God help us all.... Britain is a piss-take... its official

i urge everyone to vote U.K.I.P. when you get a chance.
they are the only party that will bring back some sanity to this country.

you call opposing gay marriage and burkas whilst also supporting compulsory abortion for foetuses with spina bifidia and downs synydrome sanity??

I think we should ban burkas but the rest I strongly disagree with.

im intrigued as to why you think we should ban burkas

I just don't like seeing women being imprisoned in clothing. We should follow the French.

i do know what you mean, but you got to remember that a lot of women choose to wear the burkha. even if they do it in the name of 'religion'

Well, I'm all for Human Rights but I'm strongly against religion and I always will be.

i urge everyone to vote U.K.I.P. when you get a chance.
they are the only party that will bring back some sanity to this country.

you call opposing gay marriage and burkas whilst also supporting compulsory abortion for foetuses with spina bifidia and downs synydrome sanity??

the compulsory abortion remark was made by a member who has now been suspended. The party do not hold this stance hence his suspension. He made the suggestion to, stupidly, cut the national debt. It was a personal error, not one of the party, so please do not tar the party with the brush thank you as that is the common nonsensical move made by left wing fanatics. As for gay marriage, they said they do not support it at the moment and why should they? Is it a massive issue at the moment? Is it a big problem in the world? No. Lets sort the real issues out like the high crime rates, the poverty, the national debt and international relations. As for burkas, the French have done it, people can't wear hoodies in Britain in some places and I believe that people's faces should be able to be seen at all times.

Sorry, but I will be voting UKIP at the next election. Britain does not need the EU, the EU need Britain and its 60m+ population. The UK population is one of the main purchasers of European goods and you think withdrawing from the EU is going to stop that trade occurring? Not a chance, they would be cutting off their nose to spite their face. Treaties can be set up where we have our own say and do things where we have some say in the matter, rather than be spoken down to by condescending idiots at the EU.

Britain will never be great whilst its a EU member because EU membership means we just continuously taken advantage of.

didnt UKIP back the member when the remarks first came out, then stood down?

and people are banned from wearing hoodies for slightly different reasons....cant remember the last time i saw a gang of 'burkas' hanging around outside the shop or drinking cider in a park

your choice to vote UKIP obviously. i actually agree on the EU to an extent, although i think we shouldnt assume the eu need us more than we need them. i think that they may have it right on one policy but are lacking on others. but remember the right often tend to find favour with the public in economic crisis and it never usually works out...

UKIP is primarily composed of washed up, bitter, tories in exile. No thanks.

UKIP is primarily composed of washed up, bitter, tories in exile. No thanks.

This.

UKIP is primarily composed of washed up, bitter, tories in exile. No thanks.

Ignorance is bliss.

UKIP is primarily composed of washed up, bitter, tories in exile. No thanks.

they will never get in either. it'll basically just set us up for another coalition, only with that idiot farage. probably the one person in the coutry who'd be even worse than clegg!

UKIP is primarily composed of washed up, bitter, tories in exile. No thanks.

they will never get in either. it'll basically just set us up for another coalition, only with that idiot farage. probably the one person in the coutry who'd be even worse than clegg!

Ahem, Nick Griffin.

UKIP is primarily composed of washed up, bitter, tories in exile. No thanks.

Ignorance is bliss.

Must be their motto.

UKIP is primarily composed of washed up, bitter, tories in exile. No thanks.

Ignorance is bliss.

Must be their motto.

UKIP is primarily composed of washed up, bitter, tories in exile. No thanks.

they will never get in either. it'll basically just set us up for another coalition, only with that idiot farage. probably the one person in the coutry who'd be even worse than clegg!

Ahem, Nick Griffin.

oh yeah. and chopra. but apart from those 2

i urge everyone to vote U.K.I.P. when you get a chance.
they are the only party that will bring back some sanity to this country.

you call opposing gay marriage and burkas whilst also supporting compulsory abortion for foetuses with spina bifidia and downs synydrome sanity??

