UPDATED “ BREAKING: BODY TAKEN TO AMBULANCE AND

From what has been said it depends on the family, if they want the body then they will try get the plane out. Its not as simple as just hooking a chain on it and pulling it up.

They need to get divers down to assess, see if they can pull it up in one peice

Will they be seeking to find out if the life boat was used ? Loads of question will need to be answered very soon

Like what

You think. How it got to the sea. I am so so angry at this whole matter. Sala young to soon and the pilot. Mistakes were made and someone will be brought to justice for it.

What on earth are you on about. It got to sea because thats where it crashed. Planes unfortunatley can malfunction. Especially in awfull weather . What about the pilot. Is he not important as hes not young. Stop making out that you know theres a person to blame and not a tragic accident

THE man who found the wreckage of the plane carrying missing Cardiff City footballer Emiliano Sala has said it is "imperative" it is raised from the seabed to provide answers to his family.
The Piper Malibu N264DB carrying Sala (28), and pilot David Ibbotson (59), was discovered off the coast of Alderney in the English Channel on Sunday evening – almost two weeks after it disappeared.

The Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) confirmed on Monday that a body is visible in the wreck, which is about 67m deep.

Marine scientist David Mearns – known as 'the Shipwreck Hunter' – volunteered to help the Sala family for free after initial search and rescue efforts by a number of agencies failed.

Mr Mearns and his team, working in conjunction with the AAIB, found the remains of the plane within two hours of starting their search.

Speaking to the Press Association, he said he had stayed in regular contact with the Sala family by text message because of the language barrier.

"We are informing them every step of the way what's going on and they are making it clear to us what their priorities are at all times," he said.

"There's a much greater chance they will get answers if (the plane is) recovered."

"I haven't spoken to them verbally, but they were devastated the last time we were here and frankly the news is worse today.
"Now their worst fears are confirmed, so I would imagine they would be just as devastated – it's going to take a long time for them to come to terms with the loss."

He said lifting the plane was now the most important task.

Mr Mearns said: "(The AAIB) will be able to rule things out or rule things in – that's the normal investigative process for any crash, so I think it's imperative that the plane is recovered, and now even more so now we know someone is down there."

He said the discovery had been so quick because the team had been looking for a static object rather than in a dynamic environment searching for survivors.

"No-one should walk away with the impression that the coastguard and also the Channel Islands air search did anything other than a professional job," he said.

Mr Mearns, who has spearheaded around 20 historic wreck discoveries including one of Britain's most famous battleships the HMS Hood, said with the right equipment it should be a relatively straightforward job to lift the plane.

He said it would need to be done in "slack water" – the point at which the tide is turning.

The operation will be conducted by the Ministry of Defence's Salvage and Marine Operations (S&MO) in partnership with the AAIB.

Mr Mearns said a salvage vessel equipped for working in the North Sea and a properly equipped dive support vessel would be able to lift the vessel within a matter of days.

David Mearns has been true to his words, he said he would find the plane. He was working for free to, what a true gent he is. He also put himself at danger, with others finding the plane.

David Mearns has been true to his words, he said he would find the plane. He was working for free to, what a true gent he is. He also put himself at danger, with others finding the plane.

Agree with you Ibby .

Will they be seeking to find out if the life boat was used ? Loads of question will need to be answered very soon

Like what

You think. How it got to the sea. I am so so angry at this whole matter. Sala young to soon and the pilot. Mistakes were made and someone will be brought to justice for it.

What on earth are you on about. It got to sea because thats where it crashed. Planes unfortunatley can malfunction. Especially in awfull weather . What about the pilot. Is he not important as hes not young. Stop making out that you know theres a person to blame and not a tragic accident

the more i read the more i think this is a tasteless wind up merchant, i know some thick blokes but this guy is on a whole new level . explaining does not seem to work with him.

Sorry if you don't like my post. I don't want to to sound as wind up merchant, when i am not. Apologise if you guys been offended. I will be more carefully, what i am saying when i am posting. I am very upset like others are , maybe it has catched up with me this whole Sala story Peace out guys good night.

