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Re: Sam Hammam

Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:17 pm

Sam Hammam has had his chance here already and showed whilst he definatly does not lack the enthusiasm and passion for Cardiff, he does seem to lack the financial control needed to run a successful football club, football is now a business after all and should be treated as one.

Nobody can answer the question about an alternative as nobody can know which successful businessmen/women may be interested in either football or Cardiff City.

People only need to look back at his previous stint here and decide if all the good times we all enjoyed were worth not knowing if our club was days away from being gone forever near the end.I wish Warren Feeney was my Dad.
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Are people still under the misconception that sam was going to pu us under or in admin, because they need to get it correct, it was PMG who were threatening us with admin, they were using that threat to force Sam out of the club, it would have been the easy option for sam to go into admin and pick up the pieces for a song as the major creditor, the other legal problem came later when PMg broke the agreement and made themselves prefferential creditors above Langstone, this meant that if they then put the club into admin, they would get their money back and langsstones would have scraps, that was the hold they have held over Sam since he left.

Re: Sam Hammam

Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:21 pm

PMG are the bad guys here and have been clouded by the smoke that surrounded Ridsdale , now he's gone we can ALL see their true colours ! Sam was shafted , end of :ayatollah:

Re: Sam Hammam

Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:26 pm

Ah, so is this all about pay back time? is Sam in collusion with the Malaysians trying to get back in the club and thereby forcing out PMG and the other eggers at the same time. I am not an insider, so don't really know the goings on inside the club, However looking in from the outside it appears there is a power struggle going on in the club and this may be what is happening. There seems to be a concerted effort to get Sam back in the club. Am I wrong?

Re: Sam Hammam

Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:28 pm

Peter Ridsdale was always trying to hide something. He was not even listed as a Director with Companies House. Why?

Re: Sam Hammam

Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:29 pm

the interested parties that love CCFC and football just want whats best for CCFC and football , its now clear that now Riddlers gone that PMG are not interested in CCFC success and IMO have appointed a new CEO who is out of his depth having come from Magners League rugby into Championship Football , sorry Gethin it aint a dig ! :ayatollah:

Re: Sam Hammam

Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:31 pm

i agree we need a football man on board but i think we need to move foward where sam is part of our history

Re: Sam Hammam

Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:03 pm

Sam Hammam is actually in quite a strong position really isnt he? He's the biggest creditor, Langston was owed £24m re-negotiated to £10m with CCFC repaying him £88,888 per month, and the balance paid by Dec 31st 2010?

How much has he received so far since Ridsdale agreed with Langston the terms of repayment?
Answer: Nothing!

Sam Hammam coming back to the club in a FOOTBALL ROLE ONLY would be brilliant, with TG and VT running things business wise, at least we would have a confident, popular and passionate member back on the board.

I dont see why people who keep saying NO TO SAM wouldnt want him back? If he was dealing with football matters only and working along side the malaysians surely that would be a good thing for us ?

Sam would more than likely chuck money into the transfer kitty, backing up the malaysians, unlike the rest of this Eggy board we have! and get things moving.

I'm hoping they would consider looking at Sam as an option and coming to some agreement with his Debt, Board position, and financial input, as well as the stadium naming rights.... where Sam would be entitled to the first £5m as a bonus payment.... maybe that could go back into the club ?

who knows what will happen - but I for one would LOVE to see him back at Cardiff! after being forced out of the club he loves.

Re: Sam Hammam

Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:08 pm

Merlin wrote:Sam Hammam is actually in quite a strong position really isnt he? He's the biggest creditor, Langston was owed £24m re-negotiated to £10m with CCFC repaying him £88,888 per month, and the balance paid by Dec 31st 2010?

How much has he received so far since Ridsdale agreed with Langston the terms of repayment?
Answer: Nothing!

Sam Hammam coming back to the club in a FOOTBALL ROLE ONLY would be brilliant, with TG and VT running things business wise, at least we would have a confident, popular and passionate member back on the board.

I dont see why people who keep saying NO TO SAM wouldnt want him back? If he was dealing with football matters only and working along side the malaysians surely that would be a good thing for us ?

