' DOES IT REALLY MATTER? '

15k on Sunday I am sure we will see Richards respond as he should do. If not the guy has not got a long term career with us. It's that simple whether you agree with the ayatollah or not. There is clearly enough to supporters that this means a lot.

If I had a choice between Jazz Richards doing the or playing well then I would take the latter every time.

He is a professional and providing he does his professional job correctly then I'm happy. If he decides to do the then I would be even happier

Spot on, Tony

I'm bemused by the blatant lies being told that Jazz Richards didn't react to fans throughout (or after) the game because he certainly did and I'm equally perplexed that they have now made his home debut a potential nightmare if he doesn't run out of the tunnel with his arms flapping like a Humming Bee's wings above his head!

Chris,

I believe it matters that a player wearing a City shirt bonds with his fans and one way of doing that is by 'Doing the Ayatollah', he hasn't been asked to kiss the badge or hold up a flag saying 'f**k off Swansea', so I see no reason why a player would not want to be as one with the fans.

Regarding his home debut, if as some have said that he halfheartedly did the 'ayatollah' yesterday then his home debut will be just fine when he does the ayatollah on Sunday against QPR because we all know he will be asked to do it.

Personally I didn't see him do it yesterday though.

I am sure all will be good on Sunday.

Carl, I really hope all is good on Sunday and the City fans give him a break

I do agree with you that it bonds players with the fans and given that he's a Cardiff player now (he made that choice) and I see no real reason why he wouldn't do the Ayatollah

However, I stand by my opinion that it was his debut and he appeared to be concentrating on his game rather than the supporters who did request he do it a a few inopportune moments when his concentration may have been on the game. A lot of people around me agreed and were tutting at the (pretty limited) abuse he then received before it went viral at half-time

We all see things differently but some of the vitriol on the thread is way OTT and coming from those that weren't even there is worse again

I did see you and tried to get you attention on the coach as you were waiting to depart, but I guess you saw me first! LOL

For me it does yes, it shows that we have accepted him and his refusal would show he hasn't accepted us. Read on here though from a few posters they actually saw him do it so there's no real issue. If he did then I apologise for calling him a Wanker

If I had a choice between Jazz Richards doing the or playing well then I would take the latter every time.

He is a professional and providing he does his professional job correctly then I'm happy. If he decides to do the then I would be even happier

Spot on, Tony

I'm bemused by the blatant lies being told that Jazz Richards didn't react to fans throughout (or after) the game because he certainly did and I'm equally perplexed that they have now made his home debut a potential nightmare if he doesn't run out of the tunnel with his arms flapping like a Humming Bee's wings above his head!

Chris,

I believe it matters that a player wearing a City shirt bonds with his fans and one way of doing that is by 'Doing the Ayatollah', he hasn't been asked to kiss the badge or hold up a flag saying 'f**k off Swansea', so I see no reason why a player would not want to be as one with the fans.

Regarding his home debut, if as some have said that he halfheartedly did the 'ayatollah' yesterday then his home debut will be just fine when he does the ayatollah on Sunday against QPR because we all know he will be asked to do it.

Personally I didn't see him do it yesterday though.

I am sure all will be good on Sunday.

Carl, I really hope all is good on Sunday and the City fans give him a break

I do agree with you that it bonds players with the fans and given that he's a Cardiff player now (he made that choice) and I see no real reason why he wouldn't do the Ayatollah

However, I stand by my opinion that it was his debut and he appeared to be concentrating on his game rather than the supporters who did request he do it a a few inopportune moments when his concentration may have been on the game. A lot of people around me agreed and were tutting at the (pretty limited) abuse he then received before it went viral at half-time

We all see things differently but some of the vitriol on the thread is way OTT and coming from those that weren't even there is worse again

I did see you and tried to get you attention on the coach as you were waiting to depart, but I guess you saw me first! LOL

Sorry Chris, I didn't see you mate

Will say hello on Sunday

As they say, Football without fans is nothing, and Jazz should have respected his supporters by doing this simple gesture to show solidarity with those who are supporting him and the club he is playing for that pays his wages.

