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seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:02 pm

http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/ ... inding.htm

not before 11 o'clock hearing

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:08 pm

n1ckj4y wrote:http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/list_companies_winding.htm

not before 11 o'clock hearing


Thats because PR wont pay them their gate monies :lol:

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:10 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
n1ckj4y wrote:http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/list_companies_winding.htm

not before 11 o'clock hearing


Thats because PR wont pay them their gate monies :lol:


Well done PR :ayatollah: :lol:

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:11 pm

Ross Young wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
n1ckj4y wrote:http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/list_companies_winding.htm

not before 11 o'clock hearing


Thats because PR wont pay them their gate monies :lol:


Well done PR :ayatollah: :lol:


He;s done something right at last :lol:

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:11 pm

I love PR, lets stop this demo and chant how much we love him on saturday instead. Anyone agree.

:?

ok maybe not :lol:

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:13 pm

now that was kept quiet!!!!!

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:14 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
n1ckj4y wrote:http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/list_companies_winding.htm

not before 11 o'clock hearing


Thats because PR wont pay them their gate monies :lol:



Think its Cardiff RFC and not Cardiff Blues.........

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:14 pm

It says Cardiff Rugby Club.

As in, the one who still play in town i'm guessing.

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:34 am

Sad to see Oldham RLFC on that list as well, the more rugby league clubs the better I say. Though I guess they don't stand a chance what with the football teams in that area and Salford City Reds and Warrington being round that way I guess.

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:15 am

On wikipedia it says that Cardif Rugby Football Club Ltd run two clubs including the Cardiff Blues

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:57 am

Wayne S wrote:On wikipedia it says that Cardif Rugby Football Club Ltd run two clubs including the Cardiff Blues


They are definately 2 seperate limited companies according to Companies House, the blues BTW still have their registered offices at the Arms Park.

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:58 am

Excellent news.

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:20 am

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Wayne S wrote:On wikipedia it says that Cardif Rugby Football Club Ltd run two clubs including the Cardiff Blues


They are definately 2 seperate limited companies according to Companies House, the blues BTW still have their registered offices at the Arms Park.


Sorry Wayne S on further investigation you are correct CRFC are the parent company of Cardiff Blues, so our tennants are facing a winding up order.

Out of interest their accounts have just been published for the year ending May 2009 show they made a loss of £507,503.

Their wage bill was £5,349,376 on a turnover of £7,915,341 and 2 directors were paid a total of £192,000 in wages.

In May 2009 they owed the taxman £620,287 and had total debts of £7,446,462

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:39 am

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Wayne S wrote:On wikipedia it says that Cardif Rugby Football Club Ltd run two clubs including the Cardiff Blues


They are definately 2 seperate limited companies according to Companies House, the blues BTW still have their registered offices at the Arms Park.


Sorry Wayne S on further investigation you are correct CRFC are the parent company of Cardiff Blues, so our tennants are facing a winding up order.

Out of interest their accounts have just been published for the year ending May 2009 show they made a loss of £507,503.

Their wage bill was £5,349,376 on a turnover of £7,915,341 and 2 directors were paid a total of £192,000 in wages.

In May 2009 they owed the taxman £620,287 and had total debts of £7,446,462


Add in less income now, more expenses, expect the loss for 2009/10 to be far higher...

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:43 am

But thats the other Cardiff tho, the ones who play in our stadium are called CARDIFF BLUES LTD

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:47 am

BlueCheg wrote:But thats the other Cardiff tho, the ones who play in our stadium are called CARDIFF BLUES LTD


Doesn't it affect them though if Cardiff Blues Ltd is a wholly owned subsidiary of Cardiff Rugby Football Club Ltd?

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:49 am

BlueCheg wrote:But thats the other Cardiff tho, the ones who play in our stadium are called CARDIFF BLUES LTD


Utterly wrong, it's the holding company for Blues and Cardiff RFC. From memory, most shares are held by the Athletics club.

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:45 am

Just went on the Cardiff Blues messageboard and although someone has posted the link to the Winding Up Order, no one has commented.

I did find out though that The Blues get 11% of food sales off Compass during matches and that is the same deal as us, any other events held at the stadium Compass get ALL the food profits.

http://www.rugbynetwork.net/boards/list/s170.htm

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:17 pm

If the blues go its another income stream for CCFC gone , why is that so good? :(

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:20 pm

The Rhooster wrote:If the blues go its another income stream for providing Audis for the goldfish gone , why is that so good? :(


Fixed your post.

