Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:03 am
Forever Blue wrote:I will state now Jan / February at the latest The Supreme Court will Officially announce that Sala is a Cardiff City player and Tan / Dalman have No case.
They asked for the announcement to be delayed till then.
Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:19 am
fred keenor wrote:Forever Blue wrote:I will state now Jan / February at the latest The Supreme Court will Officially announce that Sala is a Cardiff City player and Tan / Dalman have No case.
They asked for the announcement to be delayed till then.
So delaying the announcement so we can recruit players with money we dont have to pay Nantes but available for new players.
Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:31 am
Ninian1962 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Hmmm?
Who were the fans leaders?
Part of the meeting:
https://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopi ... 2&t=204226
Dalman says “we don’t have the money to pay Nantes Fc”
Yet Dalman aka Boris has repeatedly said in the last 3 yrs don’t worry the money has been put aside:
Dalman:
"I wish I had it in my power to lift it," he started, before going on:
Cardiff are concerned that "transfer embargo" has made the headlines and dominated the talk, but the club hierarchy and their respected lawyer Chris Nott, of Capital Law, explained to the supporters' leaders the reason why they are continuing to fight this matter. They remain adamant they are doing the right thing and say the fan leaders they spoke to were understanding of the stance.
This has been confirmed by fans leaders meeting with Dalman, Nott, chief executive Ken Choo and the club's finance chief.
https://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopi ... 2&t=204226
I don`t think anyone has ever said that the cash has been set aside (confirmed by the Finance Director at Saturday`s meeting). I think people are getting a bit confused between a provision in the accounts for accounting purposes in the balance sheet and actual cash. If the club loses its legal actions (which is quite possible) then the cash will have to be found from somewhere as it doesn`t exist as a club asset at present but there will be no need to make a further provision in the accounts for the costs
Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:50 am
JasonFowler1991 wrote:Ninian1962 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Hmmm?
Who were the fans leaders?
Part of the meeting:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=204226
Dalman says “we don’t have the money to pay Nantes Fc”
Yet Dalman aka Boris has repeatedly said in the last 3 yrs don’t worry the money has been put aside:
Dalman:
"I wish I had it in my power to lift it," he started, before going on:
Cardiff are concerned that "transfer embargo" has made the headlines and dominated the talk, but the club hierarchy and their respected lawyer Chris Nott, of Capital Law, explained to the supporters' leaders the reason why they are continuing to fight this matter. They remain adamant they are doing the right thing and say the fan leaders they spoke to were understanding of the stance.
This has been confirmed by fans leaders meeting with Dalman, Nott, chief executive Ken Choo and the club's finance chief.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=204226
I don`t think anyone has ever said that the cash has been set aside (confirmed by the Finance Director at Saturday`s meeting). I think people are getting a bit confused between a provision in the accounts for accounting purposes in the balance sheet and actual cash. If the club loses its legal actions (which is quite possible) then the cash will have to be found from somewhere as it doesn`t exist as a club asset at present but there will be no need to make a further provision in the accounts for the costs
I can't find the quotes, but I am also 100% certain he said the money was set aside, not just "accounted for". I will try to find them again.
Tue Dec 20, 2022 11:01 am
Tue Dec 20, 2022 11:11 am
1980s Bluebird wrote:Sadly they all overlook the human compassion side to this that a young player lost his life because of the same thing they are bitching about now...money!
He was ours just pay up ffs
Tue Dec 20, 2022 11:20 am
Tue Dec 20, 2022 11:25 am
Forever Blue wrote:What Dalman said to Keith Morgan and another few members, Vince Alm not not sure if attended.
Remember this is Dalman side:
Fans present were indeed generally supportive of the club`s stance in continuing with various legal matters which are complex and involve many matters, as follows:
The club is indeed currently under a transfer embargo imposed by the EFL following the loss of the appeal case to CAS announced in August this year which effectively brought into play the FIFA ruling against the club in September 2019 which imposed a three-transfer window transfer embargo unless and until the initial transfer fee installment of just over £5m is paid to Nantes. CCFC have reiterated that they have no current intention of paying that money until all ongoing matters are resolved. Mehmet Dalman expressed his opinion that the matter will be resolved in the near future but could not promise that this would occur before the end of the January 2023 transfer window.