To say that he would not do it as it would show a sign of disrespect to Swansea, his home town and those from it is nonsensical as there is no greater disrespect than signing for said rivals in the first place and doing the ayatollah would not make a difference.

In answer to the question, Yes it most certainly does matter, to what degree obviously depends to the person.

Annis does it matter about the Ayatollah ? Well no not really as you have never done that ritual either.
Does it matter we have a Proud Jack in our team who clearly doesn't even like the Club ? Yes hell,it matters. It seems nowadays it doesn't matter it's all about success. The very same reason many excepted the re brand was because of success means more than pride and history. Now I believe Jazz is a very good player in the making but him being here just does not sit right considering his loyalties. Call it backwards and those that say the rivalry between our two Clubs is petty and now outdated.
But there is the rivalry and that's the way we like it, yes I have some mates who are Swansea and they still hate Cardiff and I still hate them and we would not have it any other way. We argue like crap over past meetings but hey that's the way it is.
Jazz I got told didn't even want to come here but it was his agent that pushed for it, if true or not I'm unsure but one thing he has now stated his loyalties and I can't see anywhere for him to go now.
Some have stated the Wales feel good factor but that is Wales and now it's back to domestic football and I hope only bad things for Williams and co. I wish for them to implode and they feel the same about us.
So does success for some include ever excepting say Lee Trundle, Williams, or that tw*t Shellvey ? Would you go that low to get the success you want ?
Recently there has been very little connection to the team and I thought that was about to change, but now we have a Cardiff hating player here and it looks like he doesn't even want to be here.
The Club the player the greedy agent has fecked up and it's time they sort this mess out for the Clubs sake the fans sake and the player himself.

Not at all. The ayatollah sold out when sam hamman took over.
Judge him on his football not on the fact he can slap himself on the head.

Not at all. The ayatollah sold out when sam hamman took over.
Judge him on his football not on the fact he can slap himself on the head.

It doesn't matter he didn't slap his head as you put it. The fact he is a proud Jack still does matter and for that reason he can't stay.

If I had a choice between Jazz Richards doing the or playing well then I would take the latter every time.

He is a professional and providing he does his professional job correctly then I'm happy. If he decides to do the then I would be even happier

Spot on, Tony

I'm bemused by the blatant lies being told that Jazz Richards didn't react to fans throughout (or after) the game because he certainly did and I'm equally perplexed that they have now made his home debut a potential nightmare if he doesn't run out of the tunnel with his arms flapping like a Humming Bee's wings above his head!

Chris,

I believe it matters that a player wearing a City shirt bonds with his fans and one way of doing that is by 'Doing the Ayatollah', he hasn't been asked to kiss the badge or hold up a flag saying 'f**k off Swansea', so I see no reason why a player would not want to be as one with the fans.

Regarding his home debut, if as some have said that he halfheartedly did the 'ayatollah' yesterday then his home debut will be just fine when he does the ayatollah on Sunday against QPR because we all know he will be asked to do it.

Personally I didn't see him do it yesterday though.

I am sure all will be good on Sunday.

Carl, I really hope all is good on Sunday and the City fans give him a break

I do agree with you that it bonds players with the fans and given that he's a Cardiff player now (he made that choice) and I see no real reason why he wouldn't do the Ayatollah

However, I stand by my opinion that it was his debut and he appeared to be concentrating on his game rather than the supporters who did request he do it a a few inopportune moments when his concentration may have been on the game. A lot of people around me agreed and were tutting at the (pretty limited) abuse he then received before it went viral at half-time

We all see things differently but some of the vitriol on the thread is way OTT and coming from those that weren't even there is worse again

I did see you and tried to get you attention on the coach as you were waiting to depart, but I guess you saw me first! LOL

