" I ADMIT I MADE MISTAKES"

To those who say thay would like Hammam back, and without letting your hearts rule your heads, one simple question... What would be the benefit to Cardiff City and to us,the supporters?

MMmmmmm let me think oh yehNot having to pay out £5 million in a bonus ??? £5 million that could be used on players ???

I said I had a Seat for him, He said while he was still exiled he cannot come back till late June.

tell im its fancy dress, he can come as a sheep he'd do it to f*cking header

CCFC Worcester, thanks for the superb post.

Some of the detail in your statements are subject to opinion but the sentiments of the mail I wholeheartedly agree with. However, none of the convoluted history detracts from the fact Hammam is a player looking to maximise his return. By converting some of his debt to shares at this time would be a personal gamble, only the City balance sheet would definitely benefit.
Hammam did lie to us (eg I do not know who Langston are) and the constant promoting of him on this board is troubling. He may know football inside out but unfortunately the football world knows him inside out. He is permanently tainted with the local business community and I still fail to see what benefit a return would bring. He is too divisive a figure and I am confident he is not welcome by the majority of fans.

I for one would love to see the bushy eyed fucker back at the club. I've missed him and the club has missed him big time. And I really do hope that he hasn't mellowed out, I liked him the way he was, full of spirit and drive. A lot of people didn't like him because he didn't have time for arse lickers and bull shitters.

Can I put one thing to bed though. When he was forced out of the club there was a lot of things said about Sam and those things still form the basis of peoples bad opinions of him. Well think about it, who was putting those things out? Yes, the bullshit master himself Peter the Riddler! People are saying bad things about Sam and how he "almost" destroyed the club and how he "almost" did this and how he "almost" did that, but all that was just Riddlers spin. Fact is he didn't take the club into court over winding up orders. Sam didn't rip off local businesses. Sam didn't sack the clubs most loyal staff. Sam didn't sponge £100,000 cars out of the club whilst the club shop couldn't afford to put stock on the shelves or fertiliser for the pitch so that the f*cking grass could grow. Sam didn't sell the best footballer to come of Wales since Ryan Giggs for a fraction of his worth.

Yes he made mistakes but the biggest one of all was he allowed that yorkshire fucker in to the club. That is the only mistake he has to apologise for. That mistake has been put right now and I hope Sam doesn't make the same mistake again. I hope he can tell the difference between the people who are loyal and those who are not.

If Sam needs a lift to the club, give me a shout DAY OR NIGHT.

I for one would love to see the bushy eyed fucker back at the club. I've missed him and the club has missed him big time. And I really do hope that he hasn't mellowed out, I liked him the way he was, full of spirit and drive. A lot of people didn't like him because he didn't have time for arse lickers and bull shitters.

Can I put one thing to bed though. When he was forced out of the club there was a lot of things said about Sam and those things still form the basis of peoples bad opinions of him. Well think about it, who was putting those things out? Yes, the bullshit master himself Peter the Riddler! People are saying bad things about Sam and how he "almost" destroyed the club and how he "almost" did this and how he "almost" did that, but all that was just Riddlers spin. Fact is he didn't take the club into court over winding up orders. Sam didn't rip off local businesses. Sam didn't sack the clubs most loyal staff. Sam didn't sponge £100,000 cars out of the club whilst the club shop couldn't afford to put stock on the shelves or fertiliser for the pitch so that the f*cking grass could grow. Sam didn't sell the best footballer to come of Wales since Ryan Giggs for a fraction of his worth.

Yes he made mistakes but the biggest one of all was he allowed that yorkshire fucker in to the club. That is the only mistake he has to apologise for. That mistake has been put right now and I hope Sam doesn't make the same mistake again. I hope he can tell the difference between the people who are loyal and those who are not.

If Sam needs a lift to the club, give me a shout DAY OR NIGHT.

GREAT POST MATE............

CCFC Worcester, thanks for the superb post.

However, none of the convoluted history detracts from the fact Hammam is a player looking to maximise his return.