Despite social media claims to the contrary, the Swiss Federal Tribunal (SFT) has not rejected a club claim to them to have the CAS decision reversed or otherwise amended. Preparations for a hearing, which is likely to take place in January or February 2023, are ongoing but the details have to be kept entirely confidential under SFT rules so no further information could be given to the meeting. The SFT will only consider an appeal of a CAS decision if it can be shown that there was a fundamental legal mistake, error or omission in reaching their decision. They cannot overturn the football decision that the Sala transfer was complete and that the transfer fee is payable but may rule that any payment is deferred until a successful counterclaim for financial loss arising from the sad demise of Emiliano Sala is settled.
An insurance industry Press article recently stated that CCFC is taking legal action against their insurance brokers (a large international organisation) for something that they failed to do when insuring Emiliano Sala at the time of his arrival at the club. Again, legal confidentiality prevented a great deal of detail on this but it would appear that the club`s regular policy of signing players and then insuring them shortly thereafter has not been queried beforehand by those brokers or insurers. For previous transfers, this ended up being irrelevant but in the Sala case his sad death occurred between what FIFA and CAS have ruled was the date of completion of his transfer and the relevant insurance being finalised. A claim could not be made against the insurers beforehand as the club remained adamant that the player`s transfer had not been completed and that there was therefore no “asset” to insure. The CAS ruling has changed that.
Other social media claims include one that the club has set aside the cash to pay the full Sala transfer fee and related costs. This was specifically denied by the Chair and clarified (as has been done before on social media by others) by Phillip Jenkins. Ever since the May 2019 accounts, a provision has been made in the club`s audited accounts for payment in full of the transfer fee. This has nothing to do with a cash reserve to pay it (which does not exist). If eventually, it has to be paid it is prudent to provide for it and ensure a continuing compliance with EFL Profitability and Sustainability Rules (the club remains compliant even after that provision). If it has to be paid than it will not have an adverse impact on the club`s compliance. If it doesn`t have to be paid then the club`s balance sheet position will improve by over £20m.”
Tue Dec 20, 2022 11:28 am
in reality most normal fans don't really care about behind the scenes of the club and just want to watch the games and go on the piss tbh , success brings fansRV Casual wrote:The more all this goes on the more the average fan is getting disillusioned and ‘moving away’ from the Club.
It’s time to get these idiots out of our Club. Dalman needs to be outed asap.
Tue Dec 20, 2022 11:55 am
Tue Dec 20, 2022 12:02 pm
Ninian1962 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:What Dalman said to Keith Morgan and another few members, Vince Alm not not sure if attended.
Remember this is Dalman side:
Fans present were indeed generally supportive of the club`s stance in continuing with various legal matters which are complex and involve many matters, as follows:
The club is indeed currently under a transfer embargo imposed by the EFL following the loss of the appeal case to CAS announced in August this year which effectively brought into play the FIFA ruling against the club in September 2019 which imposed a three-transfer window transfer embargo unless and until the initial transfer fee installment of just over £5m is paid to Nantes. CCFC have reiterated that they have no current intention of paying that money until all ongoing matters are resolved. Mehmet Dalman expressed his opinion that the matter will be resolved in the near future but could not promise that this would occur before the end of the January 2023 transfer window.
Despite social media claims to the contrary, the Swiss Federal Tribunal (SFT) has not rejected a club claim to them to have the CAS decision reversed or otherwise amended. Preparations for a hearing, which is likely to take place in January or February 2023, are ongoing but the details have to be kept entirely confidential under SFT rules so no further information could be given to the meeting. The SFT will only consider an appeal of a CAS decision if it can be shown that there was a fundamental legal mistake, error or omission in reaching their decision. They cannot overturn the football decision that the Sala transfer was complete and that the transfer fee is payable but may rule that any payment is deferred until a successful counterclaim for financial loss arising from the sad demise of Emiliano Sala is settled.
An insurance industry Press article recently stated that CCFC is taking legal action against their insurance brokers (a large international organisation) for something that they failed to do when insuring Emiliano Sala at the time of his arrival at the club. Again, legal confidentiality prevented a great deal of detail on this but it would appear that the club`s regular policy of signing players and then insuring them shortly thereafter has not been queried beforehand by those brokers or insurers. For previous transfers, this ended up being irrelevant but in the Sala case his sad death occurred between what FIFA and CAS have ruled was the date of completion of his transfer and the relevant insurance being finalised. A claim could not be made against the insurers beforehand as the club remained adamant that the player`s transfer had not been completed and that there was therefore no “asset” to insure. The CAS ruling has changed that.
