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Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:10 am
cryptically sky sports have said it was sala's body. in the report they made no mention of telling the pilots family just ''emiliano sala's family have been notified''. says it all really. I would also doubt they have recovered the plane using the boat we saw today. it would surely require a larger vessel and take longer than a day to do it. such a sad turn of events.
Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:18 am
rossblue wrote:cryptically sky sports have said it was sala's body. in the report they made no mention of telling the pilots family just ''emiliano sala's family have been notified''. says it all really. I would also doubt they have recovered the plane using the boat we saw today. it would surely require a larger vessel and take longer than a day to do it. such a sad turn of events.
The report I read stated the Geo Ocean 3 was heading for Dorset with 1 body on board, the plane is still in he sea floor and all attempts to raise it have been halted due to the weather conditions out in the channel
https://news.sky.com/story/body-recovered-from-emiliano-sala-plane-wreckage-11630221
Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:26 am
In the statement it said, they cant recover the plane, the answer is why guys ? They is ways to recover it by putting balloon around it, and filling it up with the air to bring it up to the service. That came from David Mearns in the press interview he give to a newspaper few days back . The family will demand the plane is somehow recovered. I thought this was private search and money was paid to also recover the plane..Is someone hiding something from the family, by not recovering the plane. What will happen to it under sea will get rusty and Evidence will wash away..
Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:32 am
Ibby wrote:In the statement it said, they cant recover the plane, the answer is why guys ? They is ways to recover it by putting balloon around it, and filling it up with the air to bring it up to the service. That came from David Mearns in the press interview he give to a newspaper few days back . The family will demand the plane is somehow recovered. I thought this was private search and money was paid to also recover the plane..Is someone hiding something from the family, by not recovering the plane. What will happen to it under sea will get rusty and Evidence will wash away..
Good questions Ibby, Reading reports the vessel is capable of withstanding the current weather conditions, the AAIB only sanctioned the Geo Ocean 3 for a few days, they’ve been stating they get limited time due to the tidal range, these are all factors that need to be considered, the FPV Morven was tasked with finding the plane, guess we will have to wait until the AAIB press release tomorrow
Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:36 am
snoopystorm wrote:Ibby wrote:In the statement it said, they cant recover the plane, the answer is why guys ? They is ways to recover it by putting balloon around it, and filling it up with the air to bring it up to the service. That came from David Mearns in the press interview he give to a newspaper few days back . The family will demand the plane is somehow recovered. I thought this was private search and money was paid to also recover the plane..Is someone hiding something from the family, by not recovering the plane. What will happen to it under sea will get rusty and Evidence will wash away..
Good questions Ibby, Reading reports the vessel is capable of withstanding the current weather conditions, the AAIB only sanctioned the Geo Ocean 3 for a few days, they’ve been stating they get limited time due to the tidal range, these are all factors that need to be considered, the FPV Morven was tasked with finding the plane, guess we will have to wait until the AAIB press release tomorrow
David Mearns said clearly that there are few ways getting the plane out. I want this to happen because the family can't rest until they see this out out of the sea. It's there and resting, and i been told the weather is so bad in that area tonight, it had to be called off. If we get told it not getting looked at again, we much all do this tweet David and get the government to listen.
Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:46 am
Nuclearblue wrote:Could it be the pilot because they are returning to the UK. If Sala I would of thought he would be returned to France. And maybe what I said is a load of bollocks
Would put it that way, but yes it is.
Body or bodies go to the Coroner in whose jurisdiction if or they are found.
They can be released after inquest to whoever claims them.
Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:00 am
I got told this now,the vessel is capable certainly but from an operational point of view it's a different story. Having recovered the body, and in the absence of any prospect of further successful activities, transporting the deceased to a coroner as timely and respectfully as possible makes sense. That side of things I agree with. What happens next is a different story, and I wouldn't agree with a decision which left unanswered questions for both families and only a sense of closure for one. David i belive said it was vital to get the plane and body out that what needs to happen. Don't let them call the search off that easily.
Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:06 am
Charlie Harper wrote:I have a tweet from Christian Martin which states the Geo Ocean 3 is returning to Portsmouth with the body or bodies and maybe carrying debris from the plane.
Sounds ominous
Who is Christian Martin , and what is his twitter details cheers.
Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:14 am
Ibby wrote:Charlie Harper wrote:I have a tweet from Christian Martin which states the Geo Ocean 3 is returning to Portsmouth with the body or bodies and maybe carrying debris from the plane.
Sounds ominous
Who is Christian Martin , and what is his twitter details cheers.
