NANTES REPLY AS CARDIFF SAY DEAL WAS "NULL & VOID"

[piledriver64]

This terrible event is totally unprecedented I believe.
I think it's best to leave everything in the hands of the club's lawyers (Cardiff and Nantes)
FIFA,UEFA. The French FA, the English FA and the Welsh FA.
All the above adhere to the same rules.
So once it's sorted and agreed on, only then should it become public knowledge.

I agree

Just a thought, I don't think anyone else has mentioned it, but doesn't this all hinge around insurers ?

If Sala was technically still a Nantes player then Nantes insurers would cover it, if he was ours the our insurers would cover it ?

Try claiming on your house or car insurance and you will know how slippery these companies are ! So that key fact of whether the contract had been completed is massively important and absolutely the deciding factor isn't it ? Or have I got that wildly wrong ?

[dogfound]

This terrible event is totally unprecedented I believe.
I think it's best to leave everything in the hands of the club's lawyers (Cardiff and Nantes)
FIFA,UEFA. The French FA, the English FA and the Welsh FA.
All the above adhere to the same rules.
So once it's sorted and agreed on, only then should it become public knowledge.

I agree

Just a thought, I don't think anyone else has mentioned it, but doesn't this all hinge around insurers ?

If Sala was technically still a Nantes player then Nantes insurers would cover it, if he was ours the our insurers would cover it ?

Try claiming on your house or car insurance and you will know how slippery these companies are ! So that key fact of whether the contract had been completed is massively important and absolutely the deciding factor isn't it ? Or have I got that wildly wrong ?

its been mentioned a lot, the fact that we did not have cover that is.
Nantes ?...well FIFA have him registered as a Cardiff City player so quite a lot would need to change before any insurance they have would consider it.


pretty sure if Nantes had adequate insurance and they thought he still might be their player they would have been happy to just claim against that instead of having to go through this

[nins27]

the fairest thing to do IMO would be to settle the loss 50-50 with nantes if there is no insurance to cover it.

if the guaranteed fee was say £12m, then take a hit of £6m each, so we pay them £6m.

if they reject that offer, and we're not liable, then let it go to court. of course all of this is speculation as we dont know what's in the contract etc.

im not sure 1 single Cardiff fan would be happy with this if the other way around..

im a cardiff fan id be more then happy to wait for the investigation to be over, then see whose insurance as to pay out.

[dogfound]

the fairest thing to do IMO would be to settle the loss 50-50 with nantes if there is no insurance to cover it.

if the guaranteed fee was say £12m, then take a hit of £6m each, so we pay them £6m.

if they reject that offer, and we're not liable, then let it go to court. of course all of this is speculation as we dont know what's in the contract etc.

im not sure 1 single Cardiff fan would be happy with this if the other way around..

im a cardiff fan id be more then happy to wait for the investigation to be over, then see whose insurance as to pay out.

youd be happy to lose our best player for a large fee...then get half ?

[bluebirdinlondon]

This terrible event is totally unprecedented I believe.
I think it's best to leave everything in the hands of the club's lawyers (Cardiff and Nantes)
FIFA,UEFA. The French FA, the English FA and the Welsh FA.
All the above adhere to the same rules.
So once it's sorted and agreed on, only then should it become public knowledge.

I agree

Just a thought, I don't think anyone else has mentioned it, but doesn't this all hinge around insurers ?

If Sala was technically still a Nantes player then Nantes insurers would cover it, if he was ours the our insurers would cover it ?

Try claiming on your house or car insurance and you will know how slippery these companies are ! So that key fact of whether the contract had been completed is massively important and absolutely the deciding factor isn't it ? Or have I got that wildly wrong ?

I would say it most definitely does hinge on insurers and not a case of us trying to welch. It will be more a case of finding who should be liable for the cost, and from what source - our insurers, if we had the appropriate insurance (or the clubs pockets if not) or Nantes' insurers.

Both clubs would rather the insurance was claimed from one another, because it will affect their premiums.

If our solicitors have found the deal to be "null & void" you can be sure that the insurers would have come to that conclusion eventually too (and refuse to pay out). As everybody knows they are always looking for a way to not pay out.