And what exactly is wrong with that? Yes he wants to make a profit but NOT by asset stripping like this chairman has been doing. Sam wanted the retail part has income for the club. How much do the club get from it now? Zero since those deals between the Riddler and PMG took place. Sam is the type of person who always chases the bigger dream and football gets him bigger kicks than money. Fact is any other business man in his shoes would have run a mile from Cardiff City FC, not him though, he still wants more and you have to give him credit for that.

Hammam did lie to us (eg I do not know who Langston are) and the constant promoting of him on this board is troubling.

What difference does it make who Langston are? I don't know who the f**k the Halifax are exept I owe them a ton of money. When Ridler was faced with the debt (which he's never paid a penny to) he side flanked the issue by asking "who are langston". Next month when my mortgage payment is due I'm going ask "who are Halifax" hopefully you work for them and you'll also will buy that as a reasonable excuse for not paying up.

He may know football inside out but unfortunately the football world knows him inside out. He is permanently tainted with the local business community and I still fail to see what benefit a return would bring. He is too divisive a figure and I am confident he is not welcome by the majority of fans.

Can you tell me the name of one single business that didn't get paid whilst he was at the club? And as for not being wlecomed by the majority of the fans; well I've got a bit more confidence of their ability to see reality over the bullshit spin and hate campaign that Riddler and his trough feeders led against him. Seeing as I have to spell it out - Ridler wanted to take the club from Sam. Do you think he was going to say nice things about Sam? Talk about lies - the day Sam was forced out Riddler announced to the world that the club was now completely debt free andd ALL the money needed for the stadium was "ring fenced and in place".

Outsider, excellent comments, the Riddler stabbed Sam in the Back and then spread lies about him.

so are we all happy to admit that sam is langston then.
because he has always denied it to everybody as far as i am aware
if it shown that he is indeed langston then he has lied through his teeth to people who were close friends of his and also tried to take this club to the brink with the court case.
as i have said in an earlier post sam by a particular action he took made it easy for the club to get rid of him.
the yorkshire tw*t did not have to stab sam in the back

so are we all happy to admit that sam is langston then.
because he has always denied it to everybody as far as i am aware
if it shown that he is indeed langston then he has lied through his teeth to people who were close friends of his and also tried to take this club to the brink with the court case.
as i have said in an earlier post sam by a particular action he took made it easy for the club to get rid of him.
the yorkshire tw*t did not have to stab sam in the back

Steve you are one of my favourite posters on AAMB but there will always be times when I disagree with your point of view.

Personally I can see no problem whether Sam is Langston or Langston is Sam. At the end of the day the £24m (which he has generously reduced to £10m) in loan notes was his money and no-one else's so what does it matter?

The court case in 2008 was totally the fault of the Riddler who seemed to brand Sam in the same bracket as the HMRC in being a creditor who didn't need to be paid.

I would guess that Sam would have accepted then what he has now (£83k per month) and a very expensive court case could have been avoided.

Sam might be an awkward person to deal with, I think that is universally accepted, but that is no excuse for stabbing him in the back and setting him up for a fall. What was needed was an 'honest broker' (which we now seem to have in TG) to bring all sides together to work in the best interests of Cardiff City FC.

If indeed Sam now exchanges shares for debt that has to be a positive advantage for our club and I personally welcome that and his return with open arms.

what we all need is the truth


the truth is out there

so are we all happy to admit that sam is langston then.
because he has always denied it to everybody as far as i am aware
if it shown that he is indeed langston then he has lied through his teeth to people who were close friends of his and also tried to take this club to the brink with the court case.
as i have said in an earlier post sam by a particular action he took made it easy for the club to get rid of him.
the yorkshire tw*t did not have to stab sam in the back

This is the sticky one for me. It appears obvious now that Sam = Langstone. So why the lies and the cover-up?
Why (as you say) take the club to the brink?... To be honest, i wouldnt blame him in a way. He put so much
blood sweat and tears into Cardiff City only to see the eggers and Ridsdale shaft him whilst claiming all credit
for the stadium. If anyone can give me a valid reason why he continually denied being Langstone then I'll be
most pleased. There is no doubt whatsoever that OUR dream was underpinned, nurtured and brought forward
to a stage where there was no going back (the stadium HAD to be built - Sam got us to that point)...There is
no doubt either that OUR dream became Sams dream too, for that I'll always love the feller, he became one of
us!!