Other social media claims include one that the club has set aside the cash to pay the full Sala transfer fee and related costs. This was specifically denied by the Chair and clarified (as has been done before on social media by others) by Phillip Jenkins. Ever since the May 2019 accounts, a provision has been made in the club`s audited accounts for payment in full of the transfer fee. This has nothing to do with a cash reserve to pay it (which does not exist). If eventually, it has to be paid it is prudent to provide for it and ensure a continuing compliance with EFL Profitability and Sustainability Rules (the club remains compliant even after that provision). If it has to be paid than it will not have an adverse impact on the club`s compliance. If it doesn`t have to be paid then the club`s balance sheet position will improve by over £20m.”
Vince Alm most certainly was present at Saturday`s meeting )it was hard to miss him in his bright blue Christmas jumper!). Indeed he spoke at the meeting, commenting on the club`s policy for insuring new player signings. I am sure that this will be made clear in the Supporters Club report on the meeting to its members.
Tue Dec 20, 2022 12:17 pm
Tue Dec 20, 2022 12:23 pm
Tue Dec 20, 2022 12:39 pm
Tue Dec 20, 2022 1:42 pm
Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:28 pm
bluebird04 wrote:you know that Dalman and Choo are telling Tan the fans are totally behind them 100%, we really do need to protest now, make it known we want them out. it will gain media attention and Tan will be fully aware of our anger
Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:39 pm
Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:42 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Ninian1962 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:What Dalman said to Keith Morgan and another few members, Vince Alm not not sure if attended.
Remember this is Dalman side:
Fans present were indeed generally supportive of the club`s stance in continuing with various legal matters which are complex and involve many matters, as follows:
The club is indeed currently under a transfer embargo imposed by the EFL following the loss of the appeal case to CAS announced in August this year which effectively brought into play the FIFA ruling against the club in September 2019 which imposed a three-transfer window transfer embargo unless and until the initial transfer fee installment of just over £5m is paid to Nantes. CCFC have reiterated that they have no current intention of paying that money until all ongoing matters are resolved. Mehmet Dalman expressed his opinion that the matter will be resolved in the near future but could not promise that this would occur before the end of the January 2023 transfer window.
Despite social media claims to the contrary, the Swiss Federal Tribunal (SFT) has not rejected a club claim to them to have the CAS decision reversed or otherwise amended. Preparations for a hearing, which is likely to take place in January or February 2023, are ongoing but the details have to be kept entirely confidential under SFT rules so no further information could be given to the meeting. The SFT will only consider an appeal of a CAS decision if it can be shown that there was a fundamental legal mistake, error or omission in reaching their decision. They cannot overturn the football decision that the Sala transfer was complete and that the transfer fee is payable but may rule that any payment is deferred until a successful counterclaim for financial loss arising from the sad demise of Emiliano Sala is settled.
An insurance industry Press article recently stated that CCFC is taking legal action against their insurance brokers (a large international organisation) for something that they failed to do when insuring Emiliano Sala at the time of his arrival at the club. Again, legal confidentiality prevented a great deal of detail on this but it would appear that the club`s regular policy of signing players and then insuring them shortly thereafter has not been queried beforehand by those brokers or insurers. For previous transfers, this ended up being irrelevant but in the Sala case his sad death occurred between what FIFA and CAS have ruled was the date of completion of his transfer and the relevant insurance being finalised. A claim could not be made against the insurers beforehand as the club remained adamant that the player`s transfer had not been completed and that there was therefore no “asset” to insure. The CAS ruling has changed that.
Other social media claims include one that the club has set aside the cash to pay the full Sala transfer fee and related costs. This was specifically denied by the Chair and clarified (as has been done before on social media by others) by Phillip Jenkins. Ever since the May 2019 accounts, a provision has been made in the club`s audited accounts for payment in full of the transfer fee. This has nothing to do with a cash reserve to pay it (which does not exist). If eventually, it has to be paid it is prudent to provide for it and ensure a continuing compliance with EFL Profitability and Sustainability Rules (the club remains compliant even after that provision). If it has to be paid than it will not have an adverse impact on the club`s compliance. If it doesn`t have to be paid then the club`s balance sheet position will improve by over £20m.”
