So it's true

Read the BBC statement they have quotes from Gethin stating it.

Sorry Gwyn , but they don`t.

The quote from Jenkins says that there is a winding up petition lodged ,which he says will be lifted by paying the tax bill this week ( an important test for him and very embarassing for him if it doesn`t happen).

But there is no quote saying an embargo is in place at all.The article says the club admits there WAS an embargo in place prior to the previous HMRC claim being paid off and then goes on to say that a new one is now in place - but that is the BBC interpretation not anything the club is quoted on.

Again I think this article shows how easy it is to read into things what we all wish to - I am as guilty of it as anyone else at times - rather than what it actually says. In the world of following CCFC it just happens to occur more often and become more emotional with us than elsewhere.

Keith

Keith, The Club were asked yesterday did we have an Embargo by Terry Phillips and they refused to comment on it, just saying we will pay the Tax bill, I have just spoke to Terry and we have got an Embargo until we pay the Tax.

Since 62, just because the Trust have not been informed or Gethin Jenkins never told them anything please do not feel hard done by

Keith, The Club were asked yesterday did we have an Embargo by Terry Phillips and they refused to comment on it, just saying we will pay the Tax bill, I have just spoke to Terry and we have got an Embargo until we pay the Tax.

That`s exactly what I mean Annis. The club have NOT said it is subject to an embargo , the League have a policy of never confirming or denying such things , so all we have is Terry`s comment to go on. Hardly concrete evidence is it? If Terry were to print a story with quotes or documents from either the club or the League it would be far more believable.

I know this argument has run for a time (probably for too long now to be honest) , but I really feel there is a great risk in taking something as fact based on evidence as flimsy as "Terry says so".Like me , you have also been critical of him and his colleagues at Media Wales in the past for lazy journalism , often just lifting stories off this or Mike`s messageboard without checking out their accuracy.

One thing I would say though is that it would help the club no end if it just came out and say "there is no embargo in place".Failure to do so is allowing the opposite view (which may be correct) to grow.

Keith

Read the BBC statement they have quotes from Gethin stating it.

Gwyn there are some people who will try and deny no matter what, some of these people prob think grass is the colour blue.

The BBC statement attributed to GJ does not mention a transfer embargo it only mentions the HMRC driven process for applying to the High Court for a winding up order.

Has the Football League instigated a transfer embargo against CCFC probably yes but if this is the case then why have they allowed PNE, again a club in trouble with HMRC and facing a new WUO application, to sign players. Why is CCFC different?

If you compare our position to that of Portsmouth it raises even bigger questions as HMRC still claim that club owes them £34m. The recent creditors meeting voted in favour of the CVA put together by their administrator and within that proposal the HMRC debt was set at a total of £17m which removed any chance of HMRC being able to veto any agreement to the CVA.

The administrator was put in place by the clubs biggest secured creditor and you have to ask yourself exactly whose interest was he working for. At the meeting on 17th June HMRC voted against the agreement which will see them receive at best £3.5m sometime over the next 5 years. HMRC still maintain the debt is £34m so this agreement will see them lose out on £30m and have to wait 5 years to get anything, HMRC are considering an appeal and if this is successful will mean the CVA will be defeated. In the meantime Portsmouth remain in administration after the date this seasons fixtures are issued, under FL rules they should now suffer a points deduction anyone seen anything on this.

This is an important time of the season and whilst we all know and understand we have serious cashflow problems I hope we will all agree our new owners are honourable men and they WILL PAY this debt.

IMO this is another example of the lack of leadership and experience in the club as someone should be onto the Football League and reminding them of the Portsmouth & Preston situations, at the same time if we as a club TRUELY believe that this debt will be paid by a given date, say this Friday, then talk to HMRC and get their agreement to hold on any action. That way the FL would have no reason AT ALL not to accept any registration document.

But that's the whole point about why we are where we are poor leadership and a lack of ownership, the whole thing makes me want to scream.

