Vincent Tan Clearly Has Vision

I took the wife yesterday and it was her first visit to our stadium . She previously had visited Ninian park many years ago and she couldn't believe how we had moved on and was impressed by the stadium and the facilities .

Nail, head. But not in the way you're thinking. What you've said is nothing to be proud of.[/

Not sure what your implying m8

Excellent post. No one would have wanted to clour change but VT came in and is quietly going about getting us into the Premier League. If we take off our blue tinted glasses and read the post it makes sense of what our Malaysian owners are putting in place.

Whilst the transfer window is open we will see how much they are willingto invest in all our dream.

This is a business opportunity / vanity project for a rich man.

The business opportunity is the potential premier league franchise, a slice of one the most glamorous internationally recognised brands in the world. This also now drifts into the vanity side, like owning a car racing team or a top race horse.

He could have tried to buy into the elite but united or Liverpool cost as much as he has, so he wants to build a united/liverpool.

The "problem" with united or Liverpool is probably half the crowd do not come from their respective postal codes. This only works at these two institutions, Chelsea and Citeh often have tickets for sale, so you need to keep the locals onside otherwise you end up like Blackburn.

Why we needed to go red and change the badge i don't know, but the gamble was only based on "guaranteed" success. For what should be our biggest season in my lifetime it all seem a bit subdued as if its someone else I have adopted.

Just because we don't have much history it doesn't mean we needed to change the whole look of the club... history is made through success. I don't care if there hasn't been as many highs as the lows, our club is Cardiff City the Bluebirds, and they're slowly taking that away from us for selfish reasons. The only thing they have done is put shame on the club and they've made us look like "sell outs".

I'll never forgive them, even if we get promoted. Football is not all about success and I wish some people would see that.

thats all very interesting so how did you feel when Sam tried the same thing?

I've supported Cardiff since 2005 so I don't really have an opinion on it, but from what I know he saw sense in the end.

Just because we don't have much history it doesn't mean we needed to change the whole look of the club... history is made through success. I don't care if there hasn't been as many highs as the lows, our club is Cardiff City the Bluebirds, and they're slowly taking that away from us for selfish reasons. The only thing they have done is put shame on the club and they've made us look like "sell outs".

I'll never forgive them, even if we get promoted. Football is not all about success and I wish some people would see that.

There's three whole divisions of clubs and even some Premier clubs who would jump at the chance of the investment and potential success we have with the Malaysians. Most have history and badges that they are proud of but would accept a rebranding that give some financial stability and potential success.

I've spoken to alot of people from other clubs all over the country and very very few have been willing to give anything up just for a bit of financial backing and possible success.

That's very strange as I've not found one who wouldn't snap there hands off!

There's three whole divisions of clubs and even some Premier clubs who would jump at the chance of the investment and potential success we have with the Malaysians. Most have history and badges that they are proud of but would accept a rebranding that give some financial stability and potential success.

I've spoken to alot of people from other clubs all over the country and very very few have been willing to give anything up just for a bit of financial backing and possible success.

same here... the unisono reply was "you dont do that to a football club...no matter how successful you are afterwards"

There's three whole divisions of clubs and even some Premier clubs who would jump at the chance of the investment and potential success we have with the Malaysians. Most have history and badges that they are proud of but would accept a rebranding that give some financial stability and potential success.
I've followed the club since 1966 and in all that time we've been the 'Sleeping Giant of Wales'....perhaps now we have finally got our wake up call.

The true fact about the Malaysian take over is they did things a couple of seasons ago to
piss a few off. Long before the rebrand. Long before any hint of a rebrand existed.
These people have done nothing but undermine Vincent Tan at every opportunity since.
"Gone in the summer" "Not backing the manager"... all this shite has been spouted for
over two years. All the success we are having this season is being TOTALLY credited to
Malky Mackay, yet I've not seen Malky dipping into his pockets to buy ONE player, or to
pay off ONE creditor.

Forget the rebrand for now.

Will somebody tell me what Vincent Tan was doing wrong LAST season????? Because as
far as the EVIDENCE shows... he was paying off creditors, restructuring, getting new staff
and players in and building the foundations for a concerted push for promotion this year!

