' CARDIFF CITY TRAINING GROUND ? '

But, that's doesn't mean he has failed to keep the promise. There's a subtle but very important difference. One is he will not and never intends to and has deliberately mislead the fans, the other means he has of yet has just not fulfilled it yet (which doesn't mean he won't).

Squad investment - check
Training round - being checked
Stadium Expansion - check
Debt to equity - a little more time but being sorted (check)

Yet again, you've failed to realise that he has said himself that he won't be transferring all his debt to equity, which was originally promised.

How many times have we heard that the club will be DEBT FREE WITHIN WEEKS... Yet when he fulfills his "promise" the club will still be around 100 million in debt... Far more than when the man joined the club.

THIS is why people are coming around to see that he isn't the saviour that you paint him to be. Long term, the finances of this club look incredibly bleak.

to be fair the debt level was about 70m when he originally said it.

Alex, Tan certainly has not done debt to equity as promised 2 years ago.

Funnily enough, it's the biggest one of the lot too... The one most people begrudgingly accepted his horrific rebrand for.

Correct Alex, the biggest promise of them all and the most important one and yet some still stick up for him even though he also divided our club and stripped us of our identity. And guess what after all that were a Championship club,with only 14,000 season tickets sold.

Be great if people who run message boards could actually encourage people to get behind the team rather than knock every decision. Imagine the crowds we could get then?

Alex, Tan certainly has not done debt to equity as promised 2 years ago.

Funnily enough, it's the biggest one of the lot too... The one most people begrudgingly accepted his horrific rebrand for.

Correct Alex, the biggest promise of them all and the most important one and yet some still stick up for him even though he also divided our club and stripped us of our identity. And guess what after all that were a Championship club,with only 14,000 season tickets sold.

Be great if people who run message boards could actually encourage people to get behind the team rather than knock every decision. Imagine the crowds we could get then?

Funny enough we do,we're just stating the facts regarding Tan and his false promises.

to be fair the debt level was about 70m when he originally said it.

It's his own fault that he got the club into more debt... But that's besides the point.

At 70million, he said we would be debt free... Yet now after he's done it, we will be in even more debt that when he started?!

Not only that, the fan base are totally split & the club are playing in an alien colour with a massive identity crisis.

Genuinely cannot fathom how anyone sees that as a good thing Paul.

Be great if people who run message boards could actually encourage people to get behind the team rather than knock every decision. Imagine the crowds we could get then?

Natman back to his original agenda... Why isn't Annis allowed his view? You keep demanding the right to post your views and that you shall not be silenced etc... When you are trying to do exactly that to those who disagree with you.

Crazy.

Alex, Tan certainly has not done debt to equity as promised 2 years ago.

Funnily enough, it's the biggest one of the lot too... The one most people begrudgingly accepted his horrific rebrand for.

Correct Alex, the biggest promise of them all and the most important one and yet some still stick up for him even though he also divided our club and stripped us of our identity. And guess what after all that were a Championship club,with only 14,000 season tickets sold.

Be great if people who run message boards could actually encourage people to get behind the team rather than knock every decision. Imagine the crowds we could get then?

Funny enough we do,we're just stating the facts regarding Tan and his false promises.

Nope, just pushing what you want, all the time to create a negative impression. Enough people are seeing through it now though which is a good thing

Be great if people who run message boards could actually encourage people to get behind the team rather than knock every decision. Imagine the crowds we could get then?

Natman back to his original agenda... Why isn't Annis allowed his view? You keep demanding the right to post your views and that you shall not be silenced etc... When you are trying to do exactly that to those who disagree with you.

Crazy.

For some reason Alex I am not allowed my opinion or view as a fan or allowed to state facts.
Certainly an agenda on me

For some reason Alex I am not allowed my opinion or view as a fan or allowed to state facts.
Certainly an agenda on me

Naughty Annis..

Alex, Tan certainly has not done debt to equity as promised 2 years ago.

Funnily enough, it's the biggest one of the lot too... The one most people begrudgingly accepted his horrific rebrand for.

Correct Alex, the biggest promise of them all and the most important one and yet some still stick up for him even though he also divided our club and stripped us of our identity. And guess what after all that were a Championship club,with only 14,000 season tickets sold.