I remember reading on here and ccmb last season when certain people denied the transfer embargo no matter what and even defended the riddler, you know who you are lol

A question for you since 62 .

Are you saying there is not one, yes or no ?

Since 62, just because the Trust have not been informed or Gethin Jenkins never told them anything please do not feel hard done by

I don`t at all.

I would just rather base my views on facts rather than rumour.

Time may well prove that those rumours are true , but until then I would rather take a balanced view.

Keith

Keith, The Club were asked yesterday did we have an Embargo by Terry Phillips and they refused to comment on it, just saying we will pay the Tax bill, I have just spoke to Terry and we have got an Embargo until we pay the Tax.

That`s exactly what I mean Annis. The club have NOT said it is subject to an embargo , the League have a policy of never confirming or denying such things , so all we have is Terry`s comment to go on. Hardly concrete evidence is it? If Terry were to print a story with quotes or documents from either the club or the League it would be far more believable.

I know this argument has run for a time (probably for too long now to be honest) , but I really feel there is a great risk in taking something as fact based on evidence as flimsy as "Terry says so".Like me , you have also been critical of him and his colleagues at Media Wales in the past for lazy journalism , often just lifting stories off this or Mike`s messageboard without checking out their accuracy.

One thing I would say though is that it would help the club no end if it just came out and say "there is no embargo in place".Failure to do so is allowing the opposite view (which may be correct) to grow.

Keith

If I was the CHIEF EXECUTIVE of our club and WE DEF NEVER HAD AN EMBARGO ON US, I WOULD BE SPEAKING OUT . If The Echo were spreading lies and the BBC and The Western Mail I would demand they change it,Surely would you not Keith ?

A question for you since 62 .

Are you saying there is not one, yes or no ?

I am saying I don`t know because no-one in a position to confirm or deny it has said so.

But I am not willing to say there is one just because Terry Philips says so.

I have just spoken to Steve Borleys Best Friend Steve Davies and HE HAS CONFIRMED TO ME THERE IS AN EMBARGO ON OUR CLUB.

you can see what will happen cant u , CCFC will pay the tax bill and the embargo will be lifted . They will then deny there ever was 1

Keith, The Club were asked yesterday did we have an Embargo by Terry Phillips and they refused to comment on it, just saying we will pay the Tax bill, I have just spoke to Terry and we have got an Embargo until we pay the Tax.

That`s exactly what I mean Annis. The club have NOT said it is subject to an embargo , the League have a policy of never confirming or denying such things , so all we have is Terry`s comment to go on. Hardly concrete evidence is it? If Terry were to print a story with quotes or documents from either the club or the League it would be far more believable.

I know this argument has run for a time (probably for too long now to be honest) , but I really feel there is a great risk in taking something as fact based on evidence as flimsy as "Terry says so".Like me , you have also been critical of him and his colleagues at Media Wales in the past for lazy journalism , often just lifting stories off this or Mike`s messageboard without checking out their accuracy.

One thing I would say though is that it would help the club no end if it just came out and say "there is no embargo in place".Failure to do so is allowing the opposite view (which may be correct) to grow.

Keith

If I was the CHIEF EXECUTIVE of our club and WE DEF NEVER HAD AN EMBARGO ON US, I WOULD BE SPEAKING OUT . If The Echo were spreading lies and the BBC and The Western Mail I would demand they change it,Surely would you not Keith ?

I said that Annis - the CEO should be making a definitive statement on what the position is.Not doing so is causing doubt and concern.

I don`t suggest the Echo are deliberately spreading lies , just that they are making claims which they can`t prove and/or are just copying other people`s stories and reprinting them.

What I think will happen this week is that the new tax debt will be paid off , then an official statement will be released saying that it has and that the winding up petition is no longer in force and that therefore a transfer embargo is not an issue (but they may steer clear of saying whether it is an issue before then).