I have come to the conclusion that as Tan does not owe Langstone a penny, he should not
give them a thing. That way, he can concentrate his finances on players and the Club and
also it will stop that 'debt' from shooting up significantly and him getting slagged off yet
again!. Let the courts decide. Promotion for Cardiff City is far more important than Langstone

Whether its good history or bad history it was our history and I was proud of it, it should have been cherished and built on not thrown away, f#ck is vision and plans for the Far East a football club is primarily for the community it is in , South Wales not south east Asia.

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There's three whole divisions of clubs and even some Premier clubs who would jump at the chance of the investment and potential success we have with the Malaysians. Most have history and badges that they are proud of but would accept a rebranding that give some financial stability and potential success.

I've spoken to alot of people from other clubs all over the country and very very few have been willing to give anything up just for a bit of financial backing and possible success.

same here... the unisono reply was "you dont do that to a football club...no matter how successful you are afterwards"

if you asked fans you will always get same answer! try asking different question, like liquidation same colours or investment different colours? be more diverse answer

Seems to make sense and if we were not a football club it exactly how a struggling business would be acquired and turned around. The problem is we are a football club with a loyal following who can't just sit back and watch our club be taken away from us.

The rebrand is focused on attracting Malaysian interest and is so disrespectful to us. What if we walked into Malaysia took over their capital team, changed the badge, changed the colour and then stuck Wales on their shirts. Id expect any 'customers' of this local business to walk away in protest.

Unfortunately what we see now may be just the tip of the iceberg because if Tan can really get what he wants it will be something like -

A football club called Malaysia FC playing in the Premier league
A football club made up entirely of Malaysian players
A club playing in red with a Malaysian style dragon on their shirts.
A club playing much nearer London for maximum kudos and business potential

The real worrying thing is that that the business plan seems to be so focused on Malaysia that it doesn't really matter what we do because down here as his plan isn't based on our support. He will do what he wants when he wants in the interest of Malaysia.

I hope I'm wrong and Cardiff's identity is retained but the worst case is that a team that used to be Cardiff plays in the premier but us fans end up with nothing

In which case bring back Sam FFS

There's three whole divisions of clubs and even some Premier clubs who would jump at the chance of the investment and potential success we have with the Malaysians. Most have history and badges that they are proud of but would accept a rebranding that give some financial stability and potential success.
I've followed the club since 1966 and in all that time we've been the 'Sleeping Giant of Wales'....perhaps now we have finally got our wake up call.

The true fact about the Malaysian take over is they did things a couple of seasons ago to
piss a few off. Long before the rebrand. Long before any hint of a rebrand existed.
These people have done nothing but undermine Vincent Tan at every opportunity since.
"Gone in the summer" "Not backing the manager"... all this shite has been spouted for
over two years. All the success we are having this season is being TOTALLY credited to
Malky Mackay, yet I've not seen Malky dipping into his pockets to buy ONE player, or to
pay off ONE creditor.

Forget the rebrand for now.

Will somebody tell me what Vincent Tan was doing wrong LAST season????? Because as
far as the EVIDENCE shows... he was paying off creditors, restructuring, getting new staff
and players in and building the foundations for a concerted push for promotion this year!

I have come to the conclusion that as Tan does not owe Langstone a penny, he should not
give them a thing. That way, he can concentrate his finances on players and the Club and
also it will stop that 'debt' from shooting up significantly and him getting slagged off yet
again!. Let the courts decide. Promotion for Cardiff City is far more important than Langstone

Top post!

The supporters of virtually every team in the Football League would love to be in our position with our financial backing, and would quite happily change their club colours to achieve it.

People are deluding themselves if they think otherwise.

There's three whole divisions of clubs and even some Premier clubs who would jump at the chance of the investment and potential success we have with the Malaysians. Most have history and badges that they are proud of but would accept a rebranding that give some financial stability and potential success.
I've followed the club since 1966 and in all that time we've been the 'Sleeping Giant of Wales'....perhaps now we have finally got our wake up call.

The true fact about the Malaysian take over is they did things a couple of seasons ago to
piss a few off. Long before the rebrand. Long before any hint of a rebrand existed.
These people have done nothing but undermine Vincent Tan at every opportunity since.
"Gone in the summer" "Not backing the manager"... all this shite has been spouted for
over two years. All the success we are having this season is being TOTALLY credited to
Malky Mackay, yet I've not seen Malky dipping into his pockets to buy ONE player, or to
pay off ONE creditor.

