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Re: MY VIEW SADLY THE JACKS WANTED IT MORE THAN US & DESERVE

Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:03 pm

aberdare-blue wrote:Swansea didn't do much to worry us, but had a game plan and executed it too a tee.
We were abysmal, put it down to tiredness after 4 on the bounce.
Possibly wrong formation in hindsight.

Swansea looked solid but never threatened us.
Gifted em first goal from a mistake and 2nd against 10 men, was never worried when they had possession.

Just shows how poor the championship is this season if they r flying high.


To be fair I dont think Swansea needed to come out of first gear today. We made it comfortable for them.

Re: MY VIEW SADLY THE JACKS WANTED IT MORE THAN US & DESERVE

Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:03 pm

bluebird58 wrote:I really hate to say this, but Swansea are the best opponents I’ve seen us play this season

They are a good passing team and always seem to collect the ball, even from a hacked away clearance. And once they get it they are comfortable on the ball, always have runners and options. They never panic and can even find their men in tight situations within the opponent's penalty area. We are none of this!!
Recently Warnock lamented the tactics he employed in last year's derby at the Liberty. He went with 442 thinking it was an attacking line up but we got outplayed. You would think that Harris would have seen the game and learned something from it. Apparently not!! We should never line up with 442 against the Jacks...it's football suicide.
I've been a supporter of Harris, based on what he did for us last season, but I have a feeling his days may be numbered, even after our mini revival.
I don't think Harris has much of an idea tactically and for the next games we'll be without Kieffer Moore by the look of it.
Losing derby games at home will always put managers under pressure and our league position is not brilliant. We need far more creativity in midfield whoever is in charge.

Re: MY VIEW SADLY THE JACKS WANTED IT MORE THAN US & DESERVE

Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:09 pm

Guys let's be honest, Swansea have been a better footballing side for the last 5 or so seasons. There's none of this hoofball that we've somehow adopted, it's skillfull purposeful football which is why their reign in the premiership lasted a lot longer than we managed. We need better players who can keep the ball on the ground, who can put more than 3 passes together without losing the ball and who have something more to offer than long throws and set pieces.

Re: MY VIEW SADLY THE JACKS WANTED IT MORE THAN US & DESERVE

Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:17 pm

The simple fact is they have been better than us all season and today just confirms that.

Re: MY VIEW SADLY THE JACKS WANTED IT MORE THAN US & DESERVE

Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:22 pm

moonboots wrote:
bluebird58 wrote:I really hate to say this, but Swansea are the best opponents I’ve seen us play this season

They are a good passing team and always seem to collect the ball, even from a hacked away clearance. And once they get it they are comfortable on the ball, always have runners and options. They never panic and can even find their men in tight situations within the opponent's penalty area. We are none of this!!
Recently Warnock lamented the tactics he employed in last year's derby at the Liberty. He went with 442 thinking it was an attacking line up but we got outplayed. You would think that Harris would have seen the game and learned something from it. Apparently not!! We should never line up with 442 against the Jacks...it's football suicide.
I've been a supporter of Harris, based on what he did for us last season, but I have a feeling his days may be numbered, even after our mini revival.
I don't think Harris has much of an idea tactically and for the next games we'll be without Kieffer Moore by the look of it.
Losing derby games at home will always put managers under pressure and our league position is not brilliant. We need far more creativity in midfield whoever is in charge.


Incredibly, other than for injuries/sending off, he didn't make any substitutions... Ralls was an accident waiting to happen all afternoon and it was no surprise he got sent off. That was on a par with the 3-0 down there a few seasons ago - shocking, just shocking.
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Re: MY VIEW SADLY THE JACKS WANTED IT MORE THAN US & DESERVE

Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:37 pm

This derby game came strangely enough at the wrong time,4 wins on the bounce with the same line up and then today understandably picks the same team.Every man and his dog knows the brutality of Championship football and tweak here and there should have happened before today.
Didn’t deserve it today but the ref bottled the big decision.

Re: MY VIEW SADLY THE JACKS WANTED IT MORE THAN US & DESERVE

Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:26 pm

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Re: MY VIEW SADLY THE JACKS WANTED IT MORE THAN US & DESERVE

Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:44 pm

The only passion these overpaid bastards have is posting holiday pictures or pictures of their plastic surgery enhanced wives on nstagram No passion at all for the badge, wankers the lot of them.

Re: MY VIEW SADLY THE JACKS WANTED IT MORE THAN US & DESERVE

Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:46 pm

Performance lacking. Harris reading the riot act. Not got it in him nor will the "players" listen.

Red face test in the mirror?

I bet they don't and worse don't care.

Re: MY VIEW SADLY THE JACKS WANTED IT MORE THAN US & DESERVE

Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:02 pm

JasonFowler1991 wrote:
aberdare-blue wrote:Swansea didn't do much to worry us, but had a game plan and executed it too a tee.
We were abysmal, put it down to tiredness after 4 on the bounce.
Possibly wrong formation in hindsight.

Swansea looked solid but never threatened us.
Gifted em first goal from a mistake and 2nd against 10 men, was never worried when they had possession.

Just shows how poor the championship is this season if they r flying high.


To be fair I dont think Swansea needed to come out of first gear today. We made it comfortable for them.



Not sure they ever get out 1st gear? Midweek no shots 2nd half previous game won with lucky deflected goal
and other games similar pattern you do what works for you and their way certainly works for them .... but it took the Coventry game to see passing game is not best suited to us.

