I REALLY REALLY CANT UNDERSTAND THE STATEMENT

YESTERDAY MADE BY THE TRUST ??
We have been waiting 6 months at least for the Trust to finally get stuck in.

Why suddenly turn on PMG/Paul Guy?Mike Hall(Who I dont like anyway for the record )

Paul Guy came back on board 3 years ago, due to Ridsdale stabbing Sam in the back, Guy came on for one reason only money/land, never gave any promises, put money in to our club straight away. Then let Ridsdale run the club, said you get on with it as long I never have to get involved, then 6 months ago, Guy was called in and was stunned by how bad the Club had been run,as PR had continually told him the club was in a better state than ever.Guy wants out as fast as possible. Thats why Hall on behalf off PMG told TG this am, count us in on this deal

Ridsdale ruined Leeds/Barnsley and nearly Cardiff City, I ONLY WISH THE TRUST HAD BACKED US AGAINST RIDSDALE.

Annis, I mentioned in a previous thread that I just hope that the statement was because certain members of the trust were railroaded and misled by PR, rather than a corner of the trust knowing the truth and using and abusing their power for a personal agenda, trying to put heat on some, and taking heat off others.

If Paul Guy pulled the club now, we'd be doomed. I think the statement was ill-timed and could possibly destabilise the club more than any march.

TLG = FOOL. Fact.

Annis, I mentioned in a previous thread that I just hope that the statement was because certain members of the trust were railroaded and misled by PR, rather than a corner of the trust knowing the truth and using and abusing their power for a personal agenda, trying to put heat on some, and taking heat off others.

If Paul Guy pulled the club now, we'd be doomed. I think the statement was ill-timed and could possibly destabilise the club more than any march.

Correct Greg, if Paul Guy had ever pulled the plug we would def have been doomed, I just cant understand that statement, why NOT NAME Peter Ridsdale ?

Annis, I mentioned in a previous thread that I just hope that the statement was because certain members of the trust were railroaded and misled by PR, rather than a corner of the trust knowing the truth and using and abusing their power for a personal agenda, trying to put heat on some, and taking heat off others.

If Paul Guy pulled the club now, we'd be doomed. I think the statement was ill-timed and could possibly destabilise the club more than any march.

Correct Greg, if Paul Guy had ever pulled the plug we would def have been doomed, I just cant understand that statement, why NOT NAME Peter Ridsdale ?

There's been talk on here from respected people of clandestine meetings between PR and a prominent member of the trust. Like I said, I just hope people have foolishly fallen for PR's brainwashing, rather than abusing their position within the trust to put out an ill-timed and possibly damaging statement as they did yesterday .

I'm thinking/hoping that the deal was done awhile ago in long distance discussions and that statement will have no bearing on any matters.

YESTERDAY MADE BY THE TRUST ??
We have been waiting 6 months at least for the Trust to finally get stuck in.

Why suddenly turn on PMG/Paul Guy?Mike Hall(Who I dont like anyway for the record )

Paul Guy came back on board 3 years ago, due to Ridsdale stabbing Sam in the back, Guy came on for one reason only money/land, never gave any promises, put money in to our club straight away. Then let Ridsdale run the club, said you get on with it as long I never have to get involved, then 6 months ago, Guy was called in and was stunned by how bad the Club had been run,as PR had continually told him the club was in a better state than ever.Guy wants out as fast as possible. Thats why Hall on behalf off PMG told TG this am, count us in on this deal

Ridsdale ruined Leeds/Barnsley and nearly Cardiff City, I ONLY WISH THE TRUST HAD BACKED US AGAINST RIDSDALE.

annis

as far as im concerned an individual has abused the position of the trust with regards to releasing this statement.
after a few clandestine meetings with the chairman the mesageboards were full of we are blaming the wrong person threads culminating in this ill timed and sneaky attack on paul guy who is not here to defend himself.
the trust could have at any time sat down with paul and mike to get their own assurances as to what pmg's intentions were over the possible investment.
to me the chairman through these clandestine meetings has been able to manipulate the trust to suit his own personal wishes to deflect the blame from himself to the people who have just paid a very large sum of money to hmrc to keep the club afloat.
As far as im concerned the trust is being run as some sort of dictatorship where it seems to be my way or no way.
very sad really as thats not what i joined it for. well under the present climate i will never renew if it allows itself to be manipulated by individuals

YESTERDAY MADE BY THE TRUST ??
We have been waiting 6 months at least for the Trust to finally get stuck in.

