understand the reasons people want it - there are people going through insufferable pain.

My concern has always been, and still is, the safe guarding. Which is why I would have voted no.

It is a highly emotive topic though and people will decide based on what they have experienced seeing through their family and friends.



Voting breakdown

For assisted dying

Labour - 234
Conservative - 23
Lib Dems - 61
Reform - 3
Green - 4
Plaid Cymru - 3
SDLP - 1
Independent - 1

Against assisted dying

Labour - 147
Conservative - 92
Lib Dems - 11
Reform - 2
Independent - 14
DUP - 5
Alliance - 1
Traditional Unionist - 1
Ulster Unionist - 1

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:35 pm

A big NO from me too, Ned; and for similar reasons… :ayatollah:

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:43 pm

What safe guarding can you have besides two Dr's and a judge? We all know what happens when get to many Dr's involved in medical cases Court fights!.. I've been in many in mental health and medical cases its nearly always about one person's view and not the patient or loved ones.... long way to go so hopefully safeguarding can be made as secure as possible..

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:52 pm

I'm 50/50 on this, I get the fact that some people are in pain and want to die but it could be open to abuse that's the problem.

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:53 pm

A big YES from me, I do understand the concerns about being coerced into making the decision and some measure will have to be put in (not sure what) but at the end of the day it should be your decision and no one else's when you choose to leave this world

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:12 pm

Voting breakdown

For assisted dying

Labour - 234
Conservative - 23
Lib Dems - 61
Reform - 3
Green - 4
Plaid Cymru - 3
SDLP - 1
Independent - 1

Against assisted dying

Labour - 147
Conservative - 92
Lib Dems - 11
Reform - 2
Independent - 14
DUP - 5
Alliance - 1
Traditional Unionist - 1
Ulster Unionist - 1

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:13 pm

wez1927 wrote:I'm 50/50 on this, I get the fact that some people are in pain and want to die but it could be open to abuse that's the problem.



Wez 99% + of those wanting to end their lives are fully aware of what they're doing and don't need help from anyone to decide to go ahead with it....the very small minority who are to ill to make a decision the relatives will have hard job convincing 2 Dr's and judge that its what patient want.....coercion is only applicable if patient is not able to make a decision themselves but you would hope drs/judge would see through what's happening and prevent it happening.....

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:15 pm

A yes for me. Were I in extreme pain or unable to care for myself I’d want the choice. I’d do it either way but the option of doing it in a safe, dignified and comfortable environment should be available.

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:19 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:Voting breakdown

For assisted dying

Labour - 234
Conservative - 23
Lib Dems - 61
Reform - 3
Green - 4
Plaid Cymru - 3
SDLP - 1
Independent - 1

Against assisted dying

Labour - 147
Conservative - 92
Lib Dems - 11
Reform - 2
Independent - 14
DUP - 5
Alliance - 1
Traditional Unionist - 1
Ulster Unionist - 1


What this shows to me is that all the main parties have a bit of a split on this.

But also that a vote like this being successful was dependant on Labour winning the election with the majority they did.

Any other outcome and I think this first vote wouldn't have passed, even with a Labour win but a decreased majority.


Worth pointing out that this was brought forward by a Labour MP and not by the Government - although the Government didn't stand in the way of it.

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:21 pm

It's a yes from me & it should be an option that you can choose in advance of being in that position.

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Fri Nov 29, 2024 5:07 pm

It is a YES from me

My views on whether I believe in assisted dying doesnt really matter.

But I would vote YES because I believe it should be the right of every individual to decide, themselves, what is right for them

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Fri Nov 29, 2024 5:17 pm

A massive yes. The unfortunate thing is people who would want it but gone past the mental capacity will have to continue to suffer. We should have like a donor guard authorising put ourselves out of pain. Quality of life over quantity. Both are best but not always possible.

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Fri Nov 29, 2024 6:06 pm

We leave in a free country.
My wifes death from breast cancer was the worst thing I have witnessed in my life.
Literally drowned in her own fluid in a hospice.
It's about freedom of choice
Not being deticted to by some phoney religionus nut case

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Fri Nov 29, 2024 7:59 pm

stickywicket wrote:We leave in a free country.
My wifes death from breast cancer was the worst thing I have witnessed in my life.
Literally drowned in her own fluid in a hospice.
It's about freedom of choice
Not being deticted to by some phoney religionus nut case


Sorry to hear you had to endure that mate

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Fri Nov 29, 2024 9:10 pm

stickywicket wrote:We leave in a free country.
My wifes death from breast cancer was the worst thing I have witnessed in my life.
Literally drowned in her own fluid in a hospice.
It's about freedom of choice
Not being deticted to by some phoney religionus nut case



Sad to hear your experience but your right a lot of objections are from religious perspective? People who say no (not on here might add) make out people are not capable of making their own minds up and in some way are suffering from dementia or similar and will be cohesed into agreeing to end their lives.....seen enough suffering to realise I wouldn't want to suffer like they did...