Sending €x,000,0000 to France and then trying to get it back after the fact if Nantes' insurance are liable would be idiotic and a recipe for disaster.

Contract law is more complex than 99% of us are ever going to comprehend (myself included). It is never a case of just pay up. Big business doesn't work like that.

Remember even when this transfer was going through those "ITK" knew nothing, the press knew nothing, and everyone else just came to their own conclusions based on a combination of all of that.

The investigation will run it's course and then Nantes will be compensated from whatever source and we will probably have to take a lot of shit from Daya and co until then. Just waiting for that French t**t to come back online asking demanding his cheque!

[Forever Blue]

the fairest thing to do IMO would be to settle the loss 50-50 with nantes if there is no insurance to cover it.

if the guaranteed fee was say £12m, then take a hit of £6m each, so we pay them £6m.

if they reject that offer, and we're not liable, then let it go to court. of course all of this is speculation as we dont know what's in the contract etc.

im not sure 1 single Cardiff fan would be happy with this if the other way around..

im a cardiff fan id be more then happy to wait for the investigation to be over, then see whose insurance as to pay out.

Sadly NO insurance, Nantes ended the day Emiliano Sala signed for Cardiff City and Cardiff City had not put the insurance in place until he was to start training on the Tuesday morning.


This is why even more this is going to be a massive case and drawn out.

[piledriver64]

the fairest thing to do IMO would be to settle the loss 50-50 with nantes if there is no insurance to cover it.

if the guaranteed fee was say £12m, then take a hit of £6m each, so we pay them £6m.

if they reject that offer, and we're not liable, then let it go to court. of course all of this is speculation as we dont know what's in the contract etc.

im not sure 1 single Cardiff fan would be happy with this if the other way around..

im a cardiff fan id be more then happy to wait for the investigation to be over, then see whose insurance as to pay out.

Sadly NO insurance, Nantes ended the day Emiliano Sala signed for Cardiff City and Cardiff City had not put the insurance in place until he was to start training on the Tuesday morning.


This is why even more this is going to be a massive case and drawn out.

But surely that's the whole point of this litigation. If Cardiff have evidence to prove that Sala hadn't actually signed then the Nantes insurers have to pay up.

We just don't know the full story yet, our club may be barking up the wrong tree but they do seem to think they have, at least, an arguable case and therefore they have to pursue that surely ? I just can't see how we can criticise the club for doing that.

[Bluebina]

the fairest thing to do IMO would be to settle the loss 50-50 with nantes if there is no insurance to cover it.

if the guaranteed fee was say £12m, then take a hit of £6m each, so we pay them £6m.

if they reject that offer, and we're not liable, then let it go to court. of course all of this is speculation as we dont know what's in the contract etc.

im not sure 1 single Cardiff fan would be happy with this if the other way around..

im a cardiff fan id be more then happy to wait for the investigation to be over, then see whose insurance as to pay out.

Sadly NO insurance, Nantes ended the day Emiliano Sala signed for Cardiff City and Cardiff City had not put the insurance in place until he was to start training on the Tuesday morning.


This is why even more this is going to be a massive case and drawn out.

Is that 100%, or is that based on what someone has said or reported, there are only a few people that will know the situations at both clubs, and there is a lot of speculation and guesswork.

Why would a club stop insurance, the cost would be pennies relative to the deal, and until they are 100% that the deal was done why would they break cover?

[pembroke allan]

the fairest thing to do IMO would be to settle the loss 50-50 with nantes if there is no insurance to cover it.

if the guaranteed fee was say £12m, then take a hit of £6m each, so we pay them £6m.

if they reject that offer, and we're not liable, then let it go to court. of course all of this is speculation as we dont know what's in the contract etc.

im not sure 1 single Cardiff fan would be happy with this if the other way around..

im a cardiff fan id be more then happy to wait for the investigation to be over, then see whose insurance as to pay out.

Sadly NO insurance, Nantes ended the day Emiliano Sala signed for Cardiff City and Cardiff City had not put the insurance in place until he was to start training on the Tuesday morning.