Why suddenly turn on PMG/Paul Guy?Mike Hall(Who I dont like anyway for the record )

Paul Guy came back on board 3 years ago, due to Ridsdale stabbing Sam in the back, Guy came on for one reason only money/land, never gave any promises, put money in to our club straight away. Then let Ridsdale run the club, said you get on with it as long I never have to get involved, then 6 months ago, Guy was called in and was stunned by how bad the Club had been run,as PR had continually told him the club was in a better state than ever.Guy wants out as fast as possible. Thats why Hall on behalf off PMG told TG this am, count us in on this deal

Ridsdale ruined Leeds/Barnsley and nearly Cardiff City, I ONLY WISH THE TRUST HAD BACKED US AGAINST RIDSDALE.

annis

as far as im concerned an individual has abused the position of the trust with regards to releasing this statement.
after a few clandestine meetings with the chairman the mesageboards were full of we are blaming the wrong person threads culminating in this ill timed and sneaky attack on paul guy who is not here to defend himself.
the trust could have at any time sat down with paul and mike to get their own assurances as to what pmg's intentions were over the possible investment.
to me the chairman through these clandestine meetings has been able to manipulate the trust to suit his own personal wishes to deflect the blame from himself to the people who have just paid a very large sum of money to hmrc to keep the club afloat.
As far as im concerned the trust is being run as some sort of dictatorship where it seems to be my way or no way.
very sad really as thats not what i joined it for. well under the present climate i will never renew if it allows itself to be manipulated by individuals

Steve,
They have totally lost my respect as they may as well have Supported Peter Ridsdale these last 6 months.Then to turn on Guy well the Trust have lost it, in My Opinion.

annis

as far as im concerned an individual has abused the position of the trust with regards to releasing this statement.
after a few clandestine meetings with the chairman the mesageboards were full of we are blaming the wrong person threads culminating in this ill timed and sneaky attack on paul guy who is not here to defend himself.
the trust could have at any time sat down with paul and mike to get their own assurances as to what pmg's intentions were over the possible investment.
to me the chairman through these clandestine meetings has been able to manipulate the trust to suit his own personal wishes to deflect the blame from himself to the people who have just paid a very large sum of money to hmrc to keep the club afloat.
As far as im concerned the trust is being run as some sort of dictatorship where it seems to be my way or no way.
very sad really as thats not what i joined it for. well under the present climate i will never renew if it allows itself to be manipulated by individuals

I have no idea if the Trust has been meeting with Ridsdale in such a way, but what I do know is Ridsdale is a very dangerous man. Manipulation is a fine art to him and the way he turned that meeting around at the Muni Club in November was nothing short of astonishing.

I was very disappointed with the Trust that night; they flopped badly and Ridsdale had them eating out of his hand by the end.

I have no doubt that TLG Since 62 and the rest of the Trust Board are well meaning, intelligent and honourable people with the best interests of the club at heart, it’s just that I honestly believe they are way out of their depth when dealing with a streetwise slick operator like Peter Ridsdale. If they have been meeting with him on the quite recently then it is an absolute certainty that Ridsdale has manipulated them.

On the bright side if what we are told about the Malaysians is true, then they seem to be of the same mind set as TLG & Co so hopefully we might by accident end up with the right people on the Trust Board yet.

[quote="Tony Blue Williams"
I have no idea if the Trust has been meeting with Ridsdale in such a way, but what I do know is Ridsdale is a very dangerous man. Manipulation is a fine art to him and the way he turned that meeting around at the Muni Club in November was nothing short of astonishing.