I think we should ban burkas but the rest I strongly disagree with.

im intrigued as to why you think we should ban burkas

I just don't like seeing women being imprisoned in clothing. We should follow the French.

i do know what you mean, but you got to remember that a lot of women choose to wear the burkha. even if they do it in the name of 'religion'

SIMPLE. They can choose to wear them in another country.

If a British Woman walked through parts of Pakistan/Iraq/Iran/Afhganistan showing her legs or face
she would face getting acid thrown in her face.

"Please do not cover your face" aint so bad

SIMPLE. They can choose to wear them in another country.

If a British Woman walked through parts of Pakistan/Iraq/Iran/Afhganistan showing her legs or face
she would face getting acid thrown in her face.

"Please do not cover your face" aint so bad

two wrongs dont make a right. and i take it when you go on anywhere abroad you learn the language fluently and read up on their culture beforehand to make sure you observe it impeccably?

i urge everyone to vote U.K.I.P. when you get a chance.
they are the only party that will bring back some sanity to this country.

you call opposing gay marriage and burkas whilst also supporting compulsory abortion for foetuses with spina bifidia and downs synydrome sanity??

I think we should ban burkas but the rest I strongly disagree with.

im intrigued as to why you think we should ban burkas

I just don't like seeing women being imprisoned in clothing. We should follow the French.

i do know what you mean, but you got to remember that a lot of women choose to wear the burkha. even if they do it in the name of 'religion'[/quote]

SIMPLE. They can choose to wear them in another country.

If a British Woman walked through parts of Pakistan/Iraq/Iran/Afhganistan showing her legs or face
she would face getting acid thrown in her face.

"Please do not cover your face" aint so bad[/quote]

Exactly, this may sound ignorant, but it's our country and if you migrate here, you should follow by our laws.

but they are abiding by our laws!

but they are abiding by our laws!

Sorry, I meant if we change the law to ban burhkas.

The reason people are afraid of UKIP is they talk sense and common sense scares other parties as they have for too long been used to politicians chatting bollocks. Do the UKIP have some loons? Of course they do and not going to pretend they don't but every party does and you can get more idiotic than the current prats in power now and those who preceded them. The problem for the UKIP is too many BNP/EDL idiots jumping on the popularity bandwagon. The UKIP needs to distance itself from these idiots as much as possible.

The reason people are afraid of UKIP is they talk sense and common sense scares other parties as they have for too long been used to politicians chatting bollocks. Do the UKIP have some loons? Of course they do and not going to pretend they don't but every party does and you can get more idiotic than the current prats in power now and those who preceded them. The problem for the UKIP is too many BNP/EDL idiots jumping on the popularity bandwagon. The UKIP needs to distance itself from these idiots as much as possible.

I actually thought he was talking some sense.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/370616/Next-influx-of-migrants-will-cause-shortage-of-housing-admits-Pickles

Even the Government are admitting they have no idea how many are coming.

Is Britain so skint, so dependant on Europe now that we are afraid to tell
Brussells to f**k off!!

Britain wouldn't be in this state if there wasn't austerity.

no sure i get you

What I'm saying is, all these cuts have harmed our economy big time, it's no good blaming immigrants.

If your family is skint you don't invite the rest of the street for dinner Chief

this.....if its so clear to the average joe,how come politicians are so f@cking blind

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/370616/Next-influx-of-migrants-will-cause-shortage-of-housing-admits-Pickles

Even the Government are admitting they have no idea how many are coming.

Is Britain so skint, so dependant on Europe now that we are afraid to tell
Brussells to f**k off!!

Britain wouldn't be in this state if there wasn't austerity.

no sure i get you

What I'm saying is, all these cuts have harmed our economy big time, it's no good blaming immigrants.