Keith

you can see what will happen cant u , CCFC will pay the tax bill and the embargo will be lifted . They will then deny there ever was 1

You got in before me Martyn

you can see what will happen cant u , CCFC will pay the tax bill and the embargo will be lifted . They will then deny there ever was 1

You got in before me Martyn

Correct thats exactly what will happen

we'd make a good CEO / CCFC press or media officer between us then ?

we'd make a good CEO / CCFC press or media officer between us then ?

dont forget me

Keith, can I give my honest humble opinion here. When the Trust came about I thought it a great thing and that's why I joined it, but in recent times it's taken one hell of a bashing. Much of that wasn't their fault to be fair, they were duped by Ridsdale and Flitcroft who were extremely economical with the truth. I don't think it would have mattered who had meetings with those two they would have been duped as well so I don't think anyone at the Trust should take it personally in any way.

Most of the damage to the Trust was done when things started to emerge and rather than act the Trust resembled the Judean Peoples Front, just making meeting after meeting which only decided to have another meeting. This climaxed in the same way where the JPF approached the crucified Brian and read him a strongly worded letter.

When the Ridsdale regime were outed, the Trust's credibility was in total tatters and had a lot of hard graft to do to start rebuilding that "Trust" if you like. Remembering that this is just my opinion of things but I think that a lot of people agree with me on this. Whether you agree or not doesn't really matter, it's the people like me that matter to your organisation.

Last Friday Gwyn, and I asked the Trust to ask the question about an embargo. To be fair the club was then asked in very good faith and they replied with a "NO". That response was put on here, again in very good faith. Now, again this is my opinion, but I think the only reason you are in denial about this embargo is because if there is one then the club lied to you and made you look like mugs - again! Not a good thing when you are trying to rebuild trust.

It also appears to me that you are in some ways afraid to confront the club in case you are forfeted in some way. You seem to care more about raising communications even if they are false ones. Again these are not just my feelings but feelings of others who've grown weiry of the Trust.

Look Keith, on this embargo, trust me there is an embargo. No ifs or whys, no official statements. There's an embargo, live with it. How do I know? The BBC are reporting it, the media are reporting it along with everyone else. Do you honestly think that the FA is that water tight? Anyway, if you are walking down the street and you look up to water droplets hitting you in the face then it's raining. You don't need a statement off Derek, it's rain plain and simple. Even if you go home and Derek says that it wasn't raining, it was because it hit you in the face.

As for your posts regarding Terry Phillips and Steve Tucker. Do you think they only get their articles off mb's? I would think they would find that rather insulting. What is probably closer to the truth is they take leads off these mb's and then make a few phone calls to see if there's any truth in it. Give Steve and Terry a call yourself and ask them personally how they are so sure there's an embargo. Regardless of that I don't think the BBC would make reports based solely on those two journos reports. I'll bet you a bacon sandwich that there is an embargo, but don't bother reaching for brown sauce Keith.

Read the BBC statement they have quotes from Gethin stating it.

ACtually Gwyn, not the way I read it

Quote ''As is normal procedure, if PAYE isn't paid then HMRC are fully entitled to lodge a petition," said Jenkins.

"Cardiff City Football Club fully expect to pay monies owed in the forthcoming week, following which the petition will naturally be withdrawn.

"This hurdle all forms part of the ongoing process of getting the club on a sound business and financial footing."


Nothing about an embargo in his statement whatso-ever. the BBC correspondent writing the article seems to be assuming that the HMRC petition = an immediate embargo.

Is this the case ? I don't know, and unfortunately don't have the time to research it - although last time I tried I found nothing conclusive.

EVEN THE BBC ARE NOW SPOUTING THIS RUBBISH THEN.

Is this a fact?

Do you definitly know?

Has it been confirmed?

Do you have proof?

Can you show us the written confirmation?

Who told you this?

Why haven't the club told the Trust first?

Where did you get your information?