This is why even more this is going to be a massive case and drawn out.

Is that 100%, or is that based on what someone has said or reported, there are only a few people that will know the situations at both clubs, and there is a lot of speculation and guesswork.

Why would a club stop insurance, the cost would be pennies relative to the deal, and until they are 100% that the deal was done why would they break cover?

Player insurance is mandatory you expect there to be cross over of insurance just like car insurance it takes over the minute previous one ends. You do not stop insurance before all contracts are sighnrd and approved as we know now city's side of things was not completed? Having said that football seems tp be a law unto itself so just have to wait and see what fifa say on matter after investigated the facts , will tgen get clearer picture of whos player he was.

[2blue2handle]

the fairest thing to do IMO would be to settle the loss 50-50 with nantes if there is no insurance to cover it.

if the guaranteed fee was say £12m, then take a hit of £6m each, so we pay them £6m.

if they reject that offer, and we're not liable, then let it go to court. of course all of this is speculation as we dont know what's in the contract etc.

im not sure 1 single Cardiff fan would be happy with this if the other way around..

im a cardiff fan id be more then happy to wait for the investigation to be over, then see whose insurance as to pay out.

Sadly NO insurance, Nantes ended the day Emiliano Sala signed for Cardiff City and Cardiff City had not put the insurance in place until he was to start training on the Tuesday morning.


This is why even more this is going to be a massive case and drawn out.

If all that is 100% accurate then of course Cardiff City have to pay no doubt about it.

However if there is evidence that the deal hasn't completed then Nantes have cancelled their insurance to early then that is not really our issue is it. I suppose on the flip side Cardiff didn't need the insurance until the deal was completed anyway.

All comes down to when the deal was legally completed and then whoever is at fault pays.

[Forever Blue]

the fairest thing to do IMO would be to settle the loss 50-50 with nantes if there is no insurance to cover it.

if the guaranteed fee was say £12m, then take a hit of £6m each, so we pay them £6m.

if they reject that offer, and we're not liable, then let it go to court. of course all of this is speculation as we dont know what's in the contract etc.

im not sure 1 single Cardiff fan would be happy with this if the other way around..

im a cardiff fan id be more then happy to wait for the investigation to be over, then see whose insurance as to pay out.

Sadly NO insurance, Nantes ended the day Emiliano Sala signed for Cardiff City and Cardiff City had not put the insurance in place until he was to start training on the Tuesday morning.


This is why even more this is going to be a massive case and drawn out.

But surely that's the whole point of this litigation. If Cardiff have evidence to prove that Sala hadn't actually signed then the Nantes insurers have to pay up.

We just don't know the full story yet, our club may be barking up the wrong tree but they do seem to think they have, at least, an arguable case and therefore they have to pursue that surely ? I just can't see how we can criticise the club for doing that.

Nantes FC have publicly stated this week, they have a copy/proof that Sala was registered by FIFA as a Cardiff City player before the awful tragedy.



SKY SPORTS

Monday 25th March 2019

Nantes say they are fully compliant with FIFA rules and point to the fact that FIFA registered the International Transfer Certificate on January 21, 2019 at 5.30pm.

[nins27]

the fairest thing to do IMO would be to settle the loss 50-50 with nantes if there is no insurance to cover it.

if the guaranteed fee was say £12m, then take a hit of £6m each, so we pay them £6m.

if they reject that offer, and we're not liable, then let it go to court. of course all of this is speculation as we dont know what's in the contract etc.

im not sure 1 single Cardiff fan would be happy with this if the other way around..

im a cardiff fan id be more then happy to wait for the investigation to be over, then see whose insurance as to pay out.

Sadly NO insurance, Nantes ended the day Emiliano Sala signed for Cardiff City and Cardiff City had not put the insurance in place until he was to start training on the Tuesday morning.


This is why even more this is going to be a massive case and drawn out.

If all that is 100% accurate then of course Cardiff City have to pay no doubt about it.

However if there is evidence that the deal hasn't completed then Nantes have cancelled their insurance to early then that is not really our issue is it. I suppose on the flip side Cardiff didn't need the insurance until the deal was completed anyway.