Vince Alm most certainly was present at Saturday`s meeting )it was hard to miss him in his bright blue Christmas jumper!). Indeed he spoke at the meeting, commenting on the club`s policy for insuring new player signings. I am sure that this will be made clear in the Supporters Club report on the meeting to its members.
Keith,
Wow you’ve changed your mind on Dalman & Co, not long ago they never even showed you any respect and you said you had had enough of them and last summer you were having a drink with Sam, you need to make your mind up on who side you are on and trust.
Out of curiosity how many actually paid renewal membership for the trust this last year and how many actual current members?
Another question is our club in a mess on and of the field yes or no?
Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:52 pm
Ninian1962 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Ninian1962 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:What Dalman said to Keith Morgan and another few members, Vince Alm not not sure if attended.
Remember this is Dalman side:
Fans present were indeed generally supportive of the club`s stance in continuing with various legal matters which are complex and involve many matters, as follows:
The club is indeed currently under a transfer embargo imposed by the EFL following the loss of the appeal case to CAS announced in August this year which effectively brought into play the FIFA ruling against the club in September 2019 which imposed a three-transfer window transfer embargo unless and until the initial transfer fee installment of just over £5m is paid to Nantes. CCFC have reiterated that they have no current intention of paying that money until all ongoing matters are resolved. Mehmet Dalman expressed his opinion that the matter will be resolved in the near future but could not promise that this would occur before the end of the January 2023 transfer window.
Despite social media claims to the contrary, the Swiss Federal Tribunal (SFT) has not rejected a club claim to them to have the CAS decision reversed or otherwise amended. Preparations for a hearing, which is likely to take place in January or February 2023, are ongoing but the details have to be kept entirely confidential under SFT rules so no further information could be given to the meeting. The SFT will only consider an appeal of a CAS decision if it can be shown that there was a fundamental legal mistake, error or omission in reaching their decision. They cannot overturn the football decision that the Sala transfer was complete and that the transfer fee is payable but may rule that any payment is deferred until a successful counterclaim for financial loss arising from the sad demise of Emiliano Sala is settled.
An insurance industry Press article recently stated that CCFC is taking legal action against their insurance brokers (a large international organisation) for something that they failed to do when insuring Emiliano Sala at the time of his arrival at the club. Again, legal confidentiality prevented a great deal of detail on this but it would appear that the club`s regular policy of signing players and then insuring them shortly thereafter has not been queried beforehand by those brokers or insurers. For previous transfers, this ended up being irrelevant but in the Sala case his sad death occurred between what FIFA and CAS have ruled was the date of completion of his transfer and the relevant insurance being finalised. A claim could not be made against the insurers beforehand as the club remained adamant that the player`s transfer had not been completed and that there was therefore no “asset” to insure. The CAS ruling has changed that.
Other social media claims include one that the club has set aside the cash to pay the full Sala transfer fee and related costs. This was specifically denied by the Chair and clarified (as has been done before on social media by others) by Phillip Jenkins. Ever since the May 2019 accounts, a provision has been made in the club`s audited accounts for payment in full of the transfer fee. This has nothing to do with a cash reserve to pay it (which does not exist). If eventually, it has to be paid it is prudent to provide for it and ensure a continuing compliance with EFL Profitability and Sustainability Rules (the club remains compliant even after that provision). If it has to be paid than it will not have an adverse impact on the club`s compliance. If it doesn`t have to be paid then the club`s balance sheet position will improve by over £20m.”
Vince Alm most certainly was present at Saturday`s meeting )it was hard to miss him in his bright blue Christmas jumper!). Indeed he spoke at the meeting, commenting on the club`s policy for insuring new player signings. I am sure that this will be made clear in the Supporters Club report on the meeting to its members.
Keith,
Wow you’ve changed your mind on Dalman & Co, not long ago they never even showed you any respect and you said you had had enough of them and last summer you were having a drink with Sam, you need to make your mind up on who side you are on and trust.
Out of curiosity how many actually paid renewal membership for the trust this last year and how many actual current members?
Another question is our club in a mess on and of the field yes or no?
Why do you say i have changed my mind about Mehmet Dalman? For about a year until the last week he refused to speak to the Trust because we weren`t (in his view) co-operative like the Supporters Club .Myself in a personal capacity and the Trust board generally continue to question both him and Ken Choo when we feel they are doing the wrong thing.
