NEARLY TIME TO PUT UP OR SHUT UP

"I NEVER SUPPORTED CARDIFF CITY PURELY FOR SUCCESS! SUCCESS WAS NEVER AN OPTION".

I have had this argument with many people in work who I call 'Soccer Fans' the only thing that seems to get under their skin.

They just cannot understand why I would not see the winning of the FA Cup, Premier League or Champions League as the ultimate goal for ANY fan. The support a game that is now all about winning.

I suggest that the game I watched was not just about football but as much about the friendships, trips, clothes and relating your team to where you live. It was a way of living NOT just about winning.

The only way I sort of get through to them is that IF it's about winning trophies at the highest levels, why do fans go and watch non league football? They would all give up and sit at home watching Sky Sports, unfortunately this is what has been happening over the years.

"I NEVER SUPPORTED CARDIFF CITY PURELY FOR SUCCESS! SUCCESS WAS NEVER AN OPTION".

I have had this argument with many people in work who I call 'Soccer Fans' the only thing that seems to get under their skin.

They just cannot understand why I would not see the winning of the FA Cup, Premier League or Champions League as the ultimate goal for ANY fan. The support a game that is now all about winning.

I suggest that the game I watched was not just about football but as much about the friendships, trips, clothes and relating your team to where you live. It was a way of living NOT just about winning.

The only way I sort of get through to them is that IF it's about winning trophies at the highest levels, why do fans go and watch non league football? They would all give up and sit at home watching Sky Sports, unfortunately this is what has been happening over the years.

Agree absolutely fully with this and it's what I tell people.

When the whole rebranding thing was first coming in people understood that the club could go under if it failed and said things such as "so do you think it's better to go into administration? Not much chance of promotion then is there?" I was and still am go smacked by some attitudes.

I never trout I'd see the day where the majority would risk our financial future, support the stripping of Cardiff city's blue and allowing the bluebird to be forced into the background and next year gone completely.... For promotion.

I'm still dumbfounded.

Season ticket renewals ... I'v seen it on countless threads " Can't believe how easy our fans have rolled over on the rebrand"
Well nows the time to put up or shut up We will not be playing in blue next season. So If we care that much about the colour we won't be renewing our season tickets will we ? forget petitions here's the opportunity you been crying out for to show the club how you feel.

Good post Dicey. I agree with your post. Either you support Cardiff City with a new vision or you don't. If you don't, don't buy a season ticket and do the honourable thing like TLG.

Eventually we will end up back Blue at home, come back and support us then.

For those of you staying with me.

Please don't tell other supporters what to do.

Season ticket renewals ... I'v seen it on countless threads " Can't believe how easy our fans have rolled over on the rebrand"
Well nows the time to put up or shut up We will not be playing in blue next season. So If we care that much about the colour we won't be renewing our season tickets will we ? forget petitions here's the opportunity you been crying out for to show the club how you feel.

Good post Dicey. I agree with your post. Either you support Cardiff City with a new vision or you don't. If you don't, don't buy a season ticket and do the honourable thing like TLG.

Eventually we will end up back Blue at home, come back and support us then.

For those of you staying with me.

Please don't tell other supporters what to do.

And what is it you are doing here, oh the one sided irony.

Simply requesting that supporters be allowed to feel whatever they wish about certain issues, not telling anyone what to do.

"I NEVER SUPPORTED CARDIFF CITY PURELY FOR SUCCESS! SUCCESS WAS NEVER AN OPTION".

I have had this argument with many people in work who I call 'Soccer Fans' the only thing that seems to get under their skin.

They just cannot understand why I would not see the winning of the FA Cup, Premier League or Champions League as the ultimate goal for ANY fan. The support a game that is now all about winning.

I suggest that the game I watched was not just about football but as much about the friendships, trips, clothes and relating your team to where you live. It was a way of living NOT just about winning.