All comes down to when the deal was legally completed and then whoever is at fault pays.

Yes sadly iv heard the same Annis, and if its true then one club is going to be left with a big hole in their pocket. Thats where our club as to make sure everything about the signing was legal, and like you say its going to take a bit off time to sort out, even if we both have insurance it well still take time to sort out im more then happy with the club waiting.

[2blue2handle]

the fairest thing to do IMO would be to settle the loss 50-50 with nantes if there is no insurance to cover it.

if the guaranteed fee was say £12m, then take a hit of £6m each, so we pay them £6m.

if they reject that offer, and we're not liable, then let it go to court. of course all of this is speculation as we dont know what's in the contract etc.

im not sure 1 single Cardiff fan would be happy with this if the other way around..

im a cardiff fan id be more then happy to wait for the investigation to be over, then see whose insurance as to pay out.

Sadly NO insurance, Nantes ended the day Emiliano Sala signed for Cardiff City and Cardiff City had not put the insurance in place until he was to start training on the Tuesday morning.


This is why even more this is going to be a massive case and drawn out.

But surely that's the whole point of this litigation. If Cardiff have evidence to prove that Sala hadn't actually signed then the Nantes insurers have to pay up.

We just don't know the full story yet, our club may be barking up the wrong tree but they do seem to think they have, at least, an arguable case and therefore they have to pursue that surely ? I just can't see how we can criticise the club for doing that.

Nantes FC have publicly stated this week, they have a copy/proof that Sala was registered by FIFA as a Cardiff City player before the awful tragedy.



SKY SPORTS

Monday 25th March 2019

Nantes say they are fully compliant with FIFA rules and point to the fact that FIFA registered the International Transfer Certificate on January 21, 2019 at 5.30pm.

They would say that to be fair and if its all above board they should have no worries and Cardiff will have to pay.

[Forever Blue]

What is being said so far by both clubs:



Cardiff are saying that the contract agreed and signed by Emiliano Sala wasn't legally binding, despite announcing Sala as a Cardiff player and continually letting it being announced for over a month that Sala was a Cardiff player until the first payment was overdue to Nantes Fc.

City are set to argue to FIFA that contractual technicalities meant Sala was not cleared to play in the Premier League.

The main alleged hitch surrounded a signing on fee that didn't comply with Premier League rules, although they also claim that certain terms of their transfer agreement with Nantes have not yet been fulfilled.


The Bluebirds have argued that despite unveiling the striker as a Cardiff player, Sala would have had to have signed a revised deal in order to play in the Premier League.


Nantes Fc are saying they complied with all the rules and all their paper was completed accurately and Fifa registered everything before the horrific deaths of Sala and the pilot.

They have copies of all the paper work registered stating Emiliano Sala was a Cardiff City player.

[fred keenor]

https://www.insurancetimes.co.uk/news/1429675.article




Good article that sums up why this will be an insurance claim between City , Nantes and the aircraft owner.

I can totally understand why this will take perhaps a 12 month at least to sort out.

[dogfound]

https://www.insurancetimes.co.uk/news/1429675.article




Good article that sums up why this will be an insurance claim between City , Nantes and the aircraft owner.

I can totally understand why this will take perhaps a 12 month at least to sort out.

reads like a 4 year old put it together from snip bits...the 16mill I would imagine being the often talked about TOTAL squad insurance we have
don't see how 2 pple can die in a plane and ones value to his employer becomes part of a pay out.its a nxt of kin claim surely..?
and what was all the waffling about uninsured drivers ?????????? it was a plane love.

[Daya]

https://www.insurancetimes.co.uk/news/1429675.article




Good article that sums up why this will be an insurance claim between City , Nantes and the aircraft owner.

I can totally understand why this will take perhaps a 12 month at least to sort out.

reads like a 4 year old put it together from snip bits...the 16mill I would imagine being the often talked about TOTAL squad insurance we have
don't see how 2 pple can die in a plane and ones value to his employer becomes part of a pay out.its a nxt of kin claim surely..?
and what was all the waffling about uninsured drivers ?????????? it was a plane love.

