Can Cardiff be considered as a big club?

No.

There are many clubs bigger than us in our league and below.

Forest, Derby, Sheffield Wednesday, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Leeds, Middlesbrough, Fulham, West Brom, Ipswich, Bolton etc


We may have a new and bigger stadium compared to some of those and currently be in a higher league than some of them, but it doesn't make us a bigger club. If the football pyramid was based on attendances, Bournemouth wouldn't be where they are.

In my view, you judge it on history. In the last 60 odd years, we've had two seasons in the top flight. We've won the FA Cup once. That doesn't constitute a big club.

It's for that reason I say Man City have a long long way to go to be bigger than Man Utd. In fact, there's nobody in the English pyramid who are anywhere near close to being as big as Liverpool and Man Utd.

I can guarantee the majority of football fans in the UK don't see us as a big club, nowhere near.

Of the list of teams that you suggest are bigger than us, I would argue Portsmouth are not bigger than us, neither are Fulham and Bolton. Middlesbrough would be about the same size as us, but we have more potential than both them and Ipswich.

Correct as much as I dislike them they are massive under achievers like us.

Correct as much as I dislike them they are massive under achievers like us.

it is a 2 team city though and they don't have the numbers in close proximity that we do...but do agree BC should have done better looking at what other clubs have managed

Our history i believe is why the fan base is so fickle .ive been waiting since 1975 for the club to have a decent stint in the top flight an lift a trophy. Alas it never happens. Cant think of any other big area in the country that's waited so long .

Bristol City have never won a major trophy and are yet to make it to the prem.

And Bristol have 2 teams to contend with,thank god we don’t have that issue,it always irks me when the egg chasers are on and commentators say Wales and Cardiff are rugby mad,really ?
I was interested to read the comments regarding our 2 Derby games lately,flat atmosphere etc,that’s what got me thinking about what kind of club were we,are we and what we could be.

I have it on fairly good authority that Cardiff is the biggest one-club city in England and Wales

I have it on fairly good authority that Cardiff is the biggest one-club city in England and Wales

Leeds and Leicester have bigger populations than Cardiff

f**k me, we have some negative as f**k fans aye.

Bolton, Ipswich, Watford, Portsmouth bigger than us?

I don't remember any of them averaging 30,000 + in the Premiership.

We are not a big Club in the sense of your top 10, the two Manchesters, the two in Liverpool, the two North East and the four big London Clubs but other than that we are as big as anyone in terms of calibre and potential.

Give us a prolonged period of TIME not even success in the top division and we wouldn't be far off the top 10.

The Jack's on the other hand, 14th best supported team in the Championship after 7 seasons in the Premiership, winning a major trophy and playing in Europe, now there's a small Club with a ceiling whilst ours is off the scale, we have had 33,000 for a second tier game ffs. Let's stop putting ourselves down

I have it on fairly good authority that Cardiff is the biggest one-club city in England and Wales

Oh god, you have had a nightmare mate.

Bradford
Coventry
Leeds
Leicster

All bigger with Newcastle and Hull about the same from what iv just read.

I agree with the original post tbh but after all the rubbish often spouted on this site im suprised you havent put yourself in the super club category- "we should be going for rafa" "everywhere in wales supports cardiff except in swansea" " potential to be bigger than barcelona" ive seen it all over the years

I agree with the original post tbh but after all the rubbish often spouted on this site im suprised you havent put yourself in the super club category- "we should be going for rafa" "everywhere in wales supports cardiff except in swansea" " potential to be bigger than barcelona" ive seen it all over the years

I know it hurts Jack but the fact is despite years and years of abject missery as a football club we still got 30,000 for Division 2 Football and averaged over 32,000 for top level Football in our only season since god knows when in blue.

Can you imagine how big we would be if we were an established top league Club.

That hurts you doesn't it. Bless.

I agree with the original post tbh but after all the rubbish often spouted on this site im suprised you havent put yourself in the super club category- "we should be going for rafa" "everywhere in wales supports cardiff except in swansea" " potential to be bigger than barcelona" ive seen it all over the years

I know it hurts Jack but the fact is despite years and years of abject missery as a football club we still got 30,000 for Division 2 Football and averaged over 32,000 for top level Football in our only season since god knows when in blue.