The only way I sort of get through to them is that IF it's about winning trophies at the highest levels, why do fans go and watch non league football? They would all give up and sit at home watching Sky Sports, unfortunately this is what has been happening over the years.

There is no ultimate goal, and that is part of the attraction, it's about hope ambition, competition and the highs and lows it brings. I always had a dream of seeing City at Wembley along with 40,000 Bluebirds, never thought it would happen but it did, I now have new dreams and new goals, chasing them is half the fun.
It ain't about the Premiership, if we get there it will be great, but then we'll want to win it, then we'll want to win the Euro Super League etc etc.

Simply requesting that supporters be allowed to feel whatever they wish about certain issues, not telling anyone what to do.

So telling/asking someone not to tell people what to do, or what not to do is acceptable. Is what you are really trying to say is, you can ask, but no one else can?

Simply requesting that supporters be allowed to feel whatever they wish about certain issues, not telling anyone what to do.

So telling/asking someone not to tell people what to do, or what not to do is acceptable. Is what you are really trying to say is, you can ask, but no one else can?

I won't be told that I should not go if I don't agree with rebrand. Just pointing out to the poster that he doesn't really have the right to say that. Simple as that.

I agree with your sentiments, but why are new fans, plastic? If they are local and not sitting in an armchair they should be treated just a little bit better.

ok, maybe not the correct term... but the point im trying to make is there will be an almost certain influx of glory hunters who follow premiership and not a team. Our home end will have opposing fans in there... just like last years cup final.[/quote]

A Jack work colleague of mine told me that this ^^^^^^^ has happened down there. A manure 'fan' was in their end, he jumed and cheered when Manure scored, by the time the stewards got him out he was covered in gob. Now I don't condone it, but if you're in the wrong end at any ground, and do this you've got to expect some repercussions.

Simply requesting that supporters be allowed to feel whatever they wish about certain issues, not telling anyone what to do.

So telling/asking someone not to tell people what to do, or what not to do is acceptable. Is what you are really trying to say is, you can ask, but no one else can?

I won't be told that I should not go if I don't agree with rebrand. Just pointing out to the poster that he doesn't really have the right to say that. Simple as that.

So you wont be told, but it's OK to tell him what you want and what suits you, isn't that total hypocrisy.

Simply requesting that supporters be allowed to feel whatever they wish about certain issues, not telling anyone what to do.

So telling/asking someone not to tell people what to do, or what not to do is acceptable. Is what you are really trying to say is, you can ask, but no one else can?

I won't be told that I should not go if I don't agree with rebrand. Just pointing out to the poster that he doesn't really have the right to say that. Simple as that.

So you wont be told, but it's OK to tell him what you want and what suits you, isn't that total hypocrisy.

Pointing out that a poster doesn't have the right to tell fellow posters to stop going if they don't like the rebrand isn't telling him what to do at all.

It's just making a point, as simple as that.

Chuckle is correct.

Simply requesting that supporters be allowed to feel whatever they wish about certain issues, not telling anyone what to do.

So telling/asking someone not to tell people what to do, or what not to do is acceptable. Is what you are really trying to say is, you can ask, but no one else can?

I won't be told that I should not go if I don't agree with rebrand. Just pointing out to the poster that he doesn't really have the right to say that. Simple as that.

Hello Barry, it was meant to come across as my opinion as opposed to telling people what to do.

I feel every topic on this MB ends up as a rebrand topic. While they were healthy debates at the start of the season, now they repetative. Thats why I supported the topic.

We are top of the league and there are no topics about Premier dreams to Old Trafford and Anfield, most topics end up about, red shirts, debt to equity, Langston. Its about time this messageboard united.

Probably because it's the single biggest thing the fans have had to debate over, it's splitting them right down the middle.

I respect those who feel that they don't care about the blue shirts/bluebird slowly disappearing, but don't agree with it myself.

I still follow & support CCFC, even though I disagree with what happened. It doesn't feel the SAME CCFC for me though.