Nonsense article.

Cardiff total cover for whole squad 14 million on whats known as the squad blanket cover.

Sala total deal was worth 30 million.

Nothing to do with next of kin..... they claim and receive his personal life insurance and any negligence claims thereafter.

Also Nantes would not have the player insured for the total transfer fee costs as they never paid that value for him, as many have quoted car insurance, you cant but a car for a grand and insure it for a million.

But hey ho I'm not an insurance expert but some of it is common sense.

[FAWman]

the fairest thing to do IMO would be to settle the loss 50-50 with nantes if there is no insurance to cover it.

if the guaranteed fee was say £12m, then take a hit of £6m each, so we pay them £6m.

if they reject that offer, and we're not liable, then let it go to court. of course all of this is speculation as we dont know what's in the contract etc.

im not sure 1 single Cardiff fan would be happy with this if the other way around..

im a cardiff fan id be more then happy to wait for the investigation to be over, then see whose insurance as to pay out.

Sadly NO insurance, Nantes ended the day Emiliano Sala signed for Cardiff City and Cardiff City had not put the insurance in place until he was to start training on the Tuesday morning.


This is why even more this is going to be a massive case and drawn out.

But surely that's the whole point of this litigation. If Cardiff have evidence to prove that Sala hadn't actually signed then the Nantes insurers have to pay up.

We just don't know the full story yet, our club may be barking up the wrong tree but they do seem to think they have, at least, an arguable case and therefore they have to pursue that surely ? I just can't see how we can criticise the club for doing that.

Nantes FC have publicly stated this week, they have a copy/proof that Sala was registered by FIFA as a Cardiff City player before the awful tragedy.



SKY SPORTS

Monday 25th March 2019

Nantes say they are fully compliant with FIFA rules and point to the fact that FIFA registered the International Transfer Certificate on January 21, 2019 at 5.30pm.

I tried to explain this already but was trolled by a moderator.

FAW confirmed they received the transfer documents and completed International Clearance and sent it off to FIFA. Cardiff are claiming any technicality they can to get out of paying, it’s horrendous. It really is.

Not being registered with the PL makes no difference. A lot of players haven’t been able to be registered with the PL for various reasons, it just means that the player can’t play in that competition until he is, not that he isn’t a valid player for the club.

Cardiff are also suggesting there was a slight hitch with the signing on fee and the fact that Cardiff front loaded it when regulations say it should have been in equal instalments, so they would have required to draw a new agreement up to correct their error. It really is a technicality.

Its pretty sickening. Truly.

[Steve Zodiak]

the fairest thing to do IMO would be to settle the loss 50-50 with nantes if there is no insurance to cover it.

if the guaranteed fee was say £12m, then take a hit of £6m each, so we pay them £6m.

if they reject that offer, and we're not liable, then let it go to court. of course all of this is speculation as we dont know what's in the contract etc.

im not sure 1 single Cardiff fan would be happy with this if the other way around..

im a cardiff fan id be more then happy to wait for the investigation to be over, then see whose insurance as to pay out.

Sadly NO insurance, Nantes ended the day Emiliano Sala signed for Cardiff City and Cardiff City had not put the insurance in place until he was to start training on the Tuesday morning.


This is why even more this is going to be a massive case and drawn out.

But surely that's the whole point of this litigation. If Cardiff have evidence to prove that Sala hadn't actually signed then the Nantes insurers have to pay up.

We just don't know the full story yet, our club may be barking up the wrong tree but they do seem to think they have, at least, an arguable case and therefore they have to pursue that surely ? I just can't see how we can criticise the club for doing that.

Nantes FC have publicly stated this week, they have a copy/proof that Sala was registered by FIFA as a Cardiff City player before the awful tragedy.



SKY SPORTS

Monday 25th March 2019

Nantes say they are fully compliant with FIFA rules and point to the fact that FIFA registered the International Transfer Certificate on January 21, 2019 at 5.30pm.

I tried to explain this already but was trolled by a moderator.