I was very disappointed with the Trust that night; they flopped badly and Ridsdale had them eating out of his hand by the end.

I have no doubt that TLG Since 62 and the rest of the Trust Board are well meaning, intelligent and honourable people with the best interests of the club at heart, it’s just that I honestly believe they are way out of their depth when dealing with a streetwise slick operator like Peter Ridsdale. If they have been meeting with him on the quite recently then it is an absolute certainty that Ridsdale has manipulated them.

On the bright side if what we are told about the Malaysians is true, then they seem to be of the same mind set as TLG & Co so hopefully we might by accident end up with the right people on the Trust Board yet.[/quote]

Trust officials did confirm they met Ridders recently, but it was all unofficial, so nothing really discussed, no meeting notes taken as it wasn't really a meeting.

I don't doubt Ridders has attempted to spin them. It's up to them if they fall for it as a group - Keith from his posts seems savvy enough to cut through the BS pretty quickly

I'd say that it's been evident that there have been anti-PMG posts made, no doubt that's been the lead up to the statement - maybe the Ridders non meeting played a part in the timing of the statement.

annis

as far as im concerned an individual has abused the position of the trust with regards to releasing this statement.
after a few clandestine meetings with the chairman the mesageboards were full of we are blaming the wrong person threads culminating in this ill timed and sneaky attack on paul guy who is not here to defend himself.
the trust could have at any time sat down with paul and mike to get their own assurances as to what pmg's intentions were over the possible investment.
to me the chairman through these clandestine meetings has been able to manipulate the trust to suit his own personal wishes to deflect the blame from himself to the people who have just paid a very large sum of money to hmrc to keep the club afloat.
As far as im concerned the trust is being run as some sort of dictatorship where it seems to be my way or no way.
very sad really as thats not what i joined it for. well under the present climate i will never renew if it allows itself to be manipulated by individuals

I have no idea if the Trust has been meeting with Ridsdale in such a way, but what I do know is Ridsdale is a very dangerous man. Manipulation is a fine art to him and the way he turned that meeting around at the Muni Club in November was nothing short of astonishing.

I was very disappointed with the Trust that night; they flopped badly and Ridsdale had them eating out of his hand by the end.

I have no doubt that TLG Since 62 and the rest of the Trust Board are well meaning, intelligent and honourable people with the best interests of the club at heart, it’s just that I honestly believe they are way out of their depth when dealing with a streetwise slick operator like Peter Ridsdale. If they have been meeting with him on the quite recently then it is an absolute certainty that Ridsdale has manipulated them.

On the bright side if what we are told about the Malaysians is true, then they seem to be of the same mind set as TLG & Co so hopefully we might by accident end up with the right people on the Trust Board yet.

Tony yes there has def been meetings right up to the day before our March.

There was one thing I was thinking of.

Unless the Trust are 100% confident they know how the Malaysians feel about PMG, that statement could rebound. if the Malaysians, through due diligence, meetings, investigations have a very high regard for PMG, then chances are they may not necessarily have a high opinion of the trust for releasing that statement when they did.

the trust meetings I have been to there is no way they have been supporting risdale !!

no way !!

there was one not long before the egm and everyone there was totally against the man

when it comes to people being out of their depth I wouldnt put since 62 in that bracket !!!

hes got extensive knowledge of football finance


do people think hes working as a book keeper for the local fruitand veg seller ?

when it comes to people being out of their depth I wouldnt put since 62 in that bracket !!!

hes got extensive knowledge of football finance


do people think hes working as a book keeper for the local fruitand veg seller ?

I definitely wouldn't place him in that category, Sludge. He's basically the only one there that I would trust ( pardon the pun ) and respect.

YESTERDAY MADE BY THE TRUST ??
We have been waiting 6 months at least for the Trust to finally get stuck in.

