Labour Majority - General Election Live

Glad to see Johnathan Ashworth lost his seat, he really boils Ma piss. Interesting it was from a Muslim Vote backed candidate.

We're fcked! Won't blame Westminster for Wales problems now but blame previous 14yrs of Conservative rule that's caused problems ..

Surprise Surprise, the Welsh sheep vote for Labour again expecting change. Expect to live in poverty for the foreseeable future with nothing changing.

Surprise Surprise, the Welsh sheep vote for Labour again expecting change. Expect to live in poverty for the foreseeable future with nothing changing.

Funny part is the two areas with lowest turnout is merthyr and heads of valleys both Labour heartlands ... we have 5yrs of Labour as no way will their majority ever be overturned no matter how many labour MPs objects to their policies..... one thing mentioned today was hs2 money for Wales? Labour wanted cons to do what they promised and give Wales money... Labour's spokesman on subject says won't promise Wales anything from hs2....

Chancellor of the exchequer Reeves: 'There's not a huge amount of money'

Chancellor of the exchequer Reeves: 'There's not a huge amount of money'

Already started the excuses...... why not simply say need time to sort out the mess cons left? Already hinted Wales wont be getting any extra money and why should they give it when know no matter what the valleys sheep will keep them in power in Wales ...

God help us.

The great British public have done it again. It's like turkeys voting for Christmas.

Has nobody seen what Labour has been doing in Wales when given free reign?

We can look forward now to higher taxes, tax on petrol, tax on your pension, inheritance tax when you die, 20mph speed limit everywhere, road charging by the mile, more cycle lanes, thirty different bins for your household waste, immigrants welcomed with open arms, everything woke and the next time somebody catches a cold the country will be in lockdown for years.

And the country has just given them carte blanche to vrack on with all of it.

On the flip side, have you not seen what the conservatives have done to the entire UK in the last 14 years?

Major downturn in economy, more job seekers than ever (at least in the tech field) and thousands of food banks now required due to them.

I won't disagree with you as they have certainly been far from brilliant but in the course of their stewardship thay have had to deal with Brexit, Covid, mass immigration and the war in Ukraine to mention just a few things.

Not sure how Labour would have dealt with all of those things but if we take a look at how Labour has been in government in Wales these last 20 years and the complete shitshow they have presided over I can't see that they would have done a better job.

One thing is for sure - if Labour had their way we'd still be in lockdown over Covid and with numbers rising again this summer I'm sure there are plans being prepared already.

Make no mistake, this was an anti Tory vote as opposed to an endorsement of Labour . You add the Reform vote ( who were nearly second biggest share of vote in Wales ) across the UK back to the Tory one and they probably have more votes , it’s at least a hung parliament.

If you chuck the Reform votes back in with Conservative, there would still be more Labour Seats in Wales.

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A bit different UK Wide.

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Within three months Starmer will make a statement similar to this:

Due to the mess left to us by the conservatives we have no choice but to raise taxes in these or this area...

It is coming and it will hurt everyone, Labour would not answer the question on tax pre-election and Rachel Reeves first statement after being elected included the phrase "there is no much money"

Suckered in, manifesto will go out the window. Bookmark this.

Within three months Starmer will make a statement similar to this:

Due to the mess left to us by the conservatives we have no choice but to raise taxes in these or this area...

It is coming and it will hurt everyone, Labour would not answer the question on tax pre-election and Rachel Reeves first statement after being elected included the phrase "there is no much money"

Suckered in, manifesto will go out the window. Bookmark this.

Well welsh Labour as done nothing but blame Conservatives at Westminster for our problems here... so can expect Labour party to blame Conservatives for leaving UK in a mess so they'll say we need to make hard decisions to get uk back on a sound footing?

I remember reading the Blair autobiography and him saying he regretted not going quicker and harder in the first 100 days. Blair, Mandy and Campbell are still lurking in the background, so I expect full-bore early doors.

This isn't Blair 97 though. Blair set out his vision loud and clear in their manifesto and ran on it, the country voted for it, so he had a mandate. Starmer kept his cards close to his chest and evaded every question and the Tories' uber self-destruction did the rest.

The top labour brass are shrewd operators and know they haven't got carte blanche to do what they want as the country only said they didn't want the tories, labour will need to buy respect and trust, so I am not expecting anything major for normal folk for a year or two, then it will be by stealth.

Then you have the Reform 4, they are all experienced communicators, and they will hold labour to account more than the tories!!! They are coming for labour next.

So in brief nothing will change except we'll have little corruption as there will be so many newbies they haven't worked out how to screw the system, although Mandy will show them how to ride the gravey train at a price (your soul)

Did labour win or conservatives loose .
Never quite get it mind look at reform
% of votes to % of seats

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Just looking at the number of votes, reform got about 4m and Lib Dem’s got 3,5m , yet Lib Dem’s got 71 seats and reform got 4!