Forget the rebrand for now.

Will somebody tell me what Vincent Tan was doing wrong LAST season????? Because as
far as the EVIDENCE shows... he was paying off creditors, restructuring, getting new staff
and players in and building the foundations for a concerted push for promotion this year!

I have come to the conclusion that as Tan does not owe Langstone a penny, he should not
give them a thing. That way, he can concentrate his finances on players and the Club and
also it will stop that 'debt' from shooting up significantly and him getting slagged off yet
again!. Let the courts decide. Promotion for Cardiff City is far more important than Langstone

Yes Yes Yes!

to be honest i am forced to agree with vincent tan. all my 50 years of supporting city have delivered is heartache and tears. we have been led by a succession of failed and crooked businessmen and fed promises of the second coming. we have sucked them up and demanded more.
what i find unbelieveable is that after all our failure there are some who want more of the same ineptitude. i don't. before i depart this planet for pastures new i want to see this club in the premier league. if that means i have to wear a red shirt then sobeit

This I am sure sums it up for the vast majority of fans. It is all about success on and off the pitch and from what I can see Tan is the only person willing to invest and keep the club afloat. If at the end of the day he makes millions from this then good luck to him.

The supporters of virtually every team in the Football League would love to be in our position with our financial backing, and would quite happily change their club colours to achieve it.

People are deluding themselves if they think otherwise.

no they wouldnt. premier league isnt the be all and end all. its fantastic and obviously what everyone in the championship is aiming towards, but its not worth selling your identity and history for

Who are they to dismiss our history FFS Its our history as someone else said good or bad. The Malaysians will go as far as the rules can be bent.

Yes he has vision his own vision.

There's three whole divisions of clubs and even some Premier clubs who would jump at the chance of the investment and potential success we have with the Malaysians. Most have history and badges that they are proud of but would accept a rebranding that give some financial stability and potential success.
I've followed the club since 1966 and in all that time we've been the 'Sleeping Giant of Wales'....perhaps now we have finally got our wake up call.

Nonsense.

When will people realise investment means loans at interest. Lots of clubs can get loans if they wish to, and many do. But for the whole club to be bankrolled on loans? I don't think anyone n their right mind would do that for free let alone rebrand for it.

Who are they to dismiss our history FFS Its our history as someone else said good or bad. The Malaysians will go as far as the rules can be bent.

Explain to us how anyone other than Doctor Who, can change history?????????

Who are they to dismiss our history FFS Its our history as someone else said good or bad. The Malaysians will go as far as the rules can be bent.

Explain to us how anyone other than Doctor Who, can change history?????????

Who are they to dismiss our history FFS Its our history as someone else said good or bad. The Malaysians will go as far as the rules can be bent.

Explain to us how anyone other than Doctor Who, can change history?????????

FFS Dr Who doesn't change history, he makes sure it happens the way it was meant to.

Gwyn I think nukes said they dismissed our history not changed it, it is possible to be dismissive

Who are they to dismiss our history FFS Its our history as someone else said good or bad. The Malaysians will go as far as the rules can be bent.

Explain to us how anyone other than Doctor Who, can change history?????????

Hey haven't changed it, it's been dismissed, along with the traditions and identity of the club.

Gwyn I think nukes said they dismissed our history not changed it, it is possible to be dismissive

Same thing, how can you dismiss it, It's history, fact, recorded happened, stored, they can give us a future which no one else was looking to do when they stepped in, they can change, modify adjust badges colours etc, but out history and our nickname is in our hands as fans, and they can't make us forget or dismiss anything.
How did all the other badge changes slip through almost unnoticed and unchallenged.

Answer me this, would you buy a pub thousands of pounds in debt, a real shit hole, dying on it's feet and then simply carry on doing what had failed before, or would you look at the potential and see that change was necessary if it was to continue in business.
And for those saying it's more than a business etc. then just look around at the club's who took that approach.

