BEFORE YOU ANSWER THIS, THINK HARD ?

ALL THE EGGHEADS TO BE GONE FOR GOOD.

I must admit i do like the sound of that bit

This fixation on here with "eggheads". What is your definition? Is it those members of the club`s board of directors who are rugby supporters more than they are football supporters? If so , which of the current board do you consider to fall under that definition?

Genuinely interested to hear your views.

Keith

ALL THE EGGHEADS TO BE GONE FOR GOOD.

I must admit i do like the sound of that bit

This fixation on here with "eggheads". What is your definition? Is it those members of the club`s board of directors who are rugby supporters more than they are football supporters? If so , which of the current board do you consider to fall under that definition?

Genuinely interested to hear your views.

Keith

Sorry to disappoint you Keith, but it was a light hearted remark as I just despise Rugby and cant help it, I wont be happy till the game is eradicated from the face of the earth.

I do take your point however that egghead bashing is the number one sport on hear lately with little credibility to back it up. Our CEO has been number one target since the day he started.

When you say "Sam to run the football side", what exactly does that involve?

Can you please clarify what he WOULD be responsible for?

Please. Thanks

Before you answer.
The Riddler and the media slated Sam for 3 years.

Would it be a GOOD or BAD idea to have what SAM HAMMAMS WANTS ?
and has called it

" THE DREAM TEAM "

Sam wants TG to run the Business side and himself to run the football side and ALL THE EGGHEADS TO BE GONE FOR GOOD.

ALL OPINIONS WELCOME .

No chance he fecked it up once already, I am sorry Annis I have read your books and know you love him but I will never forget Black Friday and his mismanagement !!!!!

Thanks for the Academy Sam and for the initial impact and raising our profile, but lets leave it there !!!!!

Before you answer.
The Riddler and the media slated Sam for 3 years.

Would it be a GOOD or BAD idea to have what SAM HAMMAMS WANTS ?
and has called it

" THE DREAM TEAM "

Sam wants TG to run the Business side and himself to run the football side and ALL THE EGGHEADS TO BE GONE FOR GOOD.

ALL OPINIONS WELCOME .

Cant see that working. one or the other.

Cannot see what Sam would do to be honest Annis. Does he have the contacts to get players capable of lifting us out the CC on the cheap? I will trust TG in whatever he decides even if Sam does return. As long as Sam stays well clear of the £ then I think it may be good. People need to realise as they Love Hammam and hate Ridsdale that these 2 men are the cause for this constant stream of debts and problems.

ALL THE EGGHEADS TO BE GONE FOR GOOD.

I must admit i do like the sound of that bit

This fixation on here with "eggheads". What is your definition? Is it those members of the club`s board of directors who are rugby supporters more than they are football supporters? If so , which of the current board do you consider to fall under that definition?

Genuinely interested to hear your views.

Keith

We are all frustrated at the way the club is being run at the moment. I guess a lot of supporters are pointing the finger at our chief executive Gethin Jenkins who in fairness has been employed to handle the day to day running of our club. Of course having previously ran a rugby franchise in Newport he is deemed a rugby man. It is also reported that he was recruited by Paul Guy and Mike Hall. Mike Hall the ex Cardiff and Wales rugby player, so thats two "eggheads". Given my dislike of rugby is echoed by many football supporters its not hard to see why this has become a major focus on this board, possibly unfairly so, but the fact remains that most supporters do not have faith in the administration skills of Jenkins and do not trust Mike Hall and by association Paul Guy. Add to this the fact we have had to share the CCS facilities with the Cardiff Blues its easy to see where the Egg Bashing comes from.

Good riddance to Ridsdale -bad penny man - as for sam - no thank you - pay him off VT take the club over lock stock and Barrel. Time for pastures new.

remember there was no rollercoaster before sam came here, get sam back and lets finish the ride , to the prem,,,,,, sams barmy army,

I don't think TG will put any money in for someone else to manage .
Sorry but thats how I see it.
If Sam or another investor comes up with say £12 million TG will
think about it.
But I imagine TG would love to get investment from sources he knows well.

Gethin Jenkins egghead running it for them at the moment.

Who else is going to run the company on a day to day basis for the quoted 60k a year, would you?

Where are all the staff who used to to it, didnt we at one time not so long ago have 2 stadium managers?

Get Sam back.

Get the bloke who turned a very skint 4th Div club into a Championship basketcase which is very soon going to go out of business. You may end up dissapearing but you can't put a price on the walks on the beach and the free ice creams.

Sometimes, the existence of your football club is not as important as a small amount of unimportant clowns being famous for 5 minutes. "I was on the telly I was! With Alan Curtis and everything! I had my Stone Island jumper on an' all! We all did! We all had exactlty the same jumper on! It was great! I was really important for a little bit. I had an ice cream too! And any decent Cardiff fan who was rightly worried about the way the club was going, anyone who was worried about how we would eventually pay this debt off, we bullied them and called them termites! Termites you are! I've got an ice cream off Sam and everything!"