If your family is skint you don't invite the rest of the street for dinner Chief

this.....if its so clear to the average joe,how come politicians are so f@cking blind

They're not blind, just corrupt.

The reason people are afraid of UKIP is they talk sense and common sense scares other parties as they have for too long been used to politicians chatting bollocks. Do the UKIP have some loons? Of course they do and not going to pretend they don't but every party does and you can get more idiotic than the current prats in power now and those who preceded them. The problem for the UKIP is too many BNP/EDL idiots jumping on the popularity bandwagon. The UKIP needs to distance itself from these idiots as much as possible.

and there you have unknowingly defined right-wing populism. A mould that UKIP fit nicely into. By making all the right noises, by saying what the people want to hear, by undermining those in power and defending those who aren't, UKIP attract masses of ex-tories, ex-BNP and even ex-EDL. Yet, when it comes to concrete policies and actual power, they become undone. There ARE sensible people within the party no doubt. I respect Farage, he speaks sense and has charisma. However one or two men cannot define a party and unfortuntely, until UKIP rid themselves of the right-wing rejects and their consequent drivel, they will not acheive resolute success.

Furthermore, their recent actions regarding the sacking of a young member for declaring his personal views is nothing short of a disgrace. It has humiliated them, and shown that UKIP are not the free-speaking libertarian party that they claim to be. Instead, they are little more than a minor branch of the Conservative party. Too afraid of upseting the tories who saturate their ranks.

The reason people are afraid of UKIP is they talk sense and common sense scares other parties as they have for too long been used to politicians chatting bollocks. Do the UKIP have some loons? Of course they do and not going to pretend they don't but every party does and you can get more idiotic than the current prats in power now and those who preceded them. The problem for the UKIP is too many BNP/EDL idiots jumping on the popularity bandwagon. The UKIP needs to distance itself from these idiots as much as possible.

and there you have unknowingly defined right-wing populism. A mould that UKIP fit nicely into. By making all the right noises, by saying what the people want to hear, by undermining those in power and defending those who aren't, UKIP attract masses of ex-tories, ex-BNP and even ex-EDL. Yet, when it comes to concrete policies and actual power, they become undone. There ARE sensible people within the party no doubt. I respect Farage, he speaks sense and has charisma. However one or two men cannot define a party and unfortuntely, until UKIP rid themselves of the right-wing rejects and their consequent drivel, they will not acheive resolute success.


Furthermore, their recent actions regarding the sacking of a young member for declaring his personal views is nothing short of a disgrace. It has humiliated them, and shown that UKIP are not the free-speaking libertarian party that they claim to be. Instead, they are little more than a minor branch of the Conservative party. Too afraid of upseting the tories who saturate their ranks.

And therein lies the sickening suffocating brainwashing Britain has been subjected to for
twenty years. and its KILLING the Country.

WHY is it 'right wing' to want to put a stop to uneducated, unskilled people flooding into Britain
from all over the World? We have 3 million unemployed as it is. The TORY'S themselves are now
admitting that they have no idea how many of these fuckers are going to flood through the huge
hole in the dam, the only thing they are SURE of is that it will add massively to the strain on our
housing stocks, and benefit system.

Why oh f*cking why are the EDL/BNP/National Front brought into this thread by you??

Did you do it deliberately to cast a bit of a 'racist' theme to a reasonable debate?

I find it kind of funny that someone who is clearly very passionately against the rebrand, proven by his signature, does not feel the same way about the change of identity of this once great nation. You couldn't make it up.

I find it kind of funny that someone who is clearly very passionately against the rebrand, proven by his signature, does not feel the same way about the change of identity of this once great nation. You couldn't make it up.

Change of identity? Please explain.

I find it kind of funny that someone who is clearly very passionately against the rebrand, proven by his signature, does not feel the same way about the change of identity of this once great nation. You couldn't make it up.

What the devil are you blabbering on about?