Gwyn I think nukes said they dismissed our history not changed it, it is possible to be dismissive

Same thing, how can you dismiss it, It's history, fact, recorded happened, stored, they can give us a future which no one else was looking to do when they stepped in, they can change, modify adjust badges colours etc, but out history and our nickname is in our hands as fans, and they can't make us forget or dismiss anything.
How did all the other badge changes slip through almost unnoticed and unchallenged.

Answer me this, would you buy a pub thousands of pounds in debt, a real shit hole, dying on it's feet and then simply carry on doing what had failed before, or would you look at the potential and see that change was necessary if it was to continue in business.
And for those saying it's more than a business etc. then just look around at the club's who took that approach.

To carry on the pub analogy, at what point would you draw the line? Would you be happy if the owners changed the name of the pub and put up prices to push out the usual clientele and bring a higher class of corporate consumer? Or are you happy for them to do whatever they need to do to push the new brand forward?

Gwyn I think nukes said they dismissed our history not changed it, it is possible to be dismissive

Same thing, how can you dismiss it, It's history, fact, recorded happened, stored, they can give us a future which no one else was looking to do when they stepped in, they can change, modify adjust badges colours etc, but out history and our nickname is in our hands as fans, and they can't make us forget or dismiss anything.
How did all the other badge changes slip through almost unnoticed and unchallenged.

Answer me this, would you buy a pub thousands of pounds in debt, a real shit hole, dying on it's feet and then simply carry on doing what had failed before, or would you look at the potential and see that change was necessary if it was to continue in business.
And for those saying it's more than a business etc. then just look around at the club's who took that approach.

Totally agree with this

Who are they to dismiss our history FFS Its our history as someone else said good or bad. The Malaysians will go as far as the rules can be bent.

Explain to us how anyone other than Doctor Who, can change history?????????

Hey haven't changed it, it's been dismissed, along with the traditions and identity of the club.

Good f*cking riddance I say.

Gwyn I think nukes said they dismissed our history not changed it, it is possible to be dismissive

Same thing, how can you dismiss it, It's history, fact, recorded happened, stored, they can give us a future which no one else was looking to do when they stepped in, they can change, modify adjust badges colours etc, but out history and our nickname is in our hands as fans, and they can't make us forget or dismiss anything.
How did all the other badge changes slip through almost unnoticed and unchallenged.

Answer me this, would you buy a pub thousands of pounds in debt, a real shit hole, dying on it's feet and then simply carry on doing what had failed before, or would you look at the potential and see that change was necessary if it was to continue in business.
And for those saying it's more than a business etc. then just look around at the club's who took that approach.

To carry on the pub analogy, at what point would you draw the line? Would you be happy if the owners changed the name of the pub and put up prices to push out the usual clientele and bring a higher class of corporate consumer? Or are you happy for them to do whatever they need to do to push the new brand forward?

As a simple customer, it wouldn't be down to me, if the customers were that loyal and there had been that many, then perhaps the pub wouldn't have got into that mess.
At the end of the day if the pub was remodeled and the prices put up, market forces would dictate if the business succeeded, you can't blame the business owners or investors for doing what they feel is needed to succeed.
Doubt if the would worry about losing me if the replaced my custom with five young people drinking three quid bottles of alcho pops and two pound shots.

But while it may not be my cup of tea, I would find somewhere else more suited and get on with my life rather than slag off the new pubs new customers, if any blame was to be apportioned, then possibly it would be to the old fickle customers who didn't go the pub often enough in the first place.

It's a bit like moaning that there is no corner shop open near you when you run out of milk, and the only time you used it was to spend the odd quid in when you needed it for convenience.

There's three whole divisions of clubs and even some Premier clubs who would jump at the chance of the investment and potential success we have with the Malaysians. Most have history and badges that they are proud of but would accept a rebranding that give some financial stability and potential success.

I've spoken to alot of people from other clubs all over the country and very very few have been willing to give anything up just for a bit of financial backing and possible success.

same here... the unisono reply was "you dont do that to a football club...no matter how successful you are afterwards"

if you asked fans you will always get same answer! try asking different question, like liquidation same colours or investment different colours? be more diverse answer

it was never red or they walk, that's a big myth... and Rangers are still Rangers, regardless if they play as the newco or not. and I would certainly rather go down to league 2 in blue as Cardiff City with our crest, our identity than this.