Tata Cardiff. No one will miss you.

I don't think TG will put any money in for someone else to manage .
Sorry but thats how I see it.
If Sam or another investor comes up with say £12 million TG will
think about it.
But I imagine TG would love to get investment from sources he knows well



look behind the scenes sticky to see who has invested the money and whose name appears on the mortgage debentures against the club.
its vincent tan
do you really think a man of his wealth and stature needs 12 million off anybody to put into the club.
i mean if he was short of 12 million why bother in the first place knowing the debt the club was


so Steve seen as you know so much, why is vncent tan letting our club rot ?

how is he letting the club rot eddie he has put 8 million in since january with probably another 2 next week to keep it going.
just be grateful they are here because without them there would be no club.

["Eddie May"]"steve davies"]["skywalker"]Tough one this, I guess given the current situation I would rather have Sam back. We do need someone running the football side of the club. :



how long has sam been out of football circles now skywalker.
just remember he attracted players by paying ridiculous wages and the riddler carried on in the same vein.[/quote]

steve we know yr a borley fan and are totally antisam, but give it a rest.[/quote]


all im trying to do here eddie is give the other side of the coin from the bring back sam campaign that has reared its head again now annis is back from holiday.
no one has answered the question about wether the malaysians actually need sams 12 million.
and with regards to that twelve million there has been no proof of it as requested.
But in fairness eddie if my views piss you off because they are different to the pro sam brigade that infest this board i will take my information and views elsewhere
no more posting on here from me
hope that brightens your day

. I guess a lot of supporters are pointing the finger at our chief executive Gethin Jenkins who in fairness has been employed to handle the day to day running of our club. Of course having previously ran a rugby franchise in Newport he is deemed a rugby man. It is also reported that he was recruited by Paul Guy and Mike Hall. Mike Hall the ex Cardiff and Wales rugby player, so thats two "eggheads". Given my dislike of rugby is echoed by many football supporters its not hard to see why this has become a major focus on this board, possibly unfairly so, but the fact remains that most supporters do not have faith in the administration skills of Jenkins and do not trust Mike Hall and by association Paul Guy. Add to this the fact we have had to share the CCS facilities with the Cardiff Blues its easy to see where the Egg Bashing comes from.

Are you really sure that "the fact remains that most supporters do not have faith in the administration skills of Jenkins"? Perhaps they do on this messageboard and perhaps they do on Michael Morris' board, I don't know, but it's easy to sometimes forget that the majority of the 21,000 odd who watched home matches last season do not post on either board - I'm as guilty of doing that at times as anyone.

. I guess a lot of supporters are pointing the finger at our chief executive Gethin Jenkins who in fairness has been employed to handle the day to day running of our club. Of course having previously ran a rugby franchise in Newport he is deemed a rugby man. It is also reported that he was recruited by Paul Guy and Mike Hall. Mike Hall the ex Cardiff and Wales rugby player, so thats two "eggheads". Given my dislike of rugby is echoed by many football supporters its not hard to see why this has become a major focus on this board, possibly unfairly so, but the fact remains that most supporters do not have faith in the administration skills of Jenkins and do not trust Mike Hall and by association Paul Guy. Add to this the fact we have had to share the CCS facilities with the Cardiff Blues its easy to see where the Egg Bashing comes from.

Are you really sure that "the fact remains that most supporters do not have faith in the administration skills of Jenkins"? Perhaps they do on this messageboard and perhaps they do on Michael Morris' board, I don't know, but it's easy to sometimes forget that the majority of the 21,000 odd who watched home matches last season do not post on either board - I'm as guilty of doing that at times as anyone.

Bob, I am not saying this because Jenkins is a Rugby fan, I am saying he is well out of his depth and in my opinion what I know about him so far,I would def say he should not be at our club. If I start giving the reasons it will be quite a few paragrapths, but over the last couple of months I have put many things on here that I know for a fact he has failed on.

I very rarely post on here anymore in truth as the overall quality and ambience has degenerated to a similar level to CCMB I'm afraid, something clearly evident just on this thread alone with hugely respected posters with a lot to offer merely being abused again. Anyway, it's clear some people have an allegiance, either for Sam or not, personally, like many others, even those for or against Sam perhaps, all I want is the best for Cardiff City, it's just some are being influenced by their beliefs and perhaps loyalties a little too much. My personal feelings towards Sam are mixed. His financial mismanagement of the club almost brought us to our knees, so for those of us who, quite rightly, point out the plentiful and heinous errors of Mr Ridsdale's ways, Sam was no better. Plausible arguments can be made for both sides as to who did more good or bad for the club, but given their record both have here and football in general, it seems rather futile as both have been proven to be extremely dangerous to football clubs inded. Despite that, I find it impossible not to look back on Hamman's era as my most enjoyable time following Cardiff City, whilst almost yearning for the infectious charisma that Hamman brought to the club. Does that mean I want him back, though? Absolutely not. The truth is, Cardiff City deserves far better than either Ridsdale or Hamman, of that there is surely no doubt.

