CARDIFF CITY AND NANTES GIVEN TRANSFER FEE DEADLINE

I’m sorry to say this, and I am as impartial as they come... but the fact you still haven’t paid is horrendous. You bought him, announced him and was about to take part in training. Then the hunt for technicalities started, which I’m sure could be found in most transfers at that stage if you look hard enough. The transfer should have been honoured and then looked at a legal route if you wanted to take it up with owner of plane etc. I fear this won’t look good for you.

Showing yourself up as just an antagonistic dickhead really.

At no point has our club ever said that they Wont pay,,,, but under the extraordinary circumstances of this very sad matter, then of course its prudent to conduct due diligence into the whole business timeframe surrounding the transfer,,, both legally & morally.

It will be interesting to hear what FIFA have to say on this, & on the circumstances before, during, & after the tragic events. I'm not sure if theres a precedence to this particular case either?

Lets not forget also, that the Air investigation team have yet to conclude their investigation, which could well lead to further criminal investigations.

I’m sorry to say this, and I am as impartial as they come... but the fact you still haven’t paid is horrendous. You bought him, announced him and was about to take part in training. Then the hunt for technicalities started, which I’m sure could be found in most transfers at that stage if you look hard enough. The transfer should have been honoured and then looked at a legal route if you wanted to take it up with owner of plane etc. I fear this won’t look good for you.

Showing yourself up as just an antagonistic dickhead really.

Well said found that out awhile ago! I can respond to things but as I've blocked him I
dont see his posts to me it's brilliant......

You really got a clue, or maybe a brain.

We will pay what's due when the legal experts can tell us what’s due.

There are insurances and parties all trying to work out who owes what.

Nantes aren’t squeeky clean in this.

Let’s just wait to see who’s liable for what and then deal with it.

It’s about what is right, not technicalities.

OJ Simpson is technically and legally didn’t murder his wife... technicalities get exploited in cases such as this all the time, but it’s not often thought about regarding the costs and damage of the long term reputation damage to the person/business.

I have a feeling should Tan worm his way out of this, the club will feel the effects of that for dozens of transfer windows to come, to a point where Tan would look back at this and realise that paying was probably the cheap option.

I am beginning to think that you are not really a jack, just someone who comes on here to cause a stir and attention.

Are you suggesting my view is one that is in the minority amongst the footballing fraternity?

If you wish to make up a story in your head about me in order to make my view easier to ignore then be my guest however.

I’m sorry to say this, and I am as impartial as they come... but the fact you still haven’t paid is horrendous. You bought him, announced him and was about to take part in training. Then the hunt for technicalities started, which I’m sure could be found in most transfers at that stage if you look hard enough. The transfer should have been honoured and then looked at a legal route if you wanted to take it up with owner of plane etc. I fear this won’t look good for you.

Showing yourself up as just an antagonistic dickhead really.

Why is that antagonistic? Just because it isn’t what you want to hear, doesn’t mean I am antagonising you.

As usual of late, your contributions continue to disappoint.

Football's governing body has pressed both clubs to come to an agreement

Cardiff City reportedly have until September 5 to reach a settlement with Nantes in the dispute over the payment of Emiliano Sala's £15m transfer fee.

According to the BBC, football's governing body FIFA has sent a letter to both clubs explaining that if a decision is not reached, it will make its own ruling on the matter.

President Gianni Infantino has previously suggested he hoped the two clubs would come to an agreement themselves, but there has so far appeared to be little progress in solving the dispute.

Cardiff have always insisted that certain conditions of the deal to bring the Argentine striker to the Welsh capital had not been met, and that Sala was subsequently not a Premier League player.

As such they have refused to make any interim payments, despite Nantes insisting that the appropriate paperwork was completed.

A spokesperson for FIFA told WalesOnline: "We can confirm that a letter was sent to the parties on behalf of the chairman of the players' status committee.

"Please understand we cannot comment further at this stage."

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I’m sorry to say this, and I am as impartial as they come... but the fact you still haven’t paid is horrendous. You bought him, announced him and was about to take part in training. Then the hunt for technicalities started, which I’m sure could be found in most transfers at that stage if you look hard enough. The transfer should have been honoured and then looked at a legal route if you wanted to take it up with owner of plane etc. I fear this won’t look good for you.