What happens now?

Now that the plane has been located, there has been no official confirmation either way yet on whether the wreckage will be recovered and brought to the surface. This, however, is almost certain to happen and will likely prove key to the investigation into what actually happened.

If efforts are to be made to bring the aircraft to the surface, it could require a crane or flotation devices to raise it.

The AAIB said on Monday it is "considering the next steps, in consultation with the families of the pilot and passenger, and the police".

Of course, we do not know who has been found on the plane. We are told information around this cannot be disclosed at the moment.

In terms of a potential recovery operation, Mr Mearns has been speaking about the possibilities of this today.

He said the AAIB have contracted the vessel they are using for three days [including Sunday], and said they probably would not be able to recover the wreckage in that period of time, but that is "probably what they are now evaluating”.

“Even if they bring in a different vessel with deep sea divers we are still working in winter time and we’re getting about one to two days of fair weather a week."

Hopefully some news later on, what will happen next. Following the news on Cardiff news live feed its on there.

Latest news.....

The @aaibgovuk say they're attempting to recover a body from the wreckage of the plane #EmilianoSala and pilot Dave Ibbotson were on: We are attempting to recover the body. If we are successful, we will consider the feasibility of recovering the aircraft wreckage."

Body inside Emiliano Sala plane wreckage being removed

The mission to recover the plane and body is to start.


Tuesday 5th February 2019


The mission to recover the body inside the wreckage of Emiliano Sala's plane is under way in the English Channel.

An Air Accident Investigation Branch spokesperson said: “We are attempting to recover the body. If we are successful, we will consider the feasibility of recovering the aircraft wreckage.

“Strong tidal conditions mean we can only use the remotely operated vehicle (ROV) for limited periods each day and this will mean that progress is slow. Regardless of the results, we will not be making a further statement until the families have been informed."

The Geo Ocean III vessel is at the crash site, with winching equipment and floodlighting on board that will allow it to work at any time of day or night.

The exact timetable of the plane recovery operation will depend on weather conditions, currents and tide. You can follow live updates on this story here.

It will need to be done in "slack water" - the point at which the tide is turning.

The Air Accident Investigation Branch are not able to guarantee the mission will be a success but it is their intention to raise the wreckage in a bid to try to solve the mystery around why the plane ended up in the English Channel.

Sala's family and marine scientist David Mearns, who led the private search that found the plane, had earlier called for the AAIB to recover the plane.


The body, which was spotted by cameras on remotely operated underwater vehicles (ROVs), is being recovered before the plane using specialist equipment.


No official identification of the body will happen until it has been removed from the site and it remains unclear if it is Sala or pilot David Ibbotson.

The recovery team, which includes two AAIB investigators, staff from the Ministry of Defence's Salvage and Marine Operations team and the ship's crew have been on site since the plane was located on Sunday morning.

ROVs have continued to be deployed on Tuesday as the team assess the site and gather evidence before attempting the removal.

The single-engined Piper Malibu PA-46 aircraft disappeared on the night of Monday, January 21, on its way from Nantes to Cardiff.

Sala was due to train with Cardiff City the following day after becoming the club's record £15m signing just days before.

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Obviously not an expert on the topic, but this investigation was started and finished in a day. What were the guernsey police doing? Again not pointing fingers as this is probably a stupid question

Exactly. They found it in a day two weeks after the event. Total incompetence by the Guernsey tosser and somebody needs to be brought to account

Bloody Hell for the thousandth time the original search centered on sea level and islands. Looking for wreckage etc and hope to see them in the water. Not 68 metres to the sea bed.Come on what is hard to understand on that ?.

Having flown a Light Aircraft up to PPL Level. I think I'm a little qualified as to what may have occurred on this doomed flight.

It is impossible to say with any concrete accuracy what did occur with this Aircraft and, I do so on the assumption and belief, on the Aircrafts capabilities and, conditions both of the Areoplane and Weather on that night.