Be great if people who run message boards could actually encourage people to get behind the team rather than knock every decision. Imagine the crowds we could get then?

Funny enough we do,we're just stating the facts regarding Tan and his false promises.

Nope, just pushing what you want, all the time to create a negative impression. Enough people are seeing through it now though which is a good thing

You accepted the stripping of our identity and back Tan,I 100% don't and won't ever accept it,I have pride

Be great if people who run message boards could actually encourage people to get behind the team rather than knock every decision. Imagine the crowds we could get then?

Natman back to his original agenda... Why isn't Annis allowed his view? You keep demanding the right to post your views and that you shall not be silenced etc... When you are trying to do exactly that to those who disagree with you.

Crazy.

For some reason Alex I am not allowed my opinion or view as a fan or allowed to state facts.
Certainly an agenda on me

I was actually discussing things with you, then you stated that all you put out is facts. Which you don't. You keep selective information to yourselves which could sway the argument against your favour, you don't always tell the truth and you don't always get everything correct. No, you don't always hold your hands up to it either.

Now if you wanted to stick to the subject we were talking about then i probably wouldn't have brought this up. But to claim you only put out the facts is fantasy at best.

to be fair the debt level was about 70m when he originally said it.

It's his own fault that he got the club into more debt... But that's besides the point.

At 70million, he said we would be debt free... Yet now after he's done it, we will be in even more debt that when he started?!

Not only that, the fan base are totally split & the club are playing in an alien colour with a massive identity crisis.

Genuinely cannot fathom how anyone sees that as a good thing Paul.

i didnt say it was a good thing, just trying to pre-empt the fuss on here if/when he finally does it, it was never going to be 150 million in the first place.

Alex, Tan certainly has not done debt to equity as promised 2 years ago.

Funnily enough, it's the biggest one of the lot too... The one most people begrudgingly accepted his horrific rebrand for.

Correct Alex, the biggest promise of them all and the most important one and yet some still stick up for him even though he also divided our club and stripped us of our identity. And guess what after all that were a Championship club,with only 14,000 season tickets sold.

Be great if people who run message boards could actually encourage people to get behind the team rather than knock every decision. Imagine the crowds we could get then?

Funny enough we do,we're just stating the facts regarding Tan and his false promises.

Nope, just pushing what you want, all the time to create a negative impression. Enough people are seeing through it now though which is a good thing

You accepted the stripping of our identity and back Tan,I 100% don't and won't ever accept it,I have pride

See, at it again. I doesn't mean I have no pride. That's just a slant you want to put on things to make me look inferior and re-inforce your narrow minded opinion.

Be great if people who run message boards could actually encourage people to get behind the team rather than knock every decision. Imagine the crowds we could get then?

Natman back to his original agenda... Why isn't Annis allowed his view? You keep demanding the right to post your views and that you shall not be silenced etc... When you are trying to do exactly that to those who disagree with you.

Crazy.

For some reason Alex I am not allowed my opinion or view as a fan or allowed to state facts.
Certainly an agenda on me

I was actually discussing things with you, then you stated that all you put out is facts. Which you don't. You keep selective information to yourselves which could sway the argument against your favour, you don't always tell the truth and you don't always get everything correct. No, you don't always hold your hands up to it either.

Now if you wanted to stick to the subject we were talking about then i probably wouldn't have brought this up. But to claim you only put out the facts is fantasy at best.

I do get many things wrong,I do hold my hands up to them, I also do have my opinions,I also do state some facts and I do put all the media news out good or bad. All Facts and I am BLUE

See, at it again. I doesn't mean I have no pride. That's just a slant you want to put on things to make me look inferior and re-inforce your narrow minded opinion.

Where does Annis say you didn't have any pride?!

I've fallen for it again and allowed him to get me in to the same old argument

My mistake I thought this was about the Training complex....


Carry on.

Lets get back on topic.

where gonna have a first class training facility once it gets the go ahead,and it will.You know we're lucky to have a man like VT who gets things done,i know there's a few doom and gloom merchants who's glass is always half empty and they've reared their heads again in this thread.They just can't help themselves.

correct aj lets try again

My mistake I thought this was about the Training complex....