Can you imagine how big we would be if we were an established top league Club.

That hurts you doesn't it. Bless.

Im not here to leave flipment comments like yours anymore. Im just going to say it as it is. You have obviously based on population size got the bigger fan base, but there are so many metrics to define a big club, population size, history, most successful etc. If you compare attendances then its hard to compare us v u in premierleague as we sold out for everygame. If we had a bigger stadium ( i know we dont and you do) then who knows what we would have. If you compare attendance with fan base size then we are bigger hands down or is it more committed less fical i dont know. What is without doubt is that you have more fans than us. Without question. Does that make you a bigger club. Potentially yes but there are more factors at play.

I agree with the original post tbh but after all the rubbish often spouted on this site im suprised you havent put yourself in the super club category- "we should be going for rafa" "everywhere in wales supports cardiff except in swansea" " potential to be bigger than barcelona" ive seen it all over the years

I know it hurts Jack but the fact is despite years and years of abject missery as a football club we still got 30,000 for Division 2 Football and averaged over 32,000 for top level Football in our only season since god knows when in blue.

Can you imagine how big we would be if we were an established top league Club.

That hurts you doesn't it. Bless.

Im not here to leave flipment comments like yours anymore. Im just going to say it as it is. You have obviously based on population size got the bigger fan base, but there are so many metrics to define a big club, population size, history, most successful etc. If you compare attendances then its hard to compare us v u in premierleague as we sold out for everygame. If we had a bigger stadium ( i know we dont and you do) then who knows what we would have. If you compare attendance with fan base size then we are bigger hands down or is it more committed less fical i dont know. What is without doubt is that you have more fans than us. Without question. Does that make you a bigger club. Potentially yes but there are more factors at play.

My comment isnt flippant, it's the truth. Happy for you to tell me what I said that was wrong mind.. Go for it.

I agree with the original post tbh but after all the rubbish often spouted on this site im suprised you havent put yourself in the super club category- "we should be going for rafa" "everywhere in wales supports cardiff except in swansea" " potential to be bigger than barcelona" ive seen it all over the years

I know it hurts Jack but the fact is despite years and years of abject missery as a football club we still got 30,000 for Division 2 Football and averaged over 32,000 for top level Football in our only season since god knows when in blue.

Can you imagine how big we would be if we were an established top league Club.

That hurts you doesn't it. Bless.

Im not here to leave flipment comments like yours anymore. Im just going to say it as it is. You have obviously based on population size got the bigger fan base, but there are so many metrics to define a big club, population size, history, most successful etc. If you compare attendances then its hard to compare us v u in premierleague as we sold out for everygame. If we had a bigger stadium ( i know we dont and you do) then who knows what we would have. If you compare attendance with fan base size then we are bigger hands down or is it more committed less fical i dont know. What is without doubt is that you have more fans than us. Without question. Does that make you a bigger club. Potentially yes but there are more factors at play.

My comment isnt flippant, it's the truth. Happy for you to tell me what I said that was wrong mind.. Go for it.

Rv you may have a PM not sure why it went as pm it was for this thread.

I agree with the original post tbh but after all the rubbish often spouted on this site im suprised you havent put yourself in the super club category- "we should be going for rafa" "everywhere in wales supports cardiff except in swansea" " potential to be bigger than barcelona" ive seen it all over the years

I know it hurts Jack but the fact is despite years and years of abject missery as a football club we still got 30,000 for Division 2 Football and averaged over 32,000 for top level Football in our only season since god knows when in blue.

Can you imagine how big we would be if we were an established top league Club.

That hurts you doesn't it. Bless.

Im not here to leave flipment comments like yours anymore. Im just going to say it as it is. You have obviously based on population size got the bigger fan base, but there are so many metrics to define a big club, population size, history, most successful etc. If you compare attendances then its hard to compare us v u in premierleague as we sold out for everygame. If we had a bigger stadium ( i know we dont and you do) then who knows what we would have. If you compare attendance with fan base size then we are bigger hands down or is it more committed less fical i dont know. What is without doubt is that you have more fans than us. Without question. Does that make you a bigger club. Potentially yes but there are more factors at play.

