ANYONE REMEMBER 1977

Not being sarcastic at all, just putting over my view of away trips back in the late 70's/80's and clearly my recolloctions differ to yours.

My away days started around 1978 and I took in all the places you refer to. I'm not denying that trouble occurred on occasions but you make out that it was a constant event - it wasn't.

Perhaps the fact that we just drove up to games, had a pint, watched the match and went home means we missed all this constant aggro?

Claude, it was virtually week in week out in the late 70's and 80's. Even Halifax caused trouble in them days. We have all moved on I agree I def have, but I wont say sorry to know one about them days, I have never taken a drug, burgled, robbed anyone, stabbed anyone,attacked innocent people etc etc.
That was the way of life in them days and you have to be honest, ask 90% off fans from them days the Truth.

Not being sarcastic at all, just putting over my view of away trips back in the late 70's/80's and clearly my recolloctions differ to yours.

My away days started around 1978 and I took in all the places you refer to. I'm not denying that trouble occurred on occasions but you make out that it was a constant event - it wasn't.

Perhaps the fact that we just drove up to games, had a pint, watched the match and went home means we missed all this constant aggro?

Back tracking a bit there Claude.

I was not part of the ilk as you put it Claude but I went to quite a few away games around the late 70s early 80s. I was in the military then and happened to be posted where there were alot of away games for us. As you can imagine I went on my own and believe me I felt even more on my own standing amongst the Cardiff fans as they all seemed to be part of a group/gang. In fact I got some suspicious eyes looking at me and I ended up watching those looking at me more than the football. Adding to that I had to be extra careful I did not get involved in any ruck not because I am not big enough but because the military punishment in those days was frightening. Trust me it was not a good idea to be under control of military disciplinary policemen.

What I'm saying here Claude is that it was group/ganged orientated in those days and yes I would agree it was 90% of our following. Thats what makes it exciting today at an away day. You can practically turn to anyone and debate a good/bad decision without the trouble. Yes we have moved on and come along way.

Not being sarcastic at all, just putting over my view of away trips back in the late 70's/80's and clearly my recolloctions differ to yours.

My away days started around 1978 and I took in all the places you refer to. I'm not denying that trouble occurred on occasions but you make out that it was a constant event - it wasn't.

Perhaps the fact that we just drove up to games, had a pint, watched the match and went home means we missed all this constant aggro?

Back tracking a bit there Claude.

I was not part of the ilk as you put it Claude but I went to quite a few away games around the late 70s early 80s. I was in the military then and happened to be posted where there were alot of away games for us. As you can imagine I went on my own and believe me I felt even more on my own standing amongst the Cardiff fans as they all seemed to be part of a group/gang. In fact I got some suspicious eyes looking at me and I ended up watching those looking at me more than the football. Adding to that I had to be extra careful I did not get involved in any ruck not because I am not big enough but because the military punishment in those days was frightening. Trust me it was not a good idea to be under control of military disciplinary policemen.

What I'm saying here Claude is that it was group/ganged orientated in those days and yes I would agree it was 90% of our following. Thats what makes it exciting today at an away day. You can practically turn to anyone and debate a good/bad decision without the trouble. Yes we have moved on and come along way.

Well said, I hope I wasnt one of them looking at you
I agree times have changed big time.

Not quite sure what I'm back tracking to but I can see your point.

Sure, there were always groups of "lads" who I suppose we just avoided but I don't recall ever being concerned about my identity when with fellow supporters in some God forsaken away end.

I've never denied that there was trouble, saw quite a bit of it, but always managed to steer clear of it.

I'm just disputing the 90% figure, arbitrary as it is.

Are you forgetting the old supporters club coach(es) and the days of Ader Glas?

The majority of the "few" from those bygone days were not "lads" as you put it, as if by calling them such you give them some sort of kudos.

Not quite sure what I'm back tracking to but I can see your point.

Sure, there were always groups of "lads" who I suppose we just avoided but I don't recall ever being concerned about my identity when with fellow supporters in some God forsaken away end.

I've never denied that there was trouble, saw quite a bit of it, but always managed to steer clear of it.

I'm just disputing the 90% figure, arbitrary as it is.

Are you forgetting the old supporters club coach(es) and the days of Ader Glas?

The majority of the "few" from those bygone days were not "lads" as you put it, as if by calling them such you give them some sort of kudos.

It was the Ader Glas Supporters Club I started going away with in the 70's and I can tell you now they had some right mad Valley lads on them.

Not quite sure what I'm back tracking to but I can see your point.

Sure, there were always groups of "lads" who I suppose we just avoided but I don't recall ever being concerned about my identity when with fellow supporters in some God forsaken away end.

I've never denied that there was trouble, saw quite a bit of it, but always managed to steer clear of it.

I'm just disputing the 90% figure, arbitrary as it is.

Are you forgetting the old supporters club coach(es) and the days of Ader Glas?

The majority of the "few" from those bygone days were not "lads" as you put it, as if by calling them such you give them some sort of kudos.

