Opinions: So have the police lied again?

Imho it isn’t clear they were pursuing. On account they can’t pursue in vans. They have specialist drivers and vehicles for pursuits. Plus they didn’t have their lights on.

They may have been following them. But following and in pursuit aren’t the same. Also the van was half a mile away when the collision happened.

It will all be investigated. It’s tragic that 2 young men have lost their lives. But it doesn’t automatically hold that the police caused it.

2 guys driving an illegal motorcycle is bound to attract attention. They would have been criticised if they HADNT investigated.

1) they don’t need lights or sirens to be in a pursuit (Roads Traffic Police as per Traffic Cops 2023)

2) it was an battery powered electric pedal cycle not a motorcycle

3) CCTV videos show the van less than 3 seconds behind them 900m from the crash site NOT 1/2 mile away as the police stated

4) they were 15 and 16 year old KIDS….

It was confirmed they were half a mile away at the exact time of collision...

Such a tragedy no matter what and our thoughts should now be with the families of all concerned...

The latest vid showed police 30 secs behind and turning off so not sure what to think. Seen videos on other platforms of a crowd and police very close to after the accident and there seemed to be trouble brewing

The latest vid showed police 30 secs behind and turning off so not sure what to think. Seen videos on other platforms of a crowd and police very close to after the accident and there seemed to be trouble brewing

I just watched it on Twitter.

The latest vid showed police 30 secs behind and turning off so not sure what to think. Seen videos on other platforms of a crowd and police very close to after the accident and there seemed to be trouble brewing

It has been mooted the CCTV had been (ahem) coveniently altered by some media but that is still to be confirmed or disproved

I don’t necessarily think the police are in the wrong for the tragedy, but it was incredibly stupid of them to definitively immediately state “no pursuit”, with seemingly no checks to see if there was any video footage of them.

Subsequent footage shows that there probably wasn’t a pursuit, but the immediately released footage of the police van behind the bikes (appears to have been a coincidence?) coming out straight after the statement has, possibly understandably, portrayed the police as liars in many (misunderstanding) people’s eyes which is where the violence and riots have come from.

I just can’t believe that the guy making the statement could be so stupid as to make a definitive statement without having any explanation prepared for/ knowledge of coincidental video footage.

If I was his boss I’d be getting rid of him immediately.

Imho it isn’t clear they were pursuing. On account they can’t pursue in vans. They have specialist drivers and vehicles for pursuits. Plus they didn’t have their lights on.

They may have been following them. But following and in pursuit aren’t the same. Also the van was half a mile away when the collision happened.

It will all be investigated. It’s tragic that 2 young men have lost their lives. But it doesn’t automatically hold that the police caused it.

2 guys driving an illegal motorcycle is bound to attract attention. They would have been criticised if they HADNT investigated.

1) they don’t need lights or sirens to be in a pursuit (Roads Traffic Police as per Traffic Cops 2023)

2) it was an battery powered electric pedal cycle not a motorcycle

3) CCTV videos show the van less than 3 seconds behind them 900m from the crash site NOT 1/2 mile away as the police stated

4) they were 15 and 16 year old KIDS….

Snoopy according to every police officer I know - to be in pursuit they need their lights on.

The sky news clip has a very different slant on the “chase” compared to the bbc.

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1661 ... OUfLWh3O-A

And it was a suron electric motorbike not a pedal cycle. I’ve got 2 electric bicycles and both are capped at 15mph assistance.

The latest vid showed police 30 secs behind and turning off so not sure what to think. Seen videos on other platforms of a crowd and police very close to after the accident and there seemed to be trouble brewing

It has been mooted the CCTV had been (ahem) coveniently altered by some media but that is still to be confirmed or disproved

You can see it’s been sped up because the time is on tbr top corner. It’s blatant.

Imho it isn’t clear they were pursuing. On account they can’t pursue in vans. They have specialist drivers and vehicles for pursuits. Plus they didn’t have their lights on.

They may have been following them. But following and in pursuit aren’t the same. Also the van was half a mile away when the collision happened.

It will all be investigated. It’s tragic that 2 young men have lost their lives. But it doesn’t automatically hold that the police caused it.

2 guys driving an illegal motorcycle is bound to attract attention. They would have been criticised if they HADNT investigated.

1) they don’t need lights or sirens to be in a pursuit (Roads Traffic Police as per Traffic Cops 2023)

2) it was an battery powered electric pedal cycle not a motorcycle

3) CCTV videos show the van less than 3 seconds behind them 900m from the crash site NOT 1/2 mile away as the police stated

4) they were 15 and 16 year old KIDS….