FAW confirmed they received the transfer documents and completed International Clearance and sent it off to FIFA. Cardiff are claiming any technicality they can to get out of paying, it’s horrendous. It really is.

Not being registered with the PL makes no difference. A lot of players haven’t been able to be registered with the PL for various reasons, it just means that the player can’t play in that competition until he is, not that he isn’t a valid player for the club.

Cardiff are also suggesting there was a slight hitch with the signing on fee and the fact that Cardiff front loaded it when regulations say it should have been in equal instalments, so they would have required to draw a new agreement up to correct their error. It really is a technicality.

Its pretty sickening. Truly.

What I don't understand is if Nantes publicly state something it must be right, but anything Cardiff state is wrong, at least that is what it looks like reading this forum. I doubt if anyone on this forum knows any more than I do, and all I know is what I read in the press and on this forum, which does not really count for much. In my opinion, City will probably be liable for the money, but that is just an opinion based on what I have read. Unfortunately, I do not know the facts of what has really gone on, and therefore cannot jump to conclusions which could be the complete opposite to what will actually be the final outcome.

[JulesK]

Steve as I mentioned yesterday " who needs enemies" there's enough on here wanting to bury Cardiff without some gutter press slagging us off, and let's not forget when reading these stories that a lot of this has stemmed from one original piece written by a worthless bit of trash with a personal hatred of Neil Warnock.

[FAWman]

What I don't understand is if Nantes publicly state something it must be right, but anything Cardiff state is wrong, at least that is what it looks like reading this forum. I doubt if anyone on this forum knows any more than I do, and all I know is what I read in the press and on this forum, which does not really count for much. In my opinion, City will probably be liable for the money, but that is just an opinion based on what I have read. Unfortunately, I do not know the facts of what has really gone on, and therefore cannot jump to conclusions which could be the complete opposite to what will actually be the final outcome.

I’m not sure why you have addressed that to me. I don’t think I have said anything about either clubs statement, only what is happening and what angle Cardiff are taking to try and get out of paying. The rest was based on the FAW confirming they received the transfer documents and completed IC.

So my post was based on the above, nothing to do with what Nantes or Cardiff have said.

[dogfound]

the fairest thing to do IMO would be to settle the loss 50-50 with nantes if there is no insurance to cover it.

if the guaranteed fee was say £12m, then take a hit of £6m each, so we pay them £6m.

if they reject that offer, and we're not liable, then let it go to court. of course all of this is speculation as we dont know what's in the contract etc.

im not sure 1 single Cardiff fan would be happy with this if the other way around..

im a cardiff fan id be more then happy to wait for the investigation to be over, then see whose insurance as to pay out.

Sadly NO insurance, Nantes ended the day Emiliano Sala signed for Cardiff City and Cardiff City had not put the insurance in place until he was to start training on the Tuesday morning.


This is why even more this is going to be a massive case and drawn out.

But surely that's the whole point of this litigation. If Cardiff have evidence to prove that Sala hadn't actually signed then the Nantes insurers have to pay up.

We just don't know the full story yet, our club may be barking up the wrong tree but they do seem to think they have, at least, an arguable case and therefore they have to pursue that surely ? I just can't see how we can criticise the club for doing that.

Nantes FC have publicly stated this week, they have a copy/proof that Sala was registered by FIFA as a Cardiff City player before the awful tragedy.



SKY SPORTS

Monday 25th March 2019

Nantes say they are fully compliant with FIFA rules and point to the fact that FIFA registered the International Transfer Certificate on January 21, 2019 at 5.30pm.

I tried to explain this already but was trolled by a moderator.

FAW confirmed they received the transfer documents and completed International Clearance and sent it off to FIFA. Cardiff are claiming any technicality they can to get out of paying, it’s horrendous. It really is.

Not being registered with the PL makes no difference. A lot of players haven’t been able to be registered with the PL for various reasons, it just means that the player can’t play in that competition until he is, not that he isn’t a valid player for the club.

Cardiff are also suggesting there was a slight hitch with the signing on fee and the fact that Cardiff front loaded it when regulations say it should have been in equal instalments, so they would have required to draw a new agreement up to correct their error. It really is a technicality.

