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Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CITY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD TO PAY £7MILL A

Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:31 pm

Whistler wrote:I am a little confused!

It was my understanding that EFL were mirroring the FIFA embargo, and it is confirmed by the EFL that they have now lifted it, however surely FIFA should be leading the way on lifting the embargo first following the the payment from City.

So are we now free to operate within this transfer window or not? :roll:
maybe they already have ? .

Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CITY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD TO PAY £7MILL A

Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:43 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Barclay1 wrote:This is indeed good news, but 1.7M on fees interest and fines??

It is shocking as that could have funded much needed team rebuilding.

Anyway, big question here is, once (if) embargo is lifted, will we actually now go put and sign the quality we need to stay in this division? If so, then its a huge boost.

If we remain a cost cutting team and rely on kids , what we have, and inadequate signings then not much has changed.

Over to you Mr Tan.....

You will be moaning about the amount of debt next ,what a whopper you are .you want tan to leave but you want him to pay everything I'm surprised you havnt blamed tan for the plane crash yet .



Wez,

Of course he is going to be moaning about the Debt, the debt is Tans responsibility.

95% of fans our fans want Tan out including Tan himself :lol:

Wez you are in the minority.


People wanting to keep Tan are certainly in the 5% minority on this board, of that there is no doubt. However, as for City fans in general your claim of 95% is wildly inaccurate and has no substance.

I think it’s more about 50/50. But I would accept that many, including me, would want Tan to sell up if there is a viable bidder that will satisfy Tan’s demands.



On FB , Twitter and in general.

Fb is far worse than this forum.

100% def not 50/50.

I actually only know Wez in person that wants to keep Tan.
I don’t know anyone else and I know thousands on Fb.


Tan made the debts and you and Wez use to say to it does not matter it’s his personal debt?
But it’s not is it.

And as I said to Wez I stand by this, it’s now about £30mill to Dalman and £20 mill to another person all at high interest.

The whole mess on and of the pitch is all down to one man at the Top you and Wez’s mate Tan.
There is NO doubt at all.

Look the first payment has already cost us nearly £2mill more, it’s beyond a joke.

I noticed you 2 and say 3 more try always to twist or divert from the main topics.

Tan tried to make out Sala was not our player and yet he always was.


You’re twisting what I have said about the Sala ownership issue.

What I have said is that the club is right to take this to the highest courts/tribunals. This has been required to establish ownership beyond doubt and to enable the upcoming legal actions to proceed on a much stronger footing.

I stand by that and, personally, I believe the only way we will end up paying the full fee if, as part if selling the club, Tan decides to just cut his losses for time issues.

As for you claiming Facebook backs up your claim on percentages: well of course it does !!!! You decide who can comment on your Facebook site just like I would do, therefore the likelihood is that the vast majority of people will be your friends or like minded people. I have no issue with that but you can’t really use that as a good barometer !!



But they knew from day one that Sala was our player and registered with us.


Wrong again,

I have 20,000 plus followers , plus 4 groups total 50,000, they all say what they want.

You actually really don’t know what you are talking about, a bit like our Hierarchy clueless beyond belief.


There was an arguable point about ownership which has now been decided. The point is that the club needed that official, final confirmation before taking the further cases against insurers, agents, etc.

As for me “not knowing what I’m talking about” I’ll let that one slide and treat it with the contempt it deserves.

I may disagree with you on many things but I don’t ever question whether you know what you’re talking about. A cheap shot on your part, you know d’!@m well I know what I’m talking about.

Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CITY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD TO PAY £7MILL A

Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:44 pm

Why do you keep twisting words Annis?

All this pay up crap is OK with other people's money so let's let the dust settle and see what's what, as for PFA, well if they say he isn't our player then where do they get their info.
Premier League = papers wrong.
FIFA = papers right.
CAS = papers right.
FAW = papers wrong
PFA = papers wrong.
Also Annis you pulled me up for swearing yesterday but in this thread you have someone calling Mr Tan a w..k.r so how is that fair or is it Mr Tan can be abused but others cannot please.

Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CITY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD TO PAY £7MILL A

Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:06 pm

JulesK wrote:Why do you keep twisting words Annis?

All this pay up crap is OK with other people's money so let's let the dust settle and see what's what, as for PFA, well if they say he isn't our player then where do they get their info.
Premier League = papers wrong.
FIFA = papers right.
CAS = papers right.
FAW = papers wrong
PFA = papers wrong.