Your point 3 makes no sense You are saying that the Police were 900m away which is more than 1/2 a mile
Also you say that even thou they were 900m away they were only 3 seconds behind That equates to traveling over 500 miles an hour

Imho it isn’t clear they were pursuing. On account they can’t pursue in vans. They have specialist drivers and vehicles for pursuits. Plus they didn’t have their lights on.

They may have been following them. But following and in pursuit aren’t the same. Also the van was half a mile away when the collision happened.

It will all be investigated. It’s tragic that 2 young men have lost their lives. But it doesn’t automatically hold that the police caused it.

2 guys driving an illegal motorcycle is bound to attract attention. They would have been criticised if they HADNT investigated.

1) they don’t need lights or sirens to be in a pursuit (Roads Traffic Police as per Traffic Cops 2023)

2) it was an battery powered electric pedal cycle not a motorcycle

3) CCTV videos show the van less than 3 seconds behind them 900m from the crash site NOT 1/2 mile away as the police stated

4) they were 15 and 16 year old KIDS….

Your point 3 makes no sense You are saying that the Police were 900m away which is more than 1/2 a mile
Also you say that even thou they were 900m away they were only 3 seconds behind That equates to traveling over 500 miles an hour

You beat me to it was gonna say the same thing. But hey let’s not let facts get in the way when trying to stir it up.

Imho it isn’t clear they were pursuing. On account they can’t pursue in vans. They have specialist drivers and vehicles for pursuits. Plus they didn’t have their lights on.

They may have been following them. But following and in pursuit aren’t the same. Also the van was half a mile away when the collision happened.

It will all be investigated. It’s tragic that 2 young men have lost their lives. But it doesn’t automatically hold that the police caused it.

2 guys driving an illegal motorcycle is bound to attract attention. They would have been criticised if they HADNT investigated.

1) they don’t need lights or sirens to be in a pursuit (Roads Traffic Police as per Traffic Cops 2023)

2) it was an battery powered electric pedal cycle not a motorcycle

3) CCTV videos show the van less than 3 seconds behind them 900m from the crash site NOT 1/2 mile away as the police stated

4) they were 15 and 16 year old KIDS….

Your point 3 makes no sense You are saying that the Police were 900m away which is more than 1/2 a mile
Also you say that even thou they were 900m away they were only 3 seconds behind That equates to traveling over 500 miles an hour

You beat me to it was gonna say the same thing. But hey let’s not let facts get in the way when trying to stir it up.

I keep saying there's a lot more to come out on this incident and some people will need to answer for their parts in the whole thing (after events included)

Update on investigation into events prior to the deaths of two teenagers in Ely

Published
26 May 2023

The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) investigation into police interaction with two teenagers prior to their deaths in Ely, is progressing.

We began an investigation earlier this week (Wednesday) after we received a referral from South Wales Police, due to CCTV footage showing a marked police van driving behind the boys’ electric bike, in a nearby street, shortly before the collision on 22 May.

So far, we have conducted extensive house-to-house enquiries on streets in Ely and have been gathering information from local residents and CCTV footage. We are reviewing initial accounts from the police officers involved. We have contacted the families of Kyrees Sullivan and Harvey Evans, who sadly lost their lives in the incident.

We are investigating:

the nature of the police interaction with the two boys prior to the collision and the appropriateness of the police officers’ decisions and actions
whether at any time the decisions and actions of the officers in the police vehicle constituted a pursuit
whether the interaction between the police officers and the boys was reported appropriately by the officers prior to and following the collision
and whether the actions and decisions of South Wales Police over the interaction were in line with legislation, local and national policies and procedures.


IOPC Director David Ford: “Our thoughts and sympathies remain with the family and friends of Kyrees and Harvey, as well as all those affected by the loss of two young lives in such a close-knit community as Ely. Our investigators have been conducting enquiries and securing evidence in the immediate vicinity of where the events took place, speaking to local residents, distributing leaflets and gathering as much relevant information as possible. I am truly grateful for the co-operation and assistance we have received from people within the local community. We would welcome anyone we haven’t yet spoken to yet, who believes they have footage or witnessed anything relevant between 5.35 pm and 6.10 pm on Monday, to come forward to us.

“We are working hard to establish the exact circumstances of what took place in the period leading up to the collision. I would like to reassure everyone in the community that our work will be thorough, impartial, and independent of the police.”

Anyone with information or footage can call the IOPC on our incident line number: 0300 3030771 or email: SnowdenRoad@policeconduct.gov.uk(link sends e-mail).


https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/news/update-investigation-events-prior-deaths-two-teenagers-ely