My comment isnt flippant, it's the truth. Happy for you to tell me what I said that was wrong mind.. Go for it.

Well there is alot i disagree with it actually.

1. " it hurts doesnt it" - no it doesnt actually, it actually shows that you are extremely lacking support in your local and wider area. For your huge population area, you get just 30000. That is probably down to cardiffs lack of history and most people deciding to support top 4 teams. I personally would drather have 5000 diehards there than 30000 fairwater supports.

2. "32000 in our only season in top flight"- kind of backs up point 1. If you have only done something once or its your first time doing something. This tends to attract larger crowds. People flocked to see premier giants. If you had lasted more than one season your crowds would soon diminish when you start hovering in or above the relegation zone until a big game comes.

3. "Imagine how..." as soon as i hear that first word i switch off. Without something to back it up i cant take it seriously sorry.



Im trying to be fair here as i know you are a fairly big club

Seek help, end of thead

I agree with the original post tbh but after all the rubbish often spouted on this site im suprised you havent put yourself in the super club category- "we should be going for rafa" "everywhere in wales supports cardiff except in swansea" " potential to be bigger than barcelona" ive seen it all over the years

I know it hurts Jack but the fact is despite years and years of abject missery as a football club we still got 30,000 for Division 2 Football and averaged over 32,000 for top level Football in our only season since god knows when in blue.

Can you imagine how big we would be if we were an established top league Club.

That hurts you doesn't it. Bless.

Im not here to leave flipment comments like yours anymore. Im just going to say it as it is. You have obviously based on population size got the bigger fan base, but there are so many metrics to define a big club, population size, history, most successful etc. If you compare attendances then its hard to compare us v u in premierleague as we sold out for everygame. If we had a bigger stadium ( i know we dont and you do) then who knows what we would have. If you compare attendance with fan base size then we are bigger hands down or is it more committed less fical i dont know. What is without doubt is that you have more fans than us. Without question. Does that make you a bigger club. Potentially yes but there are more factors at play.

My comment isnt flippant, it's the truth. Happy for you to tell me what I said that was wrong mind.. Go for it.

Rv you may have a PM not sure why it went as pm it was for this thread.

I agree with the original post tbh but after all the rubbish often spouted on this site im suprised you havent put yourself in the super club category- "we should be going for rafa" "everywhere in wales supports cardiff except in swansea" " potential to be bigger than barcelona" ive seen it all over the years

I know it hurts Jack but the fact is despite years and years of abject missery as a football club we still got 30,000 for Division 2 Football and averaged over 32,000 for top level Football in our only season since god knows when in blue.

Can you imagine how big we would be if we were an established top league Club.

That hurts you doesn't it. Bless.

Im not here to leave flipment comments like yours anymore. Im just going to say it as it is. You have obviously based on population size got the bigger fan base, but there are so many metrics to define a big club, population size, history, most successful etc. If you compare attendances then its hard to compare us v u in premierleague as we sold out for everygame. If we had a bigger stadium ( i know we dont and you do) then who knows what we would have. If you compare attendance with fan base size then we are bigger hands down or is it more committed less fical i dont know. What is without doubt is that you have more fans than us. Without question. Does that make you a bigger club. Potentially yes but there are more factors at play.

My comment isnt flippant, it's the truth. Happy for you to tell me what I said that was wrong mind.. Go for it.

Well there is alot i disagree with it actually.

1. " it hurts doesnt it" - no it doesnt actually, it actually shows that you are extremely lacking support in your local and wider area. For your huge population area, you get just 30000. That is probably down to cardiffs lack of history and most people deciding to support top 4 teams. I personally would drather have 5000 diehards there than 30000 fairwater supports.

2. "32000 in our only season in top flight"- kind of backs up point 1. If you have only done something once or its your first time doing something. This tends to attract larger crowds. People flocked to see premier giants. If you had lasted more than one season your crowds would soon diminish when you start hovering in or above the relegation zone until a big game comes.

3. "Imagine how..." as soon as i hear that first word i switch off. Without something to back it up i cant take it seriously sorry.