Carry on.

Once again the topic has been twisted for an agenda

Wow two people agreed with me.......

Better go and lay down before I fall down.

My mistake I thought this was about the Training complex....


Carry on.

Once again the topic has been twisted for an agenda

Not at all. Just pointing out this is another promise VT is fulfilling! Training complex looks great and I'm glad VT is at the helm delivering on his promises.

Not all of them though...

For some reason Alex I am not allowed my opinion or view as a fan or allowed to state facts.
Certainly an agenda on me

I despair of this place.

All opinions are allowed but can't they be kept in a thread ABOUT that view. At least then all the posters with an agenda can be repetitive in one place.

Apart from football I love talk about developments all around Cardiff so this thread pushed loads of buttons.

It was NOT about Tan and it was NOT about debt to equity. Just about the training facility.

Another thread to leave now.

For some reason Alex I am not allowed my opinion or view as a fan or allowed to state facts.
Certainly an agenda on me

I despair of this place.

All opinions are allowed but can't they be kept in a thread ABOUT that view. At least then all the posters with an agenda can be repetitive in one place.

Apart from football I love talk about developments all around Cardiff so this thread pushed loads of buttons.

It was NOT about Tan and it was NOT about debt to equity. Just about the training facility.

Another thread to leave now.

Wayne, if you look it was not started by myself viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142327#p1500328

For some reason Alex I am not allowed my opinion or view as a fan or allowed to state facts.
Certainly an agenda on me

I despair of this place.

All opinions are allowed but can't they be kept in a thread ABOUT that view. At least then all the posters with an agenda can be repetitive in one place.

Apart from football I love talk about developments all around Cardiff so this thread pushed loads of buttons.

It was NOT about Tan and it was NOT about debt to equity. Just about the training facility.

Another thread to leave now.

Wayne, if you look it was not started by myself viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142327#p1500328

"Sir sir it was him". Grow up annis

For some reason Alex I am not allowed my opinion or view as a fan or allowed to state facts.
Certainly an agenda on me

I despair of this place.

All opinions are allowed but can't they be kept in a thread ABOUT that view. At least then all the posters with an agenda can be repetitive in one place.

Apart from football I love talk about developments all around Cardiff so this thread pushed loads of buttons.

It was NOT about Tan and it was NOT about debt to equity. Just about the training facility.

Another thread to leave now.

Wayne, if you look it was not started by myself viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142327#p1500328

I thought it was started by Carl and the topic was the Training Ground.

I like to see these topics as well Wayne,it's a positive step and lets be honest the plans look great.CC are moving forward not backwards like we did for so many years.

For some reason Alex I am not allowed my opinion or view as a fan or allowed to state facts.
Certainly an agenda on me

I despair of this place.

All opinions are allowed but can't they be kept in a thread ABOUT that view. At least then all the posters with an agenda can be repetitive in one place.

Apart from football I love talk about developments all around Cardiff so this thread pushed loads of buttons.

It was NOT about Tan and it was NOT about debt to equity. Just about the training facility.

Another thread to leave now.

Wayne, if you look it was not started by myself viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142327#p1500328

"Sir sir it was him". Grow up annis

At it again Nat,tut tut

You did once again change the topic for your agenda.

I will leave it at that

For some reason Alex I am not allowed my opinion or view as a fan or allowed to state facts.
Certainly an agenda on me

I despair of this place.

All opinions are allowed but can't they be kept in a thread ABOUT that view. At least then all the posters with an agenda can be repetitive in one place.

Apart from football I love talk about developments all around Cardiff so this thread pushed loads of buttons.

It was NOT about Tan and it was NOT about debt to equity. Just about the training facility.

Another thread to leave now.

Wayne, if you look it was not started by myself viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142327#p1500328

"Sir sir it was him". Grow up annis

At it again Nat,tut tut

You did once again change the topic for your agenda.

I will leave it at that

And you wonder why more and more are labelling you as having and agenda and this board being pathetic.

Can Twatmans post be deleted an start this again it was a decent thread at the start.

Can Twatmans post be deleted an start this again it was a decent thread at the start.

Still would be if people like you didn't come on throwing insults around.