Sorry Chris, I didn't see you mate

Will say hello on Sunday

I know, mate. It was a bit manic out there as we all tried to escape! LOL

I was talking to a former colleague who was on your bus. Hopefully see you Sunday and looking to travel to a few with you now life is settling back down

Can someone change the headline of this thread to....
HAS JIZZ SHOT HIS LOAD AT CARDIFF ?
I will get my coat and hat and quietly leave

tbh it doesn't really borther me one bit,but for me he had poor match the winger had him in his pocket and for his own sake i think he should have done it he would have had the fans on his side even after 2 of our players told him to do it he refused if i'm honest i thought he was a bit stupid

If I had a choice between Jazz Richards doing the or playing well then I would take the latter every time.

He is a professional and providing he does his professional job correctly then I'm happy. If he decides to do the then I would be even happier

Spot on, Tony

I'm bemused by the blatant lies being told that Jazz Richards didn't react to fans throughout (or after) the game because he certainly did and I'm equally perplexed that they have now made his home debut a potential nightmare if he doesn't run out of the tunnel with his arms flapping like a Humming Bee's wings above his head!

Chris, I'm suprised you call yourself a city fan and mock one of our traditions. One that myself and many other fans feel extremely proud about. It's part of what makes us Cardiff.

This obviously explains why you've taken your stance over the situation because you think the ayatollah itself is a joke.

Ultimately it's up to him. I'm sure the Ayatollah causes offence to all sorts of communities, not just Swansea fans. Perhaps it's time to slowly let it disappear- it's a relic of the old days after all. Abusing the boy for standing up for his beliefs is not on - he's entitled to his own opinion. I just want him to play well. True fans will certainly not boo him.

Quite right. History. In the past.


No way should the ayatollah die. It's no relic it's a massive part of history.

Ultimately it's up to him. I'm sure the Ayatollah causes offence to all sorts of communities, not just Swansea fans. Perhaps it's time to slowly let it disappear- it's a relic of the old days after all. Abusing the boy for standing up for his beliefs is not on - he's entitled to his own opinion. I just want him to play well. True fans will certainly not boo him.

No way should the ayatollah die. It's no relic it's a massive part of history.

Supporters think it's fun. I do it myself. I bet our Muslim players wouldn't like to do it though.

I see someone on this thread has said that this is a massive part of our history. Not a massive part of mine and as I have said elsewhere it did'nt exist for the first thirty years that I followed this club. I don't consider something that only became part of this club twenty or so years back to be a massive part of our history, and I won't be getting myself all worked up just because someone decides not to slap themselves across the head.

If I had a choice between Jazz Richards doing the or playing well then I would take the latter every time.

He is a professional and providing he does his professional job correctly then I'm happy. If he decides to do the then I would be even happier

Spot on, Tony

I'm bemused by the blatant lies being told that Jazz Richards didn't react to fans throughout (or after) the game because he certainly did and I'm equally perplexed that they have now made his home debut a potential nightmare if he doesn't run out of the tunnel with his arms flapping like a Humming Bee's wings above his head!

Chris, I'm suprised you call yourself a city fan and mock one of our traditions. One that myself and many other fans feel extremely proud about. It's part of what makes us Cardiff.

This obviously explains why you've taken your stance over the situation because you think the ayatollah itself is a joke.

With total respect, I think you misinterpret my intentions and I can't see where I've demeaned 'The Ayatollah' itself in any of my posts on this subject

I apologise if that was how it was perceived but the comment you refer to was stated in a way that referred more to the over-expectations of some fans (it's their vitriol on the subject that has annoyed me most) than the actual act itself, which is unique to our club and its supporters

Like you, I've done 'The Ayatollah' at appropriate moments but I've never seen fans 'have a go' at a player in this fashion before other than the odd jocular 'boo' when they don't respond

It wasn't the big deal some now say it was at the game. It only became so when a number of members (many of whom weren't there) immediately ripped into to the OP's post with expletive-laden abuse; with some of those providing total mis-information and jumping on a bandwagon

One guy on here today stated as fact that Richards told his friends in Swansea all summer that he "will never" do the Ayatollah. Well, firstly he didn't know he was coming here "all summer", and secondly he actually did it in front of us yesterday (some report at least twice); so that theory is blown out of the water!