Im trying to be fair here as i know you are a fairly big club

1 whats wrong with Fairwater.
2 the longer your in the top flight the more your crowd grows..check it out
3 why do you people bother...there was one on here ridiculing our crowd against Bristol ffs...and the last time you had a crowd that big was against Villa in 1970, and 12k were Villa fans.

Well if today’s announcement goes as to plan -NO

This forum looks to want to be off with the fairies again. It really is bizarre why everyone feels the need to try and convince each other of the opposite to reality. I guess that’s why everyone who adds a dose of reality gets hushed or banned as quickly as possible.

Cardiff City the football club is a club around the same size of Preston North End maybe? Comparisons to Middlesbrough are barking mad and just shows how deluded people get on here. I remember when people on here were claiming Cardiff was the same size as Everton too.

Everybody knows that next season attendances will be similar to the ones we get now, once the people that bought ST’s when you were in the PL don’t bother renewing. 16500-17500 average putting you are pubs mid table in home support. Last time round you were also in the bottom 4 for away support.

Last major trophy was almost 100 years ago that nobody alive was at an age to remember it... unless you have a 100 year old fan who was 8 at the time maybe?

Saying “if we won this that or the other” then we would be huge... aye, so would most. If we won the Champions league and challenged for the title we would get 40,000+ regular if we have the stadium to handle the demand. However saying it and actually achieving it are very different things. If Rushden and Diamonds won the EPL back to back 4 times in a row they would also average 35,000+ without question. Not sure what the point is?

There's how big you are and there's how big you could be. You're a big, important city; not as big as Leeds which is easily the biggest one club city in The UK but still big.
If Cardiff City had five or six seasons of continuous PL football you'd find out how big. You're far bigger than Blackburn, Bolton, Burnley or PNE. That's no criticism of those clubs, it's simply demographics and geography.
I remember battling you for promotion near the top of the second tier in the early seventies when Jimmy Scoular was your manager and you averaged 20,000 or so, good crowds for the time. You didn't go up then and you've barely been in the top-flight since. If you were in the top-flight you'd be expanding the ground in a few years. That isn't the case for most clubs.

God, this forum is amazing

Blackburn won the Premier League, runners up in the Premier League, won the old first division twice, the FA Cup six times, the league cup and had 18 Premier League seasons.

But aye, Cardiff are bigger. Of course. Two top flight seasons in living memory, relegated in both. A trophy 100 years ago and most seasons in the last 50 years attendances hovering around 8,000.

cardiff will never be a big club because the fan base is too small but I’d rather go down the CCS than go to Arsenal or Man City.

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“The worrying thing is it's not one or two nutters talking bollocks with the rest taking the piss.

It's pretty much f*cking all of them.

WTF is wrong with them?”

I've read that but I can remember over the last few seasons when they have changed the manager or he has left, and that's been a few times.
At the start of the season many on there were predicting relegation and there was infighting on the board. A bunch of turds if ever there was.

Some people mention clubs like Burnley, Preston, Blackburn , Bolton etc./ To be fair they all have better histories than us and more seasons in the top flight, PNE won the League in 1889, Burnley are more successful than us but have an old ground and smaller crowds, Same for Blackburn, although they won the PL about 25 years ago. Bolton are in freewill but we've play them in every division of the FL. We have abetter ground than all of them and bigger crowds, but surely history counts for something.

Same for clubs like Southampton, Norwich, Middlesbrough, even Coventry.

So I think, historically where we are is a mid to top end second tier team. The transformation of having a new ground, and and FA Cup Final, a League Cup Final, 2 promotions to the PL and 3 attempts at the Play Offs, all ion the last eleven years have made us a club to contend with. Especially with the financial support of VT.

Clubs like Bristol City I would say are less successful than us, one or two seasons in the 1st Division in the 70s. Swansea have always been smaller than us, success wise, support wise, ground wise. They were usually found in divisions lower than us, except for a spell in the 1930s, 3 years at the end of the 50s and from the 80s onwards. I think we have been above them 2/3 of their history , while they've got the edge on us for a 1/3 of the time, most of it since 2011. And they won a major trophy.