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:21 pm

nerd wrote:
The Rhooster wrote:If the blues go its another income stream for providing Audis for the goldfish gone , why is that so good? :(


Fixed your post.


:lol:

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:27 pm

Wayne S wrote:
BlueCheg wrote:But thats the other Cardiff tho, the ones who play in our stadium are called CARDIFF BLUES LTD


Doesn't it affect them though if Cardiff Blues Ltd is a wholly owned subsidiary of Cardiff Rugby Football Club Ltd?


Correct Wayne.

It is clear from the accounts that CRFC is the holding company for Cardiff Blues. Therefore if they get wound up then so do the Blues.

TBH with a wage bill of £7m the Blues HAVE to be part of the problem as you don't pay that amount of cash to part-time Rugby players :lol:

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:39 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Wayne S wrote:
BlueCheg wrote:But thats the other Cardiff tho, the ones who play in our stadium are called CARDIFF BLUES LTD


Doesn't it affect them though if Cardiff Blues Ltd is a wholly owned subsidiary of Cardiff Rugby Football Club Ltd?


Correct Wayne.

It is clear from the accounts that CRFC is the holding company for Cardiff Blues. Therefore if they get wound up then so do the Blues.

TBH with a wage bill of £7m the Blues HAVE to be part of the problem as you don't pay that amount of cash to part-time Rugby players :lol:


Yup, the holding company principle was used in Southampton, wasn't it? Football club claiming the Stadium company was really nothing to do with them... court decided otherwise, once they'd finished laughing.

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:45 pm

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/rugbynatio ... -25953806/

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:56 pm

nerd wrote:http://www.walesonline.co.uk/rugbynation/rugby-news/2010/03/03/cardiff-rfc-listed-in-court-over-unpaid-tax-bill-91466-25953806/


CCFC had one of those before Christmas, "just a formality". We know what happpened next

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:29 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Wayne S wrote:On wikipedia it says that Cardif Rugby Football Club Ltd run two clubs including the Cardiff Blues


They are definately 2 seperate limited companies according to Companies House, the blues BTW still have their registered offices at the Arms Park.


Sorry Wayne S on further investigation you are correct CRFC are the parent company of Cardiff Blues, so our tennants are facing a winding up order.

Out of interest their accounts have just been published for the year ending May 2009 show they made a loss of £507,503.

Their wage bill was £5,349,376 on a turnover of £7,915,341 and 2 directors were paid a total of £192,000 in wages.

In May 2009 they owed the taxman £620,287 and had total debts of £7,446,462


But they are owned by the biggest property magnate in South Wales outside of the McCarthy brothers. Peter Thomas is seriously loaded. this is Cardiff RFC not the Blues who will continue to trade.

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:59 pm

nerd wrote:Yup, the holding company principle was used in Southampton, wasn't it? Football club claiming the Stadium company was really nothing to do with them... court decided otherwise, once they'd finished laughing.


What normally happens if a holding company goes bankrupt any subsiduary companies are treated as assets and either get sold or are wound up as well.

If a subsiduary company goes bankrupt it is normally treated as single entity and there is no affect on the holding company who wouldn't even be held liable for any debts.

In Southampton's case the holding company went into administration in an attempt to avoid the 10 point deduction. This was on the advice of our very own Keith Harris as SFC tried to argue it wasn't them in administration but the holding company.

Evently as you rightly point out the whole nonsense was thrown out by the courts.

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:14 pm

Cardiff RFC Ltd is the company owning Cardiff RFC and the Blues. They go down, both go down.

Thomas hasn't invested in the Blues in years - in fact, wants his money back. Which could well be from the sale of CAP, which he doesn't actually own...

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:21 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
nerd wrote:Yup, the holding company principle was used in Southampton, wasn't it? Football club claiming the Stadium company was really nothing to do with them... court decided otherwise, once they'd finished laughing.


What normally happens if a holding company goes bankrupt any subsiduary companies are treated as assets and either get sold or are wound up as well.

If a subsiduary company goes bankrupt it is normally treated as single entity and there is no affect on the holding company who wouldn't even be held liable for any debts.

In Southampton's case the holding company went into administration in an attempt to avoid the 10 point deduction. This was on the advice of our very own Keith Harris as SFC tried to argue it wasn't them in administration but the holding company.

Eventualy as you rightly point out the whole nonsense was thrown out by the courts.

Re: seems like the egg chasers are being wound up too!

Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:26 pm

they have just been gifted 6ook a personal cheque by somebody i think called Mr. Thomas. :? :? :?