We all want out players to 'Do the Ayatollah' in order to forge a bond between players and fans but are we seriously going to crucify the guy on his first outing in a Bluebird shirt before giving him a chance to 'learn the ropes'?

As a life-long Cardiff City FC fan, I certainly hope not and look to Sunday's game versus QPR when he will be given a fair chance to put the whole situation right in front of 15,000 witnesses

If I had a choice between Jazz Richards doing the or playing well then I would take the latter every time.

He is a professional and providing he does his professional job correctly then I'm happy. If he decides to do the then I would be even happier

Spot on, Tony

I'm bemused by the blatant lies being told that Jazz Richards didn't react to fans throughout (or after) the game because he certainly did and I'm equally perplexed that they have now made his home debut a potential nightmare if he doesn't run out of the tunnel with his arms flapping like a Humming Bee's wings above his head!

Chris, I'm suprised you call yourself a city fan and mock one of our traditions. One that myself and many other fans feel extremely proud about. It's part of what makes us Cardiff.

This obviously explains why you've taken your stance over the situation because you think the ayatollah itself is a joke.

With total respect, I think you misinterpret my intentions and I can't see where I've demeaned 'The Ayatollah' itself in any of my posts on this subject

I apologise if that was how it was perceived but the comment you refer to was stated in a way that referred more to the over-expectations of some fans (it's their vitriol on the subject that has annoyed me most) than the actual act itself, which is unique to our club and its supporters

Like you, I've done 'The Ayatollah' at appropriate moments but I've never seen fans 'have a go' at a player in this fashion before other than the odd jocular 'boo' when they don't respond

It wasn't the big deal some now say it was at the game. It only became so when a number of members (many of whom weren't there) immediately ripped into to the OP's post with expletive-laden abuse; with some of those providing total mis-information and jumping on a bandwagon

One guy on here today stated as fact that Richards told his friends in Swansea all summer that he "will never" do the Ayatollah. Well, firstly he didn't know he was coming here "all summer", and secondly he actually did it in front of us yesterday (some report at least twice); so that theory is blown out of the water!

We all want out players to 'Do the Ayatollah' in order to forge a bond between players and fans but are we seriously going to crucify the guy on his first outing in a Bluebird shirt before giving him a chance to 'learn the ropes'?

As a life-long Cardiff City FC fan, I certainly hope not and look to Sunday's game versus QPR when he will be given a fair chance to put the whole situation right in front of 15,000 witnesses

Could'nt have put it any better myself Sven.

What gets me is your all complaining about us moaning that he never done a club tradition but didn't batter an eye lid when half the crowed boo'd a club legend, Peter Whittingham off the pitch after 30 odd minutes and praised Ole for making a bold move!

Ultimately it's up to him. I'm sure the Ayatollah causes offence to all sorts of communities, not just Swansea fans. Perhaps it's time to slowly let it disappear- it's a relic of the old days after all. Abusing the boy for standing up for his beliefs is not on - he's entitled to his own opinion. I just want him to play well. True fans will certainly not boo him.

No way should the ayatollah die. It's no relic it's a massive part of history.

Supporters think it's fun. I do it myself. I bet our Muslim players wouldn't like to do it though.

any proof? Any info to back up this daft theory?

Ultimately it's up to him. I'm sure the Ayatollah causes offence to all sorts of communities, not just Swansea fans. Perhaps it's time to slowly let it disappear- it's a relic of the old days after all. Abusing the boy for standing up for his beliefs is not on - he's entitled to his own opinion. I just want him to play well. True fans will certainly not boo him.

No way should the ayatollah die. It's no relic it's a massive part of history.