Just looking at the number of votes, reform got about 4m and Lib Dem’s got 3,5m , yet Lib Dem’s got 71 seats and reform got 4!

Apparently it's the biggest disparency in voting thats ever been! Proportional representation if used would have tota changed hhe outcome and labour wouldn't have had a majority ... but big parties won't change voting system wonder why?

Just looking at the number of votes, reform got about 4m and Lib Dem’s got 3,5m , yet Lib Dem’s got 71 seats and reform got 4!

Apparently it's the biggest disparency in voting thats ever been! Proportional representation if used would have tota changed hhe outcome and labour wouldn't have had a majority ... but big parties won't change voting system wonder why?

Turkeys and Christmas

FPTP has many flaws and injustices, but it has served us well. It gives you a firm government allowed to make decisions. In a PR system of the endless coalition and back room deals the party leaders are even more disconnected from reality, as long as you are popular in your party hierarchy you are made.

Truss, Reese Mogg, Mordaunt, Chaps and Ashford would all still be MPs in PR, but their constituents told them they needed to go.

The PR advocates always point to the last election and say if we had PR we would have x amount of seats, would voting intentions be the same if you had more choice? Then what about local issues if you need 50K votes to get a seat then Plaid would barely get 4 whilst the Green get 18, but they both have 4 MPs as Plaid are very local, like the SNP and our Muslim independents in Lancashire.

Wales and the EU demonstrated to this ex-liberal that PR is even more flawed than FPTP.

And if the melodramatic left thinks Farage is worth frothing at the mouth for, wait until Tommy Robinson (whatever his name is) is an MP....He'd get 50K nationally easy........

FPTP has many flaws and injustices, but it has served us well. It gives you a firm government allowed to make decisions. In a PR system of the endless coalition and back room deals the party leaders are even more disconnected from reality, as long as you are popular in your party hierarchy you are made.

Truss, Reese Mogg, Mordaunt, Chaps and Ashford would all still be MPs in PR, but their constituents told them they needed to go.

The PR advocates always point to the last election and say if we had PR we would have x amount of seats, would voting intentions be the same if you had more choice? Then what about local issues if you need 50K votes to get a seat then Plaid would barely get 4 whilst the Green get 18, but they both have 4 MPs as Plaid are very local, like the SNP and our Muslim independents in Lancashire.

Wales and the EU demonstrated to this ex-liberal that PR is even more flawed than FPTP.

And if the melodramatic left thinks Farage is worth frothing at the mouth for, wait until Tommy Robinson (whatever his name is) is an MP....He'd get 50K nationally easy........

I don't know how you can defend yesterday's results, Given the disparity in votes verses seats gained. It's just not accurately reflective of the people's desire.

It doesn't matter who PR throws up, all that matters is whether the system more accurately reflects the opinion of the people.

Just looking at the number of votes, reform got about 4m and Lib Dem’s got 3,5m , yet Lib Dem’s got 71 seats and reform got 4!

Apparently it's the biggest disparency in voting thats ever been! Proportional representation if used would have tota changed hhe outcome and labour wouldn't have had a majority ... but big parties won't change voting system wonder why?

Alternative Vote referendum, also known as the UK-wide referendum on the Parliamentary voting system was held on Thursday 5 May 2011.
69% voted no.No need of a second referendum as per brexit no second referendum

FPTP has many flaws and injustices, but it has served us well. It gives you a firm government allowed to make decisions. In a PR system of the endless coalition and back room deals the party leaders are even more disconnected from reality, as long as you are popular in your party hierarchy you are made.

Truss, Reese Mogg, Mordaunt, Chaps and Ashford would all still be MPs in PR, but their constituents told them they needed to go.

The PR advocates always point to the last election and say if we had PR we would have x amount of seats, would voting intentions be the same if you had more choice? Then what about local issues if you need 50K votes to get a seat then Plaid would barely get 4 whilst the Green get 18, but they both have 4 MPs as Plaid are very local, like the SNP and our Muslim independents in Lancashire.

Wales and the EU demonstrated to this ex-liberal that PR is even more flawed than FPTP.

And if the melodramatic left thinks Farage is worth frothing at the mouth for, wait until Tommy Robinson (whatever his name is) is an MP....He'd get 50K nationally easy........

I don't know how you can defend yesterday's results, Given the disparity in votes verses seats gained. It's just not accurately reflective of the people's desire.

It doesn't matter who PR throws up, all that matters is whether the system more accurately reflects the opinion of the people.

Because life is about winning.