Personally don't think you'll ever get a "united" MB as both sides of the argument will never concede and join the other.

Chuckle is correct.

Chuckle is 100%.

Why should anyone stop going because they don't agree with the vision. Also as a fare paying customer yes Chuckle has the right to ask for what he wants. Nothing hypocritical about that at all.

Probably because it's the single biggest thing the fans have had to debate over, it's splitting them right down the middle.

I respect those who feel that they don't care about the blue shirts/bluebird slowly disappearing, but don't agree with it myself.

I still follow & support CCFC, even though I disagree with what happened. It doesn't feel the SAME CCFC for me though.

Personally don't think you'll ever get a "united" MB as both sides of the argument will never concede and join the other.

Yes your probably right our fans will be devided for years on this topic.

Chuckle is correct.

Chuckle is 100%.

Why should anyone stop going because they don't agree with the vision. Also as a fare paying customer yes Chuckle has the right to ask for what he wants. Nothing hypocritical about that at all.

Totally missing the point, our Alex is big on everyone being allowed their opinion, yet when someone puts his opinion as to what he thinks people should do, then he says they shouldn't tell people what to do, but that's exactly what he's doing, you can't have it both ways, either people are allowed their opinion as long as it is legal or they aren't.

Is he telling him, he can't have this opinion, or that he can't share it, what sort of message board debate is that????

Gwyn, seeing as you have it all mis-understood, let me go through it again.

Magnets posted: -

"Good post Dicey. I agree with your post. Either you support Cardiff City with a new vision or you don't. If you don't, don't buy a season ticket and do the honourable thing like TLG.

Eventually we will end up back Blue at home, come back and support us then."

Now I read that as telling me I shouldn't buy a ST as I don't agree with Tan and his vision.

So I merely pointed out that he shouldn't be telling other fans what to do with regards to their supporting of the team.

Where have I told anyone what to do?

Season ticket renewals ... I'v seen it on countless threads " Can't believe how easy our fans have rolled over on the rebrand"
Well nows the time to put up or shut up We will not be playing in blue next season. So If we care that much about the colour we won't be renewing our season tickets will we ? forget petitions here's the opportunity you been crying out for to show the club how you feel.

The club will not care (if city are promoted) whether people renew season tickets. They probably have a waiting list of people who will pay a lot more (couple of £100's) for the seats, as the ones leaving are probably on the 5 year price freeze. Financially it will be better for the club if people do not renew.

We all have our views on the colour change (I am 100% against it) but I will renew , even if only for one season, so I do not regret the chance of seeing the football club I have supported for years, play against the biggest clubs .
The premier league is the only way our club can hope to survive long term, so we have to accept it at the moment.
Then see what the future brings, when the club is financially more secure.

Gwyn, seeing as you have it all mis-understood, let me go through it again.

Magnets posted: -

"Good post Dicey. I agree with your post. Either you support Cardiff City with a new vision or you don't. If you don't, don't buy a season ticket and do the honourable thing like TLG.

Eventually we will end up back Blue at home, come back and support us then."

Now I read that as telling me I shouldn't buy a ST as I don't agree with Tan and his vision.

So I merely pointed out that he shouldn't be telling other fans what to do with regards to their supporting of the team.

Where have I told anyone what to do?

So your saying now, that isn't Magners opinion, it's his instructions to everyone else?

"I NEVER SUPPORTED CARDIFF CITY PURELY FOR SUCCESS! SUCCESS WAS NEVER AN OPTION"

C'Mon every fan wants to see their Team win and do well .

So why the hell would I turn into a glory hunter for one season when I have protested against the very principle of glory hunting since our club was ripped apart by greed.

Will people like you stop this sheer nonsense when it comes glory hunting and rolling over :views that makes me sick to my back teeth . I don't need people like you, making out that because we still watch and support Cardiff City , we've somehow rolled over . I work hard , pay my bills and one of the few pleasure in life after all is said and done is watching Cardiff City at the gates and having a drink with my mates before and after the game ...