Supporters think it's fun. I do it myself. I bet our Muslim players wouldn't like to do it though.

Isn't Idriss Saidi a Muslim? He did it no problem

Yes it matters. We've been through enough with all the changes its part of supporting Cardiff. The blue shirt, bluebird on the badge etc every club has something there connected with, I'm sure a few years back it would have meant something to every city fan. If its no big deal why support city might as well watch any team on tv purely for the football and not worry who's going to win.

No-one does the Ayatollah properly anymore anyway. It used to be done with passion and genuine rhythmic slapping of the head.
These days it's more like a camp Mo-bot.

I see someone on this thread has said that this is a massive part of our history. Not a massive part of mine and as I have said elsewhere it did'nt exist for the first thirty years that I followed this club. I don't consider something that only became part of this club twenty or so years back to be a massive part of our history, and I won't be getting myself all worked up just because someone decides not to slap themselves across the head.

Good shout. I have, & will have more respect for the City players, both past & present, who would, & will run through walls,,,& draw blood for City. I will judge JR on his football ability & attitude towards our club, but judging by his initial introduction, he has a long way to go!

I don't think fans are expecting a player to do the ayatollah every 5 minutes, but when other players go over to him and show him what to do it is a bit of a snub to the fans. If I was in his shoes I would be doing everything I could to get the fans on my side bearing in mind his Swansea connections. In the grand scheme of things I don't think it is worthy of putting more pressure on a player, so long as he gives his all for the club.

i couldnt care less if he does it or not .... he`s here to play football

It matters to some but not to the majority and in the grand scheme of things player Jazz Richards should be afforded a little latitude here

He certainly did 'tap' his head during the game and he applauded the fans on his way off in a fashion no better or worse than certain other players who just happen not to have played for our local rivals!

The Boo Boys (and a couple of others who have surprised me on the subject) have now set him up a treat for his home debut; a game against his former club's local rivals, QPR

I'm sure sections of the "Jack' support won't miss the opportunity to put pressure on him either!

If Jazz Richards is really was really so worried about "Doing the Ayatollah" or how he would be perceived in his hometown, then I'm sure he wouldn't have signed for Cardiff City FC (or maybe Paul Trollope) in the first place!

If any player is judged solely on his ability to tap himself on the head at the behest of the same people who will crucify him if he was then to make a mistake due to lack of concentration, then we're in for a pretty torrid season ahead!

Totally agree Chris, I remember only a few years back Bellamy having the fans chant at him 5/6 times to do the Ayatollah before he responded as he was so focused on what was happening on the field, didn't hear anyone hanging him out to dry. That happened on more that one occasion as well. Give the lad a break for gods sake. There's clear audio of the fans chanting for him to do the Ayatollah and then cheering once he did it, all this is shocking in my opinion. The video with the evidence of the crowd chanting is below.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=you ... Gmscq2uKbg

In response to the original question - "Does it matter Jazz Richards didn't do the Ayatollah"

He did do the Ayatollah.

If I had a choice between Jazz Richards doing the or playing well then I would take the latter every time.

He is a professional and providing he does his professional job correctly then I'm happy. If he decides to do the then I would be even happier

Spot on, Tony

I'm bemused by the blatant lies being told that Jazz Richards didn't react to fans throughout (or after) the game because he certainly did and I'm equally perplexed that they have now made his home debut a potential nightmare if he doesn't run out of the tunnel with his arms flapping like a Humming Bee's wings above his head!

Chris, I'm suprised you call yourself a city fan and mock one of our traditions. One that myself and many other fans feel extremely proud about. It's part of what makes us Cardiff.

This obviously explains why you've taken your stance over the situation because you think the ayatollah itself is a joke.