Sam would more than likely chuck money into the transfer kitty, backing up the malaysians, unlike the rest of this Eggy board we have! and get things moving.

I'm hoping they would consider looking at Sam as an option and coming to some agreement with his Debt, Board position, and financial input, as well as the stadium naming rights.... where Sam would be entitled to the first £5m as a bonus payment.... maybe that could go back into the club ?

who knows what will happen - but I for one would LOVE to see him back at Cardiff! after being forced out of the club he loves.


This is a superb post! I whole heartedly agree with your statement about dealing with football matters only and working alongside the Malaysians. I think this would be a great move for Cardiff seeing as Sam had such passion for City to move forward in all aspects. He got so involved, just look at when he went around all the pubs etc drumming up interest in the Club. Yes Ridsdale did his fuckin pathetic talks, but he just talked a load of PR bollox. PR by nature, PR by name.

Re: Sam Hammam

Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:41 pm

Merlin wrote:Sam Hammam is actually in quite a strong position really isnt he? He's the biggest creditor, Langston was owed £24m re-negotiated to £10m with CCFC repaying him £88,888 per month, and the balance paid by Dec 31st 2010?

How much has he received so far since Ridsdale agreed with Langston the terms of repayment?
Answer: Nothing!

Sam Hammam coming back to the club in a FOOTBALL ROLE ONLY would be brilliant, with TG and VT running things business wise, at least we would have a confident, popular and passionate member back on the board.

I dont see why people who keep saying NO TO SAM wouldnt want him back? If he was dealing with football matters only and working along side the malaysians surely that would be a good thing for us ?

Sam would more than likely chuck money into the transfer kitty, backing up the malaysians, unlike the rest of this Eggy board we have! and get things moving.

I'm hoping they would consider looking at Sam as an option and coming to some agreement with his Debt, Board position, and financial input, as well as the stadium naming rights.... where Sam would be entitled to the first £5m as a bonus payment.... maybe that could go back into the club ?

who knows what will happen - but I for one would LOVE to see him back at Cardiff! after being forced out of the club he loves.


Would he really chuck his money into any transfer kitty? How much of his own money did he put in 1st time round?
I thought it was not alot and that most of it was loans which is now the amount outstanding to Langston(Sam?).
For the love of Cardiff City why doesnt he write off the monies we owe to him? If he did, make him honourary chairman or whatever but with no control over the financial side of the club.

Re: Sam Hammam

Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:52 pm

Stavross wrote:
Merlin wrote:Sam Hammam is actually in quite a strong position really isnt he? He's the biggest creditor, Langston was owed £24m re-negotiated to £10m with CCFC repaying him £88,888 per month, and the balance paid by Dec 31st 2010?

How much has he received so far since Ridsdale agreed with Langston the terms of repayment?
Answer: Nothing!

Sam Hammam coming back to the club in a FOOTBALL ROLE ONLY would be brilliant, with TG and VT running things business wise, at least we would have a confident, popular and passionate member back on the board.

I dont see why people who keep saying NO TO SAM wouldnt want him back? If he was dealing with football matters only and working along side the malaysians surely that would be a good thing for us ?

Sam would more than likely chuck money into the transfer kitty, backing up the malaysians, unlike the rest of this Eggy board we have! and get things moving.

I'm hoping they would consider looking at Sam as an option and coming to some agreement with his Debt, Board position, and financial input, as well as the stadium naming rights.... where Sam would be entitled to the first £5m as a bonus payment.... maybe that could go back into the club ?

who knows what will happen - but I for one would LOVE to see him back at Cardiff! after being forced out of the club he loves.


Would he really chuck his money into any transfer kitty? How much of his own money did he put in 1st time round?
I thought it was not alot and that most of it was loans which is now the amount outstanding to Langston(Sam?).
For the love of Cardiff City why doesnt he write off the monies we owe to him? If he did, make him honourary chairman or whatever but with no control over the financial side of the club.


Its still HIS money - the man has a family you know and has to earn a living like the rest of us! Thats like saying - "why doesnt Joe Ledley just sign a contract for £1000 p/week if he loves Cardiff so much"! come on, nobody just works for years and years to earn a living then just blows it all for what ever reason.

