' POLL ' How would you vote on eu today?

Here's a question for all the remain people are you happy that the Turkish will be allowed visa free travel also that they are likely to be given full member status ?

Farage warned us about the Romanians didn't he but they did not arrive in their thousands.

Have you checked the figures?!?! He was SPOT ON - there are now estimated 500,000 Romanians in Britain!

Fekin racist ukip

Here's a question for all the remain people are you happy that the Turkish will be allowed visa free travel also that they are likely to be given full member status ?

Farage warned us about the Romanians didn't he but they did not arrive in their thousands.

Have you checked the figures?!?! He was SPOT ON - there are now estimated 500,000 Romanians in Britain!

Fekin racist ukip

In what way is that racist? It's the hard facts.

I say close the boarders and send them all back,they are a drain on our economy

Vote out

Here's a question for all the remain people are you happy that the Turkish will be allowed visa free travel also that they are likely to be given full member status ?

Farage warned us about the Romanians didn't he but they did not arrive in their thousands.

Have you checked the figures?!?! He was SPOT ON - there are now estimated 500,000 Romanians in Britain!

Fekin racist ukip

In what way is that racist? It's the hard facts.

Where did you check the figures?

The Daily Telegraph Online (never shy of shouting about migration and foreigners) quoted the combined Romanian and Bulgarian migrant worker figure as 219,000 last November. There must have been one hell of a spike since then if Farage is 'SPOT ON'.

Bluegog is confusing me in this thread, has he got some kind of mental health problem? He's arguing to stay in the EU but then also arguing for us to leave the EU by leaving the UK? Strange.

Bluebird since 1908 seems to have some sort of mental deficiency if he can't understand what Bluegog means. FOOL with low IQ and EQ alert!! In in in!! but wales out of UK

Here's a question for all the remain people are you happy that the Turkish will be allowed visa free travel also that they are likely to be given full member status ?

Farage warned us about the Romanians didn't he but they did not arrive in their thousands.

Have you checked the figures?!?! He was SPOT ON - there are now estimated 500,000 Romanians in Britain!

Fekin racist ukip

In what way is that racist? It's the hard facts.

The muppet thinks its racist to tell the truth

Here's a question for all the remain people are you happy that the Turkish will be allowed visa free travel also that they are likely to be given full member status ?

Farage warned us about the Romanians didn't he but they did not arrive in their thousands.

Have you checked the figures?!?! He was SPOT ON - there are now estimated 500,000 Romanians in Britain!

Fekin racist ukip

In what way is that racist? It's the hard facts.

The muppet thinks its racist to tell the truth

The muppet thinks it's the truth lol.

Actual migration rules are unlikely to change in case of Brexit. The UK will want to retain access to the EU market, which comes with the condition of accepting free movement of labour, just like Switzerland and Norway had to accept free movement of labour despite never joining the EU.

Bluegog is confusing me in this thread, has he got some kind of mental health problem? He's arguing to stay in the EU but then also arguing for us to leave the EU by leaving the UK? Strange.

I think luke and blue gog are the same person

Here's a question for all the remain people are you happy that the Turkish will be allowed visa free travel also that they are likely to be given full member status ?

Farage warned us about the Romanians didn't he but they did not arrive in their thousands.

Have you checked the figures?!?! He was SPOT ON - there are now estimated 500,000 Romanians in Britain!

Fekin racist ukip

How is ukip racist? Do your homework lefty, ukip have a cross membership of all different colour and faith s ,including well educated immigrants ukip ain't saying no immigration at all but saying controlled imagination is the way forward

Actual migration rules are unlikely to change in case of Brexit. The UK will want to retain access to the EU market, which comes with the condition of accepting free movement of labour, just like Switzerland and Norway had to accept free movement of labour despite never joining the EU.

I disagree with you there they can have who they like also they can deport criminal s which we can't

Blimey. A 10 pager already. There are more multi's on here than a maths exam.

Bluegog is confusing me in this thread, has he got some kind of mental health problem? He's arguing to stay in the EU but then also arguing for us to leave the EU by leaving the UK? Strange.

I think luke and blue gog are the same person

Sorry to disappoint you, but there are two of us.

Actual migration rules are unlikely to change in case of Brexit. The UK will want to retain access to the EU market, which comes with the condition of accepting free movement of labour, just like Switzerland and Norway had to accept free movement of labour despite never joining the EU.

I disagree with you there they can have who they like also they can deport criminal s which we can't

There does and against. A lot and think you may be one think the. Austrailan points system is a good way. Even though they have more migrants than us. Nothing holds with the leave campaign. One dangerous bunch of dreamers. It be like handing me the keys to number 10 I'd be clueless what to so with all the power. And that's what would happen if leave wins and any of those dreamers become pm. You think it's soon and gloom now. Wait until we really in the pooper.

Actual migration rules are unlikely to change in case of Brexit. The UK will want to retain access to the EU market, which comes with the condition of accepting free movement of labour, just like Switzerland and Norway had to accept free movement of labour despite never joining the EU.