To dismiss the notion of Hamman returning in any capacity is foolhardy too, though. Now first and foremost, the hope must be that the Malaysians are indeed honourable people, crucially, with the club's best interests at heart and that they do indeed have a cunning plan that means Sam is but just one more creditor they need to keep sweet before getting rid of him for good. But given the obvious gravity of our financial woes with no obvious sources of income that will generate the huge funds that need to be paid out within months, Sam has around 10 million reasons (maybe many more given the lack of clarity) why he MAY need to be listened to or even accomodated. Providing that was as is being mooted, no financial involvement and to concentrate on the football side, it does sound plausible and even exciting. But is it naive to expect Sam to accept a bit part role, submissive role? Absolutely. It seems to me a cunning game of cat and mouse is afoot throughout the club, the Malaysian/ Langston negotiations is just such another game. Surely the Malaysians, having just got rid of one crook, wouldn't welcome another straight back in?

Personally, I think and hope that the Malaysians are keeping him sweet before hopefully finding a way to consign Sam to where he belongs. History.

jenkins the egg, has not really had a chance yet to manage a football team , but he has had a chance to manage affairs, and from what i jave see and heared, hes not the person to carry this FOOTBALL team on to the next level. we are a football team we need a football minded/loving person running the football side of things. is sam the right one well he has knowledge he has money he has the heart

Tough one this, I guess given the current situation I would rather have Sam back. We do need someone running the football side of the club.

how long has sam been out of football circles now skywalker.
just remember he attracted players by paying ridiculous wages and the riddler carried on in the same vein.

steve we know yr a borley fan and are totally antisam, but give it a rest.

Regardless of whether h is pro Borley/anti Sam, everything he said is spot on.

Bob, I am not saying this because Jenkins is a Rugby fan, I am saying he is well out of his depth and in my opinion what I know about him so far,I would def say he should not be at our club. If I start giving the reasons it will be quite a few paragrapths, but over the last couple of months I have put many things on here that I know for a fact he has failed on.

I don't know enough about Gethin Jenkins to comment on the job he is doing Annis - you may well be right in your opinion of him for all I know. The point I was making is more to do with it being easy to fall into the trap of thinking that opinions expressed on City messageboards represent the feelings of a majority of supporters (many of whom never post their opinions on line). Apart from some who are against him purely for his rugby connections, most City fans I know who don't post on messageboards don't have any feelings on him one way or another at the moment - that's likely to change of course though if the embargo isn't lifted before the season starts.

Bob, I am not saying this because Jenkins is a Rugby fan, I am saying he is well out of his depth and in my opinion what I know about him so far,I would def say he should not be at our club. If I start giving the reasons it will be quite a few paragrapths, but over the last couple of months I have put many things on here that I know for a fact he has failed on.

I don't know enough about Gethin Jenkins to comment on the job he is doing Annis - you may well be right in your opinion of him for all I know. The point I was making is more to do with it being easy to fall into the trap of thinking that opinions expressed on City messageboards represent the feelings of a majority of supporters (many of whom never post their opinions on line). Apart from some who are against him purely for his rugby connections, most City fans I know who don't post on messageboards don't have any feelings on him one way or another at the moment - that's likely to change of course though if the embargo isn't lifted before the season starts.

Your prob right and the majority of our fans have also prob never heard of him.

"all im trying to do here eddie is give the other side of the coin from the bring back sam campaign that has reared its head again now annis is back from holiday.
no one has answered the question about wether the malaysians actually need sams 12 million.
and with regards to that twelve million there has been no proof of it as requested.
But in fairness eddie if my views piss you off because they are different to the pro sam brigade that infest this board i will take my information and views elsewhere
no more posting on here from me
hope that brightens your day"

Sad day indeed, one of the few poster with a balanced view and with something worthwhile to say. Pushed off the board by someone already banned for sniping.
We all have different views on the myriad of problems engulfing our club at the moment, but there seems to be less room on here than there used to be.

Too right mr BOTN, Steve always appears to give a pretty balanced overview and insight into the inner workings of our club and just because he doesn't have the same agenda as some of the other high profile posters doesn't mean his opinions are any less valid. I agree a sad day when posters of his calibure decide not to contribute anymore.

Absolutely not.

While Sam will always have a place in the heart of Bluebirds fans, his era has gone. It must be detrimental to have him on board, especially financially.