Why suddenly turn on PMG/Paul Guy?Mike Hall(Who I dont like anyway for the record )

Paul Guy came back on board 3 years ago, due to Ridsdale stabbing Sam in the back, Guy came on for one reason only money/land, never gave any promises, put money in to our club straight away. Then let Ridsdale run the club, said you get on with it as long I never have to get involved, then 6 months ago, Guy was called in and was stunned by how bad the Club had been run,as PR had continually told him the club was in a better state than ever.Guy wants out as fast as possible. Thats why Hall on behalf off PMG told TG this am, count us in on this deal

Ridsdale ruined Leeds/Barnsley and nearly Cardiff City, I ONLY WISH THE TRUST HAD BACKED US AGAINST RIDSDALE.

annis

as far as im concerned an individual has abused the position of the trust with regards to releasing this statement.
after a few clandestine meetings with the chairman the mesageboards were full of we are blaming the wrong person threads culminating in this ill timed and sneaky attack on paul guy who is not here to defend himself.
the trust could have at any time sat down with paul and mike to get their own assurances as to what pmg's intentions were over the possible investment.
to me the chairman through these clandestine meetings has been able to manipulate the trust to suit his own personal wishes to deflect the blame from himself to the people who have just paid a very large sum of money to hmrc to keep the club afloat.
As far as im concerned the trust is being run as some sort of dictatorship where it seems to be my way or no way.
very sad really as thats not what i joined it for. well under the present climate i will never renew if it allows itself to be manipulated by individuals

Steve , there have been no clandestine meetings between the Trust and the Chairman at all to my knowledge .I appreciate that some posters may doubt my word on that as I seem to have upset a few recently (they have never explained why mind).

There was a meeting on the Thursday evening 2 days before the protest march that Annis organised (which I chose to attend as an individual fan as did other Trust board members on the same basis). It was attended by myself , Tim Hartley (acting Chair of the Trust due to Corky standing down) and Dave Sugarman. The club was represented by P Ridsdale , A Flitcroft and the press officer.The meeting itself was reported on the Trust website so was far from being clandestine.

The meeting had been called at PR`s request to request the Trust`s support in a new push for season ticket sales that had just been advertised on the official club website. We dismissed any idea of trying to sell another 6,000 season tickets on the back of the debacle of the first 10,000 as being entirely without chance of success and restressed our views very strongly that fans had been badly misled by PR over that issue (an opinion that PR of course did not agree with).

We agreed that the club badly needed the cash from such an additional sale of tickets , and it was apparent that the two executive directors were unable to see where else the money needed was goimg to come from.But we simply said that the scheme didn`t have a hope in hell of succeeding.

There was a (brief) discussion of Annis` march and , as you would expect , the club were very critical of it and questionned its motives and objectives. They were told by us in no uncertain terms that , while it was not a Trust organised event , the Trust strongly supported the right of any fan to protest in such a manner if they chose to do so .

I hope you can see from the above that the Trust doesn`t do clandestine meetings as some accuse us of - there are no " inner circles" or priveledges for a chosen few or anything similar nor would we as a body ever consider getting involved in such activities. Unfortunately that can lead us open to accusations of being both too soft and too critical at the same time by different critics of the Trust - we just can`t win. Fortunately , none of us spend our spare time on Trust matters for some kind of popularity contest , we do it because we are CCFC fans , because we care and because we believe it is the right way to approach things.

One other comment , by way of clarification rather than stirring up another argument. We are desribed in another thread on here as being disappointing as a Trust re the meeting with PR at the Muni Club in November with an inference that we had set up the meeting.As most people know , it was nothing of the sort , but was an event (very well) organised by Annis at which a number of Trust memebers turned up as ordinary fans and were among many who asked searching questions of the Chairman. The fact that we didn`t receive full truthful answers cannot be blamed on the Trust or anyone else who asked those questions.

Unfortunately on this board (and elsewhere to be fair) there are some posters who put 2 and 2 together and get 5 (I blame the modern education system )or who jump on popular bandwagons without thinking first. Others such as yourself come up with genuine criticisms which are far easier to take on board and take notice of so that things can be done better in the future.