I disagree with you there they can have who they like also they can deport criminal s which we can't

Norway is outside the EU but part of the Schengen agreement (border-free area) and has higher per-capita immigration than the UK. It is also part of the European Economic Area and has almost full access to the EU internal market (same as Iceland and Lichtenstein). In return for that it has to implement all the EU laws relating to the internal market (about 75% of all EU legislation) including the working time directive. Norway has less control over its borders than the UK. It has all the same EU obligations without the vote or veto to go with it. You are a bit closer the truth with Switzerland but they have signed up to the Free Movement of Persons Agreement that gives Romanians and Bulgarians full access to the Swiss labour market!

So they can't 'have who they like'.

Its unlikely the Aussies have more migrants than us,and their system of immigration is tailored to their economy, which is far more successful than ours per head (40% of the GDP, with one fifth of the population).

Sounds terrible that....

Speaking of dangerous dreamers, you forgot to mention Angela Merkel, who neglected to tell the German people of the plan to ship 1 million+ foreigners into Germany, and is now responsible for thousands of Muslims and sub-saharan Africans trying to break into Europe, quite successfully it would seem.

Its unlikely the Aussies have more migrants than us,and their system of immigration is tailored to their economy, which is far more successful than ours per head (40% of the GDP, with one fifth of the population).

Sounds terrible that....

Speaking of dangerous dreamers, you forgot to mention Angela Merkel, who neglected to tell the German people of the plan to ship 1 million+ foreigners into Germany, and is now responsible for thousands of Muslims and sub-saharan Africans trying to break into Europe, quite successfully it would seem.

Per head they have much higher immigration. Maybe not in numbers. But like for like they higher.

Actual migration rules are unlikely to change in case of Brexit. The UK will want to retain access to the EU market, which comes with the condition of accepting free movement of labour, just like Switzerland and Norway had to accept free movement of labour despite never joining the EU.

I disagree with you there they can have who they like also they can deport criminal s which we can't

Norway is outside the EU but part of the Schengen agreement (border-free area) and has higher per-capita immigration than the UK. It is also part of the European Economic Area and has almost full access to the EU internal market (same as Iceland and Lichtenstein). In return for that it has to implement all the EU laws relating to the internal market (about 75% of all EU legislation) including the working time directive. Norway has less control over its borders than the UK. It has all the same EU obligations without the vote or veto to go with it. You are a bit closer the truth with Switzerland but they have signed up to the Free Movement of Persons Agreement that gives Romanians and Bulgarians full access to the Swiss labour market!

So they can't 'have who they like'.

Great post Jon. To many of the likes of wez think immigration will be sorted overnight. It won't because we have to obey by the eu rules that we no longer have a say on. It laughable they willing to vote out on one agenda that won't change anyway. Other than we be in a weaker position to argue it.

Don't forget the uk has only voted against proposed eu laws 3% of the time.

Its unlikely the Aussies have more migrants than us,and their system of immigration is tailored to their economy, which is far more successful than ours per head (40% of the GDP, with one fifth of the population).

Sounds terrible that....

Speaking of dangerous dreamers, you forgot to mention Angela Merkel, who neglected to tell the German people of the plan to ship 1 million+ foreigners into Germany, and is now responsible for thousands of Muslims and sub-saharan Africans trying to break into Europe, quite successfully it would seem.

Australia is a different case though. Besides around a quarter of their population were born elsewhere,and that ratio is only likely to grow.

I thought these graphics were quite interesting. Also shows how influential the red tops can be!

Bluegog is confusing me in this thread, has he got some kind of mental health problem? He's arguing to stay in the EU but then also arguing for us to leave the EU by leaving the UK? Strange.

I think luke and blue gog are the same person

Sorry to disappoint you, but there are two of us.

A split personality

Actual migration rules are unlikely to change in case of Brexit. The UK will want to retain access to the EU market, which comes with the condition of accepting free movement of labour, just like Switzerland and Norway had to accept free movement of labour despite never joining the EU.

I disagree with you there they can have who they like also they can deport criminal s which we can't

Norway is outside the EU but part of the Schengen agreement (border-free area) and has higher per-capita immigration than the UK. It is also part of the European Economic Area and has almost full access to the EU internal market (same as Iceland and Lichtenstein). In return for that it has to implement all the EU laws relating to the internal market (about 75% of all EU legislation) including the working time directive. Norway has less control over its borders than the UK. It has all the same EU obligations without the vote or veto to go with it. You are a bit closer the truth with Switzerland but they have signed up to the Free Movement of Persons Agreement that gives Romanians and Bulgarians full access to the Swiss labour market!

So they can't 'have who they like'.

Great post Jon. To many of the likes of wez think immigration will be sorted overnight. It won't because we have to obey by the eu rules that we no longer have a say on. It laughable they willing to vote out on one agenda that won't change anyway. Other than we be in a weaker position to argue it.

Don't forget the uk has only voted against proposed eu laws 3% of the time.

I don't think immigration will be sorted over night as labour and conservative s have messed up the whole system ,it will need a overhaul of our benefits system too no immigrant should get any benefits that will stop a lot if people wanting to come here ,British tax payer should come first

Bluegog is confusing me in this thread, has he got some kind of mental health problem? He's arguing to stay in the EU but then also arguing for us to leave the EU by leaving the UK? Strange.