It was the Ader Glas Supporters Club I started going away with in the 70's and I can tell you now they had some right mad Valley lads on them.

i was on mairs coach when they smashed west broms supporters club up after the match. the comedian made a tasteless joke about aberfan and the place erupted

I was on Maers Coach coming back from Westham 1978, The whole coach jumped off and attacked Westham fans in a park.

Steve for anyone to deny all this in the 70's and 80's I know now are out and out liars and are just on here to snipe. I was hoping Claude would bring some good debates BUT NOT DAM RIGHT LIES WHEN HE FORGETS I WAS THERE IN THEM DAYS AT 99% OF THE MATCHES AWAY FROM HOME.

You know what's really sad here?

The thread's headline suggests a topic on a glorious Welsh victory over England but no mention of the game itself, just the "aggro."

And so the thread continues (with my help of course!!) without a single reference to a game of football!!!

Clearly many on here regard them as halcyon days and although in the past now I can almost see the tears welling up in your eyes at the nostalgia of it all.

Yes, football has changed and reading here just reinforces how good this change has been.

To debate means to air different opinions, which is what I'm doing.

Sadly it appears that if I stray from the party line, then I'm sniping.

Sad.

Are you forgetting the old supporters club coach(es) and the days of Ader Glas?

The majority of the "few" from those bygone days were not "lads" as you put it, as if by calling them such you give them some sort of kudos.

Yes I recall the suporters coaches. Most games I went to they were down to one or two coaches. One such game, at Doncaster, we won 2-0 and I followed the coach out of Doncaster in my car. While in doncaster the lads on the coach were giving the signs to the Donny fans walking home. As we left Doncaster they noticed then concentrated their finger aims at me. I had this for 5 miles until I came to my turn off back to base. At the turn off I produced my little Welsh flag I always carried around with me in my car. As I turned off I then stuck my middle finger up at them. You should have seen their faces drop, bloody priceless it was.

Agree with Annis on this one. Travelled with the Pontypool/Cwmbran lad's during the late 70's, not missing many games. In my opinion the vast majority of City fan's were up for it. Good day's back then, when you looked out for each other. Our philosophy was 'nobody run' and 'one in all in'. Also went with the supporters club back then getting the bus at Malpas, some crazy people on those coache's. Would love to see the reaction of some of todays youngsters if it kicked off now like it did then.

You know what's really sad here?

The thread's headline suggests a topic on a glorious Welsh victory over England but no mention of the game itself, just the "aggro."

And so the thread continues (with my help of course!!) without a single reference to a game of football!!!

Clearly many on here regard them as halcyon days and although in the past now I can almost see the tears welling up in your eyes at the nostalgia of it all.


Yes, football has changed and reading here just reinforces how good this change has been.

Claude, I agree with some of those words but thats what it was really Remembered for .

THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THEY WERE MAD DAYS BUT AT THE TIME WE LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF IT, I dont say sorry to no one about them, but I agree we have moved on and so HAVE I.

But whats wrong in talking about those days ?

You know what's really sad here?

The thread's headline suggests a topic on a glorious Welsh victory over England but no mention of the game itself, just the "aggro."

And so the thread continues (with my help of course!!) without a single reference to a game of football!!!

Clearly many on here regard them as halcyon days and although in the past now I can almost see the tears welling up in your eyes at the nostalgia of it all.

Yes, football has changed and reading here just reinforces how good this change has been.

claude without the advanced technology used by the police these days it would still be going on week after week.
i loved the seventies myself not for the violence but for my first trip to europe to watch city play away at servette.
i miss the trips to europe more than anything else.
Now ive turned my wife into a city fan and we sit together at all the home games without fear of violence which shows the amazing strides the club has taken these last few years.
but a good bit of reminising is good for the soul now and then

Totally agree, nothing wrong with a bit of reminiscing!! I'm just glad that I view things differently from many on this board!

Moving this theme on slightly, do you see the damage that these "lads" did to our club during this period?

Would you not agree that we are still suffering as supporters due to the reputation we had (still have?)

Do you feel that glorifying such past events just encourage youngsters to replicate these behaviours?

And no, I'm not sniping, just an interested bystander!!

but a good bit of reminising is good for the soul now and then

Indeed and those I know that managed not to get their heads kicked in by our own fans seemed more proud of our history than those that did the kicking.

Totally agree, nothing wrong with a bit of reminiscing!! I'm just glad that I view things differently from many on this board!

Moving this theme on slightly, do you see the damage that these "lads" did to our club during this period?

Would you not agree that we are still suffering as supporters due to the reputation we had (still have?)

Do you feel that glorifying such past events just encourage youngsters to replicate these behaviours?

And no, I'm not sniping, just an interested bystander!!

But it wasn't just our club, every club in the land had there 'lads', it was the way it was back then. Get caught and it was a slap on the wrist or a fine. Today it's 6 months and a 3yr ban, that why its not like it was.

Totally agree, nothing wrong with a bit of reminiscing!! I'm just glad that I view things differently from many on this board!

Moving this theme on slightly, do you see the damage that these "lads" did to our club during this period?

Would you not agree that we are still suffering as supporters due to the reputation we had (still have?)