If you read my post properly you will see that I reported (accurately) that "fans present were indeed generally supportive of the club". I was not the only fan present - the Supporters Club had several members of their committee there.
You are quite correct that i met Sam fairly recently for a drink and have also spoken to him on the phone on a number of occasions. I enjoy our conversations about football but it is not a question of "taking sides" so Sam and myself can agree to disagree on opinions without falling out. You , however, seem to think it has to be like a an infant school disagreement where there is a need to take sides - I outgrew that mentally very many years ago. As for trust, I trust no-one based on hearsay but would rather form my opinion based on researching the facts.
Out of interest why have you changed your initial claim about Vince Alm. You originally said that he was not at Saturday`s meeting. You have now changed that in this post thread to say "Vince Alm not not sure if attended". As I posted in response to your earlier post he definitely was there and spoke at the meeting.
Surely it is time to stop all this childish taking of sides and focus instead on what is best for the football club we all support.
I am happy to speak to both the current directors , now that they are willing to do so, but on the strict understanding that i will criticise them when appropriate and to Sam on the same basis. I wish I could say the same about the club owner but he would never speak to fans as he doesn`t consider them to be at all important and certainly not worthy of having an opinion or expressing it unless it agrees with his own.
I like to think I have been consistent with my approach on this. I used to argue (but never fell out) with Sam when he owned the club and certainly was and continue to be critical of Peter Ridsdale, How the hell someone who tried to hide a winding up petition from prospective new owners and investors, transferred £500k of shares into his company WH Sports Limited ahead of when he was entitled to and then was banned from being fit to be a director or involved in its management for 7 years because of his actions before that company was put into liquidation could then be acceptable as a board member of the EFL with access to confidential club information is beyond me. Were you aware that the liquidator had to take legal action against him to eventually recover £250k in diverted assets from him? Not a man I would trust at all.
Nearly forgot to answer your question about Trust membership numbers, I don`t have the exact numbers to hand as I am not the membership secretary and certain information is covered by data protection laws but the approximate number is 400 (fairly consistent with most membership numbers of clubs in the Championship) and I do recall a recent conversation with the membership secretary who said that the vast majority of members had renewed this calendar year.
Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:13 pm
Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:19 pm
Forever Blue wrote:FAO Keith Morgan,
To Keith Morgan : A Simple Question :
Was your statement 100% written by you ? Or did you pass it by the Club for ratification or approval or comment ….prior to you putting it out ?
Keith - the statement appears to have outside influence ….. I must say that you are doing yourself and your credibility a disfavor by appearing to be totally compliant .
Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:36 pm
Ninian1962 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:FAO Keith Morgan,
To Keith Morgan : A Simple Question :
Was your statement 100% written by you ? Or did you pass it by the Club for ratification or approval or comment ….prior to you putting it out ?
Keith - the statement appears to have outside influence ….. I must say that you are doing yourself and your credibility a disfavor by appearing to be totally compliant .
A simple answer to your simple question.
My report on the meeting was 100% written by me and has no outside influence whatsoever. It was not passed by the club for ratification, approval or comment because
a) both myself and the Trust in general are entirely independent of the club and in no way beholden to them so feel no need to get that ratification, approval or comment
b)both myself and the Trust will continue to give honest opinions based on a research of the facts whether that upsets the club or anyone else
Why do you think the report appears to have outside influence?. What or who has prompted you to claim that? It is a totally baseless claim which shows you have either failed to read posts properly or are determined to ignore reports which give a balanced view which differs from your own. Everyone who knows me well and/or reads and understands my posts knows that neither I nor the Trust are in any way "totally compliant".
On the point of posting things written by someone else , I would point out that you often post thread starters under you own name that, because of the words and style used, are clearly not done by you so a bit rich claiming that my post is not my own.
Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:38 pm
Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:41 pm
Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:45 pm
Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:07 pm
wez1927 wrote:in reality most normal fans don't really care about behind the scenes of the club and just want to watch the games and go on the piss tbh , success brings fansRV Casual wrote:The more all this goes on the more the average fan is getting disillusioned and ‘moving away’ from the Club.
It’s time to get these idiots out of our Club. Dalman needs to be outed asap.
Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:10 pm
Tue Dec 20, 2022 5:44 pm
Tue Dec 20, 2022 5:48 pm
JulesK wrote:Annis, MD has lied again but it looks like he has reached a stage like Boris did of thinking he can lie and there's no comeback and we know how that ended.
Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:02 pm