Secondly, I question under what conditions the Flight Mr Ibbotson was flying that night before any assumption should be laid,and do so presuming he was qualified to IMC conditions (Instrument Meteorlogical Conditions) given that the Plane was equipped with such Instrumentation for the safe and efficient flight under IFR Rules (Insturument Flight Rules)

If it wasn't the case, then MR Ibbotson would have been flying that plane under VFR Flight Conditions which I suspect he was, again impossible to say, as we don't know how qualified he was- to travel a plane such as this at night in the dark on a night with severe weather conditions.

He managed to get the Aircraft airborne after 3 failed attempts. That should in itself have told him to abort any departure after the second attempt and tried again when Weather conditions were more favourable but he went on...

So, we know he was cleared to a FL50 after which he was heared to ask permission to descend to FL25.

I can only surmise that at this point he was struggling to gain altitude to his Cruise altitude of FL80 or 8000ft (maximum allowed for this Type Rating of Aircraft.

His lack of lift could be caused of one of two things: Ice forming on the Wings or, the Pitot Tube (which is a Giroscopic device in the Cockpit that indicates how high you are flying, had become blocked, in which case he would have been confused as to what the aircraft should have been doing when he was inputting operations for it to climb to a higher altitude, by pulling back on the Yoke and or extending Flaps on the wings to maintain lift.

If he was not getting a response from either Flaps and or Yoke then it would have added to the confusion that he was experiencing.

So, we know he asked to descend to a lower level. I can only think that this was if he suspected that there was Ice forming and/or the Pitot blocked, he asked to fly at a lower altitude to de-ice the wings and unblock the pitot which would have resulted in better Aircraft Control thus enabling him to land at either Guernsey or Jersey, if he was indeed in a confused state as to why the plane was performing in an unusual way.

So, again I'm assuming this and is in no way fact as to why the plane crashed.

If flying at FL50 PA (pressure altitude) and he asked to descend to FL25 , then under ISA pressure altitude and, the aircraft could not function due to the severe weather experience outside, the Aircraft will show as flying at 5000 ft but it will think that it is actually at a lower altitude than what is showing in the cockpit as IA indicated altitude.

I'm thinking as the pilot asked for permission to fly lower, his situational altitude was much lower than what it actually was and before he could correct for it it was too late. With the Velocities involved and the pitch darkness outside he would not have known at what altitude he was actually at at that time.

The result was that it smashed into the water with such high rate both would not have stood any chance at all of surviving such an impact, tragically.

As I've said that's just one of a number of scenarios the AAIB will be looking at, another could be that Mr ibbotson realised he was in trouble and tried to Glide down to the water and, given the footage of the Aircraft on TV it is my guess he tried to minimise his speed so that they could have survived that impact with the water. If so. Then a very courageous feat of aviation indeed.

Like I've described, it could be a mechanical issue that brought down that plane and in due course it will all be revealed.

But I'm thinking at those kind of speeds in those kind of winds and weather, they wouldn't have stood much chance of surviving I'm afraid.

RIP Emiliano Sala and David Ibbptson

Interesting write up City, makes for an interesting read, forgive me if I am wrong though but didnt the rescue pilots and lifeboat pilots who were out within half hour state that visibility was good with a range of around 2 miles on that fateful night (pretty sure it was that without going back through all the news reports).

That could well have been the case. The weather conditions around that area change rapidly. What I do hope though is the second scenario that the pilot tried to minimise the impact to give all every chance of surviving

Having flown a Light Aircraft up to PPL Level. I think I'm a little qualified as to what may have occurred on this doomed flight.

It is impossible to say with any concrete accuracy what did occur with this Aircraft and, I do so on the assumption and belief, on the Aircrafts capabilities and, conditions both of the Areoplane and Weather on that night.

Secondly, I question under what conditions the Flight Mr Ibbotson was flying that night before any assumption should be laid,and do so presuming he was qualified to IMC conditions (Instrument Meteorlogical Conditions) given that the Plane was equipped with such Instrumentation for the safe and efficient flight under IFR Rules (Insturument Flight Rules)

If it wasn't the case, then MR Ibbotson would have been flying that plane under VFR Flight Conditions which I suspect he was, again impossible to say, as we don't know how qualified he was- to travel a plane such as this at night in the dark on a night with severe weather conditions.