I'd love Sam (or anyone) to totally convince me that he was blame free, stitched up and would never have took the
money and watched Cardiff City get wound up.

I'd then love to see him at Wembley with ALL the City fans chanting "OH Lord Sam Hammam"... It would be the
final nail in Ridsdales coffin.

However... we all need to pull together now, from the boardroom right down to the feller who cleans the bogs
in the stadium. How would the other board members react to Sam coming back as the prodigal son? How would
he fit in? Most importantly, as our biggest creditor... how many shares would he get? and what amount of power
would he be ALLOWED to wield in the boardroom?

The refreshing thing for me is that TG and the Malaysians are so obviously on the ball, I dont think we need worry.
Look at whats happening to Ridsdale, did any of us think they'd be able to slash his bonus etc? If Sam comes back
with a fresh slate having convinced all of us of his innocence etc (and I pray he does, cos we all love the fucker)...
then maybe he'll become the new club spokesperson?? Borleys no talker, TG wont say diddly-squat. Maybe Sam will
be the front man for the club again - and what a laugh would that be

"WE WILL BE BIGGER THAN THE UNITED NATIONS"

so are we all happy to admit that sam is langston then.
because he has always denied it to everybody as far as i am aware
if it shown that he is indeed langston then he has lied through his teeth to people who were close friends of his and also tried to take this club to the brink with the court case.
as i have said in an earlier post sam by a particular action he took made it easy for the club to get rid of him.
the yorkshire tw*t did not have to stab sam in the back

Steve you are one of my favourite posters on AAMB but there will always be times when I disagree with your point of view.

Personally I can see no problem whether Sam is Langston or Langston is Sam. At the end of the day the £24m (which he has generously reduced to £10m) in loan notes was his money and no-one else's so what does it matter?

The court case in 2008 was totally the fault of the Riddler who seemed to brand Sam in the same bracket as the HMRC in being a creditor who didn't need to be paid.

tony

this board is all about opinions and not agreeing with peoples opinions is what keeps it going and keeps it fresh.
the point i am trying to get across here is and its illustrated in your post is that back in the day of black friday etc and the events after sam sat down with big sam, gwyn , corky and vince in a pub in nelson and denied that he was langston.
if langston had got a summary judgement against us there would be a good chance our football club would not be here now.
it would now seem on the back of the euphoria sweeping the club that sam is now forgiven for those events.
Tony
steve borley was an hour away from walking away from the football club when sam was chairman because of his dictatorial regime within the boardroom. who would have been the bigger loss bearing in mind the last few months events.
we can agree to disagree over this but sam dug his own grave regarding the club getting rid of him.
i think you will have to wait for steve's book to see what life was with sam as chairman warts and all.
prhaps we can have a chat over this with our prawn sarnies at old trafford

regards

steve

I would guess that Sam would have accepted then what he has now (£83k per month) and a very expensive court case could have been avoided.

Sam might be an awkward person to deal with, I think that is universally accepted, but that is no excuse for stabbing him in the back and setting him up for a fall. What was needed was an 'honest broker' (which we now seem to have in TG) to bring all sides together to work in the best interests of Cardiff City FC.

If indeed Sam now exchanges shares for debt that has to be a positive advantage for our club and I personally welcome that and his return with open arms.

so are we all happy to admit that sam is langston then.
because he has always denied it to everybody as far as i am aware
if it shown that he is indeed langston then he has lied through his teeth to people who were close friends of his and also tried to take this club to the brink with the court case.
as i have said in an earlier post sam by a particular action he took made it easy for the club to get rid of him.
the yorkshire tw*t did not have to stab sam in the back

This is the sticky one for me. It appears obvious now that Sam = Langstone. So why the lies and the cover-up?
Why (as you say) take the club to the brink?... To be honest, i wouldnt blame him in a way. He put so much
blood sweat and tears into Cardiff City only to see the eggers and Ridsdale shaft him whilst claiming all credit
for the stadium. If anyone can give me a valid reason why he continually denied being Langstone then I'll be
most pleased. There is no doubt whatsoever that OUR dream was underpinned, nurtured and brought forward
to a stage where there was no going back (the stadium HAD to be built - Sam got us to that point)...There is
no doubt either that OUR dream became Sams dream too, for that I'll always love the feller, he became one of
us!!