Keith

P.S. For the avoidance of doubt , this is not an official Trust response , but my own personal views.

when it comes to people being out of their depth I wouldnt put since 62 in that bracket !!!

hes got extensive knowledge of football finance


do people think hes working as a book keeper for the local fruitand veg seller ?

Since 62 is a great accountant with a vast knowledge of football finances I wouldn't doubt that for a moment and that certainly wasn’t my point.

However, I believe he is out of his depth when dealing with an outright slick operator like Ridsdale.

Indeed it is naivety in the most extreme to believe being a brilliant accountant with vast knowledge of football finances is enough to get the better of Ridsdale. Those attributes are certainly helpful when dealing with PR but you need much more which includes understanding how a crooked/manipulative mind works.

For example when Since 62 questioned Ridsdale at the Muni Club he failed badly to make any kind of impression despite the fact Keith has subsequently been proved right on the level of debt at CCFC. Ridsdale went onto run rings around TLG and just about anyone else who was there, with just that little spat with ihatealiens being slightly uncomfortable.

To prove my point didn’t Ridsdale get a round of applause at the end and calls from audience to stay on!

Therefore it doesn’t take a great leap of faith to believe that in meetings with Ridsdale the Trust negotiators who presumably include Since 62 come off second best consistently and may have been brainwashed and manipulated. Certainly their judgement has been way off target when making important calls recently.

Don’t get me wrong I’m not questioning anyone’s professional ability. But what I’m saying is the trust board (which includes Since 62) is far too decent to succeed against an out and out crook like Ridsdale.

I had everyone else at a dissadvantage as I have always regarded the Yorkie scrote as an undesirable character not to be trusted under any circumstances whereas far more intelectually knowledgable and better educated people than myself were taken in by the schmooze of the smooth operator. Like I said before he is a pathological liar and believes his own lies so should have no difficulty persuading all the nice well mannered fans at the muni that night

YESTERDAY MADE BY THE TRUST ??
We have been waiting 6 months at least for the Trust to finally get stuck in.

Why suddenly turn on PMG/Paul Guy?Mike Hall(Who I dont like anyway for the record )

Paul Guy came back on board 3 years ago, due to Ridsdale stabbing Sam in the back, Guy came on for one reason only money/land, never gave any promises, put money in to our club straight away. Then let Ridsdale run the club, said you get on with it as long I never have to get involved, then 6 months ago, Guy was called in and was stunned by how bad the Club had been run,as PR had continually told him the club was in a better state than ever.Guy wants out as fast as possible. Thats why Hall on behalf off PMG told TG this am, count us in on this deal

Ridsdale ruined Leeds/Barnsley and nearly Cardiff City, I ONLY WISH THE TRUST HAD BACKED US AGAINST RIDSDALE.

annis

as far as im concerned an individual has abused the position of the trust with regards to releasing this statement.
after a few clandestine meetings with the chairman the mesageboards were full of we are blaming the wrong person threads culminating in this ill timed and sneaky attack on paul guy who is not here to defend himself.
the trust could have at any time sat down with paul and mike to get their own assurances as to what pmg's intentions were over the possible investment.
to me the chairman through these clandestine meetings has been able to manipulate the trust to suit his own personal wishes to deflect the blame from himself to the people who have just paid a very large sum of money to hmrc to keep the club afloat.
As far as im concerned the trust is being run as some sort of dictatorship where it seems to be my way or no way.
very sad really as thats not what i joined it for. well under the present climate i will never renew if it allows itself to be manipulated by individuals

Steve , there have been no clandestine meetings between the Trust and the Chairman at all to my knowledge .I appreciate that some posters may doubt my word on that as I seem to have upset a few recently (they have never explained why mind).

There was a meeting on the Thursday evening 2 days before the protest march that Annis organised (which I chose to attend as an individual fan as did other Trust board members on the same basis). It was attended by myself , Tim Hartley (acting Chair of the Trust due to Corky standing down) and Dave Sugarman. The club was represented by P Ridsdale , A Flitcroft and the press officer.The meeting itself was reported on the Trust website so was far from being clandestine.