Also Annis you pulled me up for swearing yesterday but in this thread you have someone calling Mr Tan a w..k.r so how is that fair or is it Mr Tan can be abused but others cannot please.

We should send that proof to the EFL, the FAW and the Premier league who all refuse to accept that we signed him due to the paper work being incomplete. Sala, being signed for us, according to the photo, died in service, so the Premier league MUST pay the family £ one million, they wont because he was not registered, the PFA can't help the family because he was not formally signed and could not train or play for Cardiff until the official paper work was completed. So the family get nothing other than the fund set up by Cardiff City to help them whilst this is being sorted. Tan will always be out of line with the fans in my eyes for the red shirts but despite the facts that poor E Sala was not COMPLETELY signed properly, which lets off the PL from paying the family, FIFA are saying he was signed enough of the paperwork that Cardiff can go into an embargo or pay the fee.No wonder Tan and his cronies are livid and tried everything to come to some sort of deal with Nantes...Apologies, I cannot edit it but will be happy to see ORIGINAL post deleted ..
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Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CITY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD TO PAY £7MILL A

Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:06 pm

JulesK wrote:Why do you keep twisting words Annis?

All this pay up crap is OK with other people's money so let's let the dust settle and see what's what, as for PFA, well if they say he isn't our player then where do they get their info.
Premier League = papers wrong.
FIFA = papers right.
CAS = papers right.
FAW = papers wrong
PFA = papers wrong.
Also Annis you pulled me up for swearing yesterday but in this thread you have someone calling Mr Tan a w..k.r so how is that fair or is it Mr Tan can be abused but others cannot please.



I try to stop swearing from some of our posters.

Jules,

You can twist everything you like.

Have we not been ordered to pay for Emiliano Sala, plus costs and interest?

Was Emiliano Sala a Cardiff City player?

Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CITY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD TO PAY £7MILL A

Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:44 pm

UPDATED WEDNESDAY 11TH JANUARY 2023 2pm :thumbright: :bluescarf: :bluebird: :ayatollah:



FIFA and EFL lift Cardiff City transfer embargo as Bluebirds now free to make signings this month after paying £7million, first instalment of money owing for Emiliano Sala which Nantes FC will receive.



Cardiff City have had their transfer embargo lifted


Cardiff have paid the first instalment of the £15million ( now £20 million with interest and court fees) transfer fee, which was initially £5.3million but has risen to around £7million due to interest.



FIFA and EFL have lifted the transfer embargo placed upon Cardiff City.


News emerged last night the Bluebirds have paid the first instalment of the transfer fee to Nantes for Emiliano Sala, which is in the region of £7million.

In August 2022, the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) rejected Cardiff's appeal over paying the initial money owed to the French club and the Bluebirds were placed under a three-window transfer embargo.


However, Cardiff have paid the first instalment of the £15million transfer fee, which was initially £5.3million but has risen to around £7million due to interest.
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Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CITY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD TO PAY £7MILL A

Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:58 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
JulesK wrote:Why do you keep twisting words Annis?

All this pay up crap is OK with other people's money so let's let the dust settle and see what's what, as for PFA, well if they say he isn't our player then where do they get their info.
Premier League = papers wrong.
FIFA = papers right.
CAS = papers right.
FAW = papers wrong
PFA = papers wrong.
Also Annis you pulled me up for swearing yesterday but in this thread you have someone calling Mr Tan a w..k.r so how is that fair or is it Mr Tan can be abused but others cannot please.



I try to stop swearing from some of our posters.

Jules,

You can twist everything you like.

Have we not been ordered to pay for Emiliano Sala, plus costs and interest?

Was Emiliano Sala a Cardiff City player?


Honestly Annis, I don't know.

But hopefully we can move away from the bottom with a couple of signings.

I have no need whatsoever to twist things either as I take stuff on here with a pinch of salt as mostly its exaggerated figures.

Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CITY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD TO PAY £7MILL A

Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:00 pm

Radyrman wrote:
JulesK wrote:Why do you keep twisting words Annis?

All this pay up crap is OK with other people's money so let's let the dust settle and see what's what, as for PFA, well if they say he isn't our player then where do they get their info.
Premier League = papers wrong.
FIFA = papers right.
CAS = papers right.
FAW = papers wrong
PFA = papers wrong.