He managed to get the Aircraft airborne after 3 failed attempts. That should in itself have told him to abort any departure after the second attempt and tried again when Weather conditions were more favourable but he went on...

So, we know he was cleared to a FL50 after which he was heared to ask permission to descend to FL25.

I can only surmise that at this point he was struggling to gain altitude to his Cruise altitude of FL80 or 8000ft (maximum allowed for this Type Rating of Aircraft.

His lack of lift could be caused of one of two things: Ice forming on the Wings or, the Pitot Tube (which is a Giroscopic device in the Cockpit that indicates how high you are flying, had become blocked, in which case he would have been confused as to what the aircraft should have been doing when he was inputting operations for it to climb to a higher altitude, by pulling back on the Yoke and or extending Flaps on the wings to maintain lift.

If he was not getting a response from either Flaps and or Yoke then it would have added to the confusion that he was experiencing.

So, we know he asked to descend to a lower level. I can only think that this was if he suspected that there was Ice forming and/or the Pitot blocked, he asked to fly at a lower altitude to de-ice the wings and unblock the pitot which would have resulted in better Aircraft Control thus enabling him to land at either Guernsey or Jersey, if he was indeed in a confused state as to why the plane was performing in an unusual way.

So, again I'm assuming this and is in no way fact as to why the plane crashed.

If flying at FL50 PA (pressure altitude) and he asked to descend to FL25 , then under ISA pressure altitude and, the aircraft could not function due to the severe weather experience outside, the Aircraft will show as flying at 5000 ft but it will think that it is actually at a lower altitude than what is showing in the cockpit as IA indicated altitude.

I'm thinking as the pilot asked for permission to fly lower, his situational altitude was much lower than what it actually was and before he could correct for it it was too late. With the Velocities involved and the pitch darkness outside he would not have known at what altitude he was actually at at that time.

The result was that it smashed into the water with such high rate both would not have stood any chance at all of surviving such an impact, tragically.

As I've said that's just one of a number of scenarios the AAIB will be looking at, another could be that Mr ibbotson realised he was in trouble and tried to Glide down to the water and, given the footage of the Aircraft on TV it is my guess he tried to minimise his speed so that they could have survived that impact with the water. If so. Then a very courageous feat of aviation indeed.

Like I've described, it could be a mechanical issue that brought down that plane and in due course it will all be revealed.

But I'm thinking at those kind of speeds in those kind of winds and weather, they wouldn't have stood much chance of surviving I'm afraid.

RIP Emiliano Sala and David Ibbptson

couple of questions
wouldn't he have just gone over the channel islands and been able to gauge height visually ?
and,if experiencing difficulties couldnt he have asked to land ?
the fact he did not ask to land has suggested to me from start that what happened was sudden ?

Having flown a Light Aircraft up to PPL Level. I think I'm a little qualified as to what may have occurred on this doomed flight.

It is impossible to say with any concrete accuracy what did occur with this Aircraft and, I do so on the assumption and belief, on the Aircrafts capabilities and, conditions both of the Areoplane and Weather on that night.

Secondly, I question under what conditions the Flight Mr Ibbotson was flying that night before any assumption should be laid,and do so presuming he was qualified to IMC conditions (Instrument Meteorlogical Conditions) given that the Plane was equipped with such Instrumentation for the safe and efficient flight under IFR Rules (Insturument Flight Rules)

If it wasn't the case, then MR Ibbotson would have been flying that plane under VFR Flight Conditions which I suspect he was, again impossible to say, as we don't know how qualified he was- to travel a plane such as this at night in the dark on a night with severe weather conditions.

He managed to get the Aircraft airborne after 3 failed attempts. That should in itself have told him to abort any departure after the second attempt and tried again when Weather conditions were more favourable but he went on...

So, we know he was cleared to a FL50 after which he was heared to ask permission to descend to FL25.