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Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:20 pm

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Re: MY VIEW SADLY THE JACKS WANTED IT MORE THAN US & DESERVE

Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:09 pm

Nothing to do with 'wanting it more'. It's purely and simply down to footballing ability. One side has it, the other doesn't.

Re: MY VIEW SADLY THE JACKS WANTED IT MORE THAN US & DESERVE

Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:53 am

Blueblazer wrote:Guys let's be honest, Swansea have been a better footballing side for the last 5 or so seasons. There's none of this hoofball that we've somehow adopted, it's skillfull purposeful football which is why their reign in the premiership lasted a lot longer than we managed. We need better players who can keep the ball on the ground, who can put more than 3 passes together without losing the ball and who have something more to offer than long throws and set pieces.


The last 5 seasons? Surely it’s closer to 15?

5-6 years ago we were in Europe, 12 mins away from knocking out Napoli over 2 legs. Our total football style journey started the best part of a decade prior to that.

Re: MY VIEW SADLY THE JACKS WANTED IT MORE THAN US & DESERVE

Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:47 am

nojac wrote:The ref bottled the big decision in the first half, he sent Ralls off deservedly ,but it should have been two reds , different game then !!!


There were 31 fouls in the game 6 deserved a yellow card. Not every foul is a yellow card.

The referee gives a caution for a foul if he considers one of the following happens

Reckless or dangerous tackle
Prevents a possible advantage
Persistent misconduct usually 4 or 5 fouls by the same player.
Bennett's foul did not fit into any of the above categories so correct decision by the referee.

Bennet did not even trip his opponent, the referee played on and allowed a shot, then correctly brought it back for the foul.

Re: MY VIEW SADLY THE JACKS WANTED IT MORE THAN US & DESERVE

Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:57 am

Doctor wrote:
Blueblazer wrote:Guys let's be honest, Swansea have been a better footballing side for the last 5 or so seasons. There's none of this hoofball that we've somehow adopted, it's skillfull purposeful football which is why their reign in the premiership lasted a lot longer than we managed. We need better players who can keep the ball on the ground, who can put more than 3 passes together without losing the ball and who have something more to offer than long throws and set pieces.


The last 5 seasons? Surely it’s closer to 15?

5-6 years ago we were in Europe, 12 mins away from knocking out Napoli over 2 legs. Our total football style journey started the best part of a decade prior to that.



A few of my genuine Vetch era Swansea friends credit Flynn with the origins.

Its not something you do over a season

Re: MY VIEW SADLY THE JACKS WANTED IT MORE THAN US & DESERVE

Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:57 am

Felixstowe_jack wrote:
nojac wrote:The ref bottled the big decision in the first half, he sent Ralls off deservedly ,but it should have been two reds , different game then !!!


There were 31 fouls in the game 6 deserved a yellow card. Not every foul is a yellow card.

The referee gives a caution for a foul if he considers one of the following happens

Reckless or dangerous tackle
Prevents a possible advantage
Persistent misconduct usually 4 or 5 fouls by the same player.
Bennett's foul did not fit into any of the above categories so correct decision by the referee.

Bennet did not even trip his opponent, the referee played on and allowed a shot, then correctly brought it back for the foul.


Yeah I didn’t think it was a yellow either.

Surprised to read so many now saying it wasn’t important. Of course the derby means far more to Cardiff than Swansea, many fans only know success at our club, probably a generation or two of Cardiff and Swansea fans only know Swansea dominance. After the last 15 years they have something to prove. Which is why they get so disappointed and defeatist when they can’t get a result.

This was probably the most un-nervy derby game in decades, I even had to look what time kick off was on the day of. Where as looking at both Cardiff forums it seems they were filled with dread. I think that says it all.

Anyway, onto the double. Hopefully Morgan Gibbs White will be back who is probably our second best player behind Ayew. Not to mention Cabango.

Re: MY VIEW SADLY THE JACKS WANTED IT MORE THAN US & DESERVE

Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:14 pm

Doctor wrote:
Felixstowe_jack wrote:
nojac wrote:The ref bottled the big decision in the first half, he sent Ralls off deservedly ,but it should have been two reds , different game then !!!


There were 31 fouls in the game 6 deserved a yellow card. Not every foul is a yellow card.

The referee gives a caution for a foul if he considers one of the following happens

Reckless or dangerous tackle
Prevents a possible advantage
Persistent misconduct usually 4 or 5 fouls by the same player.
Bennett's foul did not fit into any of the above categories so correct decision by the referee.

Bennet did not even trip his opponent, the referee played on and allowed a shot, then correctly brought it back for the foul.


Yeah I didn’t think it was a yellow either.

Surprised to read so many now saying it wasn’t important. Of course the derby means far more to Cardiff than Swansea, many fans only know success at our club, probably a generation or two of Cardiff and Swansea fans only know Swansea dominance. After the last 15 years they have something to prove. Which is why they get so disappointed and defeatist when they can’t get a result.

This was probably the most un-nervy derby game in decades, I even had to look what time kick off was on the day of. Where as looking at both Cardiff forums it seems they were filled with dread. I think that says it all.

Anyway, onto the double. Hopefully Morgan Gibbs White will be back who is probably our second best player behind Ayew. Not to mention Cabango.

Such arrogance. Better fix your pitch or our hoofball will win the day.

Re: MY VIEW SADLY THE JACKS WANTED IT MORE THAN US & DESERVE

Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:27 pm

moonboots wrote:Such arrogance. Better fix your pitch or our hoofball will win the day.


It’s just the truth.

Yes the pitch needs sorting, but we have an excellent record on that too.