The meeting had been called at PR`s request to request the Trust`s support in a new push for season ticket sales that had just been advertised on the official club website. We dismissed any idea of trying to sell another 6,000 season tickets on the back of the debacle of the first 10,000 as being entirely without chance of success and restressed our views very strongly that fans had been badly misled by PR over that issue (an opinion that PR of course did not agree with).

We agreed that the club badly needed the cash from such an additional sale of tickets , and it was apparent that the two executive directors were unable to see where else the money needed was goimg to come from.But we simply said that the scheme didn`t have a hope in hell of succeeding.

There was a (brief) discussion of Annis` march and , as you would expect , the club were very critical of it and questionned its motives and objectives. They were told by us in no uncertain terms that , while it was not a Trust organised event , the Trust strongly supported the right of any fan to protest in such a manner if they chose to do so .

I hope you can see from the above that the Trust doesn`t do clandestine meetings as some accuse us of - there are no " inner circles" or priveledges for a chosen few or anything similar nor would we as a body ever consider getting involved in such activities. Unfortunately that can lead us open to accusations of being both too soft and too critical at the same time by different critics of the Trust - we just can`t win. Fortunately , none of us spend our spare time on Trust matters for some kind of popularity contest , we do it because we are CCFC fans , because we care and because we believe it is the right way to approach things.

One other comment , by way of clarification rather than stirring up another argument. We are desribed in another thread on here as being disappointing as a Trust re the meeting with PR at the Muni Club in November with an inference that we had set up the meeting.As most people know , it was nothing of the sort , but was an event (very well) organised by Annis at which a number of Trust memebers turned up as ordinary fans and were among many who asked searching questions of the Chairman. The fact that we didn`t receive full truthful answers cannot be blamed on the Trust or anyone else who asked those questions.

Unfortunately on this board (and elsewhere to be fair) there are some posters who put 2 and 2 together and get 5 (I blame the modern education system )or who jump on popular bandwagons without thinking first. Others such as yourself come up with genuine criticisms which are far easier to take on board and take notice of so that things can be done better in the future.

Keith

P.S. For the avoidance of doubt , this is not an official Trust response , but my own personal views.

acknowledged keith

i am not saying the trust had clandestine meetings but it is alleged that one of your more prominent members did have a number of meetings with the chairman and regardless if it was without the trusts knowledge you must accept that sometimes people are unfortunatly guilty by association as in bubble trips etc(every cardiff fan is a hoolie).
Is it not fair for people to assume then that this individual has been fed information by the chairman and used the mantle of the trust to put it into the public domain.
Unless both organisations had spoken to each major shareholder and board member how could you possibly come to the decision that it was in fact pmg who were the one's to possibly stall the deal.
Therefore is it not feasible for us to come to that conclusion that the information was planted in that certain individuals head by the chairman on one of his meetings.
My real and only bone of contention here keith is that the statement should have encompassed the whole board and major shareholders and not singled out the people who had weeks earlier paid the 1.2 million tax bill.
all that apart lets hope a few days from now we can put this behind us and start to celebrate the re birth of our club

the trust were conned by ridsdale at the muni metting ?

the muni meeting was put together by annis

he worked hard on that and it was a well organised event

but ridsdale gave it the usual charm and many fans were treated with the usual rubbish

to suggest the trust were flipped by that night ??

incredible

One other comment , by way of clarification rather than stirring up another argument. We are desribed in another thread on here as being disappointing as a Trust re the meeting with PR at the Muni Club in November with an inference that we had set up the meeting.As most people know , it was nothing of the sort , but was an event (very well) organised by Annis at which a number of Trust memebers turned up as ordinary fans and were among many who asked searching questions of the Chairman. The fact that we didn`t receive full truthful answers cannot be blamed on the Trust or anyone else who asked those questions.

Unfortunately on this board (and elsewhere to be fair) there are some posters who put 2 and 2 together and get 5 (I blame the modern education system )or who jump on popular bandwagons without thinking first. Others such as yourself come up with genuine criticisms which are far easier to take on board and take notice of so that things can be done better in the future.