The election process is fair, the rules are there for everyone before you start.You have one vote and you are expressing your opinion on who you want to represent you. If the majority feel like you then the person you voted for is elected.
Those who come second, third or tenth should not get into some sort of plate competition, its done, you lost, next.

Reform came a close second in many seats, so they need to double down and get those few extra thousand votes in the next election.
Politics needs different voices but Farage disappoints me a bit calling for the Very British and proud voting system to be overhauled because it doesn't suit him. Where was he in 2011 when we had a referendum on Voting reform, is he asking for another vote in case people have changed their minds?

Be very interested if reform can continue the success as the next big election is the Wales Government in 2026 and they can seriously upset the apple cart.

FPTP has many flaws and injustices, but it has served us well. It gives you a firm government allowed to make decisions. In a PR system of the endless coalition and back room deals the party leaders are even more disconnected from reality, as long as you are popular in your party hierarchy you are made.

Truss, Reese Mogg, Mordaunt, Chaps and Ashford would all still be MPs in PR, but their constituents told them they needed to go.

The PR advocates always point to the last election and say if we had PR we would have x amount of seats, would voting intentions be the same if you had more choice? Then what about local issues if you need 50K votes to get a seat then Plaid would barely get 4 whilst the Green get 18, but they both have 4 MPs as Plaid are very local, like the SNP and our Muslim independents in Lancashire.

Wales and the EU demonstrated to this ex-liberal that PR is even more flawed than FPTP.

And if the melodramatic left thinks Farage is worth frothing at the mouth for, wait until Tommy Robinson (whatever his name is) is an MP....He'd get 50K nationally easy........

I don't know how you can defend yesterday's results, Given the disparity in votes verses seats gained. It's just not accurately reflective of the people's desire.

It doesn't matter who PR throws up, all that matters is whether the system more accurately reflects the opinion of the people.

Because life is about winning.

The election process is fair, the rules are there for everyone before you start.You have one vote and you are expressing your opinion on who you want to represent you. If the majority feel like you then the person you voted for is elected.
Those who come second, third or tenth should not get into some sort of plate competition, its done, you lost, next.

Reform came a close second in many seats, so they need to double down and get those few extra thousand votes in the next election.
Politics needs different voices but Farage disappoints me a bit calling for the Very British and proud voting system to be overhauled because it doesn't suit him. Where was he in 2011 when we had a referendum on Voting reform, is he asking for another vote in case people have changed their minds?

Be very interested if reform can continue the success as the next big election is the Wales Government in 2026 and they can seriously upset the apple cart.

The present voting system suits the Government and its opposing force very well, works both ways.

I've got to admit the Reform party are very close to breaking this present stand off andthe next 5 years we could be seeing an avalanche against the status quo. Although only 5 seats the Reform are a couple of percent away to becoming a big force if not a power base. Its a very fragile majoeirty Labour have and I believe they are one mistake away from losing it.

FPTP has many flaws and injustices, but it has served us well. It gives you a firm government allowed to make decisions. In a PR system of the endless coalition and back room deals the party leaders are even more disconnected from reality, as long as you are popular in your party hierarchy you are made.

Truss, Reese Mogg, Mordaunt, Chaps and Ashford would all still be MPs in PR, but their constituents told them they needed to go.

The PR advocates always point to the last election and say if we had PR we would have x amount of seats, would voting intentions be the same if you had more choice? Then what about local issues if you need 50K votes to get a seat then Plaid would barely get 4 whilst the Green get 18, but they both have 4 MPs as Plaid are very local, like the SNP and our Muslim independents in Lancashire.

Wales and the EU demonstrated to this ex-liberal that PR is even more flawed than FPTP.

And if the melodramatic left thinks Farage is worth frothing at the mouth for, wait until Tommy Robinson (whatever his name is) is an MP....He'd get 50K nationally easy........

I don't know how you can defend yesterday's results, Given the disparity in votes verses seats gained. It's just not accurately reflective of the people's desire.

It doesn't matter who PR throws up, all that matters is whether the system more accurately reflects the opinion of the people.

Because life is about winning.

The election process is fair, the rules are there for everyone before you start.You have one vote and you are expressing your opinion on who you want to represent you. If the majority feel like you then the person you voted for is elected.
Those who come second, third or tenth should not get into some sort of plate competition, its done, you lost, next.

Reform came a close second in many seats, so they need to double down and get those few extra thousand votes in the next election.
Politics needs different voices but Farage disappoints me a bit calling for the Very British and proud voting system to be overhauled because it doesn't suit him. Where was he in 2011 when we had a referendum on Voting reform, is he asking for another vote in case people have changed their minds?