Its pretty sickening. Truly.

What I don't understand is if Nantes publicly state something it must be right, but anything Cardiff state is wrong, at least that is what it looks like reading this forum. I doubt if anyone on this forum knows any more than I do, and all I know is what I read in the press and on this forum, which does not really count for much. In my opinion, City will probably be liable for the money, but that is just an opinion based on what I have read. Unfortunately, I do not know the facts of what has really gone on, and therefore cannot jump to conclusions which could be the complete opposite to what will actually be the final outcome.

your probably right in saying nobody knows more than you do.

that has not stopped some thinking one thing and being totally consistent while others just do not want to pay full stop even if its the right thing and therefore move their arguements to suit. there was post after post about how we should not pay as international clearance had not been given { reasonable }...invariably those posters finding out that international clearance had been granted then moved their goalposts.{ not so reasonable }


we signed him . he is registered with FIFA as a Cardiff City player.and our club admitted he was our player about a thousand times.

[Forever Blue]

This terrible event is totally unprecedented I believe.
I think it's best to leave everything in the hands of the club's lawyers (Cardiff and Nantes)
FIFA,UEFA. The French FA, the English FA and the Welsh FA.
All the above adhere to the same rules.
So once it's sorted and agreed on, only then should it become public knowledge.

I agree

Just a thought, I don't think anyone else has mentioned it, but doesn't this all hinge around insurers ?

If Sala was technically still a Nantes player then Nantes insurers would cover it, if he was ours the our insurers would cover it ?

Try claiming on your house or car insurance and you will know how slippery these companies are ! So that key fact of whether the contract had been completed is massively important and absolutely the deciding factor isn't it ? Or have I got that wildly wrong ?

its been mentioned a lot, the fact that we did not have cover that is.
Nantes ?...well FIFA have him registered as a Cardiff City player so quite a lot would need to change before any insurance they have would consider it.


pretty sure if Nantes had adequate insurance and they thought he still might be their player they would have been happy to just claim against that instead of having to go through this

100% agree with you dog found.

The minute Emiliano Sala was registered with Cardiff City, Nantes FC would longer insure Sala as Sala was NO longer their player. Why would they?

Has when Cardiff City's insurance should immediately take over, but I am told City failed to do that and thats why we are fighting it.

[FAWman]

I think if you REALLY wanted, you can find technicalities in any transfer, or at least a fair chunk of them.

Seeking them out when one doesn’t go to plan however is deplorable, especially with such public parading.

[Bakedalasker]

This terrible event is totally unprecedented I believe.
I think it's best to leave everything in the hands of the club's lawyers (Cardiff and Nantes)
FIFA,UEFA. The French FA, the English FA and the Welsh FA.
All the above adhere to the same rules.
So once it's sorted and agreed on, only then should it become public knowledge.

I agree

Just a thought, I don't think anyone else has mentioned it, but doesn't this all hinge around insurers ?

If Sala was technically still a Nantes player then Nantes insurers would cover it, if he was ours the our insurers would cover it ?

Try claiming on your house or car insurance and you will know how slippery these companies are ! So that key fact of whether the contract had been completed is massively important and absolutely the deciding factor isn't it ? Or have I got that wildly wrong ?

its been mentioned a lot, the fact that we did not have cover that is.
Nantes ?...well FIFA have him registered as a Cardiff City player so quite a lot would need to change before any insurance they have would consider it.


pretty sure if Nantes had adequate insurance and they thought he still might be their player they would have been happy to just claim against that instead of having to go through this

100% agree with you dog found.

The minute Emiliano Sala was registered with Cardiff City, Nantes FC would longer insure Sala as Sala was NO longer their player. Why would they?

Has when Cardiff City's insurance should immediately take over, but I am told City failed to do that and thats why we are fighting it.

If our argument is that the amended contract was not signed then we are in a very weak position. If this goes to court they will look at the "Intent" to sign Sala. We don't have any argument there so I'm going to say a judge will ask us to pay.