I think both clubs would be glad they are not where they are in the 1980s and 1990s now.

And then there's the clubs like, Bournemouth , Watford etc. Watford have been in the top flight for loads of seasons, same as Soon, Norwich etc.. I'd say we are about the 34th best team around!

This forum looks to want to be off with the fairies again. It really is bizarre why everyone feels the need to try and convince each other of the opposite to reality. I guess that’s why everyone who adds a dose of reality gets hushed or banned as quickly as possible.

Cardiff City the football club is a club around the same size of Preston North End maybe? Comparisons to Middlesbrough are barking mad and just shows how deluded people get on here. I remember when people on here were claiming Cardiff was the same size as Everton too.

Everybody knows that next season attendances will be similar to the ones we get now, once the people that bought ST’s when you were in the PL don’t bother renewing. 16500-17500 average putting you are pubs mid table in home support. Last time round you were also in the bottom 4 for away support.

Last major trophy was almost 100 years ago that nobody alive was at an age to remember it... unless you have a 100 year old fan who was 8 at the time maybe?

Saying “if we won this that or the other” then we would be huge... aye, so would most. If we won the Champions league and challenged for the title we would get 40,000+ regular if we have the stadium to handle the demand. However saying it and actually achieving it are very different things. If Rushden and Diamonds won the EPL back to back 4 times in a row they would also average 35,000+ without question. Not sure what the point is?

barking.
our prem crowds last year were bigger than boros last time they were there.
our average crowds over the last 10 years more than Boros over the same period.
our biggest ever crowd bigger than theirs
our biggest season average crowd bigger than theirs
our STs went on sale in March unlike yourselves ...who had a buy your hubby a ST for xmas promo..
so stop sucking lemons and start going to school

This forum looks to want to be off with the fairies again. It really is bizarre why everyone feels the need to try and convince each other of the opposite to reality. I guess that’s why everyone who adds a dose of reality gets hushed or banned as quickly as possible.

Cardiff City the football club is a club around the same size of Preston North End maybe? Comparisons to Middlesbrough are barking mad and just shows how deluded people get on here. I remember when people on here were claiming Cardiff was the same size as Everton too.

Everybody knows that next season attendances will be similar to the ones we get now, once the people that bought ST’s when you were in the PL don’t bother renewing. 16500-17500 average putting you are pubs mid table in home support. Last time round you were also in the bottom 4 for away support.

Last major trophy was almost 100 years ago that nobody alive was at an age to remember it... unless you have a 100 year old fan who was 8 at the time maybe?

Saying “if we won this that or the other” then we would be huge... aye, so would most. If we won the Champions league and challenged for the title we would get 40,000+ regular if we have the stadium to handle the demand. However saying it and actually achieving it are very different things. If Rushden and Diamonds won the EPL back to back 4 times in a row they would also average 35,000+ without question. Not sure what the point is?

barking.
our prem crowds last year were bigger than boros last time they were there.
our average crowds over the last 10 years more than Boros over the same period.
our biggest ever crowd bigger than theirs
our biggest season average crowd bigger than theirs
our STs went on sale in March unlike yourselves ...who had a buy your hubby a ST for xmas promo..
so stop sucking lemons and start going to school

You are just purely talking about minimal local attendance increases though. That’s not even close to how you measure a size of the club. Middlesbrough fans have seen 15 seasons of PL football, the novelty factor isn’t there. Comparing that to a fleeting appearance from you when your fans are clamouring to see Aguero for the first time is hardly a comparison. In your situation I have no doubt the longer you stay there the less your crowds would be - not the other way around. The evidence of that fanbase is clear and will show itself next season and am willing to bet with you if you wish that your attendance average won’t be above 18,000 slotting you around mid table in the Championship for home averages right by us.

Newcastle have pretty much always had bigger attendances than Liverpool in the last 30 years. Aston Villa have roughly the same attendances at Juventus. However if they played in a neutral venue in Europe or the rest of the world in a stadium with 100,000 capacity - both Liverpool and Juve would dwarf the attendance of the Newcastle or Villa game respectively.