Keith

P.S. For the avoidance of doubt , this is not an official Trust response , but my own personal views.

Don't resort to making things up. If there was an inference that the Trust organised the Muni meeting it would have been put in black and white. Unlike you I am not a coward and how the hell you can then go on to make criticims of others for putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5 is breath taking arrogance.

Frankly making cowardly backhanded insults indirectly through another response so gutless.

This smacks of the first rule when you are making a complete hash of something (i.e. the trust), find yourself a scapegoat to deflect the attention onto.

You absolute coward.

[quote="Sludge"]the trust were conned by ridsdale at the muni metting ?

the muni meeting was put together by annis

he worked hard on that and it was a well organised event

but ridsdale gave it the usual charm and many fans were treated with the usual rubbish

to suggest the trust were flipped by that night ??

incredible[/quote

sludge

there were a lot of people not taken in by ridsdale that night keith being one of the most prominent.
along with keith i knew he lied about stadium completion bonus's , the tax bill, the transfer embargo and was also caught out by aliens e.mail from dato.
so i dont think its fair to criticise anybody over that night as most people only went to hopefully hear good news and put their minds at rest.
its just the nosy fuckers like me and keith who see through his bullshit]

YESTERDAY MADE BY THE TRUST ??
We have been waiting 6 months at least for the Trust to finally get stuck in.

Why suddenly turn on PMG/Paul Guy?Mike Hall(Who I dont like anyway for the record )

Paul Guy came back on board 3 years ago, due to Ridsdale stabbing Sam in the back, Guy came on for one reason only money/land, never gave any promises, put money in to our club straight away. Then let Ridsdale run the club, said you get on with it as long I never have to get involved, then 6 months ago, Guy was called in and was stunned by how bad the Club had been run,as PR had continually told him the club was in a better state than ever.Guy wants out as fast as possible. Thats why Hall on behalf off PMG told TG this am, count us in on this deal

Ridsdale ruined Leeds/Barnsley and nearly Cardiff City, I ONLY WISH THE TRUST HAD BACKED US AGAINST RIDSDALE.

said it many times ,the trust are only vocal now because things are starting to happen ,and sugarman wants to bask in the glory of it being down to the trust when we all know thats a load of bollox, GETTING ANGRY NOW,NEXT!!!!!!!!!!

the trust were conned by ridsdale at the muni metting ?

the muni meeting was put together by annis

he worked hard on that and it was a well organised event

but ridsdale gave it the usual charm and many fans were treated with the usual rubbish

to suggest the trust were flipped by that night ??

incredible

Care to tell us why not?

the trust were conned by ridsdale at the muni metting ?

the muni meeting was put together by annis

he worked hard on that and it was a well organised event

but ridsdale gave it the usual charm and many fans were treated with the usual rubbish

to suggest the trust were flipped by that night ??

incredible[/quote

sludge

there were a lot of people not taken in by ridsdale that night keith being one of the most prominent.
along with keith i knew he lied about stadium completion bonus's , the tax bill, the transfer embargo and was also caught out by aliens e.mail from dato.
so i dont think its fair to criticise anybody over that night as most people only went to hopefully hear good news and put their minds at rest.
its just the nosy fuckers like me and keith who see through his bullshit]

the critisism was that the trust were flipped by ridsdale

I think tahts wide of the mark

One other comment , by way of clarification rather than stirring up another argument. We are desribed in another thread on here as being disappointing as a Trust re the meeting with PR at the Muni Club in November with an inference that we had set up the meeting.As most people know , it was nothing of the sort , but was an event (very well) organised by Annis at which a number of Trust memebers turned up as ordinary fans and were among many who asked searching questions of the Chairman. The fact that we didn`t receive full truthful answers cannot be blamed on the Trust or anyone else who asked those questions.

Unfortunately on this board (and elsewhere to be fair) there are some posters who put 2 and 2 together and get 5 (I blame the modern education system )or who jump on popular bandwagons without thinking first. Others such as yourself come up with genuine criticisms which are far easier to take on board and take notice of so that things can be done better in the future.