Also Annis you pulled me up for swearing yesterday but in this thread you have someone calling Mr Tan a w..k.r so how is that fair or is it Mr Tan can be abused but others cannot please.

We should send that proof to the EFL, the FAW and the Premier league who all refuse to accept that we signed him due to the paper work being incomplete. Sala, being signed for us, according to the photo, died in service, so the Premier league MUST pay the family £ one million, they wont because he was not registered, the PFA can't help the family because he was not formally signed and could not train or play for Cardiff until the official paper work was completed. So the family get nothing other than the fund set up by Cardiff City to help them whilst this is being sorted. Tan will always be out of line with the fans in my eyes for the red shirts but despite the facts that poor E Sala was not COMPLETELY signed properly, which lets off the PL from paying the family, FIFA are saying he was signed enough of the paperwork that Cardiff can go into an embargo or pay the fee.No wonder Tan and his cronies are livid and tried everything to come to some sort of deal with Nantes...Apologies, I cannot edit it but will be happy to see ORIGINAL post deleted ..


Nice one lol.

Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CITY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD TO PAY £7MILL A

Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:06 pm

Forever Blue wrote:UPDATED WEDNESDAY 11TH JANUARY 2023 2pm :thumbright: :bluescarf: :bluebird: :ayatollah:



FIFA and EFL lift Cardiff City transfer embargo as Bluebirds now free to make signings this month after paying £7million, first instalment of money owing for Emiliano Sala which Nantes FC will receive.



Cardiff City have had their transfer embargo lifted


Cardiff have paid the first instalment of the £15million ( now £20 million with interest and court fees) transfer fee, which was initially £5.3million but has risen to around £7million due to interest.



FIFA and EFL have lifted the transfer embargo placed upon Cardiff City.


News emerged last night the Bluebirds have paid the first instalment of the transfer fee to Nantes for Emiliano Sala, which is in the region of £7million.

In August 2022, the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) rejected Cardiff's appeal over paying the initial money owed to the French club and the Bluebirds were placed under a three-window transfer embargo.


However, Cardiff have paid the first instalment of the £15million transfer fee, which was initially £5.3million but has risen to around £7million due to interest.

Nothing offical still tho .

Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CITY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD TO PAY £7MILL A

Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:14 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:UPDATED WEDNESDAY 11TH JANUARY 2023 2pm :thumbright: :bluescarf: :bluebird: :ayatollah:



FIFA and EFL lift Cardiff City transfer embargo as Bluebirds now free to make signings this month after paying £7million, first instalment of money owing for Emiliano Sala which Nantes FC will receive.



Cardiff City have had their transfer embargo lifted


Cardiff have paid the first instalment of the £15million ( now £20 million with interest and court fees) transfer fee, which was initially £5.3million but has risen to around £7million due to interest.



FIFA and EFL have lifted the transfer embargo placed upon Cardiff City.


News emerged last night the Bluebirds have paid the first instalment of the transfer fee to Nantes for Emiliano Sala, which is in the region of £7million.

In August 2022, the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) rejected Cardiff's appeal over paying the initial money owed to the French club and the Bluebirds were placed under a three-window transfer embargo.


However, Cardiff have paid the first instalment of the £15million transfer fee, which was initially £5.3million but has risen to around £7million due to interest.

Nothing offical still tho .



The club Wez as you know are always last and slowest due to NO CEO & Hardly any Staff :lol: :lol:

Even media are on it
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Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CITY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD TO PAY £7MILL A

Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:17 pm

JulesK wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
JulesK wrote:Why do you keep twisting words Annis?

All this pay up crap is OK with other people's money so let's let the dust settle and see what's what, as for PFA, well if they say he isn't our player then where do they get their info.
Premier League = papers wrong.
FIFA = papers right.
CAS = papers right.
FAW = papers wrong
PFA = papers wrong.
Also Annis you pulled me up for swearing yesterday but in this thread you have someone calling Mr Tan a w..k.r so how is that fair or is it Mr Tan can be abused but others cannot please.



I try to stop swearing from some of our posters.

Jules,

You can twist everything you like.

Have we not been ordered to pay for Emiliano Sala, plus costs and interest?

Was Emiliano Sala a Cardiff City player?


Honestly Annis, I don't know.

But hopefully we can move away from the bottom with a couple of signings.

I have no need whatsoever to twist things either as I take stuff on here with a pinch of salt as mostly its exaggerated figures.