I can only surmise that at this point he was struggling to gain altitude to his Cruise altitude of FL80 or 8000ft (maximum allowed for this Type Rating of Aircraft.

His lack of lift could be caused of one of two things: Ice forming on the Wings or, the Pitot Tube (which is a Giroscopic device in the Cockpit that indicates how high you are flying, had become blocked, in which case he would have been confused as to what the aircraft should have been doing when he was inputting operations for it to climb to a higher altitude, by pulling back on the Yoke and or extending Flaps on the wings to maintain lift.

If he was not getting a response from either Flaps and or Yoke then it would have added to the confusion that he was experiencing.

So, we know he asked to descend to a lower level. I can only think that this was if he suspected that there was Ice forming and/or the Pitot blocked, he asked to fly at a lower altitude to de-ice the wings and unblock the pitot which would have resulted in better Aircraft Control thus enabling him to land at either Guernsey or Jersey, if he was indeed in a confused state as to why the plane was performing in an unusual way.

So, again I'm assuming this and is in no way fact as to why the plane crashed.

If flying at FL50 PA (pressure altitude) and he asked to descend to FL25 , then under ISA pressure altitude and, the aircraft could not function due to the severe weather experience outside, the Aircraft will show as flying at 5000 ft but it will think that it is actually at a lower altitude than what is showing in the cockpit as IA indicated altitude.

I'm thinking as the pilot asked for permission to fly lower, his situational altitude was much lower than what it actually was and before he could correct for it it was too late. With the Velocities involved and the pitch darkness outside he would not have known at what altitude he was actually at at that time.

The result was that it smashed into the water with such high rate both would not have stood any chance at all of surviving such an impact, tragically.

As I've said that's just one of a number of scenarios the AAIB will be looking at, another could be that Mr ibbotson realised he was in trouble and tried to Glide down to the water and, given the footage of the Aircraft on TV it is my guess he tried to minimise his speed so that they could have survived that impact with the water. If so. Then a very courageous feat of aviation indeed.

Like I've described, it could be a mechanical issue that brought down that plane and in due course it will all be revealed.

But I'm thinking at those kind of speeds in those kind of winds and weather, they wouldn't have stood much chance of surviving I'm afraid.

RIP Emiliano Sala and David Ibbptson

couple of questions
wouldn't he have just gone over the channel islands and been able to gauge height visually ?
and,if experiencing difficulties couldnt he have asked to land ?
the fact he did not ask to land has suggested to me from start that what happened was sudden ?

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/db ... cType=PA46

Look through previous history it may give you a few hints to why may have happened

Firstly, we can't say categorically what the weather conditions were like over the Channel that night.

If, as reports were to be believed and he was not qualified to carry passengers, then he could only fly under VFR. At night in pitch darkness with only cockpit instruments lighting, he wouldn't have been able to see much. I can't say 100% what his capabilities were though if he was unable to fly commercially he would not have been qualified to fly in IMR conditions (Instrument Meteorlogical Rating)

Its one thing flying in VFR and another flying in IMR both require separate examination by instructors.

Like you say in IMR you are trained to fly blind (mainly in darkness) and using instruments in ISA conditions which are imaginary standard DA (density altitude) ask above sea level. The ISA world's wide standard is 1013 hPa above this line and Weather is high pressure and, below this line weather is poor. As the flight progresses, this DA varies and a skilled pilot should be looking out and observing at all times.

Without going too much deeper if weather was bad this PA device can give a totally false picture of where the plane is vertically at any one moment and can affect it's vertical speed, giving a totally different height in the cockpit to actually how high the plane thinks it is like could happen if wings froze and or pitot blocked or DA wasn't checked further as the flight progressed.

Lits if variables to consider

Firstly, we can't say categorically what the weather conditions were like over the Channel that night.

If, as reports were to be believed and he was not qualified to carry passengers, then he could only fly under VFR. At night in pitch darkness with only cockpit instruments lighting, he wouldn't have been able to see much. I can't say 100% what his capabilities were though if he was unable to fly commercially he would not have been qualified to fly in IMR conditions (Instrument Meteorlogical Rating)

Its one thing flying in VFR and another flying in IMR both require separate examination by instructors.

