Independant Supporters Association.

It's plain to see and has been obvious for years anyway that Cardiff City have a wide range of fans who have diffrent views on most subjects especially CCFC.

Moreso recently the difference has been shown with those backing the march and others opting for other choices.

It obvious going on some comments on the board that some feel the Trust arent representing them or that they feel the Trust isnt the right organisation to represnt their viewpoint, fair to say?

Then why not set up an Independant Supporters Association run by those who feel the Trust isnt the right choice for them, better to have some sort of representation than none at all?

It could be worked on in the summer in readyness for next season (if we have one!!!)

It's plain to see and has been obvious for years anyway that Cardiff City have a wide range of fans who have diffrent views on most subjects especially CCFC.

Moreso recently the difference has been shown with those backing the march and others opting for other choices.

It obvious going on some comments on the board that some feel the Trust arent representing them or that they feel the Trust isnt the right organisation to represnt their viewpoint, fair to say?

Then why not set up an Independant Supporters Association run by those who feel the Trust isnt the right choice for them, better to have some sort of representation than none at all?

It could be worked on in the summer in readyness for next season (if we have one!!!)

We would be called the ISA's (Tax free)

Then why not set up an Independant Supporters Association run by those who feel the Trust isnt the right choice for them, better to have some sort of representation than none at all?

Here's a wild idea - why not join the Trust and stand for election or vote off the people you think aren't representing you properly?

The Trust is an independant supporters' association. It was set up so that anyone can join and anyone can stand for election to its board. It is totally democratic. How are you going to better that?

How many votes does it take to vote people off??

there could also be an Indolent Supporters' Association for those that don't want to do anything. The more associations the more the club has divided us and the stronger their position. The trust would at least has a calming influence on the hotter heads out there who on their own may well overstep the line.

Then why not set up an Independant Supporters Association run by those who feel the Trust isnt the right choice for them, better to have some sort of representation than none at all?

Here's a wild idea - why not join the Trust and stand for election or vote off the people you think aren't representing you properly?

The Trust is an independant supporters' association. It was set up so that anyone can join and anyone can stand for election to its board. It is totally democratic. How are you going to better that?

Who said anything about Bettering the Trust? just representing Fans who dont feel the Trust is for them? whats wrong with choice all of a sudden?

How many votes does it take to vote people off??

More votes than are received to vote people on.

It's plain to see and has been obvious for years anyway that Cardiff City have a wide range of fans who have diffrent views on most subjects especially CCFC.

Moreso recently the difference has been shown with those backing the march and others opting for other choices.

It obvious going on some comments on the board that some feel the Trust arent representing them or that they feel the Trust isnt the right organisation to represnt their viewpoint, fair to say?

Then why not set up an Independant Supporters Association run by those who feel the Trust isnt the right choice for them, better to have some sort of representation than none at all?

It could be worked on in the summer in readyness for next season (if we have one!!!)

It is a great idea, would be difficult to set up as there are loads of legal hurdles to get over from what I remember although I suppose we could run one informally.

There are clearly very talented individuals on this board who mobalised 2,000 fans (over double the Trust Membership) for the recent march in only a week compared with the Trust's existance of 2 years.

Would have to work on the name though

Who said anything about Bettering the Trust? just representing Fans who dont feel the Trust is for them? whats wrong with choice all of a sudden?

Nothing at all.

Who said anything about Bettering the Trust? just representing Fans who dont feel the Trust is for them? whats wrong with choice all of a sudden?

Nothing at all.

Your way or no way is it?

Here's a wild idea - why not join the Trust and stand for election or vote off the people you think aren't representing you properly?

Here is a wild idea why not engage more with the views of your membership to ensure you are representing them properly?

Your way or no way is it?

Oh no, not at all. The organisation I give up my free time for is democratic.

It's plain to see and has been obvious for years anyway that Cardiff City have a wide range of fans who have diffrent views on most subjects especially CCFC.

Moreso recently the difference has been shown with those backing the march and others opting for other choices.

It obvious going on some comments on the board that some feel the Trust arent representing them or that they feel the Trust isnt the right organisation to represnt their viewpoint, fair to say?

Then why not set up an Independant Supporters Association run by those who feel the Trust isnt the right choice for them, better to have some sort of representation than none at all?