I'll watch Cardiff City no matter what colour they chose to play in and don't need people like you making out we've rolled over and sold our souls , because after a hard week at work some of us still watch Cardiff City play in RED.. BIG DEAL get over it

Will people like you stop this sheer nonsense when it comes glory hunting and rolling over :views that makes me sick to my back teeth . I don't need people like you, making out that because we still watch and support Cardiff City , we've somehow rolled over . I work hard , pay my bills and one of the few pleasure in life after all is said and done is watching Cardiff City at the gates and having a drink with my mates before and after the game ...

I'll watch Cardiff City no matter what colour they chose to play in and don't need people like you making out we've rolled over and sold our souls , because after a hard week at work some of us still watch Cardiff City play in RED.. BIG DEAL get over it

I said that me protesting this season then turning up just because we make the Premiership would make me a glory hunter and I won't be doing it. City fans who have always gone and continue to go aren't glory hunters, I would say they are more pathetically desperate for success since the gypos made the Premiership that they will get there at any cost. The cost in my eyes is the soul and very thing that made me love Cardiff City in the first place, individuality and a common bond with my fellow City fans.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I think the club and it's fans have sold their souls for success, you don't. You are entitled to your opinion and can still watch the games, I am entitled to my opinion and will spend my time more productively.

Trust me the fact that I can no longer bring myself to watch the club I have loved for 20 years hurts me much more than I will ever p.iss off or hurt you.

Season ticket renewals ... I'v seen it on countless threads " Can't believe how easy our fans have rolled over on the rebrand"
Well nows the time to put up or shut up We will not be playing in blue next season. So If we care that much about the colour we won't be renewing our season tickets will we ? forget petitions here's the opportunity you been crying out for to show the club how you feel.

The club will not care (if city are promoted) whether people renew season tickets. They probably have a waiting list of people who will pay a lot more (couple of £100's) for the seats, as the ones leaving are probably on the 5 year price freeze. Financially it will be better for the club if people do not renew.

We all have our views on the colour change (I am 100% against it) but I will renew , even if only for one season, so I do not regret the chance of seeing the football club I have supported for years, play against the biggest clubs .
The premier league is the only way our club can hope to survive long term, so we have to accept it at the moment.
Then see what the future brings, when the club is financially more secure.

You have basically confirmed what I previously said in this thread, in that fans priortise the stability of the club and watching us in the premier over the colour / badge change.
We have been debating the rebrand for over 6 months but most don't feel that strong about it... well not enough to walk away from the club .

Probably because it's the single biggest thing the fans have had to debate over, it's splitting them right down the middle.

I respect those who feel that they don't care about the blue shirts/bluebird slowly disappearing, but don't agree with it myself.

I still follow & support CCFC, even though I disagree with what happened. It doesn't feel the SAME CCFC for me though.

Personally don't think you'll ever get a "united" MB as both sides of the argument will never concede and join the other.

I know I could regret this but what happening with your petition ?

Chuckle is correct.

Chuckle is 100%.

Why should anyone stop going because they don't agree with the vision. Also as a fare paying customer yes Chuckle has the right to ask for what he wants. Nothing hypocritical about that at all.

Totally missing the point, our Alex is big on everyone being allowed their opinion, yet when someone puts his opinion as to what he thinks people should do, then he says they shouldn't tell people what to do, but that's exactly what he's doing, you can't have it both ways, either people are allowed their opinion as long as it is legal or they aren't.

Is he telling him, he can't have this opinion, or that he can't share it, what sort of message board debate is that????

Spot on, people can't see the wood for the trees! If chuckles gets pulled up, his default is that he was only making a point or correcting someone etc. It smacks of undermining bullying really. In constant belittling with a putdown, then telling them he it wasn't a putdown but a way of correcting their ways!