Showing yourself up as just an antagonistic dickhead really.

Why is that antagonistic? Just because it isn’t what you want to hear, doesn’t mean I am antagonising you.

As usual of late, your contributions continue to disappoint.

your opinion is irrelevent to me

you put yourself on a very high pedastal Mr. Roath, in your head you are the most impartial, most sensible know-it-all. I do hope your not like this in real life or itll be a very lonely one.

It was more an observation than an opinion, as is the latest irony in your post which no doubt you have missed.

Thanks for the input though.

I’m sorry to say this, and I am as impartial as they come... but the fact you still haven’t paid is horrendous. You bought him, announced him and was about to take part in training. Then the hunt for technicalities started, which I’m sure could be found in most transfers at that stage if you look hard enough. The transfer should have been honoured and then looked at a legal route if you wanted to take it up with owner of plane etc. I fear this won’t look good for you.

Showing yourself up as just an antagonistic dickhead really.

Sadly I feel this board is coming to the end of its life unless something is done about this troll. Personally I agree him but its ruining thread after thread. He seems to have beaten the powers that be on this board.

You think it is trolling to state what is a majority opinion and refuse to rise to the bait of being abused?

Again, someone typing what you don’t want to read can be dressed up as anything you like in order to justify a reaction. But at the end of the day, I’m just talking common sense. If common sense ruins a board for you then what is it you are actually looking for?

It’s interesting to note in every thread, do I ever get personal? Do I ever say anything unreasonable? No. In fact I am very patient and reasonable whilst having to deal with posts that can absolutely be described as trolling. Ironic eh?

Until its told it doesn't have to, club has to factor in full financial commitment in to its ongoing finances so it has obviously effected transfers.

Fifa were never at this stage going to come down with any judgement.

Club are wriggling. Announced as our player. End of really in my view.

I know it's all been said before and legalities are complex but with holding monies as we have will not help with future transfers as clubs, agents and players will be wary.

Another point but the whole stage payment arrangements of lots of transfers needs more transparency. As do undisclosed fees.

Almost everything in public domain these days even how much you pay for your house and I'm surprised transfer fees aren't the same. How much the actual fee is and when plus levies and agents fees should all be fully published in my view.

Fair play to you, you are a culeless c*nt

Roathie alert!!

I’m sorry to say this, and I am as impartial as they come... but the fact you still haven’t paid is horrendous. You bought him, announced him and was about to take part in training. Then the hunt for technicalities started, which I’m sure could be found in most transfers at that stage if you look hard enough. The transfer should have been honoured and then looked at a legal route if you wanted to take it up with owner of plane etc. I fear this won’t look good for you.

Why should you fear it looking bad for the club,it's f@ck all to do with you There is more to it than just paying them,and the legal route you are suggesting has,and is being taken,and culpability is still undecided, so unless you are an expert in these dealings,what do you know as if we are concerned as to what your opinions are

I’m sorry to say this, and I am as impartial as they come... but the fact you still haven’t paid is horrendous. You bought him, announced him and was about to take part in training. Then the hunt for technicalities started, which I’m sure could be found in most transfers at that stage if you look hard enough. The transfer should have been honoured and then looked at a legal route if you wanted to take it up with owner of plane etc. I fear this won’t look good for you.

A Jack being impartial on Cardiff City matters?... Yeah, right!

You don't fear for us at all, you are actually gleeful, c'mon admit it. Are you really suggesting our club should hand over 15m just like that when the club's lawyers would be instructing them not to (the lawyers know their field)? There's a whole number of acts of negligence by third parties involved in all of this. It's not about trying to worm out of any commitment - it's about what's right and wrong on a legal basis.

Absolutely, I’m impartial on all matters whoever the club or situation, what is the point of being anything else?

Well I fear for you, yes, it won’t affect me however so not going to lose any sleep if that is what you are asking. If you think I am gleeful that two men lost their lives and you have refused to honour the deal that put them on that plane then you are sadly mistaken, it’s a horrendous situation.