As you sat on the fence regarding Sala question??

Show me my exaggerated figures please , that’s twisting things once again.

Personally I don’t know why you even post or look on this forum as All you ever do is slate this forum.

Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CAN NOW MAKE NEW SIGNINGS AFTER

Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:46 pm

:bluebird:
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Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CAN NOW MAKE NEW SIGNINGS AFTER

Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:13 pm

Forever Blue wrote::bluebird:

Great news.
Hopefully this’ll mean we can bring in a few quality players to move us up the table. Just like last year.

Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CAN NOW MAKE NEW SIGNINGS AFTER

Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:19 pm

bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote::bluebird:

Great news.
Hopefully this’ll mean we can bring in a few quality players to move us up the table. Just like last year.


:bluebird: :bluebird: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CAN NOW MAKE NEW SIGNINGS AFTER

Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:36 pm

Not a swipe at the club but a genuine question...

I assume we'll be looking at freebies and loans ONLY again?
If so not a massive pool to pick from

Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CAN NOW MAKE NEW SIGNINGS AFTER

Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:40 pm

Pantmawr Bluebird wrote:Not a swipe at the club but a genuine question...

I assume we'll be looking at freebies and loans ONLY again?
If so not a massive pool to pick from


It's a fair point but if we can get some loanees in of the same quality as Hugill and Drameh then we should have enough to stay up this year fairly comfortably.

Let's hope Hudson has a similar eye for a loan signing as Morison did last year.

Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CAN NOW MAKE NEW SIGNINGS AFTER

Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:41 pm

Pantmawr Bluebird wrote:Not a swipe at the club but a genuine question...

I assume we'll be looking at freebies and loans ONLY again?
If so not a massive pool to pick from

I’d imagine there’d be a few tidy loans available; the certainty was this time last year.

Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CAN NOW MAKE NEW SIGNINGS AFTER

Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:30 pm

How can what should be a positive thread end up with people moaning. Opened to read and get the same old crap as usual.
Think what ever you like about tan, but this news is really positive and makes a huge difference to our season

Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CAN NOW MAKE NEW SIGNINGS AFTER

Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:55 pm

Well said. Feel exactly the same.
Empty vessels.

Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CAN NOW MAKE NEW SIGNINGS AFTER

Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:34 pm

Warwickshire Bluebird wrote:Well said. Feel exactly the same.
Empty vessels.
:thumbup:

Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CITY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD TO PAY £7MILL A

Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:22 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
JulesK wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
JulesK wrote:Why do you keep twisting words Annis?

All this pay up crap is OK with other people's money so let's let the dust settle and see what's what, as for PFA, well if they say he isn't our player then where do they get their info.
Premier League = papers wrong.
FIFA = papers right.
CAS = papers right.
FAW = papers wrong
PFA = papers wrong.
Also Annis you pulled me up for swearing yesterday but in this thread you have someone calling Mr Tan a w..k.r so how is that fair or is it Mr Tan can be abused but others cannot please.



I try to stop swearing from some of our posters.

Jules,

You can twist everything you like.

Have we not been ordered to pay for Emiliano Sala, plus costs and interest?

Was Emiliano Sala a Cardiff City player?


Honestly Annis, I don't know.

But hopefully we can move away from the bottom with a couple of signings.

I have no need whatsoever to twist things either as I take stuff on here with a pinch of salt as mostly its exaggerated figures.



As you sat on the fence regarding Sala question??

Show me my exaggerated figures please , that’s twisting things once again.

Personally I don’t know why you even post or look on this forum as All you ever do is slate this forum.


1. Honestly I do not know, FIFA say yes,FAW say no, PFA say no, so HONESTLY I DO NOT KNOW.

2.Where have I said YOUR figures? I was making a comment on the vastly different sums being thrown around , £20m, £11m, £7m, £15.

3. You say I always slate your forum,and being negative but out of your response you seem to have missed out the bit where I said.
"But hopefully we can move away from the bottom with a few signings"

Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CAN NOW MAKE NEW SIGNINGS AFTER

Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:46 am

Pantmawr Bluebird wrote:Not a swipe at the club but a genuine question...

I assume we'll be looking at freebies and loans ONLY again?
If so not a massive pool to pick from


Unless you add on a bonus if we stay up :?:

Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CAN NOW MAKE NEW SIGNINGS AFTER

Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:41 am

Cardiff City are finally able to trade in the January transfer window after FIFA and the EFL lifted embargoes which put a total ban on the club's ability to register new players.