The reason people are afraid of UKIP is they talk sense and common sense scares other parties as they have for too long been used to politicians chatting bollocks. Do the UKIP have some loons? Of course they do and not going to pretend they don't but every party does and you can get more idiotic than the current prats in power now and those who preceded them. The problem for the UKIP is too many BNP/EDL idiots jumping on the popularity bandwagon. The UKIP needs to distance itself from these idiots as much as possible.

and there you have unknowingly defined right-wing populism. A mould that UKIP fit nicely into. By making all the right noises, by saying what the people want to hear, by undermining those in power and defending those who aren't, UKIP attract masses of ex-tories, ex-BNP and even ex-EDL. Yet, when it comes to concrete policies and actual power, they become undone. There ARE sensible people within the party no doubt. I respect Farage, he speaks sense and has charisma. However one or two men cannot define a party and unfortuntely, until UKIP rid themselves of the right-wing rejects and their consequent drivel, they will not acheive resolute success.


Furthermore, their recent actions regarding the sacking of a young member for declaring his personal views is nothing short of a disgrace. It has humiliated them, and shown that UKIP are not the free-speaking libertarian party that they claim to be. Instead, they are little more than a minor branch of the Conservative party. Too afraid of upseting the tories who saturate their ranks.

And therein lies the sickening suffocating brainwashing Britain has been subjected to for
twenty years. and its KILLING the Country.

WHY is it 'right wing' to want to put a stop to uneducated, unskilled people flooding into Britain
from all over the World? We have 3 million unemployed as it is. The TORY'S themselves are now
admitting that they have no idea how many of these fuckers are going to flood through the huge
hole in the dam, the only thing they are SURE of is that it will add massively to the strain on our
housing stocks, and benefit system.

Why oh f*cking why are the EDL/BNP/National Front brought into this thread by you??

Did you do it deliberately to cast a bit of a 'racist' theme to a reasonable debate?

I think you'll find that my post was a criticism of UKIP and should not be misconstrued as anything else. For example, a pro-immigration post as you have done.

Secondly, who originally brought EDL/BNP into this thread? Was it me? I think not, I was responding to a prior post.

I often find that it is you who fails to engage in 'reasonable debate' due to your evident agenda against the 'pc brigade'/student types/brainwashed britain' (continue ad nauseum).

The reason people are afraid of UKIP is they talk sense and common sense scares other parties as they have for too long been used to politicians chatting bollocks. Do the UKIP have some loons? Of course they do and not going to pretend they don't but every party does and you can get more idiotic than the current prats in power now and those who preceded them. The problem for the UKIP is too many BNP/EDL idiots jumping on the popularity bandwagon. The UKIP needs to distance itself from these idiots as much as possible.

and there you have unknowingly defined right-wing populism. A mould that UKIP fit nicely into. By making all the right noises, by saying what the people want to hear, by undermining those in power and defending those who aren't, UKIP attract masses of ex-tories, ex-BNP and even ex-EDL. Yet, when it comes to concrete policies and actual power, they become undone. There ARE sensible people within the party no doubt. I respect Farage, he speaks sense and has charisma. However one or two men cannot define a party and unfortuntely, until UKIP rid themselves of the right-wing rejects and their consequent drivel, they will not acheive resolute success.


Furthermore, their recent actions regarding the sacking of a young member for declaring his personal views is nothing short of a disgrace. It has humiliated them, and shown that UKIP are not the free-speaking libertarian party that they claim to be. Instead, they are little more than a minor branch of the Conservative party. Too afraid of upseting the tories who saturate their ranks.

And therein lies the sickening suffocating brainwashing Britain has been subjected to for
twenty years. and its KILLING the Country.

WHY is it 'right wing' to want to put a stop to uneducated, unskilled people flooding into Britain
from all over the World? We have 3 million unemployed as it is. The TORY'S themselves are now
admitting that they have no idea how many of these fuckers are going to flood through the huge
hole in the dam, the only thing they are SURE of is that it will add massively to the strain on our
housing stocks, and benefit system.