I'd love Sam (or anyone) to totally convince me that he was blame free, stitched up and would never have took the
money and watched Cardiff City get wound up.

I'd then love to see him at Wembley with ALL the City fans chanting "OH Lord Sam Hammam"... It would be the
final nail in Ridsdales coffin.

However... we all need to pull together now, from the boardroom right down to the feller who cleans the bogs
in the stadium. How would the other board members react to Sam coming back as the prodigal son? How would
he fit in? Most importantly, as our biggest creditor... how many shares would he get? and what amount of power
would he be ALLOWED to wield in the boardroom?

The refreshing thing for me is that TG and the Malaysians are so obviously on the ball, I dont think we need worry.
Look at whats happening to Ridsdale, did any of us think they'd be able to slash his bonus etc? If Sam comes back
with a fresh slate having convinced all of us of his innocence etc (and I pray he does, cos we all love the fucker)...
then maybe he'll become the new club spokesperson?? Borleys no talker, TG wont say diddly-squat. Maybe Sam will
be the front man for the club again - and what a laugh would that be

"WE WILL BE BIGGER THAN THE UNITED NATIONS"

taffy

i think we should bring sam back as human resources director and when the riddler needs a reference he will have to go through sam for one.
that should put an end to his football days

I love these debates and done without Sniping

I think Sam knowledge of football would be invaluable to TG, and I would welcome Sam back on board "the dream" after all, it was he who started it all, who plucked us from third division obscurity when no-one else was interested. That said, the welcome is only extended if TG has full control of the reins. Sure, get him on the board, get him to work along side TG, his knowledge of the game and TG's business accumen could be a fantastic pairing!!

I think Sam knowledge of football would be invaluable to TG, and I would welcome Sam back on board "the dream" after all, it was he who started it all, who plucked us from third division obscurity when no-one else was interested. That said, the welcome is only extended if TG has full control of the reins. Sure, get him on the board, get him to work along side TG, his knowledge of the game and TG's business accumen could be a fantastic pairing!!

Correct Greg, Sam's knowledge is 2nd to none regarding Football.

I have nothing against Sam Hammam. I never met him and know nothing about him apart from his reputation in football circles. I said here in the past that it would be an act of spite to refuse him a permanent seat in the stadium and I meant that. I try not to hold grudges. I don't know if our new owners will appreciate being shouted down, which is something he seems inclined to; but, with all this good will floating around --- the elephant in the room that has remained invisible until now has WIMBLEDON FC written on it and it won't go away.


CAL

So i take it most of you want Sam to have the run of the club again, Why not let him have the cheque book etc sign big players, I thought we had all learnt a lesson on over spending at our club. Yes Sam gave us alot but he almost took it away as well cant we just have a bit of stability at the City for once

so are we all happy to admit that sam is langston then.
because he has always denied it to everybody as far as i am aware
if it shown that he is indeed langston then he has lied through his teeth to people who were close friends of his and also tried to take this club to the brink with the court case.
as i have said in an earlier post sam by a particular action he took made it easy for the club to get rid of him.
the yorkshire tw*t did not have to stab sam in the back

This is the sticky one for me. It appears obvious now that Sam = Langstone. So why the lies and the cover-up?
Why (as you say) take the club to the brink?... To be honest, i wouldnt blame him in a way. He put so much
blood sweat and tears into Cardiff City only to see the eggers and Ridsdale shaft him whilst claiming all credit
for the stadium. If anyone can give me a valid reason why he continually denied being Langstone then I'll be
most pleased. There is no doubt whatsoever that OUR dream was underpinned, nurtured and brought forward
to a stage where there was no going back (the stadium HAD to be built - Sam got us to that point)...There is
no doubt either that OUR dream became Sams dream too, for that I'll always love the feller, he became one of
us!!