The EFL assert the club were notified of the embargo more than 30 days, Cardiff are able to register new players but are unable to pay fees for them for the next three windows.
But that will suit this Regime.



Cardiff will be operating within this transfer window by bringing in only free transfers and loans.


Cardiff this week paid Nantes FC the first instalment of the fee for Argentine striker Emiliano Sala, believed to be worth £7m including interest, after they had been hit with a three-window transfer ban.

The payment to Nantes meant FIFA lifted their embargo. However, the EFL's embargo is slightly more complex.


Essentially, for want of a better phrase, there are two parts to the EFL embargo. The first is fairly straightforward and falls in line with FIFA's stipulations: If a transfer fee is not paid then a club cannot register any new players.




Of course, just like the FIFA ban, the criteria for that has been satisfied with the aforementioned payment to Nantes this week.


The second part of this embargo, though, is important for how Cardiff are able to go about their business.

The EFL rule that if an embargo has been in place for more than 30 days then the club are prohibited from paying a fee for a player for three windows.

As we understand it, the EFL assert the club were notified of the embargo more than 30 days before paying the £7m to Nantes this week and therefore this particular part of the ban has not yet been lifted. Talks, however, are going on behind the scenes in a bid to find a solution.

What it essentially means for the time being is that Cardiff are able to register new players but are unable to pay fees for them for the next three windows.



This second part of this transfer ban was implemented to stop rogue clubs overpaying with no intention of forking out full fees for players. However, it is perfectly fair to say, the legislation was not designed to accommodate such a complicated case as the Cardiff-Nantes dispute over Sala. That remains unique in world football.

While the EFL have confirmed to us that Cardiff are no longer under an embargo, they do not comment on the specifics of each club's case.

But we have learned that Cardiff will be operating within this transfer window by bringing in only free transfers and loans. While some might be concerned that loans may be difficult due to Cardiff being unable to pay a loan fee, it is understood that, post-Covid and with Premier League sides more sympathetic to Championship clubs' financial struggles, that is not as prohibitive as it once might have been. Top-flight sides are more concerned with getting good league experience for their players as opposed to the paltry fee they might receive for their services.

The loan market is a difficult one to trade within and there are a lot of moving parts. The domino effect of a Premier League club buying a player only for them to send another out on loan plays its part in these mid-season windows.

That being said, the Bluebirds are hopeful of bringing in two or three players, largely to bolster their forward line. Attacking midfield, striker and winger are all options being considered, with the club having had targets lined up for when the embargoes were lifted.
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Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CITY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD TO PAY £7MILL A

Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:23 pm

Whistler wrote:I am a little confused!

It was my understanding that EFL were mirroring the FIFA embargo, and it is confirmed by the EFL that they have now lifted it, however surely FIFA should be leading the way on lifting the embargo first following the the payment from City.

So are we now free to operate within this transfer window or not? :roll:


I’m as confused.

Can we now “pay” for players?
Thinking about it. Did we have to pay a break fee to get McGuinness back? Was that the hold up?

Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CITY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD TO PAY £7MILL A

Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:40 pm

Simplesimon wrote:
Whistler wrote:I am a little confused!

It was my understanding that EFL were mirroring the FIFA embargo, and it is confirmed by the EFL that they have now lifted it, however surely FIFA should be leading the way on lifting the embargo first following the the payment from City.

So are we now free to operate within this transfer window or not? :roll:


I’m as confused.

Can we now “pay” for players?
Thinking about it. Did we have to pay a break fee to get McGuinness back? Was that the hold up?





We can only bring loan players in or players that their are no fees involved.

Re: BREAKING: CARDIFF CITY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD TO PAY £7MILL A

Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:52 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Simplesimon wrote:
Whistler wrote:I am a little confused!

It was my understanding that EFL were mirroring the FIFA embargo, and it is confirmed by the EFL that they have now lifted it, however surely FIFA should be leading the way on lifting the embargo first following the the payment from City.

So are we now free to operate within this transfer window or not? :roll:


I’m as confused.

Can we now “pay” for players?
Thinking about it. Did we have to pay a break fee to get McGuinness back? Was that the hold up?


Ok. Thanks for that. :thumbright:




We can only bring loan players in or players that their are no fees involved.