Yes I am absolutely suggesting the club pays for the player it bought and was travelling to his first training session. Lawyers look for technicalities as I said, the fact there is potentially a technicality does not mean one should bend over backwards to use it. Every man and his dog saw the player holding the jersey aloft, we all saw him being announced as a Cardiff player and we all know the reason he was on the plane.

Tan has a custodian of the club and needs to understand that this could have massive future ramifications for the club which could potentially cost far more than the transfer fee he is trying to wriggle out of. The damage to reputation could be catastrophic and can absolutely see a scenario where clubs demand money up front from you for transfer fees which could cause mayhem on the balance sheet and cashflow and really hamper future transfer windows and acquisitions.

No one gives a toss about your opinion and what you've got to say, to be honest. You're just a sad jack with a high opinion of himself who spends far too much of his time on a rival fans forum. It really is pathetic. 2 people died in this accident and you use it to have a dig at the club. Why don't you do everyone a favour and f**k off back to your own forum with the rest of the skip rats because no one on here wants to hear your 'impartial' drivel.

This will not have any effect on future transfers as the chances of another player dying in a plane crash during transfer are very slim, so stop chatting shit. We had no issues signing Glatzel this transfer window.

I’m sorry to say this, and I am as impartial as they come... but the fact you still haven’t paid is horrendous. You bought him, announced him and was about to take part in training. Then the hunt for technicalities started, which I’m sure could be found in most transfers at that stage if you look hard enough. The transfer should have been honoured and then looked at a legal route if you wanted to take it up with owner of plane etc. I fear this won’t look good for you.

Why should you fear it looking bad for the club,it's f@ck all to do with you There is more to it than just paying them,and the legal route you are suggesting has,and is being taken,and culpability is still undecided, so unless you are an expert in these dealings,what do you know as if we are concerned as to what your opinions are

Same as why people feared that Bolton would go to the wall when they support another club I guess. It’s called empathy.

There is nothing more to it than paying them. There really isn’t. What you are doing now is just damaging your football club.

Of course you care what my view is. As do the others that feel the need to proclaim they don’t, because what I say carried weight as it is reasoned and thought out. Why else do you think people scramble around to try and get me banned when I’m the mildest and most inoffensive poster there is? I can answer that if you are struggling, it’s because I often type what people don’t want to read or are turning a blind eye to, yet have the ability to back it up with full reasoning.

It makes it hard to ignore as we are seeing here.

I’m sorry to say this, and I am as impartial as they come... but the fact you still haven’t paid is horrendous. You bought him, announced him and was about to take part in training. Then the hunt for technicalities started, which I’m sure could be found in most transfers at that stage if you look hard enough. The transfer should have been honoured and then looked at a legal route if you wanted to take it up with owner of plane etc. I fear this won’t look good for you.

Showing yourself up as just an antagonistic dickhead really.

Sadly I feel this board is coming to the end of its life unless something is done about this troll. Personally I agree him but its ruining thread after thread. He seems to have beaten the powers that be on this board.

I've said the same as you to one of the mods, for some reason Annis is still allowing this heep of crap to carry on posting (hits maybe) at the expense of posters losing interest in threads. I also think he is not one of the tramps from down west but someone else most of us older fans know from the 80's, time will tell.

No one gives a toss about your opinion and what you've got to say, to be honest. You're just a sad jack with a high opinion of himself who spends far too much of his time on a rival fans forum. It really is pathetic. 2 people died in this accident and you use it to have a dig at the club. Why don't you do everyone a favour and f**k off back to your own forum with the rest of the skip rats because no one on here wants to hear your 'impartial' drivel.

This will not have any effect on future transfers as the chances of another player dying in a plane crash during transfer are very slim, so stop chatting shit. We had no issues signing Glatzel this transfer window.

Stop being so silly, and stop using the tragedy to point score. This was and is a global story and I have every right to comment on it whether you like it or not. No amount of stamping your feet and playground insults is going to stop that, I would have thought you would have learned that by now.

The only way to make my points null and void is to counter them. However we all know that is easier said than done as they are usually watertight. Hence why people take the cowardly way out and instead of facing up to what I am saying they do what you do and hurl abuse. Water off a ducks back.