Boro have only ever spent 2 seasons outside the top 2 tiers of football, around 60 at the top level, including 15 PL seasons, got to a European Final and won a major trophy in living memory.

Yet you are claiming you are a bigger club because of minuscule local attendance differences? In fact, I am pretty sure that after your PL ST’s are gone this season, they will have a bigger attendance than you anyway to add to that list.

This forum looks to want to be off with the fairies again. It really is bizarre why everyone feels the need to try and convince each other of the opposite to reality. I guess that’s why everyone who adds a dose of reality gets hushed or banned as quickly as possible.

Cardiff City the football club is a club around the same size of Preston North End maybe? Comparisons to Middlesbrough are barking mad and just shows how deluded people get on here. I remember when people on here were claiming Cardiff was the same size as Everton too.

Everybody knows that next season attendances will be similar to the ones we get now, once the people that bought ST’s when you were in the PL don’t bother renewing. 16500-17500 average putting you are pubs mid table in home support. Last time round you were also in the bottom 4 for away support.

Last major trophy was almost 100 years ago that nobody alive was at an age to remember it... unless you have a 100 year old fan who was 8 at the time maybe?

Saying “if we won this that or the other” then we would be huge... aye, so would most. If we won the Champions league and challenged for the title we would get 40,000+ regular if we have the stadium to handle the demand. However saying it and actually achieving it are very different things. If Rushden and Diamonds won the EPL back to back 4 times in a row they would also average 35,000+ without question. Not sure what the point is?

barking.
our prem crowds last year were bigger than boros last time they were there.
our average crowds over the last 10 years more than Boros over the same period.
our biggest ever crowd bigger than theirs
our biggest season average crowd bigger than theirs
our STs went on sale in March unlike yourselves ...who had a buy your hubby a ST for xmas promo..
so stop sucking lemons and start going to school

You are just purely talking about minimal local attendance increases though. That’s not even close to how you measure a size of the club. Middlesbrough fans have seen 15 seasons of PL football, the novelty factor isn’t there. Comparing that to a fleeting appearance from you when your fans are clamouring to see Aguero for the first time is hardly a comparison. In your situation I have no doubt the longer you stay there the less your crowds would be - not the other way around. The evidence of that fanbase is clear and will show itself next season and am willing to bet with you if you wish that your attendance average won’t be above 18,000 slotting you around mid table in the Championship for home averages right by us.

Newcastle have pretty much always had bigger attendances than Liverpool in the last 30 years. Aston Villa have roughly the same attendances at Juventus. However if they played in a neutral venue in Europe or the rest of the world in a stadium with 100,000 capacity - both Liverpool and Juve would dwarf the attendance of the Newcastle or Villa game respectively.

Boro have only ever spent 2 seasons outside the top 2 tiers of football, around 60 at the top level, including 15 PL seasons, got to a European Final and won a major trophy in living memory.

Yet you are claiming you are a bigger club because of minuscule local attendance differences? In fact, I am pretty sure that after your PL ST’s are gone this season, they will have a bigger attendance than you anyway to add to that list.

MINIMAL LOCAL ATTENDANCE INCREASE...

beat it dopey..there are chips on the pavement in Wine street , quick go get a few as spares.

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“The worrying thing is it's not one or two nutters talking bollocks with the rest taking the piss.

It's pretty much f*cking all of them.

WTF is wrong with them?”

I've read that but I can remember over the last few seasons when they have changed the manager or he has left, and that's been a few times.
At the start of the season many on there were predicting relegation and there was infighting on the board. A bunch of turds if ever there was.

Not sure what the point is you are trying to make there.

Some people have said you are looking at relegation now that Harris is about to be appointed. What’s the point you are making?

It’s not just the size of your City but the Catchment area. We may be a smaller City than Leeds, Liverpool,Newcastle etc but we have a much bigger catchment area over 1million with the Valleys,Newport,Port Talbot, Bridgend,Barry,Penarth and the Vale etc with no other major teams within 40 miles of Cardiff! If we were an established Premier League team we’d be looking at 40k crowds and if we were Top 6 it would be 60k.All we need is a Billionaire and a Top Manager to put us there!