I will stick my neck out at this moment THERE IS AN EMBARGO ON US and SIGNINGS WILL NOT HAPPEN TILL WE PAY THE TAX MAN.

I still dont understand who's paying this bill ?

Is it TG and VT AGAIN!!

Keith, can I give my honest humble opinion here. When the Trust came about I thought it a great thing and that's why I joined it, but in recent times it's taken one hell of a bashing. Much of that wasn't their fault to be fair, they were duped by Ridsdale and Flitcroft who were extremely economical with the truth. I don't think it would have mattered who had meetings with those two they would have been duped as well so I don't think anyone at the Trust should take it personally in any way.

Most of the damage to the Trust was done when things started to emerge and rather than act the Trust resembled the Judean Peoples Front, just making meeting after meeting which only decided to have another meeting. This climaxed in the same way where the JPF approached the crucified Brian and read him a strongly worded letter.

When the Ridsdale regime were outed, the Trust's credibility was in total tatters and had a lot of hard graft to do to start rebuilding that "Trust" if you like. Remembering that this is just my opinion of things but I think that a lot of people agree with me on this. Whether you agree or not doesn't really matter, it's the people like me that matter to your organisation.

Last Friday Gwyn, and I asked the Trust to ask the question about an embargo. To be fair the club was then asked in very good faith and they replied with a "NO". That response was put on here, again in very good faith. Now, again this is my opinion, but I think the only reason you are in denial about this embargo is because if there is one then the club lied to you and made you look like mugs - again! Not a good thing when you are trying to rebuild trust.

It also appears to me that you are in some ways afraid to confront the club in case you are forfeted in some way. You seem to care more about raising communications even if they are false ones. Again these are not just my feelings but feelings of others who've grown weiry of the Trust.

Look Keith, on this embargo, trust me there is an embargo. No ifs or whys, no official statements. There's an embargo, live with it. How do I know? The BBC are reporting it, the media are reporting it along with everyone else. Do you honestly think that the FA is that water tight? Anyway, if you are walking down the street and you look up to water droplets hitting you in the face then it's raining. You don't need a statement off Derek, it's rain plain and simple. Even if you go home and Derek says that it wasn't raining, it was because it hit you in the face.

As for your posts regarding Terry Phillips and Steve Tucker. Do you think they only get their articles off mb's? I would think they would find that rather insulting. What is probably closer to the truth is they take leads off these mb's and then make a few phone calls to see if there's any truth in it. Give Steve and Terry a call yourself and ask them personally how they are so sure there's an embargo. Regardless of that I don't think the BBC would make reports based solely on those two journos reports. I'll bet you a bacon sandwich that there is an embargo, but don't bother reaching for brown sauce Keith.

Damn good post !!! If there is no embargo then surely the Club would want everyone to know it ?

EVEN THE BBC ARE NOW SPOUTING THIS RUBBISH THEN.

Is this a fact?

Do you definitly know?

Has it been confirmed?

Do you have proof?

Can you show us the written confirmation?

Who told you this?

Why haven't the club told the Trust first?

Where did you get your information?

Gwyn, you seem to be posting this in answer to anything at the moment. - I'd actually deleted the post I'd made as when i read the thread in full I'd seen the point had already been made- mysteriously it re-appeared, so apologies for repeating what had already been said.

Surely you of all people would realise that we shouldn't take any statement without question.

If it is true then it will soon be proven to be so.

Don't forget no-one even mentioned an embargo, or even a problem with HMRC until Mario Risoli reported it on Sunday.

The BBC thing could just be a re-hash of other reports, what's more concenring to me is that nothing has come out of the club denying it, which suggests that either, a. there is an embargo, or b. we ar eon the verge of it.

Either way. as before with no money there won't be signings anyway.

Read the BBC statement they have quotes from Gethin stating it.

Gwyn there are some people who will try and deny no matter what, some of these people prob think grass is the colour blue.