How do you know you had no issues signing Glatzel? How do you know he was your first choice? Has the payment been amortised or was it made up front? It has nothing to do with a player dying, it has to do with your transfer conduct, be that towards players, clubs or agents. If you think this episode is not having an effect then you are being very naive.

I’m sorry to say this, and I am as impartial as they come... but the fact you still haven’t paid is horrendous. You bought him, announced him and was about to take part in training. Then the hunt for technicalities started, which I’m sure could be found in most transfers at that stage if you look hard enough. The transfer should have been honoured and then looked at a legal route if you wanted to take it up with owner of plane etc. I fear this won’t look good for you.

Showing yourself up as just an antagonistic dickhead really.

Sadly I feel this board is coming to the end of its life unless something is done about this troll. Personally I agree him but its ruining thread after thread. He seems to have beaten the powers that be on this board.

I've said the same as you to one of the mods, for some reason Annis is still allowing this heep of crap to carry on posting (hits maybe) at the expense of posters losing interest in threads. I also think he is not one of the tramps from down west but someone else most of us older fans know from the 80's, time will tell.

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So explain, how is giving a pretty sensible opinion and refusing to stoop to responding to the abuse I receive deemed as trolling then? You won’t be able to answer of course.

For the record, trolling has an actual meaning. You can’t change the meaning of the word to mean ‘someone you get annoyed by as he types things you don’t want to face’. Just saying.

Annis has told me that I will not be banned for simply discussing football, which is of course what I’m doing and what this forum is designed for. Much to the annoyance of a certain mod who also has a Swansea chip on his shoulder like most it seems.

You really got a clue, or maybe a brain.

We will pay what's due when the legal experts can tell us what’s due.

There are insurances and parties all trying to work out who owes what.

Nantes aren’t squeeky clean in this.

Let’s just wait to see who’s liable for what and then deal with it.

It’s about what is right, not technicalities.

OJ Simpson is technically and legally didn’t murder his wife... technicalities get exploited in cases such as this all the time, but it’s not often thought about regarding the costs and damage of the long term reputation damage to the person/business.

I have a feeling should Tan worm his way out of this, the club will feel the effects of that for dozens of transfer windows to come, to a point where Tan would look back at this and realise that paying was probably the cheap option.

So you’d be happy if your club paid £15m out when they weren’t liable !!!??

You are either a wind up merchant, in-bred or both.

Stop using this to have a pop.

This club pays its debts unlike yours which just goes into administration if the going gets tough!!

I’m sorry to say this, and I am as impartial as they come... but the fact you still haven’t paid is horrendous. You bought him, announced him and was about to take part in training. Then the hunt for technicalities started, which I’m sure could be found in most transfers at that stage if you look hard enough. The transfer should have been honoured and then looked at a legal route if you wanted to take it up with owner of plane etc. I fear this won’t look good for you.

Utter bollox, if you bought a house from a dodgy estate agent and during the sales process, the house burnt down before you got the keys and a chance to ever use it, later to find out that he and the owner had also fecked up the paperwork, and you didn't actually legally own the house, you wouldn't honour the deal and pay them the money anyway would you

I’m sorry to say this, and I am as impartial as they come... but the fact you still haven’t paid is horrendous. You bought him, announced him and was about to take part in training. Then the hunt for technicalities started, which I’m sure could be found in most transfers at that stage if you look hard enough. The transfer should have been honoured and then looked at a legal route if you wanted to take it up with owner of plane etc. I fear this won’t look good for you.

Utter bollox, if you bought a house from a dodgy estate agent and during the sales process, the house burnt down before you got the keys and a chance to ever use it, later to find out that he and the owner had also fecked up the paperwork, and you didn't actually legally own the house, you wouldn't honour the deal and pay them the money anyway would you

Your scenario of a house has nothing to do with anything.

Nantes are not a dodgy estate agents, they are a well respected football club in France. You bought their best player, used his signature to sell tickets, proclaimed to have signed him, showing him signing the contract and holding the jersey. He died while commuting to work essentially. In response you have looked for a technicality in the paperwork.

That’s the long and the short of it.

So you’d be happy if your club paid £15m out when they weren’t liable !!!??

You are either a wind up merchant, in-bred or both.