Why oh f*cking why are the EDL/BNP/National Front brought into this thread by you??

Did you do it deliberately to cast a bit of a 'racist' theme to a reasonable debate?

I think you'll find that my post was a criticism of UKIP and should not be misconstrued as anything else. For example, a pro-immigration post as you have done.

Secondly, who originally brought EDL/BNP into this thread? Was it me? I think not, I was responding to a prior post.

I often find that it is you who fails to engage in 'reasonable debate' due to your evident agenda against the 'pc brigade'/student types/brainwashed britain' (continue ad nauseum).

Because this is a simple equation. Britain is NOT a rich nation, we have horrendous problems
housing and feeding the people we've already got. So common sense dictates we say NO MORE.

But the second anyone even hints at anything anti-immigration.... the Race Card is out, and you
cant even see yourself playing it. Its like second nature, like a knee jerk reaction. Thats conditioning
that is!!

I've got no problems with people coming into this country if they have skills and are willing to work, But the one's that come over for freebies, crime or spout hate should get the boot asap, in fact anyone with a criminal record should be denied.
Don't like this shit I've seen in the papers about the eastern euro tinkers about the flood the UK also, that's not good.
Anyone watch panorama think it was last year about them begging over hear, in gangs, getting there kids to beg, there making a killing, they followed them back to there original country and there all living in mansions.

The reason people are afraid of UKIP is they talk sense and common sense scares other parties as they have for too long been used to politicians chatting bollocks. Do the UKIP have some loons? Of course they do and not going to pretend they don't but every party does and you can get more idiotic than the current prats in power now and those who preceded them. The problem for the UKIP is too many BNP/EDL idiots jumping on the popularity bandwagon. The UKIP needs to distance itself from these idiots as much as possible.

and there you have unknowingly defined right-wing populism. A mould that UKIP fit nicely into. By making all the right noises, by saying what the people want to hear, by undermining those in power and defending those who aren't, UKIP attract masses of ex-tories, ex-BNP and even ex-EDL. Yet, when it comes to concrete policies and actual power, they become undone. There ARE sensible people within the party no doubt. I respect Farage, he speaks sense and has charisma. However one or two men cannot define a party and unfortuntely, until UKIP rid themselves of the right-wing rejects and their consequent drivel, they will not acheive resolute success.


Furthermore, their recent actions regarding the sacking of a young member for declaring his personal views is nothing short of a disgrace. It has humiliated them, and shown that UKIP are not the free-speaking libertarian party that they claim to be. Instead, they are little more than a minor branch of the Conservative party. Too afraid of upseting the tories who saturate their ranks.

And therein lies the sickening suffocating brainwashing Britain has been subjected to for
twenty years. and its KILLING the Country.

WHY is it 'right wing' to want to put a stop to uneducated, unskilled people flooding into Britain
from all over the World? We have 3 million unemployed as it is. The TORY'S themselves are now
admitting that they have no idea how many of these fuckers are going to flood through the huge
hole in the dam, the only thing they are SURE of is that it will add massively to the strain on our
housing stocks, and benefit system.

Why oh f*cking why are the EDL/BNP/National Front brought into this thread by you??

Did you do it deliberately to cast a bit of a 'racist' theme to a reasonable debate?

I think you'll find that my post was a criticism of UKIP and should not be misconstrued as anything else. For example, a pro-immigration post as you have done.

Secondly, who originally brought EDL/BNP into this thread? Was it me? I think not, I was responding to a prior post.

I often find that it is you who fails to engage in 'reasonable debate' due to your evident agenda against the 'pc brigade'/student types/brainwashed britain' (continue ad nauseum).

Because this is a simple equation. Britain is NOT a rich nation, we have horrendous problems
housing and feeding the people we've already got. So common sense dictates we say NO MORE.