I'd love Sam (or anyone) to totally convince me that he was blame free, stitched up and would never have took the
money and watched Cardiff City get wound up.

I'd then love to see him at Wembley with ALL the City fans chanting "OH Lord Sam Hammam"... It would be the
final nail in Ridsdales coffin.

However... we all need to pull together now, from the boardroom right down to the feller who cleans the bogs
in the stadium. How would the other board members react to Sam coming back as the prodigal son? How would
he fit in? Most importantly, as our biggest creditor... how many shares would he get? and what amount of power
would he be ALLOWED to wield in the boardroom?

The refreshing thing for me is that TG and the Malaysians are so obviously on the ball, I dont think we need worry.
Look at whats happening to Ridsdale, did any of us think they'd be able to slash his bonus etc? If Sam comes back
with a fresh slate having convinced all of us of his innocence etc (and I pray he does, cos we all love the fucker)...
then maybe he'll become the new club spokesperson?? Borleys no talker, TG wont say diddly-squat. Maybe Sam will
be the front man for the club again - and what a laugh would that be

"WE WILL BE BIGGER THAN THE UNITED NATIONS"

taffy

i think we should bring sam back as human resources director and when the riddler needs a reference he will have to go through sam for one.
that should put an end to his football days

Peter Ridsdales reference:

To Whom it f*cking well may f*cking concern,

Peter Ridsdale was in the employ of Cardiff City FC for some five years. During this time the Club went through
massive change. From being a struggling club wondering where the next penny was coming from to pay the staff,
we turned into a struggling club wondering where the next penny was coming from to pay Peter f*cking Ridsdale
and to put petrol in his club car, and to fund his jaunts, feed cockney chancers and pay off his extraordinary SMS bill.
On the plus side, Cardiff City no longer had to worry about tax bills once Pedo Pete took over the reins. The c**t
just chucked it in a bin marked "Did not notice" and cracked on. He has carried on f*cking spending our f*cking
money till f*cking we are skint!! His missus stinks of camel dung too, the rancid daughter of a Iranian pig farmer.
I feel confident to recommend Pedo to any future employer with deep deep pockets and the brains of a rocking horse.
He was however, very punctual. The second the mail arrived, Peter would be there shaking the postmans hand and
promising him his Xmas tip "next time i see you".. then rushing to the incinerator to dispose of anything with red
writing on it. He was very unpopular amongst the girls in the office annoying them with his magic tricks such as
robbing the sugar out their cup of tea, emptying the tea money jar, making them hang the t bags on the line and even
forcing them to share the same cup.

In summary:

He is the second son of the third b*stard son of a camel dung collecting homosexual Israeli Arab
Children would be safer in the care of Gary Glitter than your finances would be with Ridsdale.
You can tell when the f*cking fucker is f*cking lying... cos he's still breathing.

Regards

Samuel L Hammam HR Cardiff City

Personally I can see no problem whether Sam is Langston or Langston is Sam. At the end of the day the £24m (which he has generously reduced to £10m) in loan notes was his money and no-one else's so what does it matter?

The court case in 2008 was totally the fault of the Riddler who seemed to brand Sam in the same bracket as the HMRC in being a creditor who didn't need to be paid.

Except, from what I read of the court case, that's not the case.

Hammam has continually denied he is Langston, to a lot of people. That scarcely seems credible to anybody. If so, would it not ring alarm bells having perpetuated such a prolonged lie? Wouldn't that erode any trust and respect?

Your second point, AFAIK, is wrong.

Hammam oops Langston wasn't paid because under the terms of the deal, they didn't need to be paid until 2016. Hammam oops Langston tried for a summary judgment to get the debt paid in full immediately, using a technicality, namely that Langston had not been informed the heads of agreement thingy had been signed off. As the judge ruled, given Hammam was acting as intermediary, given it was publicised, it beggared belief Langston weren't aware of that. The ruling, afaik, outlined that whilst Langston were not informed directly - we apparently didn't have contact details for them! - it was such a minor breach as to not warrant a summary judgment being issued, ie the club had a defence, not necessarily one that would win in a full case, but a defence nontheless.