Like you say in IMR you are trained to fly blind (mainly in darkness) and using instruments in ISA conditions which are imaginary standard DA (density altitude) ask above sea level. The ISA world's wide standard is 1013 hPa above this line and Weather is high pressure and, below this line weather is poor. As the flight progresses, this DA varies and a skilled pilot should be looking out and observing at all times.

Without going too much deeper if weather was bad this PA device can give a totally false picture of where the plane is vertically at any one moment and can affect it's vertical speed, giving a totally different height in the cockpit to actually how high the plane thinks it is like could happen if wings froze and or pitot blocked or DA wasn't checked further as the flight progressed.

Lits if variables to consider

Having flown a Light Aircraft up to PPL Level. I think I'm a little qualified as to what may have occurred on this doomed flight.

It is impossible to say with any concrete accuracy what did occur with this Aircraft and, I do so on the assumption and belief, on the Aircrafts capabilities and, conditions both of the Areoplane and Weather on that night.

Secondly, I question under what conditions the Flight Mr Ibbotson was flying that night before any assumption should be laid,and do so presuming he was qualified to IMC conditions (Instrument Meteorlogical Conditions) given that the Plane was equipped with such Instrumentation for the safe and efficient flight under IFR Rules (Insturument Flight Rules)

If it wasn't the case, then MR Ibbotson would have been flying that plane under VFR Flight Conditions which I suspect he was, again impossible to say, as we don't know how qualified he was- to travel a plane such as this at night in the dark on a night with severe weather conditions.

He managed to get the Aircraft airborne after 3 failed attempts. That should in itself have told him to abort any departure after the second attempt and tried again when Weather conditions were more favourable but he went on...

So, we know he was cleared to a FL50 after which he was heared to ask permission to descend to FL25.

I can only surmise that at this point he was struggling to gain altitude to his Cruise altitude of FL80 or 8000ft (maximum allowed for this Type Rating of Aircraft.

His lack of lift could be caused of one of two things: Ice forming on the Wings or, the Pitot Tube (which is a Giroscopic device in the Cockpit that indicates how high you are flying, had become blocked, in which case he would have been confused as to what the aircraft should have been doing when he was inputting operations for it to climb to a higher altitude, by pulling back on the Yoke and or extending Flaps on the wings to maintain lift.

If he was not getting a response from either Flaps and or Yoke then it would have added to the confusion that he was experiencing.

So, we know he asked to descend to a lower level. I can only think that this was if he suspected that there was Ice forming and/or the Pitot blocked, he asked to fly at a lower altitude to de-ice the wings and unblock the pitot which would have resulted in better Aircraft Control thus enabling him to land at either Guernsey or Jersey, if he was indeed in a confused state as to why the plane was performing in an unusual way.

So, again I'm assuming this and is in no way fact as to why the plane crashed.

If flying at FL50 PA (pressure altitude) and he asked to descend to FL25 , then under ISA pressure altitude and, the aircraft could not function due to the severe weather experience outside, the Aircraft will show as flying at 5000 ft but it will think that it is actually at a lower altitude than what is showing in the cockpit as IA indicated altitude.

I'm thinking as the pilot asked for permission to fly lower, his situational altitude was much lower than what it actually was and before he could correct for it it was too late. With the Velocities involved and the pitch darkness outside he would not have known at what altitude he was actually at at that time.

The result was that it smashed into the water with such high rate both would not have stood any chance at all of surviving such an impact, tragically.

As I've said that's just one of a number of scenarios the AAIB will be looking at, another could be that Mr ibbotson realised he was in trouble and tried to Glide down to the water and, given the footage of the Aircraft on TV it is my guess he tried to minimise his speed so that they could have survived that impact with the water. If so. Then a very courageous feat of aviation indeed.

Like I've described, it could be a mechanical issue that brought down that plane and in due course it will all be revealed.