Stop using this to have a pop.

This club pays its debts unlike yours which just goes into administration if the going gets tough!!

Would I be happy? No.

Would I want and expect them to? Absolutely.

I am not name calling, having a pop or indeed doing anything wrong at all here. I just hold a majority view, and a view you don’t want to face as deep down you know I’m right. It’s ironic that the only posters complaining about this seem to be the ones doing all of the above.

I’m sorry to say this, and I am as impartial as they come... but the fact you still haven’t paid is horrendous. You bought him, announced him and was about to take part in training. Then the hunt for technicalities started, which I’m sure could be found in most transfers at that stage if you look hard enough. The transfer should have been honoured and then looked at a legal route if you wanted to take it up with owner of plane etc. I fear this won’t look good for you.

A Jack being impartial on Cardiff City matters?... Yeah, right!

You don't fear for us at all, you are actually gleeful, c'mon admit it. Are you really suggesting our club should hand over 15m just like that when the club's lawyers would be instructing them not to (the lawyers know their field)? There's a whole number of acts of negligence by third parties involved in all of this. It's not about trying to worm out of any commitment - it's about what's right and wrong on a legal basis.

Absolutely, I’m impartial on all matters whoever the club or situation, what is the point of being anything else?

Well I fear for you, yes, it won’t affect me however so not going to lose any sleep if that is what you are asking. If you think I am gleeful that two men lost their lives and you have refused to honour the deal that put them on that plane then you are sadly mistaken, it’s a horrendous situation.

Yes I am absolutely suggesting the club pays for the player it bought and was travelling to his first training session. Lawyers look for technicalities as I said, the fact there is potentially a technicality does not mean one should bend over backwards to use it. Every man and his dog saw the player holding the jersey aloft, we all saw him being announced as a Cardiff player and we all know the reason he was on the plane.

Tan has a custodian of the club and needs to understand that this could have massive future ramifications for the club which could potentially cost far more than the transfer fee he is trying to wriggle out of. The damage to reputation could be catastrophic and can absolutely see a scenario where clubs demand money up front from you for transfer fees which could cause mayhem on the balance sheet and cashflow and really hamper future transfer windows and acquisitions.

Utter bollox again we've already signed players from home and abroad

I’m sorry to say this, and I am as impartial as they come... but the fact you still haven’t paid is horrendous. You bought him, announced him and was about to take part in training. Then the hunt for technicalities started, which I’m sure could be found in most transfers at that stage if you look hard enough. The transfer should have been honoured and then looked at a legal route if you wanted to take it up with owner of plane etc. I fear this won’t look good for you.

Utter bollox, if you bought a house from a dodgy estate agent and during the sales process, the house burnt down before you got the keys and a chance to ever use it, later to find out that he and the owner had also fecked up the paperwork, and you didn't actually legally own the house, you wouldn't honour the deal and pay them the money anyway would you

Your scenario of a house has nothing to do with anything.

Nantes are not a dodgy estate agents, they are a well respected football club in France. You bought their best player, used his signature to sell tickets, proclaimed to have signed him, showing him signing the contract and holding the jersey. He died while commuting to work essentially. In response you have looked for a technicality in the paperwork.

That’s the long and the short of it.

You understand the analogy, there were an agent and a seller involved, neither delivered a player or a legally binding contract saying we had officially signed and completed on the deal - End of sports - and it looks like FIFA agree!

And no you wouldn't pay if you didn't officially own a house that you never got to live in and didn't legally own

Utter bollox again we've already signed players from home and abroad

I didn’t say you would never sign another player did I?

You understand the analogy, there were an agent and a seller involved, neither delivered a player or a legally binding contract saying we had officially signed and completed on the deal - End of sports - and it looks like FIFA agree!

And no you wouldn't pay if you didn't officially own a house that you never got to live in and didn't legally own

I understand the analogy yes. My point was that it had nothing to do with this situation.. and still doesn’t. You bought a player off a reputable club from a major league, you announced him, he signed the contract, you benefitted commercially and he died commuting to you. You pay.

FIFA do not agree with what you say at all, they have not mediated yet. Cardiff City have to reach an agreement with regards to payment by a certain date or FIFA will be stepping in.