Now, in that case, assuming Hammam = Langston, Hammam tried a cheeky bid to get all the money back immediately - which would have killed the club, no doubt enabling him to pick over the bones and regain control. None of which brings him any credit, regardless of Ridsdale's activities.


IF he was brought back as a director, I'd want him to be there without having any power within the club, any dealings with the financves of the club.

Tony
steve borley was an hour away from walking away from the football club when sam was chairman because of his dictatorial regime within the boardroom. who would have been the bigger loss bearing in mind the last few months events.
we can agree to disagree over this but sam dug his own grave regarding the club getting rid of him.
i think you will have to wait for steve's book to see what life was with sam as chairman warts and all.
prhaps we can have a chat over this with our prawn sarnies at old trafford :lol:

regards

steve

I'll hold you to that

Sam sounds like a man on his way back into the game Annis

And a man who knows he made mistakes and has learned

SAM HAMMAM MY LORD

I would Love him Back

ME TOO!!!!!!!!

Personally I can see no problem whether Sam is Langston or Langston is Sam. At the end of the day the £24m (which he has generously reduced to £10m) in loan notes was his money and no-one else's so what does it matter?

The court case in 2008 was totally the fault of the Riddler who seemed to brand Sam in the same bracket as the HMRC in being a creditor who didn't need to be paid.

Except, from what I read of the court case, that's not the case.

Hammam has continually denied he is Langston, to a lot of people. That scarcely seems credible to anybody. If so, would it not ring alarm bells having perpetuated such a prolonged lie? Wouldn't that erode any trust and respect?

Your second point, AFAIK, is wrong.

Hammam oops Langston wasn't paid because under the terms of the deal, they didn't need to be paid until 2016. Hammam oops Langston tried for a summary judgment to get the debt paid in full immediately, using a technicality, namely that Langston had not been informed the heads of agreement thingy had been signed off. As the judge ruled, given Hammam was acting as intermediary, given it was publicised, it beggared belief Langston weren't aware of that. The ruling, afaik, outlined that whilst Langston were not informed directly - we apparently didn't have contact details for them! - it was such a minor breach as to not warrant a summary judgment being issued, ie the club had a defence, not necessarily one that would win in a full case, but a defence nontheless.

Now, in that case, assuming Hammam = Langston, Hammam tried a cheeky bid to get all the money back immediately - which would have killed the club, no doubt enabling him to pick over the bones and regain control. None of which brings him any credit, regardless of Ridsdale's activities.


IF he was brought back as a director, I'd want him to be there without having any power within the club, any dealings with the financves of the club.

Nerd

Sam might be part of Langston but if just one other person is also part of that consortium then Sam would be wholly right in denying Langston is totally down to him. In the Judgement to which you refer we know there is at least one other known member of Langston Mr Philippe Tischhauser.

With regard to the second part I think it was perfectly reasonable for Sam to worry about his investment when he saw the antics of the Riddler. As I said a deal could have been struck at any time prior to the court case and it would have saved the club £400,000 in legal costs.

Just because the club could mount a defence which was more than frivolous, that doesn’t mean they would have won at the full hearing. Indeed there is always an underlying message in such verdicts and the 2008 summary judgement’s was that the club had until January 2010 to sort its act out with Langston.

Believe me if no agreement had been reached by then Langston could have gone back to court and IMO won quite easily.

I agree that if Sam does return he will do so under the terms of the Malaysians and will answer to them. But in terms of reducing the debt, having him on board would be a masterstroke IMHO.

sam's biggest mistake was bringing the riddler to ninian park
the worst mistake of all

sam's biggest mistake was bringing the riddler to ninian park
the worst mistake of all

That's something we can all agree on.

sam's biggest mistake was bringing the riddler to ninian park
the worst mistake of all

THAT COST HIM HIS CLUB and £22 Million OF Sams own Money.

f**k sam hamman only joking

I would be very happy if he was part of the New Board of Directors

please come back sam you are the man.