Be very interested if reform can continue the success as the next big election is the Wales Government in 2026 and they can seriously upset the apple cart.

"Life is about winning" is an empty platitude means nothing, as winning represents different things to different people.

Democracy is meant to reflect the desire of the people and as clearly demonstrated yesterday, our current system doesn't do that efficiently.

As For Farage in 2011, i'm pretty sure he'd have been in favour of PR, but he wasn't as prominent in politics then. The referendum then wasn't strictly on PR but some watered down version of it. That was a long time ago and people's voting patterns change, our political systems should reflect that.
It's all about what the people want.

Just looking at the number of votes, reform got about 4m and Lib Dem’s got 3,5m , yet Lib Dem’s got 71 seats and reform got 4!

Apparently it's the biggest disparency in voting thats ever been! Proportional representation if used would have tota changed hhe outcome and labour wouldn't have had a majority ... but big parties won't change voting system wonder why?

Alternative Vote referendum, also known as the UK-wide referendum on the Parliamentary voting system was held on Thursday 5 May 2011.
69% voted no.No need of a second referendum as per brexit no second referendum

I don't think anyone was ever arguing against another Brexit referendum EVER, just not straight after just having one
With Brexit we need time for people to judge if Brexit was seen as a sucess by the people. One vote in a generation seems fair.

As for another PR referendum, voting patterns have changed a lot since 2011 and it was quite a long time ago.

If everyones voting intention remained the same we'd have had a left coalition yesterday headed by Starmer but with Ed Davey and the two Green leaders

Tories 23.7%
Reform 14.3
DUP 1%
total 39%

Labours 33.7% is not enough, so
Libs 12.2% .....45.9% is still not enough, so i have to call on the
Greens 6.8%
52.7% Boom, bingo

But what do Davey and the two green want in return.......mega net zero, or open borders another EU referendum who knows

Off to the SNP 2.5% or Plaids 07% or the independent Muslims 0.7%

And this is why I prefer FPTP. Starmer has a wide but very shallow majority, he needs to keep it sensible and not be beholden to factions even his own. He doesn't have that burden, its all on him.
Remember the DUP right royally shagging Thersa May over the Brexit deals because she needed to do dirty little deals to get the votes.

The fact Corbyn got more votes and 200 less seats ?.

Reform get 4 million votes half of what Labour party got with a pathetic MP count, speaks volumes.


SNP will return in years .

Labour do not have a mandate with only 34% of the vote .

Another protest vote alongside Brexit and Boris.

It will end in tears .

I still dont know what they stand for except them saying everything is broken?

The fact Corbyn got more votes and 200 less seats ?.

Reform get 4 million votes half of what Labour party got with a pathetic MP count, speaks volumes.


SNP will return in years .

Labour do not have a mandate with only 34% of the vote .

Another protest vote alongside Brexit and Boris.

It will end in tears .

I still dont know what they stand for except them saying everything is broken?

And give them time will start to do a welsh Labour and blame mess left by a Conservative gvmnt for their failings to get things right ... don't think they had a manifesto not sure any party did it was a very tame nondescript campaign by all of them.

Some people in here seems to have a Time Machine or can see into the future. Let’s see what Starmer and Labour do and judge them on that, not what you think they may do.

Some people in here seems to have a Time Machine or can see into the future. Let’s see what Starmer and Labour do and judge them on that, not what you think they may do.

Completely agree.

We have a board of not only Uefa A license holders but also veteran politicians it seems.

At the end of the day, everyone has an opinion.

The fact Corbyn got more votes and 200 less seats ?.

Reform get 4 million votes half of what Labour party got with a pathetic MP count, speaks volumes.


SNP will return in years .

Labour do not have a mandate with only 34% of the vote .

Another protest vote alongside Brexit and Boris.

It will end in tears .

I still dont know what they stand for except them saying everything is broken?

And give them time will start to do a welsh Labour and blame mess left by a Conservative gvmnt for their failings to get things right ... don't think they had a manifesto not sure any party did it was a very tame nondescript campaign by all of them.

Just now from starmer!
Said would'nt take long..

UK election latest: Starmer hits out at 'mess' left by Tories - and warns 'tough decisions' to come

Some people in here seems to have a Time Machine or can see into the future. Let’s see what Starmer and Labour do and judge them on that, not what you think they may do.

Even more so lets see if they deliver on their promises.

Its the British Energy company that will provide us cheaper energy that I will look out for.

Some people in here seems to have a Time Machine or can see into the future. Let’s see what Starmer and Labour do and judge them on that, not what you think they may do.

Even more so lets see if they deliver on their promises.

Its the British Energy company that will provide us cheaper energy that I will look out for.

Think you're asking for a miracle there regardless of what party is in power.