But I'm thinking at those kind of speeds in those kind of winds and weather, they wouldn't have stood much chance of surviving I'm afraid.

RIP Emiliano Sala and David Ibbptson

couple of questions
wouldn't he have just gone over the channel islands and been able to gauge height visually ?
and,if experiencing difficulties couldnt he have asked to land ?
the fact he did not ask to land has suggested to me from start that what happened was sudden ?

Its a tragedy that has happened, out of the blue.

Well City that a better explanation than I overheard whilst waiting at the tills in Tesco down here in Cardigan yesterday

This is how it went and NOTHING to do with me.

McKay owed money to Naples mafia from this transfer and others so they got Mr Ibbottson (who also owed them money ) to take Sala instead of normal pilot who was told to make an excuse and whilst over channel Mr Ibbottson being a parachute pilot bailed out of the untrustworthy plane to let it crash, he then set off the flares as a signal to be picked up ( but doubtful this happened ) and he was left to drown to tie up loose ends.

I was asked to leave Tesco after berating to two gentlemen (I use that term loosely)

Well City that a better explanation than I overheard whilst waiting at the tills in Tesco down here in Cardigan yesterday

This is how it went and NOTHING to do with me.

McKay owed money to Naples mafia from this transfer and others so they got Mr Ibbottson (who also owed them money ) to take Sala instead of normal pilot who was told to make an excuse and whilst over channel Mr Ibbottson being a parachute pilot bailed out of the untrustworthy plane to let it crash, he then set off the flares as a signal to be picked up ( but doubtful this happened ) and he was left to drown to tie up loose ends.

I was asked to leave Tesco after berating to two gentlemen (I use that term loosely)

How dull are you?

UPDATED: Wednesday 6th February 2019


Progress has slowed down say the rescuers, due to terrible weather conditions.

Mission to recover body is under way

The mission to recover the body inside the wreckage of Emiliano Sala’s plane is under way in the English Channel.

An Air Accidents Investigation Branch spokesperson said: “We are attempting to recovery the body. If we are successful, we will consider the feasibility of recovering the aircraft wreckage.

“Strong tidal conditions mean we can only use the remotely operated vehicle (ROV) for limited periods each day and this will mean that progress is slow. Regardless of the results, we will not be making a further statement until the families have been informed.”

I can only surmise that at this point he was struggling to gain altitude to his Cruise altitude of FL80 or 8000ft (maximum allowed for this Type Rating of Aircraft.

Are you speaking of the restrictions in terms of the local air corridors, or planes capabilites? Max Ceiling 25,000 ft / 7,620 m for this type of aircraft, which is FL250.

Just pointing out that the aircraft is capable of flying much, much higher than 8000 ft.

As I've said that's just one of a number of scenarios the AAIB will be looking at, another could be that Mr ibbotson realised he was in trouble and tried to Glide down to the water and, given the footage of the Aircraft on TV it is my guess he tried to minimise his speed so that they could have survived that impact with the water.

Another scenario could be that the pilot felt unwell, and ditched and the sea took emiliano after he got out. Hence body in plane may be pilot and the other may never be found?

UPDATED: Wednesday 6th January 2019 11am


An Air Accidents Investigation Branch spokesperson said:

“We are attempting to recovery the body. If we are successful, we will consider the feasibility of recovering the aircraft wreckage.
“Strong tidal conditions mean we can only use the remotely operated vehicle (ROV) for limited periods each day and this will mean that progress is slow.
“Regardless of the results, we will not be making a further statement until the families have been informed.”

It is possible for them to work throughout the night, and we are talking days rather than weeks for the body to be recovered and if the plane is recovered as well.

There has been no official confirmation about the identity of the body from the AAIB and that won’t be released until some time after it is hopefully recovered.

Marine scientist David Mearns, who found the plane wreckage, has said the AAIB are unsure about the identity and there is, understandably, no room for speculation until certainty is established.

Not wishing to be insensitive here or start any speculation but do they know categorically that there's only one body in the wreckage or do they know there's at least one and further inspection may reveal the other.