@askomartin (it's in Spanish but has a translation link underneath)
No mention of a 'potential' second body recovery that I could see in any of his Tweets around an hour ago but (unlikely) I may have missed something somewhere...
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:18 am
Sven wrote:Ibby wrote:Charlie Harper wrote:I have a tweet from Christian Martin which states the Geo Ocean 3 is returning to Portsmouth with the body or bodies and maybe carrying debris from the plane.
Sounds ominous
Who is Christian Martin , and what is his twitter details cheers.
@askomartin (it's in Spanish but has a translation link underneath)
No mention of a 'potential' second body recovery that I could see in any of his Tweets around an hour ago but (unlikely) I may have missed something somewhere...
Cheers mate It looks like he been following the story.. If the plane is not recovered any time sooner, can we all do something and get tweeting David Mearns. to put pressure as these guys claiming we cant get the plane out very odd indeed by them
Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:30 am
Ibby wrote:Sven wrote:Ibby wrote:Charlie Harper wrote:I have a tweet from Christian Martin which states the Geo Ocean 3 is returning to Portsmouth with the body or bodies and maybe carrying debris from the plane.
Sounds ominous
Who is Christian Martin , and what is his twitter details cheers.
@askomartin (it's in Spanish but has a translation link underneath)
No mention of a 'potential' second body recovery that I could see in any of his Tweets around an hour ago but (unlikely) I may have missed something somewhere...
Cheers mate It looks like he been following the story.. If the plane is not recovered any time sooner, can we all do something and get tweeting David Mearns. to put pressure as these guys claiming we cant get the plane out very odd indeed by them
Yes, he appears to be
I think Dave Mearns is already doing his bit (subtly and not so subtly) to put pressure on the authorities (AAIB in the main) to get the wreckage raised
No word as yet on the second body or if indeed there is one there (not sure what Charlie Harper has read) but a statement will be made in the morning
With regard to the body that has been recovered, the fact Emiliano Sala's family have reportedly been informed of proceedings does not mean Dave Ibbotson's family have not been given the same information
A formal ID will need to be made and that could take some time, so any public release of information will only occur after that; although it is highly likely the family/families would be informed prior to that occurring
Vey sad times for all concerned right now
Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:33 am
All I read was a tweet from Christian Martin and I put it out as it was tweeted.
Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:14 am
dogfound wrote:BlueMoon1974 wrote:One word Amaterous
?
I had a look and found this...
"Amaterous are a newly formed newcore/metal 5 member band based in London"To be fair, their sound is not too bad, if you like that type of music but not too sure what they have to do with the mission to recover the plane Emiliano Sala was travelling in?
I'm sure BlueMoon1974 will have an answer though!
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:44 am
Body inside plane wreckage has been recovered
A spokesman for the UK Air Accident Investigation Branch has tonight said:
Following extensive visual examination of the accident site using the remotely operated vehicle (ROV), it was decided to attempt recovery operations.
In challenging conditions, the AAIB and its specialist contractors successfully recovered the body previously seen amidst the wreckage. The operation was carried out in as dignified a way as possible and the families were kept informed of progress.
Unfortunately, attempts to recover the aircraft wreckage were unsuccessful before poor weather conditions forced us to return the ROV to the ship. The weather forecast is poor for the foreseeable future and so the difficult decision was taken to bring the overall operation to a close. The body is currently being taken to Portland to be passed into the care of the Dorset Coroner.
Although it was not possible to recover the aircraft, the extensive video record captured by the ROV is expected to provide valuable evidence for our safety investigation.
We expect our next update to be an interim report, which we intend to publish within one month of the accident occurring.
Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:38 am
Need to give these folk a break here, if they say that they cannot raise the plane there must be a good reason, perhaps it will break apart? Surely it can't be down to funding!!
Think these and the original search/rescue teams have given their all in this.
Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:21 am
Sven wrote:dogfound wrote:BlueMoon1974 wrote:One word Amaterous
?
I had a look and found this...
"Amaterous are a newly formed newcore/metal 5 member band based in London"To be fair, their sound is not too bad, if you like that type of music but not too sure what they have to do with the mission to recover the plane Emiliano Sala was travelling in?
I'm sure BlueMoon1974 will have an answer though!
I think he either meant non profeshonal or it was a reference to Mozart
Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:14 am
JulesK wrote:Need to give these folk a break here, if they say that they cannot raise the plane there must be a good reason, perhaps it will break apart? Surely it can't be down to funding!!
Think these and the original search/rescue teams have given their all in this.
From what I understand the AAIB commissioned the Geo Ocean3 for a few days to work for them, David Mearns had already commissioned FPV Movren for the search from the crowd funding, the AAIB were called into the area once the Movren found the plane.