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Fri Nov 29, 2024 10:52 pm

Anyone who has watched a loved one die in agony has every right to comment for those who have not or rather been spared this trauma thank goodness you have not gone through it

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Fri Nov 29, 2024 10:52 pm

Anyone who has watched a loved one die in agony has every right to comment for those who have not or rather been spared this trauma thank goodness you have not gone through it

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Sat Nov 30, 2024 6:34 am

It's a yes from me...my sister had a stroke 31 years ago and passed away last night... she's been bed bound for years with limited speech but would have gone years ago if she could, to watch her just being pumped with morphine and oxygen o er the last ten days was heartbreaking.. hearing her moan in pain. We treat animals with more dignity

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Sat Nov 30, 2024 6:40 am

It's a yes from me...my sister had a stroke 31 years ago and passed away last night... she's been bed bound for years with limited speech but would have gone years ago if she could, to watch her just being pumped with morphine and oxygen o er the last ten days was heartbreaking.. hearing her moan in pain. We treat animals with more dignity

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Sat Nov 30, 2024 7:33 am

Bluebird 67 wrote:It's a yes from me...my sister had a stroke 31 years ago and passed away last night... she's been bed bound for years with limited speech but would have gone years ago if she could, to watch her just being pumped with morphine and oxygen o er the last ten days was heartbreaking.. hearing her moan in pain. We treat animals with more dignity



Sorry for your loss mate. It’s exact situations like this that it should be brought in for. Look after yourself.

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Sat Nov 30, 2024 9:46 am

Thank you...her husband is in hospital with terminal throat cancer and he has openly said he s had enough, so I m for it but with it carefully managed.

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Sat Nov 30, 2024 9:46 am

Thank you...her husband is in hospital with terminal throat cancer and he has openly said he s had enough, so I m for it but with it carefully managed.

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Sat Nov 30, 2024 10:26 am

My heart goes out to the families of, and those who have suffered, from awful illnesses.

If I were terminally ill I do not know whether I would want to take that route or not. But this is where interpretation of the bill matters.

The question is not whether I support the right to die or not. Instead the correct question is - "Should individuals have the right to decide for themselves" and for me this is an obvious yes.

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Sat Nov 30, 2024 10:27 am

Jimmy Scoular wrote:Anyone who has watched a loved one die in agony has every right to comment for those who have not or rather been spared this trauma thank goodness you have not gone through it

100% agree with you.

Thankfully I'm currently in the latter bracket and haven't voted because I don't feel I'm qualified to do so.

It's a massive subject and understand people's opinions for and against it but until you have that awful experience you can't know now 100% how you'd feel in that situation.

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Sat Nov 30, 2024 11:28 am

It’s a yes from me. I’m interested to know what level of safeguarding would need to be achieved to change a no to a yes.

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Sat Nov 30, 2024 11:39 am

MikeO76 wrote:
Jimmy Scoular wrote:Anyone who has watched a loved one die in agony has every right to comment for those who have not or rather been spared this trauma thank goodness you have not gone through it

100% agree with you.

Thankfully I'm currently in the latter bracket and haven't voted because I don't feel I'm qualified to do so.

It's a massive subject and understand people's opinions for and against it but until you have that awful experience you can't know now 100% how you'd feel in that situation.


You absolutely should vote for that reason. If you have an opinion one way or the other. It’s good to have a wide spectrum of views and experiences.

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Sat Nov 30, 2024 11:40 am

Merthyrfunhouse wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:
Jimmy Scoular wrote:Anyone who has watched a loved one die in agony has every right to comment for those who have not or rather been spared this trauma thank goodness you have not gone through it

100% agree with you.

Thankfully I'm currently in the latter bracket and haven't voted because I don't feel I'm qualified to do so.

It's a massive subject and understand people's opinions for and against it but until you have that awful experience you can't know now 100% how you'd feel in that situation.


You absolutely should vote for that reason. If you have an opinion one way or the other. It’s good to have a wide spectrum of views and experiences.


Agree with that.

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Sat Nov 30, 2024 11:44 am

Definite yes from me.

I’m actually concerned that it leaves out those who are in the latter stages of dementia/Alzheimer’s disease.

I had to watch my mother go through that after 6/7 years of not even recognising me and, believe me, her death was way more traumatic, for both her and the family, than it should have been.

Opponents need to remember that this is a choice, it’s not compulsory. With proper safeguards in place I really don’t understand why anyone would be against anyone having that choice whether you want for yourself/loved ones or not.

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Sat Nov 30, 2024 11:48 am

piledriver64 wrote:Definite yes from me.

I’m actually concerned that it leaves out those who are in the latter stages of dementia/Alzheimer’s disease.

I had to watch my mother go through that after 6/7 years of not even recognising me and, believe me, her death was way more traumatic, for both her and the family, than it should have been.

Opponents need to remember that this is a choice, it’s not compulsory. With proper safeguards in place I really don’t understand why anyone would be against anyone having that choice whether you want for yourself/loved ones or not.


Totally agree, you put it much better than I did above. I feel it’s not gone far enough.

Re: O/T Assisted Dying

Sat Nov 30, 2024 11:52 am

worcester_ccfc wrote:MPs have today voted in favour of Assisted Dying. I would have voted against it.

Does not mean by any means that it will become law.

There are still a number of stages for it to get through and I'm sure the debate will go on.



But are you in favour of it or not?

I understand the reasons people want it - there are people going through insufferable pain.

My concern has always been, and still is, the safe guarding. Which is why I would have voted no.

It is a highly emotive topic though and people will decide based on what they have experienced seeing through their family and friends.



Voting breakdown

For assisted dying

Labour - 234
Conservative - 23
Lib Dems - 61
Reform - 3
Green - 4
Plaid Cymru - 3
SDLP - 1
Independent - 1

Against assisted dying

Labour - 147
Conservative - 92
Lib Dems - 11
Reform - 2
Independent - 14
DUP - 5
Alliance - 1
Traditional Unionist - 1
Ulster Unionist - 1

A big yes from me after watching my mother go downhill after my dad passed away she told me many times she was ready to go eventually she lost her mind and passed away in a home ...I know it would have been extremely hard on our family but it was what she wanted and watching your mother go that way mostly not even knowing you was there is heartbreaking