Do you feel that glorifying such past events just encourage youngsters to replicate these behaviours?

And no, I'm not sniping, just an interested bystander!!

Personally I think its a weak argument to blame the reputation. The damaging reputation to the club then was our football and board. The football was crap and the club was run crapperly. Is that a word?

We have spent many years in the lower dungeons and name me one club that has done the same and kept good crowds. To a degree you could say the group/gang orientation kept some sort of noticeable support for the club.

I would agree that we are suffering from this reputation and it will be many years before we recover from it. However we have made great strides such as seeing away fans drinking in places like Ninian Pub. Yes I have seen that. To put that in perspective I went to the Forest away a couple of weeks ago and could not get into most of the pubs near the ground. Its the outside world we need to convince.

Finally regarding glorifying events....well its history and we cannot be responsible for others actions. Most books I read on the subject forewarn about the use of CCTV. Be it on a youngsters head if they want to get be silly.

I agree with quite a lot you say, certainly about the crap football we were subjected to!!

Our support was generally very poor in those days, mostly due to the dreadful standard we were playing in. Our support has only grown when the club was more succesful, so you cannot say that we've "kept good crowds."

You obviously remember those days well, and apart from comments about how crap we were there was always one other comment made regularly - and that was about our "hooligan element."

It put many, many people off coming to NP.

I've often wondered how many supporters we lost in those days.

In those days a lot of fans had given up watching City because it was year after year of struggling, relegation and crap football, I admit we didt help.

But I never stopped going.

Nor me Annis.

And I'm glad I carried on. The warm glow I feel now at our current success with play offs to look forward to feels wonderful.

1977 f**k yes i was there a young 17 year old lad who was up for anything. and yes i got a few slaps. but the buzz was amazing

but a good bit of reminising is good for the soul now and then

Indeed and those I know that managed not to get their heads kicked in by our own fans seemed more proud of our history than those that did the kicking.

baker

i lived in llanbradach as a kid and got regular beatings off the bargoed boys on the train home.

Wembley England v Wales, when the English slaughtered us on the terraces, Chelsea,Millwall,Westham all joined together to give us a kicking in the ground and after and it was England v Cardiff, No Jacks, No Wrexham and No Newport.

i can remembe r blackpool away in the kop i think it was 1977 that was a bit mental was anyone on here there

1977 started with a bang, Fulham [home] remember Robins debut, & then it got better;
Spurs, cup.
Wrexham, cup.
Everton, cup.
Chelsea, home.
Forest, away.
And then Wembley. After that we had;
Spurs, home.
Stoke, home.
And Scotland at Anfield in the October.
All that and Punk Rock to,,,,,,,as Laurie Mcmenemy once said, on an alcohol free beer advert, "it' [was] great man".

Oh, & this,,,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzXkbV4lEKU

Oh, & this,,,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzXkbV4lEKU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt5ggkuQIbc

I have supported City and Wales for over 40 years. That game was the 3rd most frightened I have ever been. Second was at Leeds in the FA Cup when they were the best team in the country and we were languishing at the bottom of the 2nd division. We went on special trains in our thousands and stones and all sorts rained down on us as soon as we left the station. Walking to the ground was like moving through a waste land ( a bit like Swansea today lol ) and I passed kids with no shoes on their feet. Coming from the ground groups of their fans were asking people the time and piling in as soon as they heard a Welsh accent. In the game itself, we were 4 down well before half time and I swear they could have got 20 if they had not taken their feet off the gas. Derek Showers got a last minute consolation, but 90% of our fans had already left the stadium.

By far the worst was the Scotland game at Anfield. The Jocks were manic that night. They were attacking people at random, including women, and seemed drugged up to their eye balls. I ran a coach from Cardiff and when we got on the kop, which was supposed to be exclusively for our fans, at least two thirds of people were Scottish and the atmospere was poison, Some of the people on the coach actually left before the game even kicked off after witnessing many Scots without tickets jumping over the turnstiles. God knows how many over capacity the stadium was. Eventually, mainly because their was no room for segregation,fighting started and a lot of people got hurt. Most of the rest of my group left at half time as they were petrified, and we sat on the coach praying Scotland won as we really feared for our lives if they didn`t. To this day I have wanted Scotland to lose every time they play, including against England. Thats how evil they were that night.

You know what's really sad here?

The thread's headline suggests a topic on a glorious Welsh victory over England but no mention of the game itself, just the "aggro."

And so the thread continues (with my help of course!!) without a single reference to a game of football!!!

Clearly many on here regard them as halcyon days and although in the past now I can almost see the tears welling up in your eyes at the nostalgia of it all.

Yes, football has changed and reading here just reinforces how good this change has been.

I did i said how good it was to put 1 over on them on thier own patch and then clicked the link on youtube to the following seasons game at ninian park(78) and had to look twice cos couldnt see any grange end terrace just a mound of dirt and the houses behind it,i have never seen this b4 i thort the grange was as old as the ground just reduced in size over the years so i couldnt beleive my eyes when i saw it,can any of the older fans from that era fill me in on this now all the holligan talk as stopped lol