It could be worked on in the summer in readyness for next season (if we have one!!!)

im all for that mate, lets get the ball rolling.

Here is a wild idea why not engage more with the views of your membership to ensure you are representing them properly?

Here's another wild idea - instead of continually telling others what they should and shouldn't be doing, why not step forward and attempt to do something yourself?

I will be backing the 'Action Group'. Wheather they stand on the trust or set up their own Associaton.

Here is a wild idea why not engage more with the views of your membership to ensure you are representing them properly?

Here's another wild idea - instead of continually telling others what they should and shouldn't be doing, why not step forward and attempt to do something yourself?

isnt that what rhooster is suggesting ??

And I am, I WOULD JOIN

And I am, I WOULD JOIN

i would give my time to help, i think its a great idea.

Your way or no way is it?

Oh no, not at all. The organisation I give up my free time for is democratic.

that'll be the one that represents it's members but fails to consult them about the march?

Does the supporters trust give its backing to any future protests???

Here is a wild idea why not engage more with the views of your membership to ensure you are representing them properly?

Here's another wild idea - instead of continually telling others what they should and shouldn't be doing, why not step forward and attempt to do something yourself?

So what happened to being democratic then? If your organisation is truely 'democratic' it would canvas the opinion of its members and I would have every right to point that out.

PS As you know even if I wanted to stand for the Trust Board I couldn't do so until April, cheap shot in the extreme TLG

that'll be the one that represents it's members but fails to consult them about the march?

Did the Trust members need to be consulted about the march? Do you think they didn't know it was happening?

Plenty of members went on the march. Plenty didn't. No big deal either way.

TLG Why do you have to now fight Rhoosters idea ? No one will be forced to join it, its up to individuals. lets see how many join I will

As you know even if I wanted to stand for the Trust Board I couldn't do so until April, cheap shot in the extreme TLG

It's not a cheap shot at all.

Last week, I suggested that you should stand for election. You said you would consider it. Since then, you've thrown your toys out of the pram and resigned from the Trust. So, not only will you not get a chance to stand for election, but you won't even get a vote!

Instead of volunteering to get involved, all you seem to want to do is denigrate the work of others. Unfortuantely, people with that attitude are all too common.

TLG Why do you have to now fight Rhoosters idea ? No one will be forced to join it, its up to individuals. lets see how many join I will

Who's fighting Rhooster's idea? I'm certainly not. I was merely pointing out that what he is proposing is to set up another supporters' trust under a different name.

Only at Cardiff City.....

tlg-on the other thread you are complaining people are sitting back and doing nothing.
on this one you are having a go at rhooster who is suggesting doing something?
make your mind up, you either want people to do something or you dont !!!!!!
i think you are realising the trust is outdated and your days are numbered.

tlg-on the other thread you are complaining people are sitting back and doing nothing.
on this one you are having a go at rhooster who is suggesting doing something?
make your mind up, you either want people to do something or you dont !!!!!!
i think you are realising the trust is outdated and your days are numbered.

I agree come on TLG at least for once Support one of our ideas not slate everyone.

I give up. Honestly. This forum is a waste of my time. Everything I say gets misconstrued.

Having a go at the Rhooster?!?

For f**k's sake.....

It's not a cheap shot at all.

Last week, I suggested that you should stand for election. You said you would consider it. Since then, you've thrown your toys out of the pram and resigned from the Trust. So, not only will you not get a chance to stand for election, but you won't even get a vote!

Instead of volunteering to get involved, all you seem to want to do is denigrate the work of others. Unfortuantely, people with that attitude are all too common.

I note you didn't comment the rest of my post, that's partly your problem you run away from things you can't answer or don't like.

TBH I fought the Trusts cornor for many months hoping like hell that you would wake up and become effective. I have emailed suggestions and received no replies. Since I then received badgering from trust board members either on MB's or by PM's in an attempt to belittle me because I spoke out against the Trusts direction.

Yes I have resigned because I have a democratic right to do so. I can't be part of an organisation that you are leading with such a surrender mentality and to let you into a little secert there are other members of the TB who are also begining to question your attitude and the detrimental affect it is having.

So that 'common attitude' as you put it is more wide spread than you think and it should tell you more about yourself than it does about me or anyone else who has followed the same route.

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