As I understand it, financial institutions were not prepared to finance the stadium building because they didn't trust Sam and his financial dealings. It was only after he was ousted that the stadium building was able to progress. The last thing we want at the moment is someone with a reputation for questionable financial dealings - the club needs to re-assure the money men/ taxman that it has things under control.

Money matters aside, remember this:-

The Hammam Era dragged the club out of the lower leagues and gave the club its pride back.
The Ridsdale era delivered a fine new stadium (without which the club would never be bale to move on) and established the team at Championship level
The TG era will deliver --- what?

Exciting isn't it?

Begining to sound like we need him in, to get out of our financial mess !

Personally.....the pure nostalgia and feel good factor Sam initially brought to the club............I'd welcome to have those days again.
Keep him away from the finances as said..........and I really do beleive it's a dream team

Personally.....the pure nostalgia and feel good factor Sam initially brought to the club............I'd welcome to have those days again.
Keep him away from the finances as said..........and I really do beleive it's a dream team

I don't see how he can't be involved with finances though.

What role would he have, with no involvement in the money side?

As others have said, I can't see him wanting to take order from Tg and others either

Personally.....the pure nostalgia and feel good factor Sam initially brought to the club............I'd welcome to have those days again.
Keep him away from the finances as said..........and I really do beleive it's a dream team

I don't see how he can't be involved with finances though.

What role would he have, with no involvement in the money side?

As others have said, I can't see him wanting to take order from Tg and others either

Its a tricky one , obviously the academy structures etc is close to Sams heart as is doing well , I also think he handles the media very well , which this year , if Dave stays , will be key as this could be just the thing he needs to take him out of the limelight so to speak and get on with football..............it's just I'm not seeing anything from the Malaysians to show me they could be as passionate as Sam..........not yey anyway..........as has been constantly said we need a 'Football Brain' running the show , and for me personally its Sam.

I think Since '62 raises a good point about Sam's potential contacts. I think he would help his cause no end if he could demonstrate to TG/VT that he has good contacts within the game which would greatly benefit the club.

If Sam was to return I would start off by putting him in charge of the Academy. That was his baby and greatest success from his first period at the club.

If he still has important contacts within the youth system then yes I can see a very valuable position for him which potentially could net the club millions.

I like Sam and he deserves a place in the clubs history,because without him we may well be where chester city are now or Wrexham......but i cant see the malaysians letting him run things or having a financial input into the club.
I think the club needs someone with some clout to come in and sort out Guy and the rest of them, and he would be the one to do it but they are still owed too much money and have too much to say for my liking.Let the malaysians work them out slowly and keep talking to Sam and who know somewhere down the line they could be in a position to work together.

Before you answer.
The Riddler and the media slated Sam for 3 years.

Would it be a GOOD or BAD idea to have what SAM HAMMAMS WANTS ?
and has called it

" THE DREAM TEAM "

Sam wants TG to run the Business side and himself to run the football side and ALL THE EGGHEADS TO BE GONE FOR GOOD.

ALL OPINIONS WELCOME .

Annis

I have thought about it a lot before reaching an opinion.
And that opinion is that I would definitely NOT want him back in any role at the club.

I have no axe to grind with Sam as an individual. On the few occasions I have met him he has always been good company,we have had a number of interesting phone conversations and he was kind enough to send me a lovely personal message when my first grandchild was born recently.

But I just can`t see what positives he would bring with him for the club`s benefit

1) I don`t believe he has substantial cash to invest , or he would have invested it already , such as when he could have through Rudgwick in May this year.Or he would have produced evidence that he has funds when TG asked him at their recent meeting in London. If Sam just brings more borrowed money into the club , then we have too much of that already thanks.

2) There is no way he would be able to take a backseat role , answering to the Malaysians and or the CEO for his actions and not getting involved in finances.His personality/pride/ego just wouldn`t allow him too and clashes would be inevitable.

3) I think the idea of him bringing football contacts and expertise to the club is a bit of a myth to be honest.Previous deals to attract players to the club were mainly based on bribing them with over the top wages and his "contacts" will now largely be out of date or "old school" - the football world has moved on since he was in control.

Got to respect anything you post, because you talk sense 100% of the time!

My own thoughts are:

Sam obviously wants back in. If he's not willing to invest money, or come to some sort of a deal
about the debt, then he wont be coming back anyway!

He's not a daft man, he knows full well that the Malaysians would keep a tight rein on the finances
and that he'd be reporting to them. But it still appears he wants to return?

Maybe Sam has mellowed over the last few years, perhaps his ego wouldnt be a problem. Sam may
well be a bit out of touch with the current football markets, but he is definitely a football man, and
he definitely has a genuine love for this club.

Admittedly he did pay big wages to get players here, but his enthusiasm was also a factor.

I'd give him a crack at it, depending on what if anything is sorted out in these meetings!!!