Its either him or PMG do something about it - as they are the two biggest creditors! which one do you think is more of a possibility! ;)

Re: Sam Hammam

Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:57 pm

It was 3.8 million to buy the club i believe, and then there was 6million pounds in management fees that he never took and put back in the club. Can you name any others who have put money into the club and had nothing back and are still owned money against an un secured loan that he stood guarantor for.

Yes perhaps he should jsut right the rest of the debt off as a goodwill gesture for the honourable way he's been treated, perhaps some of the other directors will follow his lead as well then.

Re: Sam Hammam

Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:11 pm

Merlin wrote:
Stavross wrote:
Merlin wrote:Sam Hammam is actually in quite a strong position really isnt he? He's the biggest creditor, Langston was owed £24m re-negotiated to £10m with CCFC repaying him £88,888 per month, and the balance paid by Dec 31st 2010?

How much has he received so far since Ridsdale agreed with Langston the terms of repayment?
Answer: Nothing!

Sam Hammam coming back to the club in a FOOTBALL ROLE ONLY would be brilliant, with TG and VT running things business wise, at least we would have a confident, popular and passionate member back on the board.

I dont see why people who keep saying NO TO SAM wouldnt want him back? If he was dealing with football matters only and working along side the malaysians surely that would be a good thing for us ?

Sam would more than likely chuck money into the transfer kitty, backing up the malaysians, unlike the rest of this Eggy board we have! and get things moving.

I'm hoping they would consider looking at Sam as an option and coming to some agreement with his Debt, Board position, and financial input, as well as the stadium naming rights.... where Sam would be entitled to the first £5m as a bonus payment.... maybe that could go back into the club ?

who knows what will happen - but I for one would LOVE to see him back at Cardiff! after being forced out of the club he loves.


Would he really chuck his money into any transfer kitty? How much of his own money did he put in 1st time round?
I thought it was not alot and that most of it was loans which is now the amount outstanding to Langston(Sam?).
For the love of Cardiff City why doesnt he write off the monies we owe to him? If he did, make him honourary chairman or whatever but with no control over the financial side of the club.


Its still HIS money - the man has a family you know and has to earn a living like the rest of us! Thats like saying - "why doesnt Joe Ledley just sign a contract for £1000 p/week if he loves Cardiff so much"! come on, nobody just works for years and years to earn a living then just blows it all for what ever reason.

Its either him or PMG do something about it - as they are the two biggest creditors! which one do you think is more of a possibility! ;)


I understand he's not like Abramovich and he cant write off millions, my previous comment was a bit tounge in cheek.

I don't want him back as I don't think we need him. Do you think that he would be happy to accept chairmans role focused on the football side? Particularly if he did agree to invest any further money or write down any monies owed. No. He would want some form of financial control and again this could spell disaster like the first time.

I don't think the situation has changed really, we've got a new CEO, who doesnt want to hog the limelight and seems intent on sorting out the problems at the club in a positive manner.

Why has this sudden push for Sam to come back happend????

Re: Sam Hammam

Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:24 pm

Zabier wrote:No thanks. He is part of the club's history. We need to move forward, not backwards.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Sam Hammam

Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:52 pm

Zabier wrote:No thanks. He is part of the club's history. We need to move forward, not backwards.



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Re: Sam Hammam

Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:01 pm

We've got a new CEO who knows f**k all about football. Is removing merchandise from shops for no apparent reason? is ignoring sensible emails and phone calls. Is intent on blaming other people bar himself for mistakes, and is dishonest with the fans....

I'd rather Sam over these Eggheads anyday! Does anyone except for Dave Jones and Steve Borley care about Cardiff City more than making a few bucks?

Re: Sam Hammam

Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:51 pm

The last time I saw Sam (many years ago) he looked like he was at death's door . Would he even be able to run a club now ?

Re: Sam Hammam

Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:59 pm

The club only came alive when Sam came here. He'd inject a bit of fire into the club as we sing "we want Sam Hammam walking round the pitch"