You understand the analogy, there were an agent and a seller involved, neither delivered a player or a legally binding contract saying we had officially signed and completed on the deal - End of sports - and it looks like FIFA agree!

And no you wouldn't pay if you didn't officially own a house that you never got to live in and didn't legally own

I understand the analogy yes. My point was that it had nothing to do with this situation.. and still doesn’t. You bought a player off a reputable club from a major league, you announced him, he signed the contract, you benefitted commercially and he died commuting to you. You pay.

FIFA do not agree with what you say at all, they have not mediated yet. Cardiff City have to reach an agreement with regards to payment by a certain date or FIFA will be stepping in.

Exactly like a house purchase, we took photos of the house showed all our friends were excited about the purchase, but on the day of completion, the house burnt down before we got the keys, and are solicitor says I have checked the paperwork and you didn't complete on the deal, due to the mistake between the agent and the seller the deal didn't go through.

What about the poor seller, they will have to sort it out via the agent's insurance or their own, it's nothing to do with you so don't worry as you didn't complete on the deal!

Now bore off

Now you are part of this high flying American owned football club with *fans* who have morals !!! Are you going to pay all the local shopkeepers who went to the wall over your clubs decision to go under rather than pay their debts?
To think some folk even had a whip round for you.

In big letters for you.... CARDIFF CITY FOOTBALL CLUB HAVE NEVER REFUSED TO PAY AND HAVE OPENLY STATED THAT THEY AWAIT FIFA AND THE AAI DECISION. that to all on here who thinks we should have just handed over £15m.

Now you are part of this high flying American owned football club with *fans* who have morals !!! Are you going to pay all the local shopkeepers who went to the wall over your clubs decision to go under rather than pay their debts?
To think some folk even had a whip round for you.

In big letters for you.... CARDIFF CITY FOOTBALL CLUB HAVE NEVER REFUSED TO PAY AND HAVE OPENLY STATED THAT THEY AWAIT FIFA AND THE AAI DECISION. that to all on here who thinks we should have just handed over £15m.

Spot on

Exactly like a house purchase, we took photos of the house showed all our friends were excited about the purchase, but on the day of completion, the house burnt down before we got the keys, and are solicitor says I have checked the paperwork and you didn't complete on the deal, due to the mistake between the agent and the seller the deal didn't go through.

What about the poor seller, they will have to sort it out via the agent's insurance or their own, it's nothing to do with you so don't worry as you didn't complete on the deal!

Now bore off

Nothing like a house purchase. I know it clearly makes you feel better about it by relating it to a situation that is not even remotely similar and pretending like it’s the same, but that will only get you so far.

You didn’t just take photos of him did you. You commercially benefited after officially announcing the signing. The player also died while travelling to come and play for you after said signing of the contract. There is a thing in contract law called intent. This means if all parties are acting out an agreement then it supersedes technicalities in contracts, this was often seen in company law where businessmen were always trying to shaft their partners.

For example. Our shareholders agreement was not signed by all parties, thus technically making it null and void. However when Mel Nurse donates his shares to the flub, they were divided out in equal portions in accordance to the shareholders agreement. Which is why the Trust are able to now take the previous owners to court as they acted out the agreement with intent.

So if this comes down to a word of law, the court of arbitration would be deciding on intent should such a technicality be found to be present. If t is understood that had Sala not died while commuting, would such a complaint to void the transfer arise then you will absolutely no doubt be liable to pay. I think it extremely unlikely that any arbitration committee would even entertain the fact that intent was not acted upon, the evidence is overwhelming and Nantes will be all over it.

Now you are part of this high flying American owned football club with *fans* who have morals !!! Are you going to pay all the local shopkeepers who went to the wall over your clubs decision to go under rather than pay their debts?
To think some folk even had a whip round for you.

In big letters for you.... CARDIFF CITY FOOTBALL CLUB HAVE NEVER REFUSED TO PAY AND HAVE OPENLY STATED THAT THEY AWAIT FIFA AND THE AAI DECISION. that to all on here who thinks we should have just handed over £15m.

I’m not sure you understand CVA’s? What you have typed there literally makes no sense.

None.