With total respect, I think you misinterpret my intentions and I can't see where I've demeaned 'The Ayatollah' itself in any of my posts on this subject

I apologise if that was how it was perceived but the comment you refer to was stated in a way that referred more to the over-expectations of some fans (it's their vitriol on the subject that has annoyed me most) than the actual act itself, which is unique to our club and its supporters

Like you, I've done 'The Ayatollah' at appropriate moments but I've never seen fans 'have a go' at a player in this fashion before other than the odd jocular 'boo' when they don't respond

It wasn't the big deal some now say it was at the game. It only became so when a number of members (many of whom weren't there) immediately ripped into to the OP's post with expletive-laden abuse; with some of those providing total mis-information and jumping on a bandwagon

One guy on here today stated as fact that Richards told his friends in Swansea all summer that he "will never" do the Ayatollah. Well, firstly he didn't know he was coming here "all summer", and secondly he actually did it in front of us yesterday (some report at least twice); so that theory is blown out of the water!

We all want out players to 'Do the Ayatollah' in order to forge a bond between players and fans but are we seriously going to crucify the guy on his first outing in a Bluebird shirt before giving him a chance to 'learn the ropes'?

As a life-long Cardiff City FC fan, I certainly hope not and look to Sunday's game versus QPR when he will be given a fair chance to put the whole situation right in front of 15,000 witnesses

I thought the arms flapping like a Humming bird comment was just quite demeaning of the ayatollah. But anyway I agree I wouldn't have abused him and he may well have even done it as some have said. If he's got half a brain cell he will do it on Sunday.

if he didnt do the ayatollah against brum and does it next week then its blatantly a fake one , id rather him not do it at all than pretend

If I had a choice between Jazz Richards doing the or playing well then I would take the latter every time.

He is a professional and providing he does his professional job correctly then I'm happy. If he decides to do the then I would be even happier

Spot on, Tony

I'm bemused by the blatant lies being told that Jazz Richards didn't react to fans throughout (or after) the game because he certainly did and I'm equally perplexed that they have now made his home debut a potential nightmare if he doesn't run out of the tunnel with his arms flapping like a Humming Bee's wings above his head!

Chris, I'm suprised you call yourself a city fan and mock one of our traditions. One that myself and many other fans feel extremely proud about. It's part of what makes us Cardiff.

This obviously explains why you've taken your stance over the situation because you think the ayatollah itself is a joke.

With total respect, I think you misinterpret my intentions and I can't see where I've demeaned 'The Ayatollah' itself in any of my posts on this subject

I apologise if that was how it was perceived but the comment you refer to was stated in a way that referred more to the over-expectations of some fans (it's their vitriol on the subject that has annoyed me most) than the actual act itself, which is unique to our club and its supporters

Like you, I've done 'The Ayatollah' at appropriate moments but I've never seen fans 'have a go' at a player in this fashion before other than the odd jocular 'boo' when they don't respond

It wasn't the big deal some now say it was at the game. It only became so when a number of members (many of whom weren't there) immediately ripped into to the OP's post with expletive-laden abuse; with some of those providing total mis-information and jumping on a bandwagon

One guy on here today stated as fact that Richards told his friends in Swansea all summer that he "will never" do the Ayatollah. Well, firstly he didn't know he was coming here "all summer", and secondly he actually did it in front of us yesterday (some report at least twice); so that theory is blown out of the water!

We all want out players to 'Do the Ayatollah' in order to forge a bond between players and fans but are we seriously going to crucify the guy on his first outing in a Bluebird shirt before giving him a chance to 'learn the ropes'?

As a life-long Cardiff City FC fan, I certainly hope not and look to Sunday's game versus QPR when he will be given a fair chance to put the whole situation right in front of 15,000 witnesses

I thought the arms flapping like a Humming bird comment was just quite demeaning of the ayatollah. But anyway I agree I wouldn't have abused him and he may well have even done it as some have said. If he's got half a brain cell he will do it on Sunday.

No worries. On reflection, I might have been clearer and firmly agree he'd be wise to emphasise it on Sunday

I hope people back off a little now it's been confirmed he did respond to fans requests, as many (including me) who were at the game confirmed early on in the original thread