But the second anyone even hints at anything anti-immigration.... the Race Card is out, and you
cant even see yourself playing it. Its like second nature, like a knee jerk reaction. Thats conditioning
that is!!

What does that have to do with UKIP being saturated with tories? Please enlighten me. Or are you just utilising any opportunity to spout the same old rhetoric. I actually agree with what you're saying, however it is a seperate issue entirely!

No it isn't 'conditioning'. I believe that immigration CAN prove hugely beneficial to a country, however in times such as these there needs to be tighter regulations and a system similiar to Australia brought in. Now, please tell me where I have 'played the race card' and I will be more than willing to explain what I am actually saying.

The reason people are afraid of UKIP is they talk sense and common sense scares other parties as they have for too long been used to politicians chatting bollocks. Do the UKIP have some loons? Of course they do and not going to pretend they don't but every party does and you can get more idiotic than the current prats in power now and those who preceded them. The problem for the UKIP is too many BNP/EDL idiots jumping on the popularity bandwagon. The UKIP needs to distance itself from these idiots as much as possible.

and there you have unknowingly defined right-wing populism. A mould that UKIP fit nicely into. By making all the right noises, by saying what the people want to hear, by undermining those in power and defending those who aren't, UKIP attract masses of ex-tories, ex-BNP and even ex-EDL. Yet, when it comes to concrete policies and actual power, they become undone. There ARE sensible people within the party no doubt. I respect Farage, he speaks sense and has charisma. However one or two men cannot define a party and unfortuntely, until UKIP rid themselves of the right-wing rejects and their consequent drivel, they will not acheive resolute success.


Furthermore, their recent actions regarding the sacking of a young member for declaring his personal views is nothing short of a disgrace. It has humiliated them, and shown that UKIP are not the free-speaking libertarian party that they claim to be. Instead, they are little more than a minor branch of the Conservative party. Too afraid of upseting the tories who saturate their ranks.

And therein lies the sickening suffocating brainwashing Britain has been subjected to for
twenty years. and its KILLING the Country.

WHY is it 'right wing' to want to put a stop to uneducated, unskilled people flooding into Britain
from all over the World? We have 3 million unemployed as it is. The TORY'S themselves are now
admitting that they have no idea how many of these fuckers are going to flood through the huge
hole in the dam, the only thing they are SURE of is that it will add massively to the strain on our
housing stocks, and benefit system.

Why oh f*cking why are the EDL/BNP/National Front brought into this thread by you??

Did you do it deliberately to cast a bit of a 'racist' theme to a reasonable debate?

I think you'll find that my post was a criticism of UKIP and should not be misconstrued as anything else. For example, a pro-immigration post as you have done.

Secondly, who originally brought EDL/BNP into this thread? Was it me? I think not, I was responding to a prior post.

I often find that it is you who fails to engage in 'reasonable debate' due to your evident agenda against the 'pc brigade'/student types/brainwashed britain' (continue ad nauseum).

Because this is a simple equation. Britain is NOT a rich nation, we have horrendous problems
housing and feeding the people we've already got. So common sense dictates we say NO MORE.

But the second anyone even hints at anything anti-immigration.... the Race Card is out, and you
cant even see yourself playing it. Its like second nature, like a knee jerk reaction. Thats conditioning
that is!!

What does that have to do with UKIP being saturated with tories? Please enlighten me. Or are you just utilising any opportunity to spout the same old rhetoric. I actually agree with what you're saying, however it is a seperate issue entirely!

No it isn't 'conditioning'. I believe that immigration CAN prove hugely beneficial to a country, however in times such as these there needs to be tighter regulations and a system similiar to Australia brought in. Now, please tell me where I have 'played the race card' and I will be more than willing to explain what I am actually saying.

By subconsciously linking the UKIP to right wing groups. As per what the government want

What on earth? Subconsciously?

UKIP are saturated with ex-members of right-wing groups which of course they're not happy about. This is fact, I'm not sure how you can deny this

Very strange indeed.