I think luke and blue gog are the same person

No Saddles is Cool Hand Luke. He was banned for being a c**t but just uses his other username now.

BlueGog please answer this, why are you extolling the virtues of the EU but then also advocating we leave it by leaving the UK? You know we would forfeit out membership of the EU in the event of independence and that it would be extremely difficult for us to re enter.

I don't think immigration will be sorted over night as labour and conservative s have messed up the whole system ,it will need a overhaul of our benefits system too no immigrant should get any benefits that will stop a lot if people wanting to come here ,British tax payer should come first

Isn't that what the Government are already doing? Immigrants can't just come to the UK and start claiming benefits. Besides, the large majority of them come to work, pay taxes, and spend money again in the UK.

Bluegog is confusing me in this thread, has he got some kind of mental health problem? He's arguing to stay in the EU but then also arguing for us to leave the EU by leaving the UK? Strange.

I think luke and blue gog are the same person

No Saddles is Cool Hand Luke. He was banned for being a c**t but just uses his other username now.

BlueGog please answer this, why are you extolling the virtues of the EU but then also advocating we leave it by leaving the UK? You know we would forfeit out membership of the EU in the event of independence and that it would be extremely difficult for us to re enter.

By leaving the uk both funding avenue s would be lost

Bluegog is confusing me in this thread, has he got some kind of mental health problem? He's arguing to stay in the EU but then also arguing for us to leave the EU by leaving the UK? Strange.

I think luke and blue gog are the same person

No Saddles is Cool Hand Luke. He was banned for being a c**t but just uses his other username now.

BlueGog please answer this, why are you extolling the virtues of the EU but then also advocating we leave it by leaving the UK? You know we would forfeit out membership of the EU in the event of independence and that it would be extremely difficult for us to re enter.

Wrong on all counts again whilst clearly showing your very low level of IQ and EQ. Whoever you say was banned must have been a right c@@t to rise above your c@@t levels as you would have been banned ages ago. Go have your horlicks now and let the more sensible amongst us have a grown up debate

Bluegog is confusing me in this thread, has he got some kind of mental health problem? He's arguing to stay in the EU but then also arguing for us to leave the EU by leaving the UK? Strange.

I think luke and blue gog are the same person

No Saddles is Cool Hand Luke. He was banned for being a c**t but just uses his other username now.

BlueGog please answer this, why are you extolling the virtues of the EU but then also advocating we leave it by leaving the UK? You know we would forfeit out membership of the EU in the event of independence and that it would be extremely difficult for us to re enter.

Wrong on all counts again whilst clearly showing your very low level of IQ and EQ. Whoever you say was banned must have been a right c@@t to rise above your c@@t levels as you would have been banned ages ago. Go have your horlicks now and let the more sensible amongst us have a grown up debate

Saddles

Bluegog is confusing me in this thread, has he got some kind of mental health problem? He's arguing to stay in the EU but then also arguing for us to leave the EU by leaving the UK? Strange.

I think luke and blue gog are the same person

No Saddles is Cool Hand Luke. He was banned for being a c**t but just uses his other username now.

BlueGog please answer this, why are you extolling the virtues of the EU but then also advocating we leave it by leaving the UK? You know we would forfeit out membership of the EU in the event of independence and that it would be extremely difficult for us to re enter.

Leaving the UK is a long term aim, Wales isn't ready to take that step yet, our economy is not strong enough, our infrastructure needs developing and obviously our electorate don't want it at the moment. I want to say in the EU because Wales benefits more from Europe than we do from England. Do you really believe Westminster will invest that kind of money in Wales? They don't even match fund the EU money as they're meant to!

You might think this is a contradiction, but I make my decision by what's right for Wales, nothing else. I'm Welsh, England doesn't interest me in the least. As I've stated in other posts leaving the EU might benefit parts of England but that simply isn't true of Wales.

Bluegog is confusing me in this thread, has he got some kind of mental health problem? He's arguing to stay in the EU but then also arguing for us to leave the EU by leaving the UK? Strange.

I think luke and blue gog are the same person

No Saddles is Cool Hand Luke. He was banned for being a c**t but just uses his other username now.

BlueGog please answer this, why are you extolling the virtues of the EU but then also advocating we leave it by leaving the UK? You know we would forfeit out membership of the EU in the event of independence and that it would be extremely difficult for us to re enter.

Leaving the UK is a long term aim, Wales isn't ready to take that step yet, our economy is not strong enough, our infrastructure needs developing and obviously our electorate don't want it at the moment. I want to say in the EU because Wales benefits more from Europe than we do from England. Do you really believe Westminster will invest that kind of money in Wales? They don't even match fund the EU money as they're meant to!

You might think this is a contradiction, but I make my decision by what's right for Wales, nothing else. I'm Welsh, England doesn't interest me in the least. As I've stated in other posts leaving the EU might benefit parts of England but that simply isn't true of Wales.

100% agree. The most sensible unblinkered poster within this whole debate.