As you know the Malaysians don't like going to court so I can see an Out of Court settlement happening. Most like through an intermedatary. If this happens I hope it leaves the agents involved with nothing.

[Forever Blue]

This terrible event is totally unprecedented I believe.
I think it's best to leave everything in the hands of the club's lawyers (Cardiff and Nantes)
FIFA,UEFA. The French FA, the English FA and the Welsh FA.
All the above adhere to the same rules.
So once it's sorted and agreed on, only then should it become public knowledge.

I agree

Just a thought, I don't think anyone else has mentioned it, but doesn't this all hinge around insurers ?

If Sala was technically still a Nantes player then Nantes insurers would cover it, if he was ours the our insurers would cover it ?

Try claiming on your house or car insurance and you will know how slippery these companies are ! So that key fact of whether the contract had been completed is massively important and absolutely the deciding factor isn't it ? Or have I got that wildly wrong ?

its been mentioned a lot, the fact that we did not have cover that is.
Nantes ?...well FIFA have him registered as a Cardiff City player so quite a lot would need to change before any insurance they have would consider it.


pretty sure if Nantes had adequate insurance and they thought he still might be their player they would have been happy to just claim against that instead of having to go through this

100% agree with you dog found.

The minute Emiliano Sala was registered with Cardiff City, Nantes FC would longer insure Sala as Sala was NO longer their player. Why would they?

Has when Cardiff City's insurance should immediately take over, but I am told City failed to do that and thats why we are fighting it.

If our argument is that the amended contract was not signed then we are in a very weak position. If this goes to court they will look at the "Intent" to sign Sala. We don't have any argument there so I'm going to say a judge will ask us to pay.

As you know the Malaysians don't like going to court so I can see an Out of Court settlement happening. Most like through an intermedatary. If this happens I hope it leaves the agents involved with nothing.

Ian,

Tan virtually always settles out of court at the final minute, costing our club £millions in costs as well.

[Isawgarystevensscoreagoal]

Worst case scenario here is the Courts and Fifa telling us after months of litigation to pay the money. We will be slaughtered in the media, be a laughing stock and as I've said on a few different threads our ability to attract players will be impaired and we will pay over the odds fees and wages as a result.

I trust that the club are very sure indeed of the strength of their case for not paying as we will look absolutely bloody ridiculous if we are eventually told to.

[Forever Blue]

Worst case scenario here is the Courts and Fifa telling us after months of litigation to pay the money. We will be slaughtered in the media, be a laughing stock and as I've said on a few different threads our ability to attract players will be impaired and we will pay over the odds fees and wages as a result.

I trust that the club are very sure indeed of the strength of their case for not paying as we will look absolutely bloody ridiculous if we are eventually told to.

Thats my worry, Tan seems to make everyone fight a case for their money but other than Malky who was skint, Tan has lost every case.

Even Ole Solskjaer was settled and he was paid off in full.

[2blue2handle]

Worst case scenario here is the Courts and Fifa telling us after months of litigation to pay the money. We will be slaughtered in the media, be a laughing stock and as I've said on a few different threads our ability to attract players will be impaired and we will pay over the odds fees and wages as a result.

I trust that the club are very sure indeed of the strength of their case for not paying as we will look absolutely bloody ridiculous if we are eventually told to.

Thats my worry, Tan seems to make everyone fight a case for their money but other than Malky who was skint, Tan has lost every case.

Even Ole Solskjaer was settled and he was paid off in full.

Good news is Annis he writes off so much debt its cost the club nothing in reality

[Juventus Blue]

Worst case scenario here is the Courts and Fifa telling us after months of litigation to pay the money. We will be slaughtered in the media, be a laughing stock and as I've said on a few different threads our ability to attract players will be impaired and we will pay over the odds fees and wages as a result.

I trust that the club are very sure indeed of the strength of their case for not paying as we will look absolutely bloody ridiculous if we are eventually told to.

Thats my worry, Tan seems to make everyone fight a case for their money but other than Malky who was skint, Tan has lost every case.

Even Ole Solskjaer was settled and he was paid off in full.

Good news is Annis he writes off so much debt its cost the club nothing in reality

Spot on Luke