Keith

P.S. For the avoidance of doubt , this is not an official Trust response , but my own personal views.

Don't resort to making things up. If there was an inference that the Trust organised the Muni meeting it would have been put in black and white. Unlike you I am not a coward and how the hell you can then go on to make criticims of others for putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5 is breath taking arrogance.

Frankly making cowardly backhanded insults indirectly through another response so gutless.

This smacks of the first rule when you are making a complete hash of something (i.e. the trust), find yourself a scapegoat to deflect the attention onto.

You absolute coward.

you suggested the trust was flipped by the riddler at that meeting ?


I think that was a backhanded swipe at the trust and rather daft as it was organised for all fans and iriddler conned people, he conned us all

the trust were conned by ridsdale at the muni metting ?

the muni meeting was put together by annis

he worked hard on that and it was a well organised event

but ridsdale gave it the usual charm and many fans were treated with the usual rubbish

to suggest the trust were flipped by that night ??

incredible[/quote

sludge

there were a lot of people not taken in by ridsdale that night keith being one of the most prominent.
along with keith i knew he lied about stadium completion bonus's , the tax bill, the transfer embargo and was also caught out by aliens e.mail from dato.
so i dont think its fair to criticise anybody over that night as most people only went to hopefully hear good news and put their minds at rest.
its just the nosy fuckers like me and keith who see through his bullshit]

But isn't if fair to ask then why wasn't he challenged more strongly on your concerns? As he got a round of applause at the end it doesn't sound like a hall full of people who weren't taken in?

Sorry if the Trust WERE NOT conned that night then I'm dammed if I can remember how they let us all know.

you suggested the trust was flipped by the riddler at that meeting ?


I think that was a backhanded swipe at the trust and rather daft as it was organised for all fans and iriddler conned people, he conned us all

Exactly and the Trust were also part of the people who were there and got conned FFS.

And before you go off on a tangent the original point was are those on the Trust Board able enough to take on someone like the Riddler. I have already explained why I believe they are not so its not backhanded swipe its a direct swipe but now in classic Sludge style you go off in all directions until the point gets lost.

the trust were conned by ridsdale at the muni metting ?

the muni meeting was put together by annis

he worked hard on that and it was a well organised event

but ridsdale gave it the usual charm and many fans were treated with the usual rubbish

to suggest the trust were flipped by that night ??

incredible

Care to tell us why not?

as steve davies has remarked many fans from all sections of our support have been flipped and conned and whatever by sam , ridsdale etc over the years

you seem to be suggesting the trust were the only people in the room that night who were given the usual fast talk

if you are saying ridsdale is a great talker and maight be a better public talker than volunteers from the trust thats fine , to suggest via this messageboard that the trust was conned by him andf then went on his side is just being daft

over the years many fans of all backgrounds have been duped

this seems just another attempt to discredit the trust

as steve davies said keith and he knew that the riddler was talking hot air that night

and you know it

the trust were conned by ridsdale at the muni metting ?

the muni meeting was put together by annis

he worked hard on that and it was a well organised event

but ridsdale gave it the usual charm and many fans were treated with the usual rubbish

to suggest the trust were flipped by that night ??

incredible[/quote

sludge

there were a lot of people not taken in by ridsdale that night keith being one of the most prominent.
along with keith i knew he lied about stadium completion bonus's , the tax bill, the transfer embargo and was also caught out by aliens e.mail from dato.
so i dont think its fair to criticise anybody over that night as most people only went to hopefully hear good news and put their minds at rest.
its just the nosy fuckers like me and keith who see through his bullshit]

But isn't if fair to ask then why wasn't he challenged more strongly on your concerns? As he got a round of applause at the end it doesn't sound like a hall full of people who weren't taken in?

Sorry if the Trust WERE NOT conned that night then I'm dammed if I can remember how they let us all know.

keith ( who is a board member ) was NOT taken in by the riddler that night

read the reply by steve above again