The recovery has been suspended at this current time due to the bad weather out in the channel and to return the body already recovered. The AAIB have already extended the use of Geo Ocean 3 to recover the body and get all the video’s needed for their investigation. The Movren returned home and docked, to let the Geo Ocean 3 and the AAIB take over, as their job was primarily the search of the area.
We need this current weather system to pass before any decision is made to recover the plane, also we don’t know how far into the plane the ROV got to recover the body or if a dive went down and we don’t know what else they saw down there
Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:22 am
Thought I read somewhere last week within a day of them finding it that someone said there could be a body under the plane as well as the one in it,which could be someone who possibly got out but then dragged back down with the current,hopefully both will be found or is this the end of the search or have they just stopped due to weather.
Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:46 am
d20 wrote:Thought I read somewhere last week within a day of them finding it that someone said there could be a body under the plane as well as the one in it,which could be someone who possibly got out but then dragged back down with the current,hopefully both will be found or is this the end of the search or have they just stopped due to weather.
At the moment it’s been suspended due to the poor weather due to hit
Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:37 pm
City Slicker wrote:Sven wrote:dogfound wrote:BlueMoon1974 wrote:One word Amaterous
?
I had a look and found this...
"Amaterous are a newly formed newcore/metal 5 member band based in London"To be fair, their sound is not too bad, if you like that type of music but not too sure what they have to do with the mission to recover the plane Emiliano Sala was travelling in?
I'm sure BlueMoon1974 will have an answer though!
I think he either meant non profeshonal or it was a reference to Mozart
Opps
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:01 pm
Sky News
The body "successfully recovered" from the wreckage of the plane that was carrying footballer Emiliano Sala and pilot David Ibbotson has landed in Dorset.
Remotely operated vehicles in "challenging conditions" were used to pull the body out of the water "in as dignified a way as possible", according to the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB).
Images show an ambulance bringing the body from a ship into land at Dorset this morning, and it has now been brought onto land.
A stretcher carrying a body is removed from the Geo Ocean III specialist search vessel docked in Portland, Dorset
Image:
A stretcher carrying a body is removed from the Geo Ocean III specialist search vessel docked in Portland, Dorset
It has not been confirmed whether the body is that of Sala or Mr Ibbotson.
Dorset Police released a statement which said: "This morning, Thursday 7 February 2019, the body was brought to Portland Port, Dorset, as this is the nearest part of the British mainland to where the plane was located.
"The arrival of the body into Dorset has been reported to the Coroner for Dorset. The Coroner will investigate the circumstances of this death supported by Dorset Police. A post-mortem examination will be held in due course."
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:45 pm
Body will now be identified
Following the recovery of the body inside the wreckage, formal identification will now take place, with the coroner and police set to carry out that duty.
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:49 pm
Emiliano’s Facebook page has changed to remembering, which would suggest that potentially it was his body found.
Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:02 pm
RIP Emiliano Sala. You've got immortality in CF11.
Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:08 pm
North Wales Blue wrote:Emiliano’s Facebook page has changed to remembering, which would suggest that potentially it was his body found.
There is a
'Remembering Emiliano Sala' banner appearing at the head of his page but RIP messages are at least 4 days old that I can see (on what looks to be his official page)
An announcement will be made in de course and we will know who they found for sure
Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:11 pm
North Wales Blue wrote:Emiliano’s Facebook page has changed to remembering, which would suggest that potentially it was his body found.
Sorry but it was changed 3 days ago.
Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:42 pm
Ibby wrote:North Wales Blue wrote:Emiliano’s Facebook page has changed to remembering, which would suggest that potentially it was his body found.
Sorry but it was changed 3 days ago.
But maybe it was changed,after discovery and relevant video from rov?
Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:20 pm
bluesince62 wrote:Ibby wrote:North Wales Blue wrote:Emiliano’s Facebook page has changed to remembering, which would suggest that potentially it was his body found.
Sorry but it was changed 3 days ago.
But maybe it was changed,after discovery and relevant video from rov?
Sorry but facebook done this, without any facts. Why has Sala twitter NOT been closed or remembering on there. Facebook done this incase he is found dead which, looks like he is and is missing if you ask me, with one body still not found..
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:07 pm
BREAKING: EMILIANO SALA
Link
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=204929
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:18 pm
Hope they recover the Aircraft for the Pilots Family's sake. They must be in bits wondering about him.
From the AAIB Point if view. If there was no "Blackbox" in the Plane, then there it will be 'circumstantial.'
They should continue to search for the pilot though I'd be surprised that they will and will be left to perish at the Bed of the Channel.
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